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Team Chemistry - How important is it?

Chemistry and talent.  You hear teams talk about both, and you hear coaches say that you need both to win.  You need talent to be successful in today’s NFL.  No question.

But what does it mean to have chemistry?  Or to not have it?  How important is it really?  And will the Miami Dolphins have it this season?


I have two examples to help Illustrate:


First, the 2000 Washington Redskins - who went out and tried to buy a championship by spending money on high priced free agents.   The major free agent pickups that season were S Mark Carrier, QB Jeff George, RB Adrian Murrell, CB Deion Sanders, and DE Bruce Smith.   All told, Dan Snyder spent 47 million dollars on signing bonuses in 2000, including 8 million to Deion, making the Redskins the first NFL team ever to break 100 million dollars in salaries.   That team arguably had talent, but finished 8-8 and four games out of first place in the NFC East.


The second is the 2008 Miami Dolphins.  This team was coming off of a 1-15 season, and had limited talent and depth.   The biggest, game changing, impact to the team came from the addition of Bill Parcells, who in turn brought in Tony Sparano and a new coaching staff.  The key new 2008 roster additions to join the starting lineup were Jake Long, Jason Ferguson, Justin Smiley, Anthony Fasano, Akin Ayodele, Chad Pennington, and Dan Carpenter.  And there were a few second string additions, as well, that ended up contributing significantly through the season, like Davone Bess and Kendall Langford (No, I am not forgetting Cobbs… he was on the 2007 roster).

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Outside of Jake Long and Chad Pennington, none of these new additions were high-priced, high profile guys.  Other than Pennington, Justin Smiley was the biggest free agent acquisition made that offseason.  And this team went on to close out an 11-5 seasonal record, with a division championship, and a trip to the playoffs.

Now, it would be overly simplistic to assume that the only difference between the 2000 Redskins and the 2008 Dolphins was team chemistry.  And people will always point to the Dolphins success that season and talk about "strength of schedule", or the "novelty of the Wildcat", or even plain old "luck".  To some degree, these things are all valid, contributing factors in the way things came together that year.  With a little less luck, we might have lost a few key players at positions lacking an adequate replacement (indeed, how lucky was it to have found Bess as an undrafted FA, and then have him develop into a WR capable of replacing Camarillo when he went down?).  But how many times does a last place team, get a #1 draft pick, and play a last place schedule the upcoming season, and still finish in the bottom quarter of the league that next year?  Pretty often I think.  Look at the Rams or the Lions or the Raiders.  And even teams that hit the skids, and start to pull out the next season, rarely do well.  More often, if they get back close to .500 it is considered a successful "rebuilding" season.

It might be that one of the significant differences between the 2000 Redskins and the 2008 Dolphins was team chemistry.  I think that the Redskins that year believed their own press.  They had star power, and the egos to go along with it.  They were the "Dream Team", and were expected by many to contend for the Super Bowl that season.  In his 2000 team and NFC East previews, Sports Illustrated's Don Banks called the division going to the Redskins by a wide margin and saw a possible Super Bowl.

The 2008 Dolphins had a few stars of their own, however.  They had Joey Porter, Ronnie & Ricky, and Chad Pennington.  But the folks that had played through the 2007 season were humbled.  Even the normally loud mouthed Porter was entering camp that year ready to do *anything* to avoid another season as demoralizing as the prior one.  In other words, the players themselves were willing to put their personal egos and statistics on the back burner, in order to "buy in" to the new coaching staff and their system.  They were willing to work hard to get it right.  To do it the way they were told, instead of freelancing.  They put their eyes on themselves, rather than criticize the other guy.  The irony of this season was that the biggest "star", was traded for dancing with them.  JT was putting his own agenda ahead of that of the team.  And he was sent packing.

But what was it that pushed them over the top that year, when so many team still struggle the season following a last place finish?  Lots of teams start over.  Lots of teams go through a rebuilding offseason and don’t fare half as well in that following regular season.  Lots of teams replace coaching staffs; GMs; bring in new systems.  What the Fins did that year was nothing short of epic!

My thought is that there were two people and one event that brought the team together in a way that inspired confidence and camaraderie.  And in my opinion, it probably couldn’t have happened any other way.

The two people were Tony Sparano and Chad Pennington.  We all know they are good guys, and they inspire loyalty; we know that Sparano sticks up for his players, and that Pennington is a smart quarterback who keeps mistakes to a minimum.  But Tony was a new coach, and we saw some rookie mistakes from him during the season.  And Chad might be smart, but he is not the kind of guy that will win a game solely on his arm.  So when the Dolphins dropped their first two games of the season, including their home opener to the Jets and a 31-10 shellacking by Arizona, things could have fallen apart fast.

But Pennington set an example for hard work and consistency that helped keep the team settled and focused.  He continued this over the course of the season, and the team came to respect his work habits, preparation, and attention to detail.  And after starting out 0-2, Sparano was humble enough to ask for help.  He admitted that he wasn’t sure what to do next, but knew that if he didn’t do something drastic, the men that followed him would be in danger of losing heart.  So was born the Wildcat.  But it was not the Wildcat itself that would save the season.

The event happened on September 21st, at 1pm EST, when the Miami Dolphins went into Gillette Stadium and beat the New England Patriots, using their new "Wildcat" formation.  And they didn’t just win; they decisively dismantled the team widely regarded at the time as the best team in professional football.   They rolled over the Patriots 38-13, behind the Ronnie and Ricky Express Train, and did something no one thought they could do, in a way that no one would have believed they could do it!

It wouldn’t have been the same to squeak by the Pats on a 3 point win.  They would have felt happy to get the win, sure, but they probably would have felt "lucky" that Brady wasn’t playing.  But hanging 38 points on the Pats D, was no fluke.

When I look back on that wonderfully improbable season, I see this as the moment when team confidence was born; when the players who had suffered through that miserable 2007 season realized that this year could be different; when for the first time, the team laughed together.  I think it was here, at this point, that players really began to believe in themselves, in each other, and in their coaches; and to trust that if they just did their part, everyone else would take care of their own.   Chemistry.


So now it is time for your chemistry exam:

  1. In terms of talent, how much better do you think this years Miami Dolphins are than the 2008 squad?
  2. Do you think the Dolphins will have team chemistry this season?
  3. Do you think the Jets will have team chemistry this year, or will they end up being the 2010 version of the 2000 Redskins?

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hi!

Offensive talent much better—Ronnie back, Henne more Exp. and of course the drastic improvement of the player occupying the #19

Defense— no talent change overall. but greater upside—swapped youth for experience.

Chemistry— should be great i think because of the attempt at acquiring mature type players through draft and keeping a pretty solid core of leaders (10, 7, 94, 37, 36, 34, 23 etc) and improving an already good coaching staff

jets suck!

by colinmc82 on Jul 20, 2010 2:12 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

you get an "A"

=)

-LCFF

DotJPBW
(under protest)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

substitutes ALWAYS give A's

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the "A" was for "A"nswering the questions.... ;^)

i don’t require that they be complete or correct.

-LCFF

DotJPBW
(under protest)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

written like a true sub!

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

=)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chemistry may be more of an issue than you guys think

I hope I am wrong, but look at the Blotter lately. An awful lot of Dolphins, including young, up and comers, and Vets that should know better are getting in an awful lot of police trouble. Brown, Allen, McDaniel, Hartline, Merling. These are names that are supposed to be in the core of our team, yet they can’t keep their hands to themselves, or call a friend when inebriated. Expect Merling to get at least some time off from Goodell, if not the State of FL, and who knows what the fallout will be for Hartline? We don’t want the Chemistry from JJ’s Caines around here, we want strong leadership, and good decision making skills from our core players.

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by Tree2691 on Jul 20, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep, i would be concerned about this as well.

chemistry isn’t necessarily carried forward year to year, IMO. It has to be re-created every season with the new guys added to the mix.
However, a strong leader is needed, and I think Henne will be more confident in the locker room this year. And i think the subtraction of Porter, and the addition of Dansby will both work towards establishing that team chemistry. so it is really hard to tell how off field issues will effect the team. i would guess that Merling will not have a big impact, since he hasn’t had a big impact on the field and is currently fighting for a backup spot.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you would have to admit,

it was under Porter’s leadership that we had the chemistry, and on a similar note, our bad end of the year last year, when our guys were coming out flat, that was after the rift between Porter and Sparano, and Porter no longer wanted to be the defensive leader for Sparano.

Don’t under estimate the leadership he provided, regardless what many fans say, he was a very popular leader in the clubhouse, players have no problem following him, even leaders, Cowher credits him as being a crucial cog in the SB victory, he led that entire team, he is a natural leader.

by uncle finster on Jul 20, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Character vs Chemistry

To me, these are 2 different things.
I see chemistry as kind of the cohesiveness of the team—ability to get along with each other and play well with each other.

I do not necessarily believe that they MUST go hand in hand to be successful (ie 90’s Cowboy’s). However, I do think that character can affect team chemistry when a player’s off-field problems become a distraction—It’s up to the players to let stuff bother them or not.

Hopefully having good chemistry can have a positive influence on character as the more mature guys can positively influence the less mature guys. It’s embarrassing to me as a Dolphin fan when they do dumb stuff.

Anyway, since the issue at hand here is team chemistry, I say the Dolphins can have it despite some character flaws.

jets suck!

by colinmc82 on Jul 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

this^^^

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by Weecho85 on Jul 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This^^^

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by 21Dave on Jul 20, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicely said.

the problem here is that in order to have chemistry, you have to have trust in your teammates. You have to believe that they will do the right thing when the time comes.

So I would guess that if you have a knucklehead getting in trouble off the field, that it would make it harder for his team mates to trust his judgment on the field.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it translates like that,

if they trust him on the field, thats it, they don’t want him to get suspended, but they still trust him on the field, if he is that type of player.

Anybody on the Fins not trust Ricky, because his problems were quite extensive here.

by uncle finster on Jul 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

we can disagree =)

but how many people do you know that you partially trust? It has to be earned. chemistry doesn’t just happen on the field. players always trusted ricky on the field, but when he came back he had to earn their trust not to let them down again OFF the field.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well said

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by PotM on Jul 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

Though my point leans more to the leaders of the team that are in trouble. These are the people that the new players are looking up to. Add to this year, you have Starks’ trouble, plus the whole hit and run thing last year eerily replayed this year by Hartline. It seems someone on the team may have told others that if someone is drinking, and driving, they should drive off, if they hit something. Hit and run, with no people involved, better than dui. This disturbs me as to what is being passed on. I know you can have chemistry without character, but ask the Bengals how that has worked out. Ask the Titans when they had their issues. These problems indicate a lack of self discipline. The military develops cohesiveness through discipline, why not NFL teams?

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by Tree2691 on Jul 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well spoken, LCFF

nicely worded, too.

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by Tunaflipper on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post lefty

almost as if Matty never left.
1.As far as the talent goes I think we have improved quite a bit since 2008. The interior line looks much better, the addition of a number one wide reciever, and the emergence of polite makes the offense more talented. The potential of so many young defensive players (Misi, Wake, Odrick, Clemons, Smith, Davis), the addition of Karlos Dansby, and the emergence of Starks ( I think he will succeed at Nost Tacke) makes the defense more talent.
2. Hard to say if the team will have chemistry without being in the locker room on a day-to-day basis, but I will say this: players seem to love playing down here since the trio showed up. The team seems very focused, all rookies have been captains at the colligate level, and no large egos are on the team without Joey Porter here anymore. So if I had to guess, I would say yes.
3. I think the Jets will have team chemistry, as well. Say what you want about Rex Ryan, but his players love playing for him. I don’t think they are a super bowl team ( not with dirty Sanchez, and offseason additions are past prime), but I don’t think it will be beause of the chemistry. They may be on the arrogrant side, but that team seems to embrace it.

by vaneasy2338 on Jul 20, 2010 2:35 AM EDT reply actions  

last year there were a number of games when the team looked like they were barely

interested in getting on and off the field. you had sparano irritated in the early days that too many fins were sitting around playing cards in the locker room, which isn’t necessarily an indication of ‘chemistry.’ t
the innovations of dan henning in creating the wildcat indeed may have ‘sparked’ or ‘jelled’ a team that needed to see it could have chemistry and that could feature its talent in new ways.

the new aquisitions and new defensive coordinator do look promising for chemistry, which presumably is something that builds or flags as the season progresses. another example of your 00 redskins were the last 3 or 4 dolphins teams under shula. big tickets, little chemistry.

yeah, i changed the photo

by a1a on Jul 20, 2010 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you van. =) I admit i was a bit nervous about posting.

I agree with you on all three points. I do think getting rid of JP will be a positive, and I also think Ryan handles the chemistry well.

My hope for the jets is that there are enough big egos there, and now a few “disgruntled employees”, that a bad start will push them over the edge.

;^)

-LCFF

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Marshall for sure makes this entire offense better. Nolan and a years experience

for some of the new guys makes the Defense better. As far as chemistry I think all it takes for it all to click for a certain team is to buy in to not only the system but the team concept. If you have a team like Washington, full of players that believed that they were bigger than the team as a whole, you will never go far. Sure you can win some games on sheer talent but it takes a belief in one another and the “team” to win big.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2010 2:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice

Agreed. I believe every word of what you said, and you couldn’t have said any better. I hope this team chemistry carries over to this upcoming season, what with the new faces and all. Great job, LCFF! ;)

by AZ_Dolfan on Jul 20, 2010 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh and great job Lefty. I did not know you had it in you. I though you only talent was taking well timed shots at Nicky.

Wrecked!

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by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2010 2:45 AM EDT reply actions  

hey now.... you are the Nicky shooter. =)

i shoot at everyone pretty evenly.

thx tex!

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about? I am the only one here defending Nicky!

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by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

riiiight

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Is this not how you remember it?

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by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too, like Lefty

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You too what?

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by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what any of you are talking about.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

TCP - not how I remember it, like Lefty

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 21, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL I guess you missremembered.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 21, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think chemistry will be important for the defense.

With no superstar on the defensive side of the ball, itll have to come down to the system to of nolan to manufacture sacks, turnovers, there is no proven main pass rusher yet so itll be a joined effort to get to the qb.

by aquandy on Jul 20, 2010 3:31 AM EDT reply actions  

this^

i think our defense will be the x factor this year. i hope they have chemistry. last year our offense executed extremely well. i think they got the number 1 WR so our execution and chemistry and balance will be amazing this year.

...yay

by naf snihplod on Jul 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have got just one word for it all well two words really and that is tony sparano he is the key to this whole thing.

sure mister P and the gm had a hand in this but they are not down with the players every day like tony is. he seems to make the players really want to play for him.

and to me that is what makes a great coach and the key to team chemistry.

as my great grand pappy use to say: your house is your castel if you rnot going to stand up to protect it the n who will?

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jul 20, 2010 3:37 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Your great grand pappy must have been like a redneck Buddha.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

lmao redneck buddha love it

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by Weecho85 on Jul 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

hillbilly Buddha!

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hummmm ya know i like that , maybe i will change his name to the great hillbilly buddha use to say:

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jul 20, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely...

That would be awesome!

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by The Earl on Jul 20, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehe ya i must admit he had wisdom pouring out of every pour.. i always wondered why he smoked the funny stuff so much and would sit crossed legged floating about a foot off the ground. grins

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jul 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 the chemistry was outstanding. CP10 holding private workout (no coaches) sessions weekly with the o-line and WR core helped tremendously. Everyone on both sides of the ball wanted to work together to get it done.
2009 Some players got cocky and that chemistry fell apart. Injuries also played a role in the teams decline. Losing CP10 also caused a reduction in that chemistry.
2010 Henne had time to grow with the team and build his Chemistry last year. He will continue to do so this offseason. Cancer Porter is gone. This will allow the Defense to grow under Dansby, Starks, and Bell (W. Allen if healthy). These are good role models for the young guys. I don’t know if the team chemistry will surpass 2008. That was magic on the field. However, I think 2010 will be close to 2008 with better talent and depth. We will also be hungry to prove we are better than last season.

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jul 20, 2010 4:54 AM EDT reply actions  

The Jets will bump heads and fail

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jul 20, 2010 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

especially when the new parts are arthritic and rusty

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i agree with your 2010 assessment 54

I think there was an addition by subtraction with Porter, and that Henne will be more confident as a leader. It is going to be very interesting to watch.

I think Marshall can go either way. The trick is, can you keep him positive when things look like they are going south?

-LCFF

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm Marshall

It will be interesting to see how we keep him happy on the field. #1 receivers like to be that go to guy. But our team has the GC83. The best hands in the NFL IMO. In clutch situations, if Cam gets open and could make the play, I would like to see Henne pass Cam the ball. Even if Marshall was open to. Sure, this will take away from some of his Thunder. But he’ll have enough TD’s to keep him happy.

This scenario is where is see Marshall getting upset. Marshall gets open and put his hands up, but the ball heads to another player and that player fails to make the play. If this starts happening constantly he will have a negative impact on the chemistry. However, if the other receiver makes the play he will be ok with it.

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jul 20, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he did get upset at times, but that was when the QB missed him running down the sideline

alone. I doubt that will happen often, Henne missing him that is.

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by PotM on Jul 20, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

True. I don’t think that would happen either :)

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 20, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

My POV

1. I think the overall talent is better than the 2008 team, but talent alone will only take you so far as we saw from the ’Skins back in 2000.

2. I do think we will have good team chemistry this year because of the lack of big egos and negativity in the locker room. Add the fact that there are a lot of guys on the roster with something to prove, and leaders that would rather walk it than talk it. Now I don’t know if this year’s version of the Phins will mesh as well as the 2008 team, but I do believe they will come together as a team.

3. I think the Jets will have good team chemistry as well (for a while at least). With that said, I also think they will be under a lot of pressure. We all know pressure busts pipes, and think that the pressure will end up getting the best of them as the season wears on. IMO they have a very volitie situation in N.Y. One in which thngs can go very good or very bad very fast. And with the contract problems facing some key players, one hot head could be like throwing a lit match in a gas tank.

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by inishe8 on Jul 20, 2010 5:09 AM EDT reply actions  

p.s. rec'd

I really enjoyed reading this post. Nice job

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by inishe8 on Jul 20, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The chemistry

First, there is no doubt we have more talent now than we did in 2008.

Secondly, I think our chemistry will be stronger as we had a lot of rookies last year who are now entering their second season with each other. Our roster is full of youth who are maturing together. The free agents we have brought have have been working well with the team thus far. Marshall has had problems with coaches in the past, but there were no indications he was not getting along with his teammates in Denver. He has bonded very well with other Dolphin WRs. Dansby is a player with great character and will likely be an immediate leader in the locker room. I expect he’ll be voted as a team captain. The only true player we really know that caused problems last year will be playing in Arizona come September.

As for the Jets, I don’t know if they will combust, but I doubt they’d have the same chemistry as many teams. There’s been a lot of animosity towards their front office and they have a lot of new faces.

by Finhead83 on Jul 20, 2010 5:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post as usual FF

1.In terms of talent, how much better do you think this years Miami Dolphins are than the 2008 squad?
2.Do you think the Dolphins will have team chemistry this season?
3.Do you think the Jets will have team chemistry this year, or will they end up being the 2010 version of the 2000 Redskins?

While we were quite talented at a few positions,our OL is better,the addition of Marshall on Offense will really open this thing up for all other skill positions, Dansby simply makes everyone around him better on D and the impact Nolan running this Defense will have cannot be overstated IMO.

I think team Chemistry starts with attitude from the top and our tops attitude is there are no individual stars on this team and they aquire players who will sell-out and leave it all on the field for the greater cause and as Brandon Marshall put it “I’m ready to run through brick walls for the man!”.

When you have players that carry themselves that way they will follow you and will fully respect the Coaches and buy into their teaching(thankfully we have great teachers) and it’s just repetition after that.

As far as the Jets go,they have no chance of being successful because of their attitude of individualism and arrogance which breeds division and a house divided will not stand..plain and simple.

by buttonmashersrhilarious on Jul 20, 2010 5:57 AM EDT reply actions  

nice one lefty

better than matty’s lol….shouldn’t have said that lol…jk matty.

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by Kdog92 on Jul 20, 2010 7:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Ummm Lefty......

Nice post by the way and rec’d. But I think there’s a problem with your caption to the photo. First off, Nate Jones is black. So I highly doubt that’s him congratulating Hartline after a TD. Secondly, I believe that it’s Camarillo pictured doing the congratulating.

Actually a better team you should have compared the 2008 team to is the 1995 Dolphins team. Shula’s last stand. All that talent (old washed up talent that is), and all we got was a 9-7 record and a first round playoff loss to Buffalo.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 20, 2010 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

i didn't write the caption. it is straight from AP

i wasn’t sure about the copyright rules, so i pulled it from the SBN pool and didn’t make any changes.
i can’t tell about jones, but that’s hartline.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well considering Nate Jones isn't a light skinned brother....

I’d say it’s definitive that the guy hugging Hartline is not Nate Jones. My best guess is it looks like Camarillo. Whoever did the caption needs a new line of work, either that or Lynne Sladky needs to let other people caption their photos.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

camarillo has always been #83

Hartline is #82, and besides you can totally see his face. It is hartline. =)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hartline isn't the player in dispute.

It’s the player hugging Hartline in the pic. The caption says that player is Nate Jones, but that player is white. I was saying my best guess of who that is is Camarillo. Are you tracking now?

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he's a light skinned latino.

But Nate Jones IS a dark skinned brother, and therefore cannot be any of the people in the photo in question.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I saw that to

I’m 100% sure thats GC83 with Hartline

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by 54 on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our talent is WAY better than 2008 on BOTH sides of the ball;

the only big loss in talent on D is JP, and we added Dansby and a LOT of young talent. Offense goes without saying, and our O-Line should have much more chemistry this year. The biggest question is at QB where we traded experience for talent, and CP10 was in my mind the single biggest reason we made the playoffs that year.

And to the excuse that we had an easy schedule when we won the division: I only buy that argument for wild-card winners. We won our division when all 4 teams had the same exact schedule minus 2 games; and if they had beat us 2 games, then those other 2 don’t matter.

by GoPhish13 on Jul 20, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

excellent post, lefty. Really good stuff.

I think that you made really good points and I agree. Chemistry is underrated these days by many fans. And this year I believe this team will be as cohesive as ever. The o-line is pretty familiar with each other and outside of Dansby,the defense knows wach other well. I just hope B-Marsh and Henne get on the same page quickly.

As far as 2008 goes, which was the most enjoyable season of my lifetime, I do think you nailed it. CP10 and Sparano deserve a ton of credit. In fact, the entire coaching staff deserves a ton of credit. They made all of the right adjustments and took a team that wasn’t as talented as most to a division crown.

There’s no doubt,though, that this team now is more talented. Heres to hoping for the best in 2010!!

by Matty I on Jul 20, 2010 9:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

you are supposed to be on vacation, not lurking!

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

finsx let him borrow his stalknoculars

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by BSerious72 on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

X?

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is he? is he EVER coming back?

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

that it is!

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 21, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks matty

2008 was my favorite season as well, in a long career as a fin fan. This season looks promising, but i do think Marshall is the wild card. Fingers crossed.

And like tifosi said, you are supposed to be on vacation! =)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Work Lefty...

This is a real solid post – thanks for the effort.
totally agree – chemistry is very important, this team will need to have great chemistry because we are still growing – specificall on defense. the offense is much more “mature” with a great O-Line and Experienced RB’s (plus talented) add in Marshall to solid VETS Camarillo & BESS and you have a real good “team chemistry” on offense… Now the DEFENSE is another thing – we must build up this chemistry, with a new MLB (Dansby) new starting safety (prob. Clemons) Starks moving to NT and the addition of NOLAN, this is a unit in transition…A big victory over Buffalo in week 1 would really help this DEF out…

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by 62Lou on Jul 20, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

especially since the last 3 years we started the year with a loss.

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Mental Mental Mental"

After such a devastating year (2007) all our senior player’s, & most of our new (free agent’s). Yes & this is were I will agree with you whole heartedly. Most of those player’s sat down made time, to prioratize thing’s as sum say soul search. But what they are really saying, is that they went over in there mind’s eye. Really saw how they should have made a Quicker read here, a smaller steep there. Got a better mental scope of the game, hung with the team a bit more going over read’s makeing the game slow down.
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 20, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Holy crap Beav!

That was more than one sentence. Are you alright?

And very close to English….

lol

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by Alpha6 on Jul 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not quite though, but good attempt!

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by PotM on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think Beav was sober when he wrote that.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

I had to rec it.

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 20, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

right and to me that was our heads coachs plan. he came in and really sold them on his game plans. he made them believe in themselves and what he had to teach them.

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jul 20, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was excited to see what you would come out with when Matty said you were taking over the week,

And I wasn’t disappointed at all. Very good article LCFF.

Chemistry isn’t just important, if you want to win Super Bowls, it’s mandatory. Look back at the last 10 Super Bowl winners

XLIV Saints – Everyone saw these guys last year, they played as a unit and had fun together. Most of all, they played as a team.

XLIII Steelers – The cohesiveness of the Steelers defensive unit this year won them the title. And even during the game, you could just see more fire in the eyes of the Steelers.

XLII Giants – The Giants took the underdog role to heart here. They were out to prove that Tiki Barber was not the only good player on their team, and they played with a chip on their shoulder all year.

XLI Colts – This Colts team displayed another type of chemistry. They seemd damn near emotionless, almost robotic, but their timing and consistency was perfect.

XL Steelers – Jerome Bettis’ last season, we all saw the sob story and the emotion that was driving that team.

XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Patriots – in XXXVI the Patriots came in to play against “The Greatest Show on Turf” on the arm of a second string QB and the play of a rookie DT, and had already lost to the Rams earlier in the season. But the team first mentality and chemistry had already begun, and the Patsies would carry this mentality through the other two Super Bowls as well. Few can argue that the teams that won these three Super Bowls had great chemistry and camaraderie.

XXXVII Buccaneers – Remember that this was Gruden’s first year as the Bucs coach after being “traded” by the Raiders. Another emotionally charged team determined to not be the laughing stock of the NFL anymore led by a cohesive defensive unit and great team chemistry.

XXXV Ravens – A very emotionally charged team, but really, I think it’s safe enough to say that you HAVE to have good team chemistry to win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer as your QB. The Ravens defense this season had especially good chemistry, and truely worked together as a cohesive unit.

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by ratenxs on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

very good examples and i totally agree!

it is that thing that makes a team be willing to live or die together, and at the same time believe they can win against any odds.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

recd

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by NinjaZX6R on Jul 20, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post

1. much better talent this year than 08
2. chemistry may be a issue with a new DC and a bunch of rookies. No real leader on the field on either side yet. we will have to wait and see who emerges as our captains.
3. the Jets rally around their coach. they have proven that last season. if we beat the coach we beat the team. Rexy the Hutt has already been swept by us his rookie season and fined for flippin our faithful the bird. not to mention his jawing with channing crowder. we are definitely in his head. now with JT workin on the inside for us covert style we should defeat them again this season and that may be their undoing.

by labrat3105 on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Chapeau Lefty....Nice to see a different author on the front page :-)

Regarding team chemistry, or shall we say, lack thereof….

We could take our pick among many’s the Redskins squad that have demonstrated awful chemistry. More often than not, they ended up with what amounted to a vastly underachieving group of mercenaries who were largely strangers.

But you can look at it as a chicken/egg type question….is it how well guys bond and gel that determines their performance or is it the performance that depends how well they get along?

I suspect there are plenty of teams where the players are tight, the coaching staff respected, and yet their on field play may be poor.

So I’d say talent trumps chemistry but that doesn’t mean chemistry is irrelevant. Even on a talented team, when chemistry is absent and adversity comes up, then you can see squads like that have big, big problems. Without the chemistry, it can quickly become every man for himself.

The 08 dolphins had soooo many positive intangibles: well coached, underdog mentality, highly disciplined on the field (witness the team record low turnovers that year), and let’s not kid ourselves……..plenty of luck.

Like labrat, I see this year’s team as being far more talented than our ‘08 edition. Yet I’d also say this team has more question marks as far as leadership and many new players which raises issues of chemistry.

I think they’ll bond well and contend to duplicate the feats of the 08 team…meaning contend for the division title.

by Natalya on Jul 20, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Luckily

They still have some veteran leadership on the team. Chad Pennington is still in the locker room and Williams has been more of a mentor since his return. Jake Long is a growing leader and Dansby was a leader in Arizona and will probably be an immediate captain. Besides that, we still have Bell and Will Allen too. I think all of those guys can be quality leaders.

by Finhead83 on Jul 20, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think we have a great mix of

Vets and younger players. Hopefully no one gets in their head that they are more important than the team.

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by Phintastic on Jul 20, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though I don't know how much it will augment...

… I point out that the team drafted a few that were leaders at their schools (team captains). Though I know knowledge and experience are needed to make a good leader, and at a high level, I believe these might come into play even at a humbler level.

I also believe that having had some experience at leadership will make for a player to participate and contribute to team morale. It’s (team morale) an intangible for the capacity of people to maintain belief in an institution or a goal, or even in oneself and others. And I believe that these players (old & new) will bring this about.

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by Alpha6 on Jul 20, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree Nat.

but i would say that the underdog mentality and being highly disciplined on the field go hand in hand with chemistry. i think that by trusting your team mate to do his job, it allows you to focus more on doing your own and cuts down on mental errors. i have seen guys push too hard trying to be an individual game changer, and end up making a critical mistake.

i also think that you can have success without chemistry, but it is almost impossible to have chemistry without success. The guys have more at stake than a football game… they are playing for their futures in one way or another. when things go bad, it is very difficult to maintain a positive attitude and focus on doing your job well. They may get along in the locker room, but i think being civil is different from having team chemistry.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our pickups and draft were consistent career leaders, a mantel of parcells criteria. Chemistry will be fine as long as we stay out of trouble. I do think jets will fall with their decision to let 3 core go and replacing them with unproven or past prime players. Holmes and Cromartie has off field problems as well and braylon will make a little noise if things don’t go his way.2000 skins again(jets 8-8).

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by fin4three5yrs on Jul 20, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

In the Patriots defense (since they didn't have any at the game)...

…no one thought the Matt Cassel led Patriots were the best in the league- but I’ll give you that it was gigantic upset that has brought the Dolphins back into prominence.

Also, I believe that the Patriots and Dolphins are creating teams that will be the best in the AFC for the next decade. The Jets are going for broke this upcoming season.

The Bills are also a football team. I think.

by Richard Hill on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Lol... the Bills are trying

The Pats have been a great example of how to build a successful team. The Dolphins are currently working on that same model. The Jets are in full Snyder mode.

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by The Earl on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha!! the bills!! hahaha

maybe they should check out the UFL…

jets suck!

by colinmc82 on Jul 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Canadian league?

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by Alpha6 on Jul 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

not quite. i believe there are 4 teams and its in the US. it's where culpepper is now.

there are a bunch of scrubs and has beens in that league. denny greene is coaching one of the teams.

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by colinmc82 on Jul 20, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hear ya. which is why i made it a point of saying that a 3 point win wouldn't have been the same

….and that regardless of Matt Cassel, the Pats D was the same, and Fins offensive production is what really had the impact on this team.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL
The Bills are also a football team. I think.

They will be tough once they get their lines in order.

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by 54 on Jul 20, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome post, rec'd

1. much, much better
2. yes, we dont have TOO many big egos in the locker room
3. ive been saying it since day one, if rex ryan can handle all the big egos of all the big names in that locker room, they will be great. if not, they will be average

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by finzrule on Jul 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

As far as team chemistry goes....

I like how B Marsh came in right away and talked up Chad Henne because even if he lied he’s building up good chemistry between Chad and himself. How much of a confidence booster it must be to hear the best WR in the league say you have a better arm than Cuttler! I haven’t heard anything like that from the jets. Sanchez gets his praise through the media and even though that’s great for building confidence I dnt think it builds chemistry.

by westcoastdolphin on Jul 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

praise through the media only builds ego, not chemistry

The Jest will fail because of the clash of titan ego’s

I suspect it starts after our first game against them when we win. Jabba the Ryan has built the Jest to beat the Phins. When we get to 4 straight W’s over them they may find him crying in a corner of his office (just because he takes up all 8,000 sq ft won’t mean he isn’t in the corner)

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He takes up ALL the corners... LOL

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by The Earl on Jul 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly my point Earl - LOL

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just added some emphasis...

Jabba the Ryan… That’s classic!

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by The Earl on Jul 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

the office is square and the door is an entire wall

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately it is true!

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have a foundation of youth

and I think that youth tends to gel better than new veterans, since they all grow together in the same program over time.

That said, there will be some great chemistry on the team both offensively and defensively. I’m personally hoping that it translates to great success on the field.

As for the rest of the division (I’m growing loathesome of all the Jets talk by Fins fans…lets not fan their egos by repeating the hype)…

Bills – and this is just my opinion – probably won’t be as bad as people think. True, the QB position looks shaky and they really didn’t address their offensive line. But if they bring the same workmanlike attitude to the field that they usually do, they could be formidable enough to eke out 6 or 7 wins this year.

Pats have a lot of team chemistry in the longer standing veterans, but the rookies and newer guys need to be able to fill those roles that they were assigned to. I think old Bill has a good track record of finding such players and I expect a typical Pats season this year (Though they did look old and slow in the playoffs last year – perhaps time is catching up with them, but I think they are still strong for a playoff spot).

The Jets are an enigma. They played well for Ryan last year, but they are truly a group of veterans from different teams and with different mindsets. If all the players they signed were hungry for a championship, I could see giving them all the SB hype…but some of these guys are situational at best and expected to carry the load…and some of these guys have a ring from elsewhere…I just see the team as mediocre or average…just waiting for a younger, hungrier team to slap them down once, really hard, and thus end their season hopes.

I’ll take our team chemistry over all of the rivals, this year and in the immediate future. Our future looks bright as long as we continue the winning culture while these guys are still growing.

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by mikem1224 on Jul 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I think this is a great point:
We have a foundation of youth
and I think that youth tends to gel better than new veterans, since they all grow together in the same program over time.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Chris Clemons would be a good example of that.

If Clemons can hold his own, that’s our secondary for the next decade. That’s just plain scary!

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by The Earl on Jul 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well said!

and rec’d

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talent is much better

But we have young players that are close friends and help each other out so we still have great chemistry. Even Marshall has become best friends with Bess.

by KOdy the KIng on Jul 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

1. the talent is certainly better than 2008. heck ill go as far as to say we are better than any year of the past decade.

2. i think the dolphins will dovelop great chemistry this year, especially if they are a winning team.(which they will be)

3. i think the jets will go with their record… if they win alot of games they will appear to have great chemistry, however if they start losing games i think they will fall apart.

by crf163 on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

this is what i think as well:
3. i think the jets will go with their record… if they win alot of games they will appear to have great chemistry, however if they start losing games i think they will fall apart.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post, Lefty!

I am not worried about “legal issues”…football players are like cops—when a cop goes wrong the rest of the police force stands behind the guy (besides which, Merling and McDaniel aren’t even starters, Brown and Allen’s DUIs are victimless crimes, and Hartline’s deal is just plain weird). How often have “legal issues” messed up a locker room?

I don’t think “character” is an issue either. “Character” is for individuals. “Chemistry” is for the team and I think they’ll have that (but again, if things go south early or late, that could change and I think that’s what happened last year, which was why Porter and th eothers were let go, and the FO didn’t go all out to sign JT).

Leadership could be an issue, but that should work itself out as the season goes on.

To answer the question, I don’t think one can say this team has good chemistry until the season gets underway, and then we find out, but I do think the chemistry should be good.

Can’t really compare Jets to 2000 Skins, because the Jets have most of their core players from the draft, unlike the 2000 Skins. Other than Holmes and Cromartie (who were trades not FA signings), the rest of those new vet players will not be starters…what could bring the Jets down, however, is if LT or JT get it into their heads that they OUGHT to start and cause trouble that way. I guess we’ll find out this year if having too much talent can be a blessing or a curse.

by snorky on Jul 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

thx snorky!

i think that character and chemistry are related, in that there is an element of trust in establishing chemistry, and that it hard to establish without character. So, not to delve too deep into it, I think your point about the guys not being starter is very pertinent.

I think if your core starters have character, they can elevate the other guys around them. And so a few guys having legal problems do not have to impact the team chemistry.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

"How often have "legal issues" messed up a locker room?" Two Words.....

Michael Vick

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true...

But Vick was the QB and face of the franchise. Guys like McDaniel and Merling are fringe guys. If it were a situation with Henne, Long, Marshall, or guys like that, then I think it would be a bigger deal.

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by The Earl on Jul 20, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a DUI, like one that happened to WA and RB,

doesn’t compare to a dog fighting ring. just sayin’

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by PotM on Jul 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

See Leonard Little...

DUI is taken way too lightly in this society. Not that dog fighting is OK either, but we shouldn’t be comparing offenses as much as recognizing both of these behaviors as outright wrong and harmful.

by Natalya on Jul 20, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree...

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by The Earl on Jul 20, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a semi-relevant note

Who exactly is appearing to lead the FS battle? I’ve heard mixed rumors between Clemons and Culver, that Jones was looking awful, that Jones was looking great, etc.

by Farorefox on Jul 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It's Clemons right now.

But I’d wait until the pads go on to really start seeing the depth chart pan out at FS.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to say "thank you" to everyone for the positive responses!

i was a bit more nervous about posting this than when i just write a sidebar fanpost. =)

Also, if i had to take a general swag at the direction of the answers to the questions, it looks like they are generally shaking out as:
1) much more talented this season
2) that most folks think the chemistry will be good; better with JP gone, but 2008 is too much to hope for
3) as much as we hate to say it, Ryan tends to help foster good chemistry among the team, but many of us feel that it is fragile at best.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

and a great recap as well Lefty!

I am sooooooo glad that JPrincess is gone!

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post

the 2010 jets are the epitome of the Redskins. Watch them underachieve, and crash and burn as Rex Ryan takes the heat and crashes into an inferno

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by BSerious72 on Jul 20, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

but Jabba the Ryan would simply smother that inferno

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep yep

I posted once how humbling sparano and co. are after a loss. Fortunately for us Rex never gives credit to the opposing team, therefore once the jets hit a skid, I see a complete meltdown.

by ricenbeans82 on Jul 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jabba the Ryan can not give credit to the opposing team

otherwise when Phins swept the Jest last year . . .

And then he would also have to give credit to the opposing team when Jest win – see, Bungles and Dolts in the Jest last 2 games last year.

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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 20, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skip Bayless right now saying

Jets are overrated, poor RBs and he isn’t sold on Sanchez. I’m pretty surprised, usually Skip is a rear end in a top hat.

by Skips OCD on Jul 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree.

He reminds me of Colin Cowherd. They both say what is on their mind regardless of what other media outlets think. Sometimes they are completely wrong, and other times they couldn’t be more right. But at least you know they are speaking their mind unlike someone like Mel Kiper who just goes off everyone else’s opinion.

by vaneasy2338 on Jul 20, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

terms of talent, how much better do you think this years Miami Dolphins are than the 2008 squad?
2.Do you think the Dolphins will have team chemistry this season?
3.Do you think the Jets will have team chemistry this year, or will they end up being the 2010 version of the 2000 Redskins?

1.)by far alot better talent. the reason i say this is because most of our back ups could be quality starters on teams like the lions, rams and raiders. and be an upgrade.
2.)absolutly yes and the reason i say this is because when the two biggest nfl bad boys(marshall and incognito) can come in and get welcomed with open arms and a warning.,….mess up and your held accountable. players must check themselves at the door before entering a team atmosphere. they will bond or wont be on the roster.
3.)they will absolutly be the 2000 redskins all for the simple fact that they are more worried about getting paid as the best player in the league rather than focus on team drills in mini camp. that right there shows, a me first personality rather than a team first mentality

by miamirulez23518 on Jul 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

i think the jets are the most nieve fans in the league… i mean how many times do you have to hear your coach say were going to the superbowl…(only to be watching it on tv at the end of the year), do you finally get smart and realize its all just a smoke screen. i mean come on you get rid of one of the best guards in the game and your 1000 yard rusher and you still think your a contender???? come on really….seriously these nieve jets fans would believe any thing you told them. im so sick of these overrated jet fans tooting there horn on a free ride into the play offs. just makes me laugh when i hear a jets fan pretend like they have dominated the division for years when the sad fact is they have been nothing but bottom feeders for the past 3 decades. what a jokethey are

by miamirulez23518 on Jul 21, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

That's such a stereotype

All Jets fans are naive? It’s naive to make conclusions when you don’t know what the Jet’s have lost. They lost an aging guard who gave up the most sacks last season for a guard. Also, I think everyone knows this has been the Patriots division the last 10 years… Ok past the rant. This was one of the better articles i’ve read, good job. Rec’d

by Jerrad p on Jul 22, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

No the stereotype is that all Jets fans are classless. I would say not all but as far as the ones

that I have encountered that its the vast majority.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks man!

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that now Henne has more time to develop chemistry with HIS team

and with better talent around him we will ultimately be better

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