Upside, Downside, Most likely - Dolphins Defense
This is the second part of the best case/ worst case/probably look at the 2010 Miami Dolphins. As I mentioned in the first part, rather than discuss the merit of these individual changes, or the perceived failure to address certain apparent areas of need, we are looking at the bigger picture. Where is each overall unit at today? What do these units look like heading into the season if everything goes right? And what are the biggest risks if things don’t go as planned? For this post, we will focus on the Defense as a whole.
The effectiveness of a unit depends as much, and maybe even more so, upon how the different parts work together, as the individual ability of the parts. And this is especially true on the Defensive side of the ball. For instance, on Offense, you can have a great QB/WR combo that will move the ball and score points despite deficiencies in other areas, like RB. For an example of this, look no further than most of the Marino years. And on Offense, you only need to be successful in moving the ball into field goal range, or hitting one big play to be considered "successful".
The Defense, on the other hand, needs to be almost perfect in order to be considered successful. It only takes a handful of broken plays or missed assignments in order to lose a game. Just look to the Colts game or the Saints game last season. In both games, the Offense played very well – making long, sustained drives to keep the other teams’ Offenses off the field. But in each case, only a few plays given up by the Defense resulted in a loss. And often times, the failure of a Defense to stop a play can be the result of just one or two weak links.
For that reason, it is much easier to see the potential Downside of the 2010 Miami D, than to predict the Upside. It only takes a couple of things to go wrong; a key injury, or a draft pick or second year player not developing as expected, and the unit could struggle; but to be successful, we will need 5 or 6 new players to step up.
The Miami Defensive Line uses a 3 man front as a base. The reality is that you can’t fairly evaluate the performance of a 3 man front, in a 3-4 base package, without considering the LBs. Rarely does a 3 man front get pressure on the passer without help. The help does not have to come in the form of an extra pass rusher or two… it can actually come from perfect pass coverage from the LBs and DBs. On obvious passing downs, it is not too unusual to see the D rush three and keep everyone else back, and eventually have one of the DEs or the NT get to the QB. But most often, we are looking at the LBs being part of the pass rush, and integral in stopping the opposing run game.
As for the DBs, we will talk about a base 4 man secondary. They have to be able to stand on their own in limiting opposing receivers to little or no gain. But their overall effectiveness is directly tied to the effectiveness of the pass rush, and to the predictability of the opposing offense by being put into obvious passing situations.
Upside
You can’t talk about Upside, without first talking about Mike Nolan. I like the potential talent upgrades we have made to the defensive personnel, but in my opinion, the single biggest upgrade made to the Miami Dolphins 2010 defense over 2009 is the addition of this man.
When I look at the players from last season, I see the deficiencies we had in positions like Free Safety. But when I look at games lost, most of the time, I believe it boiled down to play calling. Paul Pasqualoni pulled when he should have pushed; zigged when he should have zagged. When playing from a lead - a time which the Defense should have pinned their ears back and made it a priority to keep the opposing passer out of rhythm - our Defense would almost go into a Prevent. Hey, if I am the Defense trying to stop Peyton Manning or Drew Brees, and I have them back on their heels, the last thing I want to do is give them time to get their feet back under them! I think that Nolan’s more aggressive Defense might have turned those loses into wins last season, and I fully expect him to make the best use of the considerable talent we have at several positions on Defense this season.
With everyone discussing Mike Nolan’s hybrid defense, there are many different looks that we can show, but for the sake of a base package, let’s talk about a standard 3-4. In this case, the Defensive starting lineup would probably look something like this (hat tip to Kdog92, I am just going with his assumptions on this one):
DL - (DE) Jared Odrick, (NT) Randy Starks, (DE) Kendall Langford
LB - (OLB) Cameron Wake, (ILB) Channing Crowder, (ILB) Karlos Dansby, (OLB) Koa Misi
DB - (CB) Sean Smith, (SS) Yeremiah Bell, (CB) Vontae Davis, (FS) Chris Clemons
We are talking about upside, but I want to try to keep it real. Of the rookies, only Odrick and Misi could likely be expected to start, barring injuries. And with this lineup, we still have new starters at 6 positions. That is over HALF of the Defense! And of those 6 positions, only Starks was a starter for the Fins last year at a different position. The remaining 5 spots boast 2 rookies, and 2 second year men in Wake and Clemons who saw limited action last season.
This lineup is far from written in stone.
There are ALL kinds of different ways this could go: You could have Tim Dobbins come in and win the starting spot next to Dansby; you could have another rookie in Reshad Jones come in and light up camp and start at FS; you could have the coaches decide that Odrick needs to be eased in to the role, and start Marques Douglas instead… and so on and so on…. In fact, the only truly established positions are Starks at NT, Langford at one DE spot, and Dansby at ILB.
"WHAT??? HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT BELL ISN’T A LOCK? OR SMITH? OR DAVIS?"
I am glad you asked. THIS question is at the heart of this season’s upside on defense!
And the ANSWER is – Competition.
We KNOW how good Bell, and Smith, and Davis can be… and while Bell is consistently solid, the expectations for Smith and Davis are for a big improvement over their rookie seasons last year.
So let me ask YOU a couple of questions:
How much better would Will Allen have to be to come in and snatch his starting position back?
And would that be a bad thing, to have him playing so well that he sends Smith or Davis to the nickel spot?
Same with Bell. Reshad Jones is projected by many to be a "Troy Polamalu" type of ball hawking, "knock you into next week" Strong Safety. We know what we have in Bell. How good would Jones have to be to beat out Bell?
Same if Dobbins, or even (long shot to start) A.J. Edds, beats out Crowder.
And there are still Quentin Moses, Charlie Anderson, Erik Walden, and (long shot) Chris McCoy looking to compete at OLB.
So upside-wise, with just the talent in the projected starting lineup above, and Mr. Mike Nolan calling the plays, we could easily make the kind of jump in Defensive effectiveness that Denver saw last season. But with the competitive talent at so many positions; with just a few guys who step up and take positions away from projected starters because they are just that doggone good, the Dolphins have the potential to be a top team in terms of sacks and takeaways this season. How exciting would that be for us Fin Fans to watch on Sundays? I am almost getting more pumped up about the improvement on Defense than on Offense this year!
Downside
But when you swing for the fences, you run the risk of striking out, and there is significant risk associated with the Dolphins Front Office plan this year. These are some of the things that could go wrong:
- Letting Joey Porter and Jason Taylor go could prove to be a mistake. I was glad to see Porter go, but it still seems like a negligent decision to let Taylor go before knowing whether or not one of the young guys would step up. I would have signed Taylor and let him be in the competitive mix during training camp. Right now we hope that between Wake, Misi, and maybe Anderson or Moses, someone can replace the outside QB pressure that came from JP and JT.
- Right now, the most irreplaceable guys on that side of the ball are Starks and Dansby. An injury to either would severely limit the effectiveness of the entire Defense. Everything is being built around these two guys.
- Randy Starks doesn’t work at NT. The risk is not just that Starks will be inadequate at NT; it is also that by moving him we degrade the DE position. If Starks has trouble holding down the middle, or Odrick doesn’t develop fast enough, we will get less inside pressure on the pocket than last year, and end up with either a 4-3 front, or having to commit a LB on just about every play. Another option in this case would be to move Randy back to DE, and put Paul Soliai back at NT.
- Our young CBs run into a sophomore slump. We are counting on Smith and Davis to take a step forward, because they were good for rookies last year, but NOT quite good enough to be a starting CB tandem in the AFC East this season, without improvement.
- No one outright claims the FS position. Since we do not actually have a known starter to provide a benchmark to beat, we could end up with a bunch of guys trying to learn the position, and going with Tyrone Culver as the "safest" Safety choice. This would not really scare opposing QBs away from the deep ball.
- And, as has been pointed out by others, without adequate talent, D.C. Mike Nolan will have to resort to ever more elaborate "schemes". This can be effective early in the season when all things are new to all teams, but can become less effective as the season progresses and teams have seen most of the tricks.
So what is the most likely scenario?
In spite of the worst case scenarios, the downside is fairly limited by the depth of options and the fact that Mike Nolan can tailor the D to the best available players. With the return of Will Allen, I think you can count on our CBs being solid, with the worst of the top three going to nickel. The FS position is a concern, but Culver is serviceable as long as he plays deep and doesn’t let anyone get behind him. I would guess Clemons will get the job if all things are even, just because they want to try to develop him.
Crowder and Dansby will play most of the season at ILB. Dobbins will get some reps. Edds will only play in garbage time, or if Crowder and/or Dobbins get injured.
Both OLB spots are in question, but I think Wake will be okay. I don’t think he will be the Pro Bowl talent that everyone is hoping for, but even if last season was as good as he gets, that is pretty good. We will just need to rotate guys at both OLB positions, and I think Nolan can do that effectively between Wake, Misi, Moses, Anderson, and maybe Walden or McCoy.
Starks will excel at NT. He has the talent, and I have been expecting to see him play there since he came over from Tennessee. I think he will be above average and solid at least. And Nolan will also probably give Soliai some opportunity to improve.
The D-Line is solid, even without Odrick. Just starting Langford, Starks, and Douglas in a 3 man front does not look bad. And you have Soliai, Ryan Baker, Lionel Dotson, and Tony McDaniel who can rotate in at either DT or DE.
Odrick will play. A lot! He may not begin the season as a starter, but he can be expected to play both DE and DT during the season.
Bottom line
Barring catastrophic injury, this Defense will be very good, and could end up being top 5. Nolan is the main reason, because the Dolphins actually have quite a bit of talent, and Nolan will rotate schemes to make the best use of that talent.
Whether he uses 2 NTs side by side as the down linemen and 5 LBs, or 4 DEs and 3 LBs, the Dolphins have adequate "position flexibility" in their players to pull it off.
The DBs will improve greatly! Yes, greatly! Nolan’s pressure schemes and random blitzers will create more opportunity for turnovers. A healthy Will Allen, and a 2nd year for Smith and Davis will help cover up any potential weakness at FS. I actually, think Chris Clemons will end up with the job and play well.
I bet Mike Nolan is just licking his chops, waiting for the chance to take this Defense out for a spin in Training Camp, open’r up, and see what she’ll do!
P.S. - If you haven't read it, i suggest you take a look at vaneasy2338's article below for a great look at some of the key pieces to the puzzle this season:
Pieces to the Puzzle: 3-4 hybrid and Mike Nolan's 2-4-5
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"Top 5 defense"
If this happens, we’re talking about Super Bowl baby! I hope it happens. Go Fins!!
by PhinFanatic on Jul 25, 2010 7:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
hehe.... me 2 man!
It is optimistic, but it is not crazy. ;^)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i think this may be our goal but is not too likely
we have alot of young guys and unless Nolan comes in and does wonders I expect we will have a middle of the pack defense. I expect our offense to be DOMINANT however and put points on the board, the reason we will alot more games then people may seem to think.
Laces out!
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Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
Sean Smith/Vontae Davis= Pat Surtain/Sam Madison
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
just keep in mind, if you are correct about the offense
that will make our defense better by keeping them out of bad situations.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely lefty
the colts were last in rushing last year and had a subpar defense and will still be one of the best teams in NFL history. Just shows u what an elite passing offense can do. I think Henne to Marshall will be the best connection in football very very soon
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
Sean Smith/Vontae Davis= Pat Surtain/Sam Madison
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
i was thinking along the lines that when we would get in games, our D would become predictable by playing against the run
and all of a sudden, the opposing offense gets to dictate the flow of the game.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
our offense was almost good enough last year in games
Now with B Marshall, I think exactly what you said in the pull when we should push, zig when we zag is dead on, P.Pasq play calling was the worse part not just a miscoverage, (they were rookies), and a blown tackle or two.
yup
as much as i screamed at Gerbil during games, the fact is that better play calling could have helped keep him out of bad positions (some of the time anyway).
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Left....you are certainly nothing if not...
optimistic in this piece.
I wish I shared your positive outlook for the defense. Mind you, I’m not down on the unit, but I’m not on the view that they are likely to be a top 5 unit. I just don’t see the talent level being quite at that very high standard (aka top 5).
But more importantly, it doesn’t need to be a top 5 unit for this team to go a long way. We’ve seen how in recent years, super bowl winning teams and contenders have oftentimes fielded solid, not spectacular, defenses with great success.
If it can be an average, middle of the road and opportunistic unit….which I feel confident they can be…then we’ll be poised for a great deal of success in conjunction with a talented offense.
by Natalya on Jul 25, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
yep, like i said, in order for things to go very right this season
we will need 5 or 6 new guys to step up. That is a tall order.
But Denver was ranked around #7 last season for most of the year when Nolan was allowed to call the shots (i don’t recall where they ended up), and I think our overall talent level is better than Denver’s last year.
I agree it doesn’t have to be great in order to win. We have had that discussion before, but that isn’t really the point of my post.
Like i said, bottom line is that, barring injury, Nolan has the talent base in these guys to put together a very good defense this year. But there is certainly a lot of risk, as i pointed out.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh...
yes you did point that out.
FWIW< Denver finished 7th in yards/game & 12th in ppg/allowed.
I think that would be an ambitious, but achievable, goal for our D next year.
Oh and hi Lefty. Chapeau for some good posts this week as the “man in charge” while the cat was away.
lol
thanks nat =)
and yeah, i would be happy finishing where denver finished last season, but i really do think we have the talent to do better (IF the line shakes out, and IF the 2nd yr CBs take the next step, and IF the OLB spots resolve into a couple of obvious starters….. )
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be nice if we had the Raiders and KC for 4 of our games, lol, just sayin.
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by uncle finster on Jul 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
when did you turn into such a negative nancy?
i seem to remember you being a more optimistic individual….. ;^)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
that's my fault I ran over his dog, stole his promotion, made out with his fiancee and took over his high score on Mrs. Pacman at the arcade
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
you beat his high score????!!!
you dog!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to consider myself a realist.
;^J
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by uncle finster on Jul 25, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
we do pessimists always say that?
;^)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You would make a bad cashier,
because you don’t make cent’s sense.
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by uncle finster on Jul 26, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yep exactly what i was saying Nat
our offense will do work next year though. just stay healthy boys!
Laces out!
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i don't think top 10 is optimistic at all.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The truth is, it is.
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by uncle finster on Jul 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
in your opinion
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Realistically top ten is asking a lot from unproven players.
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by uncle finster on Jul 25, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said!
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by uncle finster on Jul 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
... are you still mad the Dolphins didn't take the Michigan D-lineman?
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The defense does indeed have alot of potential
but you can’t hide the fact that we’re most likely going to have more than a third of the defense (Misi, Odrick, Smith, Clemons, Davis, Wake) with less then 2 years of NFL playing experience starting, which really worries me.
NO WORRY EXCEPT FOR OLB DEPTH
LCFF, I too know our defense will make strides after last year and I agree that letting Taylor go hurt us badly. Last season, TE’s hurt us in half of our losses, but the FO went out and got Dansby and Misi to remedy that problem, two very good LB’s that are exceptional in pass coverage. With that problem being solved, our cb’s and safties job became simpler and makes them more effective in stopping the deep plays. Our pressure on the qb will be relentless this year also, thanks to Nolan and WAke=dumervil 2009. By the way LCFF, you have made the phinsider on point in Matty’s absence, great job.
THE 70,S ARE FINALLY BACK. WELCOME TO THE FINS NEW SB ERA, 2010-
thanks man
i also see the OLB spot as the biggest question mark, in terms of impact to the D.
If the pass rush is sufficient, the FS spot will be less of a concern. And i know a lot of folks are worried about NT, but i am really confident in Starks. i have watched the guy for years and have no doubt he will be better than average, at least. If a couple of guys step up at OLB, and Odrick can grab and hold the starting spot at DE, i think we can play Clemons or even Culver if needed, at FS and be okay.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
cant forget about the other LB we drafted
AJ Edds was a great cover backer in his days with 7 ints thats pretty good for a college backer
I agree with Natalya...
She is totally right – we don’t have the talent to be a top 5 defense. This defense should be better under Nolan for sure, and I reallly hope we get the “upside” regarding player developments. I am glad to see they picked up a replacement for Merling – but we should still look around for a decent VET at NT/DE/OLB/S just in case we can sign someone cheap. Too bad we didnt TRADE Merling like I wanted last year – before he screwed us.
I think this team will need to play a LOT of 4-3 which will prove to be a better fit for this group of players.
I also predict that EDDS will see a lot of playing time and be successful – Dobbins as well – and Crowder – will lose playing time… wouldnt be surprised to see him traded even – if EDDS and Dobbins look great in preseason.
LCFF – thanks for the good POSTS – you’ve carried the ball well !
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DRAFT a #1 WR now.........
Heh....Left sure has picked up the slack with aplomb.
Heck he’s done much like Ricky Williams did last year after Ronnie’s injury.
are you saying i'm old?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
... does the shoe fit?
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are you saying i have big feet?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe she's saying...
…you have been poised and confident in your interim role! Here’s hoping Chad Henne is aplomb all year long =)
OOOooohhh.... okay, thanks
you never can tell around here. =)
and i also hope that Chad Henne throws bombs all year long!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 26, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
"poised and confident" .. lmao
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I agree with Lou62
i think we’ll use the 4 man DL more because its a better fit for us, and also the Lefty has carried the ball very well in the backup role!
"I likem me some UDFAs"
i think Nolan will do what he has always done.
mix it up, disguise his fronts, and utilize the existing talent. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Nolan is the key this year
mixing it up for the entire year will be a tough task.
"I likem me some UDFAs"
5TH!!!!
5th? I love the dolphins to death but i just dont see it happeng. And i really love the dolphins. I live in New England and just spent 400 dollars on 2 tickets for the pats game. Im in the third deck(most expensive tickets in football). But back to the dolphins. I just dont think we halve the talent to be top 5. Maby top 16. I do think we will win the division as i hope or CB’s can get a few more picks and if we stop the run and force them to pass. I thin our offence will pull us through this season and our defence will keep us from falling off. But i dont think our D has what it takes to win the afc east without some comeback wins from our offence. Lets be realistic as much as i hate them we still play the jets and pats twice a year.
fair enough, but i keep hearing this thing about "lack of talent"
I think people might be focusing too much on the new guys.
the consensus has been pretty solid regarding the talent of Davis and Smith at CB – they are projected to be a top tandem barring injury. And Will Allen has been one of the better cover corners in the league, with the biggest knock on him being not enough INTs.
Crowder is a toss up, but Dansby is very good. Crowder next to Dansby should be solid, and if one of the new guys like Dobbins takes Crowder’s spot, so much the better.
And Starks is very good. He could have been a Pro Bowler last year based on his performance. He definitely has talent! And this season, whether they keep him at NT, or they decide to put Soliai back at NT and Randy back at DE, you can count on him to contribute.
And Bell made the Pro Bowl last season at SS.
And this is just the proven talent, without even looking at Odrick or Misi or Wake…
I can see how it might not come together this season because of all the new pieces, but i am not buying the “lack of talent” argument.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, forgot Langford.
He has improved two years straight and was pretty solid last year. He will at least be solid this year, and maybe better.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It's important to note Soliai
injured his ankle in the first quarter as a starter (within the first few snaps). So we never saw what he could really do because a 1 legged NT isn’t any good. However, he needs to show up to TC at his playing weight.
Also JT left because he wanted to play WOLB. We didn’t let him go.
Good stuff LCFF
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
this would be great news
the FO saw something in the kid, hopefully he finally shows up.
"I likem me some UDFAs"
Nickel CB
Will Allen will be the likely CB, but if he and Davis somehow win the job, I wouldn’t put my money on Sean Smith being our nickel CB. We’d probably see Tyrone Culver playing there instead, as he has been playing there some during OTAs.
maybe. but as a second year, talented player, they won't leave him on the bench.
and i doubt they will move him to safety unless they intend to leave him there.
Smith his better on the outside, because of his inexperience. i doubt they will move him.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I am very excited for Will Allen to be our nickel
he is just so suited for the position. He has good speed, great football IQ and tough on the line of scrimmage. I am hoping he can shine enough to be considered the best nickel corner in the game
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Culver was our best coverage safety in a system that frequently left him out to dry with Bell's coverage deficiencies
I think he’d do fine at the position. He just doesnt have much upside
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
right. and he doesn't have great range (read as "speed")
but if the CBs are good, so you put him deep, he should be fine.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Culver's Upside
I think Culver does have pretty good upside if Miami did use him at nickel CB in the formation. As a nickel CB, the majority of the position relies on limiting mental mistakes, playing physical, and also being able to blitz. Generally speaking, your nickel CBs don’t have to be burners. Culver is a smart player and we didn’t see him out of position on the field much at all last year. He doesn’t have the physical upside as some of our other players, but he’s smart and is a tough player.
but in a nutshell, people tend to omit culver when looking at our DB options
and when you throw him in the mix, the unit has a lot of flexibility.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
i have alot of confidence in Culver. he’d be even better if he had a good coverage safety playing next to him so he’d only have to worry about half the field
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You need nickel corners to have lateral quickness and good agility
Culver doesnt really have that. The Welker’s of the league would eat him alive
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Pruitt #2, top 5 D??? is this Lefty's homer "period" :>D
If you were a superhero you would be Opimistico, lol, seriously, there has been as much change as to resemble a regime change, the future is very cloudy, and if we weren’t a little off balance to start the season I’d be surprised.
I just don’t see how anyone can have an idea of what we are going to look like on D, I hope beyond hope that Ivey or Soliai steps up and takes the NT spot so Starks can go where he’s best, and then we can have a better idea, but we must be patient.
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Were going to be good against the run and the intermediate passing game but will still give up the big pass play
that’s my assumption
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
and you would be the arch-villain "Nega-Tivo"! =)
i never said that I expected Pruitt to be #2. why you wanna misrepresent things like that?
I agree that it is easier to see all of the things that could go wrong, than what could go right. one of the first things i acknowledged. but try writing a post outlining the positives on D and see where you end up. yep, a lot of things could end up not working out, and i addressed those also.
you wanna call me a homer, fine. but you are simply being a schleprock by ignoring all of the upside that we have.

I said “could be a top 5”. They could be. I didn’t say “would” be. You can’t prove that is wrong anymore than I can state it as a fact. they could also end up at 22 again. All it would take is Starks and Dansby to get injured to really throw things into disarray. But barring that, what i said was that I expect this Defense to be very good this year with Nolan at the helm.
Being a naysayer it easy. Go ahead finster… try and take a swag at what the upside would look like if everything that could work out, does work out.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think I'd like to be rained on by a brown cloud
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 25, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
get'em
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It's easy to say all these "ifs" will work out,
but it usually doesn’t work that way, the more “ifs” the less likely you’ll be successful, that’s just the way it is, and we have a lot of “ifs”.
A lot of young unproven players isn’t the way you build a good team for today, it’s how you develop a team, and several of these players are guys who have not stepped up in a few NFL seasons, Moses, Anderson, Culver, McDaniel, Dobbins, we may have seen all there is, just decent back ups.
The rest are 2nd year players and rookies, I’m just trying to keep a realistic perspective.
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by uncle finster on Jul 25, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough, but what about:
starks, langford, dansby, bell (pro bowl last year), davis, smith and allen? that is over half the D with very good to pro bowl caliber talent. Only Smith and Allen are second year players.
And do you really expect a first round D-linemen to not come in an contribute right away? 1st rounders are practically considered busts if they don’t step right in and play at a high level. and Odrick was considered the best at his position in the draft, hands down.
that’s 7 out of 11 starters who are just flat out good players. and that doesn’t even take into account guys like Crowder and Wake, who can probably be counted on to be serviceable at worst. i mean, playing next to Dansby should help them both out.
That leaves Clemons and Misi, who are both question marks, but there are also more guys in the mix at each position who have a chance to raise the talent level.
The guys you named ARE decent backups unless they elevate their game and win a starting job from the incumbents this year. And you could do a lot worse than decent backups if you DID have to plug one of them in somewhere.
So I ask you, do you think a top 10 D needs a pro bowl player at every position? Or is there a can a bunch of good players with a few pro bowl talents create a top 10 defense?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
this
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Your not Lefty.
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by uncle finster on Jul 26, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Finster
I’m not so sure a lot of young unproven players isn’t the way you build a good team or at least a good defense.It’s a young man’s game now, and to be a great defense you can give up a few big plays as long as you create turnovers and sacks (see Saints last year). As good as offenses are becoming in the NFL the only way to stop some of these offenses is a turnover/sack/penatly (some type of negative play). I am willing to give up some experienced play if some of these younger faster and maybe even a bit more reckless players can create these negative plays, its ok.
by vaneasy2338 on Jul 25, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Saints started out last season with a bunch of unproven young guys on D?
Flush out your headgear, lol.
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by uncle finster on Jul 26, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe if you read my comment
even a little bit , you would have understood that I used the Saints as an example of good defense that gave up a lot of yards, but also created numerous turnovers. Nothing about the Saints being young last year was even mentioned. I stated that I feel our younger, faster, more althetic players will be able to create more turnovers and sacks, but at the same time we may concede a lot of yards due to their inexperience. Simple enough?
by vaneasy2338 on Jul 26, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My point, which is what you were replying to by the way,
is that we have a lot of young unproven guys, what you think they are going to do means nothing, simple enough.
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by uncle finster on Jul 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well since I can't do anything
about the defense, I should just quit coming to this bog and never comment. I don’t care if what I say has no effect on the defense this season. I’m still going to argue with anyone to the bitter end about this team. That’s what being a fan. I truly have a lot of confidence in the defense this season, and I am going to give you reasons as to why. I didn’t expect you to agree with them, but I expect you to respect them at least.
by vaneasy2338 on Jul 26, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yo, you came to me bro,
and you brought the tude, check yo self.
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by uncle finster on Jul 27, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Finster the difference is
is I Respect your opinion, I just don’t agree with it. You said that my opinion is irrelevent, I happen to find that a little disrespectful.
I like these kind of writings...
… they show me my personality… as a Pessimists or Optimists.
Sometimes it depends on my mood, but I like to see myself as an optimist, the glass-half-full, look for the positive kind of guy. And I dislike the hard realities. Most of these things make me foolish, stupid, an idiot, but that’s for another type of experession board.
I like what you did (and in the other) because it is the reality of the unknown or lesser possibilities or vacant positions that would make for an unhappy fan. I like to look for all the good, the greater possibilites and I’m a fan of rookies.
Like you said, individuals have to play at their utmost skill and ability. The rest will fall into place. Nolan is the organizer and planner. And that is where there are no questions. I feel he will lead them well and kick more ass than we all believe.
Good job. Rec’d
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let’s be real…. and conclude that a superbowl is the goal this season. enough with the maturing and gelling. let’s go out there and book our trip to dallas in february.
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see ya there bud! ;^)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
nice article by the way
kI for one am in the pitts whenever we lose and have to take part in hobbies such as Potm might get involved in just to soothe the frustration. I would love nothing more than a superbowl for our guys. I wouldnt have bought the 4 game flex pack if I didn’t think this season would be magical. Our neighbors in the north speak daily of there super bowl aspirations, and it just makes me sick listening to there garbage. I can assure u even though we beat them twice they still have no respect for us. We need to show the afc east we are for real, and shock and awe the rest of the nfl. As for me and I hope the rest of u, a superbowl is the only thing that will fill my appetite.
by ricenbeans82 on Jul 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for the shoutout Lefty.
It means a lot. And for those of you whom think we don’t have the possibility for a top five defense, I think you’re overlooking some things. One, we have an offense that can sustain long drives and keep our defense fresh. Two, we have one of the best 3-4 defensive games in the mind, Mike Nolan. Three, we have a lot of young players who have a chance to be special ( Wake, Odrick, Misi, Davis, Smith). I’m not saying all these players are gonna be pro bowl players, but I wouldn’t bet against at least two of these players doing it sometime in the near future. Fourth we add vetern leaders such as Allen and Dansby. That’s a lot of improvement and potential if you ask me.
by vaneasy2338 on Jul 25, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well said!
rec’d!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the biggest things that'll help the D is the offense getting ahead early and often.
Make the other team one dimensional has helped a lot of teams, ie the Colts, win with average defense.
by christiandolfan on Jul 25, 2010 10:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Jets fan here
I know, not very popular in this area, but I wanted to throw in my two cents to your argument. Going into last year, I was pretty excited about getting a D minded coach in Rex Ryan, but didn’t think we had the talent to be that successful (I think the Jets were ranked like 19th in the Favre season). I didn’t take into account how much a coach’s schemes contribute to improvement. Guys like Revis, Harris, Pace, and the new additions of Leonhard and Scott along with other ancillary players still did not add up to a top 10 defense in my humble opinion, especially in only in year one. For them to rank #1 overall and guys like Harris and Revis to take quantum leaps in terms of ability had to be a direct result of coaching schemes. My biggest fear of the Dolphins this year has nothing to do with Dansby (who I thought heading into free agency was vastly overrated) or any of the guys the Phins drafted/acquired through FA, but has to do with Nolan orchestrating the whole thing. Who the hell ever heard of Dumervil before last year? Don’t underestimate the power of a good defensive coach. Two examples in each direction are how good the Jets became on defense with Rex as the coach and then how bad the Giants defense became when they lost Spagnulo.
Am I saying that the Dolphins will DEFINATELY take a huge step forward on defense? No, because it’s impossible to predict with 100% certainty. But I definitely wouldn’t be stunned if Nolan made them much better (i.e. top 10 or even top 5 D). Hell, after seeing the Jets D in 08, I’d have never thought they’d be ranked #1 the following year.
by Crimetime Island on Jul 25, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I respect and appreciate this alot... rec'd
You are on to something there. Before Sparano, the Dolphins were 1-15. So yeah, coaches do make the biggest difference.
Thanks for the outsiders and decent view….
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by texascowpunk on Jul 25, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
no worries guys
I obviously do not like the Dolphins and think/hope the Jets are the better team this year. But, I like to be honest (at least honestly as I see them) about my team and others. I think Nolan is the type of coach that can really revamp a defense though and wanted to give a somewhat objective opinion on that to at least reassure the more pessimistic Fins fans here. Trust me, no Jets fans thought we’d have the #1 D this year. Nolan definitely COULD turn that team defense around and you guys should not sell short the potential for that.
Whether it actually happens is why the games are played
by Crimetime Island on Jul 26, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
nicely said
crimetime. I don’t any of dophin fans think the jets would have the #1 ranked defense either. Just giving you a hard time. I think the thing that make the NFL so great is that the talent level is so even that the coaching chess match that goes between opposing teams is so crucial. Us having Mike Nolan gives us an upper hand schematicly (sp?) over so many offensive coordinators.
by vaneasy2338 on Jul 26, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
defensive scheming
in this new pass happy NFL is absolutely crucial. i am positive it would have made the difference in at least one or two dolphin games last year. some of you may not like this, but i do really mean it as a compliment- I think the Dolphins this year are eerily similar to the Jets of last year with an upgrade at QB. you have an old QB in Pennington moved out for a young gun in Henne. a solid group of RBs. a strong O Line. upgrades at WR (granted Braylon didn’t come until week 4 of last year, it still happened early). a new defensive scheme with upgraded position players for it. both teams also have solid GMs in Tannenbaum and Parcells. the key difference between the ‘10 Dolphins and the ’09 Jets is the Fins have the more seasoned QB. the only reason that I think (not just hope) the Jets have the advantage right now is experience in this type of D. you guys probably did not watch many Jets games last year (outside of our two with you), but they lost many games on not being fully comfortable with the D yet. there were missed assignments late in games that led to game winning TDs twice for opponents (Atl and Jax are the two most glaring examples as two missed assignments at the end of games, when players are exhausted and must rely mostly on instinctual play, literally ended the game). i think in terms of D, despite being #1 on D last year the Jets weren’t truly dominating on defense because of this lack of experience in the system. i bet the Dolphins will be much improved on D, but I think you guys will really see the benefits the following year when the players get experience in a fluid system. i think this fluidity will be a big difference in the Jets vs. Dolphins rivalry this year. if the Dolphins can make up that difference on offense (which they very well could if Sanchez doesn’t take the next step), that will neutralize the advantage.
by Crimetime Island on Jul 26, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Whether it actually happens is why the games are played
Eggs Zactly
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 26, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec # 3
well said sir.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 26, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
Thanks for coming in and not showing your ass like other jets do. Lol I knew there are at least a few good apples in that fan-base.
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by christiandolfan on Jul 25, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
Not so
Edds will only play in garbage time,
Sparano said that Edds will get alore more playing time than that
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yeah, but one thing i have learned about Sparano is that he is ultra conservative when it comes to making changes to the line up
when it comes game time, unless Edds is drastically better, for a long period of time, than Crowder and Dobbins, he won’t get on the field much during games.
but it could happen, and i’d like to see it happen. I just think Sparano doesn’t like to take risk with new players unless he has VERY good reason.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 26, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think of Edds as an ILB,
think of him as a nickel LB.
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by uncle finster on Jul 26, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i understand
there have been several times over the past few years that we had player we thought would get on the field and sparano refused because he didn’t feel like they were ready. not sure henne would have gotten on the field but for injury.
and edds is a 4th rounder. wouldn’t be surprised to see him sit for a year.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 26, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Either would I,
but he won’t be used in the traditional sense is all I was saying, and he may get on the field just for covering TE’s in certain situations, just sayin.
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by uncle finster on Jul 26, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yep. and that is how he might actually get on the field. in a coverage role
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 26, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder why more people dont realize this
yeah, but one thing i have learned about Sparano is that he is ultra conservative when it comes to making changes to the line up
It seems when ever I talk about some players the first thing people say “if he was he would have played last year.” I wish more people noticed that Sparano does not like to make many roster changes during the season.
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and him trying to create some stability
but after last year, i just believe that when he goes with a guy, he knows he might have some growing pains and wants to give him a chance to play throw it rather than pulling him out and putting someone else in.
so if you don’t earn a spot early, it is much tougher to get on the field during the season. usually, it requires an injury.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 26, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
... or an arrest on some crime...
… or a trip to India to find yourself… lol
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 26, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Optimism is fine but........
……..that is expecting alot from a unit that struggled and is undergoing somewhat of an overhaul. I would say its expecting too much. Better to anticipate a transition period and hope for the best than to assume greatness.
I am surprised that The D " most likely" was even more optimistic than the O write up.
Steelers rule, Phins are cool,
Pats and Jets blow donkeys
It's just a matter of degree
i think the offense has been pretty good for the past two years, but last season we had all kinds of turmoil along the O-line, and Ronnie got injured, Cammy got injured, Cobbs got injured, CP got injured but that just accelerated the inevitable in Henne playing… But even so, Henne played pretty well for his first season (technically), the WRs played pretty well, and the Oline STILL played very well in spite of the constant rotation. And the running game held up with Ricky, Hilliard, and Polite.
I think the offense improves from good to very good this season.
The D, on the other hand SUCKED last season. I expect them to go from “sucked” to good or very good this year. The improvement on the D will greater if that happens.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 27, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't noticed but it's pretty cool you wen't with my assumptions lefty, thanks
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they were very well thought out, and i could not think of a good reason to change anything up at this point =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 28, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, and there are alot of errors in my comment above lol
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