2010 Training Camp Primer: Dolphins feature plenty of competition along offensive line
When training camp opens up in just over two weeks, one of the most intriguing story lines will center around the big men up front. While we all know the Dolphins are set at both the starting left and right tackle spot, the interior offensive line is very much up in the air. But for the first time in years, the interior isn't in flux because of a dearth of talent. Instead, the Dolphins have set themselves up with outstanding depth at the center and guard positions.
This means two things. One - the Dolphins wouldn't have to scramble around as much as some other teams out there if they were unfortunate enough to suffer an injury or two along the interior line. And two - we will have some very entertaining competitions for starting jobs.
If you like watching the battle in the trenches, then you will love the 2010 preseason - as well as training camp if you are lucky enough to attend some practices.
I'd be crazy to sit here and attempt to figuring out how these competitions will play out. But here is what you need to know when the hitting goes live in a couple weeks.
Right Guard
As far as we can tell from OTAs and mini-camp, the right guard position will be a battle between Donald Thomas and newcomer Richie Incognito. Two years ago, Thomas was considered a "God-send" as a late-round pick who won the starting job out of training camp. But his rookie season ended early with a foot injury in week one. Thomas then played in all 16 games in 2009 but started only 12 before losing some snaps. He's considered one of the physically strongest linemen on the team. Now entering his third year, it's time for Donald to take his game to the next level if he wants to hold off the veteran who comes to Miami via St. Louis and Buffalo.
I'm talking about Incognito, of course. The talented - but troubled - veteran is here in Miami on a one year deal with a chance to prove that he's finally gotten his anger issues under control. It's been those issues that have cost him throughout his five year career. His talent is really unquestioned. He's big, strong, and plays with the kind of nasty streak Tony Sparano loves. If he can harness his impulsive on-field actions and resist the temptation to take dumb penalties, Incognito is a great fit for this team and is probably the favorite to win the starting job.
Left Guard
On the other side, there have been two guys who have been rotating to win the starting spot once held by Justin Smiley. Rookie John Jerry has been rotating with free acquisition Cory Procter this offseason as the starting left guard. Jerry, a third round pick, is a very big guy who projects as a mauling run-blocker. The question about Jerry is how quickly he can get acclimated to the speed of the game at this level.
Procter, meanwhile, comes to Miami after spending his first five seasons in Dallas - which means he has obvious ties to this coaching staff, especially Tony Sparano. He's got the versatility this regime likes, though he's spent all of his time in Miami at guard. He was an 11 game starter in '08 before working strictly as a backup in '09. He was highly sought after in free agency, with the Patriots and Broncos hosting him on visits before he arrived in Miami and signed a contract. I'm very curious to see him play with my own eyes this preseason. Until then, I'm not too sure what the Dolphins have in Cory.
Center
At center, the Dolphins will have an open competition between Jake Grove and Joe Berger. Grove was signed last offseason and played exceptionally well in the first ten games before he fell victim to what he has always struggled with - injuries. Berger, who was with Sparano in Dallas before joining Miami, started at center over the last six weeks of 2009. While he didn't perform poorly by any means, he wasn't nearly as effective as Grove - especially against the bigger nose tackles. That's probably part of the reason why the Dolphins saw a significant drop off in rush yards per game once Grove was replaced by Berger.
These two have been alternating with the first team offense all offseason. So it'll be interesting to see how this battle shapes up.
The "X Factor"
One of the most unheralded members of this team is the versatile Nate Garner. Garner has been a forgotten man during the offseason since he had to miss all of the offseason recovering from foot surgery. But this coaching staff is a big fan of his. He's got the size this staff loves (6'7, 325) and is as versatile as an offensive lineman can be. Last year, Garner worked at both guard spots, center, and even right tackle (and he did so all in one game). He's best suited for one of the two guard spots. And if he's healthy for the start of camp, he could very much be in the mix to start.
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what an improvement!
Hadnot, Mckinney, St Claire,McDougall…really wasn’t that long ago!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Also, I am a huge fan of Adrian Zmed! Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock!
by phatfinfan on Jul 14, 2010 6:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nop! just 3 years ago : (
Thank god is in the past ; )
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
Amen to that.....
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Haha, wow, I almost forgot about that.
Kind of wish I had.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Jul 14, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh god, Damion "No Ankles" Macintosh.
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I pray
that Corey Proctor doesn’t get a starting job. Two of my good friends are Cowboys fans (I live in Canada, so there really isn’t any geographic allegiance to the NFL), and when I asked them what I needed to know about Proctor they couldn’t answer me until they got through about 5 minutes of laughing. Apparently he has no love from Cowboys fans (an admittedly brutal group of fans, but still).
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Jul 14, 2010 7:27 AM EDT reply actions
CLEVELAND DID THE SAME TO LEBRON JAMES, GET THE PICTURE
THE 70,S ARE FINALLY BACK. WELCOME TO THE FINS NEW SB ERA, 2010-
by fin4three5yrs on Jul 14, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you seriously just compare Corey Proctor to Lebron James?
Also, no, it isn’t the same thing. Cleveland Fans are mad Lebron is gone. Cowboys fans are happy Proctor is gone.
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Jul 14, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL...
Cory’s name makes me think and laugh too….
Procter and Gambel?
Or Proctologist………
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lmao.................
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Nothing like the James situation.
No one over to the Cowboys blog here on SBN liked Proctor even when he was on the Cowboys roster. They complained whenever his name was mentioned. DO a seasrch over there for his name.. you will find ZERO good things about him from the Dallas fans on the Cowboys SBN page.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
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by MainePhinFan on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I've heard.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
we need to find a guy with the last name gamble to line up with him.........
Just one man's opinion...
"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009
"mark my words...we will draft 4 new linebackers this off-season" - 2010
Whoever starts, we'll have one of the biggest lines in the NFL...
Starters:
Long 6’7" 320
Jerry 6’5" 328
Grove 6’4" 300
Incognito 6’3" 325
Carey 6’5" 3340
Reserves:
Garner 6’7" 325
Thomas 6’4" 310
Berger 6’5" 315
Proctor 6’4" 311
We need to give these guys a nickname of some sort.
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*Carey 6'5" 340
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LOL, yeah, or he'd be a Rihno....
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THE HAMMERHEAD SHARKS
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by fin4three5yrs on Jul 14, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Sharks are afraid of dolphins, we need something meaner
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by phinnyhenne28 on Jul 14, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
how about the miami mountain men.. lord knows they all mountain sized men.
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
I like this^
They should all grow beards also.
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I like and think your first line-up...
… will be the new front line.
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I remember a nickname the o-line discussion on Omar’s blog early last year, and that’s the one I liked.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jul 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that was the name for the defense....
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which defense?
Do you mean one historically? Because it was definitely thrown around on the O-line discussion last season on Omar’s blog—I remember it because my girlfriend and I made an o-line sign with that on it for the vs Panthers game (among other signs, which gave the Panthers fans around us fits lol), and we got the idea from that blog.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jul 14, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm wrong....
Miami Pound Machine – Nickname for the 1980s Dolphins defense, named in honor of Gloria Estefan’s group “Miami Sound Machine.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_nicknames
Under “Other”…. I can find more if you need…
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Aww that's too bad.
Don’t remember that D in person, sad to say—too young at the time. Love the name, though. Nobody brought that up on Omar’s blog at the time, strangely.
Guess that proves which site has the more knowledgeable fan base, lol
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I never heard that Miami Vise one though.
which is good, because it’s kind of lame.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my porn name
The Texas-Montana-Florida connection.
by jupiterfins on Jul 14, 2010 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Um, because you pounded it?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 14, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I Like Donald Thomas
I think he’ll win a starting job on the interior line. I think Jerry will be the eventual replacment for Carry and Proctor is here moreso to push Jake Grove as oppose to the gaurd position.
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Thomas really struggled in pass protection
Keeping Henne upright is much more important than running the football. I will take a drop in run production from the guard position if it means better pass protection for Henne.
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If Henne gets hurt the season is over. Keeping him upright is the OL's most important function.
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If that is Parcells philosophy, the Phins will LOSE, LOSE, LOSE!
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Payton, the HC of the reigning SB champs said
you pass the ball to score, you run the ball to win. You need to be able to run the ball to win, just ask Marino and Peyton.
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Regardless of who plays RG, the Phins will be able to run the ball
They were top 4 last year without Grove for 1/4 of the season and without the great Thomas starting for 4 of those games. To my knowledge, Thomas didn’t start those games because of any injury, he did play. He didn’t start because he couldn’t pass protect.
The Phins will be a top 10 running team this year. That’s good enough. But for this team to take the next step into becoming a dominant offense it needs to greatly improve the passing attack. To do that the QB needs to be protected.
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Let's look at some stats.
R. Incognito:
2008: 5 sacks, 2 QB hits, 10 QB pressures. 896 snaps
2009: 3 sacks, 1 QB hits, 4 QB pressures. 518 snaps
D. Thomas:
2009: 5 sacks, 8 QB hits, 10 QB pressures. 933 Snaps.
If either G gets a large amount of snaps, they give up the same amount of sacks
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Also, the difference between them is that D. Thomas still has upside.
As he is in just his 2nd year
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While he did rank 2nd in Saks given up for all guards, 8th in qb hits, he did rank
43rd in QB pressures in 2009.
Incognito gave up just as many sacks in 2008. I’ll let it slide if he improves this year, keep in mind, he was injured most of his rookie year and that was his second year in the league. Sparano said that the game is starting to slow down for Thomas, so I will look for him to be much better this year.
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you might, but the coaching staff won't. Not their philosophy AT ALL
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jul 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it is. Protecting the QB, the most important position in sports, better be their philosophy.
Because if you don’t, you don’t win. Do they want to see Pat White play? Do they want a no right arm Pennington play? Thigpen? Look at the win / loss record of back-up QB’s. It is not good.
Like it or not, the running game is irrelevant. The success of the Phins offense is based on how well Henne plays. And for him to play well he needs to be protected.
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"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Just listen to Sparano
And look at the players they pick. This is a RUN FIRST team, and our O-line’s skill set reflects that. Do we need good, clutch QB play? And do you want to keep said QB healthy? Obviously. Only an idiot wouldn’t, and, thank the football gods, our team is no longer run by idiots.
But every team—or at least, every good team—has an identity, a core set of beliefs/attributes that they follow to become a winner. Our team’s identity is pretty clear—run the ball. control the line of scrimmage. control the clock. hit harder than our opponent.
Everyone wants the linemen to be great at both things, but if Sparano is choosing between two guys who are each great at only either run blocking or pass protection, and passable at the other, He’s going to choose the great run blocker/passable pass protector every time. And he should, because that’s consistent with the team’s identity.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This "RUN FIRST" mentality has got to go.
Do you have to be able to run the ball? Absolutely! But to be successful as an offense, you HAVE TO HAVE A DYNAMIC PASSING ATTACK! Why do you think the Vikings went after Favre last year and the Jets went after him the year before? Because they know that offense in today’s NFL starts and stops with the QB and that QB making big plays in the passing game. To do that you need protection.
As I said above, the Phins will be a very good rushing team this year. But if it means going from top 4 in rushing to top 10 to better protect Henne, I would do that in a heartbeat.
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I don't agree
There is nothing wrong with the run first mentality. In fact, if our defense struggles, that is the best strategy we can use. Run the ball, control the clock, keep our defense off the field. Miami doesn’t need a great deal of yards through the air for it to be successful, they just need the threat to actually do it through the air if they need to. With the addition of Marshall, they have taken a step towards that direction.
Also, running the ball and keeping
the defense off the field keeps the defense fresh, meaning the defense will play better when they are on the field.
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You could also say scoring points quickly, getting up 2+ td's in the 1st half does the exact same thing.
That makes the opposing teams offense one dimensional because they are behind, which in turn makes your defense better. That’s how the Colts, Pats, Saints, etc. play. They are dynamic on offense, score points quickly and put the other team in a hole, helping their suspect defenses play better.
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Scoring quickly
keep the defense on the field….
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dont agree
we dont need to change our mentality, we just need to make sure that we have versatility in the pass game. our ability to milk the clock and pound the ball is amazing, where we have problems is getting a crucial first down through the air. if we can get a little more consistency through the air we will be fine. we have big play capability now with Bmarsh. all we need to do is get some confidence an henne and be able to protect him this way we can have a chance at scoring quickly when were down late in the game. which is something we couldnt do, we only won when we were ahead, theres the exception of the jets game, but were not good from coming from behind. but the run game is our bread and butter, we dare not get away from it, we just need to improve elsewhere
by Vince Zitano on Jul 16, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
USE ALL OF THEM DURING GAMES, THEY TOO WILL BEAT DL'S INTO SUBMISSION
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by uncle finster on Jul 14, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh heh heh...
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Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
I think they will use a few guards each game.
I can see them putting Thomas in to start and RG and soften the DL with his run blocking then changing to Garner, who is a better pass blocker, later in the game. This could explain why they are alternating 6 guys in and out of the starting 3 spots.
Although I know "gelling" is crucial on the OL
You’d think a rotation similar to a DL would keep guys fresher…..
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My prediction
If Jerry does well I want the lil fella on the line
Long Jerry(Garner) Grove Incognito Cary
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
The key to right guard
is pulling. Whoever can pull off the line, and get to their block best will win the starting job. This team loves to pull their right guard. I hope Incognito gets LG and Thomas takes RG since Thomas is the strongest and great at run blocking.
but didn't Smiley pull the most last season, as a LG?
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jul 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah mixed them up
Incognito gets RG and Thomas takes LG
So you want Incognito to play, well, incognito.
At least as far as penalties are concerned. He’s probably gotten the “you’re out of chances” talk elsewhere, and coming in, I’m sure he heard the “final chance” talk from Parcells.
Either he gets it right, or he’s an idiot. The season will tell which it is.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 14, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
Be funny to see those two on the same team.
TO: But that’s sniff my quarterback, man.
Rich: You’re pissing me off! SLAM!
TO: But that’s sniff my spleen, man.
Rich: Shut up! SLAM!
TO passes out.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 14, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Any chance on you guys grabbing TO? Please?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he should think about playing defense.
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