The three most overrated Miami Dolphins

I hope he finishes this whole season, otherwise I don’t expect to see him in a Dolphin jersey much longer.

Only because I really haven’t heard much raving about him. I think it’s more intrigue than anything in his case. My vote would be for Jake Grove. I think Grove is a good but not great center regardless of his health. IMHO, the overall offensive scheme fits his stregnths better than Oakland’s did, and that’s why he’s been more effective here.

It seems that we all fell in love with him in the Carolina game, but then ignored his lack of production in every subsequent game. Carolina just wasn’t that good and Lex hasn’t proven he is either.

An oft injured star.
A back with 23 career rushing attempts.
and a second year player with 11 games experience?

We had a 7-9 record with a number of spectacular 4th quarter collapses and no-one names a defensive (Channing Crowder) starter?

i would have to put

channing crowder
cameron wake
ricky williams

You know damn well Ronnie is not overrated. When Ronnie is on the field he is one of the best in the league, so there is no denying his talent

Vernon Carey
Will Allen
Joey Porter (oh yeah, forgot they told that big-mouthed, over-rated asshat to pack his sh!t, hehe)

Actually its hard to find overrated players on this team. The Trifecta doesn’t play that.

I completely agree with your analysis of all these players, I just don’t think the term overrated applies to Ronnie and Clemons.

IMO I don’t think injury prone and overrated are synonymous, and Clemons has very high hopes riding on his back, but I don’t think that makes him overrated necessarily.

To me it would be,

Brian Hartline; Nice scrappy WR who caught 31 balls last year, problem is many think he is already the 2nd best WR on the team, without having caught 1 more pass, lol.

Lex Hilliard; You nailed it on this one IMO.

Kory Sheets; Same deal as Hilliard, except we know even less.

the FO has done a really good in getting rid of the “Overrated” and over paid players in my opinion, and the few that are left, had better perform during the preseason or they will be kicked to the curb also.

Is the fact that Ronnie is my fav Phin, and I agree he is the most overrated..His character speaks louder than his ability to play 16 games..I took a liking to his style because he got up from every play(mostly) and he was smiling..shows you the kind of guy he is….the same reason I dont like Payton Manning…too much blame/bitching..but funny in his commercials….

The only one I can see on that list being accurate is Lex Hilliard. By now, I think most Dolphin fans know the reality of Ronnie Brown. He has shown he is a great back because he performs well in all areas blocking, running, and catching. As great of a player he is, we all know we can lose him on any Sunday. Being injury prone is different than being overrated.

I don’t agree with Clemons because the majority still view the FS as a question mark and I haven’t seen many people showing much confidence in Clemons. I think the opinion of him is he has the physical skills, but he needs to show more growth in the system and cut down on mental mistakes.

Here is my top 3:

Jake Grove – He is a good started, but is not necessarily a great starter. After all, it’s not even set in stone he will be our starter. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Joe Berger steal his position at some point.

Brian Hartline – As someone mentioned earlier, he has shown promise, but let’s not claim him a good #2 just yet. Has he shown promise? Absolutely. Will I settle for a repeat of his numbers for a #2 WR? No. I have hopes for him, but I think some people are praising him too much too soon.

Cameron Wake – Same for above. Wake has shown a lot of potential in his limited playing time and we know he was the most effective rusher when he was on the field? So what is the problem? It’s one thing to have those numbers when he plays on passing downs only. We don’t know how he will perform on first and second downs and in situations where he needs to cover the run and drop into coverage. Rushing the passer is different too when you’re playing 50 snaps per game instead of 10. He won’t be so fresh if he turns into a starting OLB and can he still show the same intensity blitzing the QB i nthe 4th quarter when not only is the OL worn down, but he is too? Again, he has tons of potential, but he has yet to go out and prove it and we already have people expecting between 15-20 sacks for him.

I actually don’t fully disagree with the Ricky Williams pick. Is he a great #2? Yes, but I hope we don’t have to rely on him again this year. Williams did rush for over 1,000 yards last year, but his production did fall a bit towards the end of last season. He won’t be able to be a full-time starter again this year. This is why it’s important for Ronnie to stay healthy.

100%, Is the most overrated.

I saw a pic of him with his belly hanging out. The guy doesn’t even keep himself in tip top shape and therefore he plays like a slow, non-asset Linebacker.

Ronnie is NOT overrated – He is a stud RB when healthy… And we have asked him to do a LOT. Clemons – Can’t be overrated yet he is not even been named the starter yet !
And how can a backup RB be overrated ???
My top 3
1. Crowder – has started for years with little impact – Only decent against the run
     He is way overrated and will be gone in 2 years i think.
2. Phillip Merling – number 33 overall draft pick (maybe 5 career sacks ?)
    Lost job to Randy Starks last year – enough said…
3. Vernon Carey – good player – but not great…so a little overrated

Ronnie is injury prone, not overrated—when he’s healthy he’s great.
Lex Hilliard hasn’t played enough to make the “overated” determination…same with Clemons (and why did the awful Gibril play last year instead of Clemons? I can think of 25 million reasons…)

Carey is overated? he played as well as a pro-bowler last year. Crowder is overated? Last two years, when he went down the Phins couldn’t stop the run. Grove overated? Would you rather have Satele? Hartline? Again, played well when he had the chance (or is it because his competition, Camerillo, is do underated?) And Ricky? Not after getting 1,000 yards as a second stringer! Merling I can’t rate because as far as I’m concerned if he beat up a pregnant woman he needs to be kicked off the team, overated or not (which he is, of course…in fact him and McDaniel are the only truly overated players on the team. Since I’m a woman what else do you expect me to say?)

I know the guy is crazy talented and makes great plays, but he also gets beat a lot and is sometimes a liablity on defense. It seems a lot of people on this site think he is better than Sean Smith and I don’t see that at all. Down the road, our corners could become as good as Madison/Surtain, but right now they are not even close.

And Channing Crowder, I think Dolfans UNDERRATE him. I know he had a down year last year, but the whole defense did and when he was playing our defense was better, plain and simple.

You must be stupid Ronnie Brown Is our best player….There are a lot of dolphins who could make this list and the main one is Jason Allen…Check the stats or you could go wit Channing Crowder lack of tackles for loss an terrible in the passing game……..

There’s no way Brown is overrated. He is Injury prone but when healthy he is a beast. An overated player to me is someone like Mike Vick, in his prime. If this were a list of most injury prone then Ronnie might top it.

My three begin with Chad Henne. Yes he put up a good season last year. But that’s it. It was “just” good; not spectacular, not great. Potential? Yes. But P Turner had potential too. Many are ready to crown this guy with greatness, yet he has shown only average stats, and still has lots to learn about defenses, reads, accuracy and decision making.

C Crowder: AJ Edds on his knees can cover better. Channing has created a new position… the “Wifflebacker”.

C Anderson: In as many years as this guy has played he has yet to make anything happen on the field. The only people that seem high on him are Coach Sparano and maybe Jeff Ireland. That’s it. Haven’t heard anyone else cover this guy like some of the other potentialy great players on the roster.

They have been showing some promise so people have been talking about them alot. I might be a reason for Lex being on their because I believe that if the R&R express leaves next year that he could start.

I do believe that those of you who think Hilliard is overated will be back tracking on that at years end. He had a couple decent games last year. The one that sticks out to me the most because I saw it on NFL network here recently, was when we played Houston and we were down by a good bit and Lex scored I know at least twice and had a productive game. I think he gets called in to get those yards just out of the Lou “the Monsters” range (3 and 4+) or When Ricky was resting. I like his style of running and I can remember him in the Houston game Bulldozing CB’s.
How can any of you not support putting Channing Crowder on this list.
I believe he is the most overated loudmouth on this team. How can you not put him on this list, but can quickly put Wake on this list. ( for some of you)
Channing has been in the leauge long enough that he should be putting up better numbers than he has. Especially last year. When the safeties have more tackles than you, in my opion the LB’s aren’t doing there jobs.
Wake is a playmaker it doesn’t matter how many snaps he gets, he makes plays. If Wake doesn’t improve this year than I can see him being added to this list next year, but with his work ethic and determination to “Make it”, I don’t see it happening.

Yes, Channing can stop the run, but can’t cover anyone coming out of the back field for S*%T. I believe for what he’s gettting paid he needs to be on the top of this list. Either way he’ll be getting replaced shortly anyway as Dobbins will steal his job. Just my opionion.

I think most people realized after Hill’s second game that he’ll probably be a back-up for most of his career. While I reallllly wanna see Sheets in there and see what he can do, alot of people’s expectations are still way too high.

Channing Crowder – who has a mouth/hype that his game can’t nearly equal
Ronnie Brown – shoulda’, coulda’, woulda, but ronnie just can’t stay on the field long enough
Jake Grove – solid in the middle but getting more jingle than what he’s worth imo

(in that order)

1. Gerbil
2. Porter
3. Grove and Smiley (too much $$$$)
4. Brown

I would agree with Ronnie, the best thing about him is his hands, other than that I dont think he is all that. Ricky is better now and will always be.To soon to call Clemons a good player like you said he could not even start over GW. Lex is what he is , a soild back up that may grow to be better, but he ran like crazy over a bunch of 3rd stringers in preseason trying to make a team. Now i will put something down and get bashed but hey, here we go, Henne is over-rated. Untill he proves he can do it we all are just handing him the golden child rating. He has a lot to prove to be good. Last year he made alot of great plays , but also tank a ton. So untill he can produce like a NFL QB he is still over-rated. Yes I know he is young and new but this will be his year to show if he is the one or just hype. Now I hope he is “THE ONE” , but you have to prove it. So let the bashing begin!

Lefty posted some good points to my ranking. Dude – you may have won me over on Ronnie – I suppose health does matter.. But what really hits home is his #2 overall draft status. I really agree with that – we get to expect more from higher picks. Even though injuries have slowed him down – He has not lived up to the expectations. 5 seasons and one 1,000 yd year is hard to argue…. but my #1 is still Crowder… for a starter he is way overrated. He had time next to Zach and didnt learn much – I expect he will dissappear next to Dansby again… mark it down… then Dobbins replaces him.

1. Brown agreed. #1 talent. I think the injury thing has to do more with bad luck. Sadly it keeps happening
2. Hilliard. I give lots of props to Hillard. But it isn’t for his running it’s for his blocking.
3. Clemons. I think the reason he wasn’t able to beat out Wilson had to do with many things. First was Wilson contract grantee him the spot. Being a rookie 5th round didn’t help his cause, and the learning curve.

My list. Most are going to hate it.
1. Bess. I hate both fumbles recovered(4) and not recovered(2) and Bess had six total last year. My reason for hating fumbles recovered is that the fumble can kill the momentum of a drive. I think Cam>Bess. But, Bess has a bigger following for some reason. IMO He’s good, but not great like many believe. Overrated.
2. R. Williams. One of my favorite players and he can be a 1000 yard back again. But he fumbled down the stretch. 5 total. He probably wore down because his avg yards in the last two games fell to 3.5 and 2.6 respectively. So if Brown goes down again can we really rely on his back-up as a full time player?
3. V. Carey. Great 95% of the time. 5% of the time he forgets he’s an OT. I’ve seen people come through way to easily. It’s like he’s taking a breather or something.

of their most overrated players this past off-season. Joey Porter from the time he signed in 2007 had been our most overrated player. In fact, I believe he is one of the most overrated defenders of the 2000’s. Also, Akin Ayodele has always been overrated in the league, and the fact Josh McDaniels sees him as a viable candidate to start in Denver is laughable. And Ted Ginn Jr. is vastly overrated as a return man. I would rather start a drive consistenltly between the 25-30 yardline then have a guy give me a return TD once in a blue moon. Ginn has little open field skill, he is just faster then everyone. If thats all it took Jeremy Bloom would still be in the league.

The fact that Ronnie Brown, an oft-injured but very talented player, is our most overrated is indicitive of how good this team is. Ronnie Brown is actually a very good player. Overrated is a player perceived by the masses to be better then he actually is. We just don’t have many players like that on this team, if any. Brown in alot of was is actually underrated, in the sense that people outside of South Florida probably don’t realize he has an elite skill set if not for his unfortunate string of injuries.

3) Everyone is a Hall of Famer for the Jets… even next year’s draft pick!

2) Every player, coach, GM, owner, physician, equipment custodian, and water boy are vastly underrated. The waterboy even had sub-4.4 speed getting from the sideline to the huddle.

1) Rex Ryan would invade the post to debate which donuts are overrated.

Rex Ryan (RR): The marble donut is vastly overrated in my book…
Mike Tannenbaum (MT): Rex, are you holding the Dunkin Donuts menu again? Damnit… where is your freaking playbook?
RR: Yeah… I left it in Denver. You know, I think the Boston Creme is perhaps the most underrated. Mmm… Boston Creme.
MT: Damnit Rex! We’re in the middle of a game!
RR: Timeout Ref! Hey LT, go run and get me a Boston Kreme will ya?

As noted above, our FO really likes solid working guys. Camarillo is a great example. No one will confuse him with Andre Johnson. But everyone knows that he is just incredibly consistent. and you know what you get with him. That seems true with all of our players. Our top players are also consistently top. We know Marshall is the beast and theat Jake Long is one of the best young LTs in the game. I don’t think ronnie Brown is overrated anymore. The OP himself is prrof of it as a self-confessed Brown fan. Everyone knows his problem is injuries.

that being said I will offer up 4 players who I believe are overrated in some sense based on the fact that people assume potential and expectation is already the reality. They are Bess, Henne, Wake, Davis and Smith.

Bess – There are plenty of fans who say Bess is Wes Welker take 2. Yes he has many of the skills (although is not as good a punt returner) and indeed, his stats in his second year mirror those of Welker’s second Dolphins season and in some ways exceed them. Bess may become Welker-like and catch 100+ passes etc, or perhaps could be Welker already if he were on the pats (perish the thought). I love Bess and want to see more out of him but he isn’t Welker yet. YET! So in one sense overrated, but only because of legitimate potential. That is not to take away from the fact that he lead the AFC in 3rd down conversions and has been clutch in many circumstances, rather I am saying fans that claim he is as good as Welker as of his current body of work are overrating him
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Henne – He showed some amazing abilities last season. Threw 17 straight completions. Had some great passes in some clutch cisrcumstances. Some fans have claimed he is an elite QB, other guarantee he will be. We don’t know yet. Certainly there is very very very good reason to hope but we still don’t know. So he is “overrated” because many fans rate him for something he hasn’t accomplished yet a may not actually accomplish.

Wake – Many fans are sure he will have 17 sacks this season. He did have a great sack per play rate last season true, but again he has yet to produce (see a pattern). he could be awesome or he could be a good pass rusher who can’t stop the run or drop back in coverage and therefore doesn’t get to play that much.

Davis and Smith – Many fans say we are set with a tandem at corner that will remind us of Madison and Surtain. True they both showed some very good flashes last season. True they were rookies thrown into the game and handled it as well as can be expected especially with no help up top. True they can and should do much better this season. But they also made plenty of mistakes and showed many errors in judgment. If they can’t improve on them then the rating we call “the next Madison and Surtain” will not come to fruition, although of course they may very well live up to the hype.

In all of these cases we are talking about young players who many fans rate as great based on signs of potential rather than actual execution. So this isn’t classic “overrated”- ness. These players are potentially overrated but they are also potentially accurately rated we just don;t know yet. The main difference? If a player like brandon Marshall has a ho-hum average WR season, we will be really surprised. If Smith or Davis play like they did last season we won’t be too surprised. Dissappointed of course, but not shocked. If they play very well we won’t be shocked either.

1. patrick turner. everyone wants to see him on the field, theres a reason why he’s not out there
2. channing c. continues to start regardless of ability to make plays
3. donald thomas. consistently has times of struggles

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congrats man

What the hell are you thinking calling Ronnie out? He’s put this team on his back at times. Not a fan of this ungrateful post…

to be called overrated for being injured would mean that he was rated as being a injury free player.

For a player to be overrated, he has to PERFORM at a lower level, Ronnie has performed at a high level.

Many here are misusing the term overrated. just sayin.

If he has another ho-hum season like last year, his contract value will greatly exceed his onfield value.

Dobbins pushing him for playing time will hopefully spur CC to play better this year.