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AFC East Rankings - Defense

 

Yesterday I posted the rankings for the offensive units in the AFC East.  This time around, I'll take a look at the defense.  The defensive side is where Miami and New England will find themselves with more question marks while those other guys up north may be a little more happy.  So let's take a look!

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                         Mia                    NE                     NYJ                  Buf

DL:                     3                        1                        2                        4

LB:                     2                        3                        1                        4

CB:                     3                        4                        1                        2

S:                        3                        1                        2                        4

Now this one may not look as good as the offensive side did for Miami.  There is a lot of potential in some positions for Miami and also in New England and Buffalo. 

I went with Patriots because first of all, they have the best NT in the division.  Ty Warren is also a suitable DE.  I also think Ron Brace can be a good backup because I think he'd be able to man the NT spot if Vince Wilfork goes down, but they do have Myron Pryor as a backup as well.  All of the AFC East squads have at least one unproven player or question mark at DE. The Jets went #2 because Ellis is a good player and Sione Pouha performed well when Kris Jenkins went down with an injury.  I'm not sure how Jenkins will return, but I do expect him to lose playing time to Pouha.  After this year even, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jenkins released so the Jets could sign other core players. Mike DeVito or Vernon Gholston at DE thoug? Sorry, I'm not buying that.  I actually do think Buffalo's DL, while new to their positions, could surprise some people if they get a solid NT.  I think Stroud can perform well as a 3-4 DE.  He's big and physical, but athletic and fast enough to generate some pressure on a QB.

For the LBs, I have to go with the Jets.  Though they have little to no depth, they're the only ones without question marks.  Miami goes number two here, but it's only because none of the other AFC East squads have strong LB corps.  While Miami has potential to get to the QB with Cameron Wake, 5.5 sacks and 20 QB pressures in 2009, both of their OLBs are new.  If Wake lives up to the hype, Miami's LB corps climbs up the charts.  Same goes for Misi, but I only take the term potential with a grain of salt.  Miami is ranked number two because of Karlos Dansby and Channing Crowder.  Both of them combine to form a formidable ILB corps.  Tim Dobbins also provides good depth as he performed very well during while he was on the field with the San Diego Chargers.  I go with NE thid because Jerod Mayo is a very good ILB and Gary Guyton is an average compliment.  If Brandon Spikes does live up to his potential, NE would be set at ILB for many years.   Derrick Burgess and Tully Banta-Cain are decent pass rushers, but they lack in other areas.  Banta-Cain is more of a 3rd down specialist than a full-time OLB.  They just need to generate constant pressure on the QB.   Jermaine Cunningham will need to step in immediately if the Patriots want to improve their pass rush.  Buffalo is trying to shift to a 3-4 and they're asking Chris Kelsay and Aaron Maybin to be their OLBs. Kelsay will have to adjust and Maybin may actually be better suited for this role. Maybin was a disappointment last year and will need to take a big step if he wants to be a starter.  I think Buffalo's ILBs are good with Paul Posluszny and Andra DavisKawika Mitchell and Reggie Torbor are serviceable backups.

For the CBs, this does go to New York. I don't agree with all the hype of Antonio Cromartie, but Revis is hands down the best CB in the division. Cromartie is good enough to give New York the edge with Kyle Wilson as a backup. This may be the surprise to people, but I give the Buffalo Bills the number two spot here.  Terrence McGee and Leodis McKelvin are good, young CBs and Drayton Florence is average.  Ashton Youboty has been a very good dime back. Miami would climb up the charts if Vontae Davis and Sean Smith live up to their potential, but again this post is not about potential. Will Allen would make it a strong push for the number two slot against Buffalo, but he is coming off an ACL tear.  As it stands, Tyrone Culver will be Miami's nickel CB if Will Allen isn't ready or if he struggles early in the year. New England is at the bottom of this list because Darius Butler, like Davis and Smith, has shown potential. Again, similar to Davis and Smith, Butler has given up a lot of big plays. I actually believe his play was sub-par to Miami's CBs last year. Leigh Bodden is only a serviceable CB.  The Patriots will need Devin McCourty to have an immediate impact to have a respectable secondary.

New England does get the top safety ranking. Brandon Meriweather is a great safety most of the time.  He has his occasional brain farts and forgets where he is supposed to be, but he did earn his Pro Bowl nominations.  The Patriots also have Patrick Chung, Chung started only one game in 2009, but during his time on the field, he played very well.  He has shown is was good against the run and was even able to generate good pressure on the QB on blitzes. He came up with 1 pick and has good range, but he'll still need to show he can be a good defender against the pass. What he did show in limited snaps this year was enough for me to give New England the top spot. A good backup with James Sanders is just icing on the cake.  New York gets number two with a pair of strong, but unspectacular, set of safeties with Jim Leonhard and Eric Smith. Brodney Pool may push Smith for the starting spot, but his own history with concussions makes it tough for him to last a full season.  His career was almost at an end before coming to New York.  With Smith starting though, Pool does become a good backup.  Miami goes number three because Yeremiah Bell is a very good SS. Their problem is Chris Clemons and the FS position. Clemons has very good athletic ability and good centerfield range, but he had a lot of mental errors. His time at Clemson shows he is a solid tackler and likes the hits, but again I'm not going on potential.  Tyrone Culver is a solid backup at both FS and SS. If Clemons does disappoint, Culver may find himself in the starting role.  Buffalo falls number four with Jarius Byrd being their lone bright spot. He had a lot of interceptions last year and was a candidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year, but even he found himself out of position at times and he needs to prove himself against the run.  Donte Whitner will be testing the strong safety side, but he's been a big disappointment thus far. George Wilson is only adequate depth.

There is my defensive rankings, though I'm sure many will disagree.  I'll throw in the caveat again that I don't believe each ranking will determine which team has the better overall defense.  There is a lot more that goes into that process.  This just ranks the talent each team has at those positions.  I'll post special teams rankings later on.

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I'm Dolphins' fan so obviously I don't like Buffalo

But the Bills have arguably the best Safety tandem in the division with Witner & and Byrd. If they aren’t #1 they’re #2.

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by inishe8 on Jul 21, 2010 3:20 AM EDT reply actions  

This

Possibly in the league.

by Farorefox on Jul 21, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whitner

Donte Whitner has not been a good safety since he came into the NFL. He had a lot of hype and potential, but he has not lived up to it. He lost his job as a free safety and his move to strong safety is similar to New York moving Gholston to DE. It’s a last chance for him to stay on the roster.

by Finhead83 on Jul 21, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have to disagree with that

He lost his job as FS because Byrd is better suited for that position. Witner was a SS playing outta position up until last year when they found Byrd. Even if what you said is fact they’re still more stable at saftey then the Jets and our beloved Dolphins, maybe the Pats too.

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by inishe8 on Jul 21, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you really think that

That is fine, but I would have to disagree. I remember Whitner being involved in a trade rumor with the Redskins for Jason Campbell even. It’s not even set Whitner will even be the starting strong safety, but it would be interesting to take on the opinions at Buffalo Rumblings on him. I have seen posts over there where they’re still wondering who their strong safety even will be. Like many of them, I will not be surprised to see George Wilson starting and Whitner on the bench.

by Finhead83 on Jul 22, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a Bills fan,

Whitner has been underproductive in the interception department but very solid in coverage and tackling. As a 1st round pick, the fan base has been somewhat disgruntled because of this lack of turnovers. This is also why he gets no publicity.

His numbers did go up last year with thanks to the presence of Byrd.

Also, the move to the 3-4 could give him more opportunities for picks.

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by billsoferie on Jul 22, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 3-4 doesn't really change the secodary.

It might give more pressure, but doesn’t change what a SS, FS, or CB does.

How is he in run support? a SS is heavily involved in the run defense.

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by PotM on Jul 22, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, while the scheme change does not change the responsibilities too much, like you said

It will create more pressure and the possibilities for more turnovers, which is where he has lacked.

Whitners strength is run support. He is a hard hitter and seems to have good instinct.

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by billsoferie on Jul 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both have the same potential for TOs and pressure when

ran correctly and with the proper payers.

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by PotM on Jul 23, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh well i kinda dissagree

but thats fine

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by billsoferie on Jul 23, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The saints were the best at both last

year, and they did it by design not talent. They run a 4-3 by the way. Execution is key

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by PotM on Jul 23, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not trying to say that a 4-3 cant produce turnovers

I just think the more aggressive blitzing style of the modern 3-4 gives rise to more interception opportunities

The Green Bay Packers had the most interceptions last year, and they were in their first year of a 3-4 with young QB attacking OLB’s. Teams like the Ravens, Jets and Steelers also run a 3-4 and always seem to have guys picking off passes, But also last year to your point, the bills had the second most interceptions in the league and ran a 4-3.

A 3-4 team has had the most interceptions in the league since at least 2006.

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by billsoferie on Jul 24, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

But a 4-3 lets you have one or two guys

that specialize in blitzing, while the 3-4 makes three run stopper and the rest have to be able to drop back. Also it is easier to go into a nickel package because the LBs aren’t as big and that means they are usually faster i coverage, which is a good thing. There are pros and cons to both of them, but it success and failure comes down to coaching and the types of players.

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by PotM on Jul 24, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, last year GB went back to a

zone defense, which is both their CBs strength. A well put together zone blitz works like a charm. Also, it isn’t always going to lead to TOs and sacks, look at us last year. We didn’t have a coach that knew how to run a 34.

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by PotM on Jul 24, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

wrong

their CB’s are man coverage guys. The 3-4 does lend itself to creating more turnovers because it’s more versatile when it comes to blitzes and coverages.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with that

It really depends on the personnel you have within that system. If you go look at the top 10 teams last year with the most INTs, you’ll notice the majority of them play in a system other than than 3-4. Each system can generate turnovers as long as the players are solid fits in the system. If it was solid fact the 3-4 defense would generate more turnovers, we’d see nearly every team playing to that defense. The Colts have no problems with turnovers in their Tampa 2 scheme and the Saints, Eagles, Panthers, and Bills had success with turnovers in their respective schemes as well.

by Finhead83 on Jul 25, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course it depends on personnel

that’s not debatable.. what is debatable is, all things even, which scheme lends itself to creating more turnovers. That’s the 3-4 IMO, because it’s more versatile, can bring more blitzes from more angles, and can drop more players into coverages.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

All things even

All things even, I think they’re all equal on their ability to cause turnovers. If any system had an advantage on an even playing field, every team would use it.

by Finhead83 on Jul 26, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I were Buffalo I would jump at the chance to get Jason Campbell for a saftey

But as you said it was just a rumor. And honestly, if that trade would have taken place the Bills would have looked pretty smart as a FO for getting a guy of Campbell’s talent. Not to say Witner’s not talented, but a QB is more valuable to a team. Not to mention they have Wilson (who’s still a decent player) to fall back. If he were being traded for a guy like J. Russell you’d have a solid argument, Campbell is a QB that could start for a good amount of teams in this league.

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by inishe8 on Jul 23, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very hard to try to gauge our D right now,

once TC starts we will have a better idea, but really we won’t know until the season gets underway.

by uncle finster on Jul 21, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I’m trying to convey that this is based off of talent right now and not considering the potential of players. This is mainly because every player has potential, but how many live up to it? Obviously things can change during the season.

by Finhead83 on Jul 21, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Its hard to rank our defense we don’t really know what to expect. Is dansby good YES. But outside of that can Wake be everydown LB will Odrick get to the QB how will the NT transition go. Will the young corners grow or hit the sophomore wall.

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by Seminolephinatic on Jul 21, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the loss of Ferguson

we must have one of the youngest defenses around. Hopefully these numbers to go up or we’ll have to be one high scoring team.

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by Phintastic on Jul 21, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I know we lost are two oldest players JT and Ferguson

Also losing ayodele who turned 30 we have gotten significantly younger the oldest people on the team are Bell (32) and Dansby (28) which is a very good thing to have a young defense

by JarrodH on Jul 21, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's hope they can handle the

fame after winning the SB!!

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by Phintastic on Jul 21, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope they will do the thing's they need to win a superbowl.

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by wild zion beaver on Jul 21, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd put the trio of Bodden, Butler and McCourty...

…up against any trio in the East. I think the Patriots are second only to the Jets when you look at the cornerback position as a whole, especially when teams are running 3 CB sets more frequently. I’d put Bodden and Butler against Smith and Davis any day.

And for safeties, I’d go Buffalo 1st, Patriots 2nd, Jets 3rd, Dolphins 4th. Just how it falls into place.

by Richard Hill on Jul 21, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

What a slow day at Pats Pulpit

that you have to criticize our team. Wow you must really have a life

by JarrodH on Jul 21, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be settled. Its his opinion even if its based on homerism.

He was respectful and thats all you can ask.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 21, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Pats and Dolphins are tied for second.

WA was second in the league in completion % when thrown at. 1% behind Revis. SS and Vd will likely progress as well. I think that Wake and co. will make our secondary look better than they are due to the increased pressure compared to last year.

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by PotM on Jul 22, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

NE's CBs

I think Butler had even more problems than Miami’s rookie CBs and Leigh Bodden is an average CB. I think the combination of McGee-McKelvin-Youbouty and Davis-Smith-Allen are superior to them. Buffalo and Miami at least has solid CBs each with Terrence McGee and Will Allen. I don’t think the Patriots really have a solid CB. As for McCourty, that goes into potential again, where I’ve been staying away from.

by Finhead83 on Jul 22, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone is underating Bodden.

He was actually one of the best corners in the league last year. Certainly not in the Revis, Woodson, Asomugha level, but definitely in the second tier.

by Richard Hill on Jul 22, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

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