Friday Vote: Who do you want to start at free safety?
by Matty I on Jun 4, 2010 5:00 AM EDT
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PrintRight now the hot topic in Miami seems to be who ends up starting at free safety for the Dolphins in 2010. Obviously this story has been moved to the forefront since O.J. Atogwe became an unrestricted free agent a few days ago.
Since then, fans and media alike have been debating the pros and cons of the Dolphins getting involved in the bidding for the free agent safety. And let's not forget that we really have no idea if the Dolphins are even interested in Atogwe.
Regardless it's an interesting debate. So I'm curious to see what our community thinks. If it was up to you, who would you want the Dolphins to start at free safety in week one?
Chris Clemons - The second year pro didn't see too much action in his rookie season last year. But he's been working with the first team defense for most - if not all - of the offseason. He's got the physical tools to be a solid starter in this league. He possesses the speed to roam center field and play sideline to sideline. He just needs to prove he can handle the mental aspects of the position - things like communicating before the play and then reading and reacting to the offense. The more reps he gets, the more likely he is to improve in those areas.
Tyrone Culver - Culver is the veteran of the current in-house options. He's spent two seasons in Miami and has seen some action in all but one game. He even started twice last season. He doesn't have the physical speed Clemons possesses but has more experience and has a much better grasp of the mental aspect of playing the position. Currently, though, Culver is working with the second team as Yeremiah Bell's backup at strong safety.
Reshad Jones - The rookie out of Georgia is currently working as the second team free safety. He played both free and strong safety in college at Georgia, where he made his share of plays. He's not as fast as Clemons, though he's not slow, either. How quickly Jones is able to adjust to the speed of the game at this level and how quickly he's able to learn the defense will impact how much of an opportunity Jones gets at starting.
O.J. Atogwe - As we've discussed, Atogwe is one of the top safeties in the game and is currently an unrestricted free agent. Therefore he's probably looking for a big contract. Will he get it? That depends on how many teams have interest in him. Right now, we really don't know. Hell - we have no idea if the Dolphins even have any interest. But if they do, the question then centers on money. How much would the Dolphins be willing to pay? If it was up to you, how much would you be willing to pay? If you think he's worth a deal worth $7+ million per year, then you'll probably vote for him to be the starting FS in Miami this year. But if you aren't so sure you're in favor of handing him that kind of cash, then Atogwe probably isn't for you...because that's the kind of contract he's likely going to get.
Ken Hamlin - Hamlin has been a free agent since being released on April 2 by the Cowboys. No team has shown much interest in him - for good reason. The former Pro Bowler has just one interception in two seasons since making the Pro Bowl in 2007 in his first season in Dallas. He hasn't even been connected to the Dolphins, either. However, there was a brief time on Thursday in which some thought the Dolphins were showing interest. He tweeted that he was heading to Miami, leading the Sun-Sentinel to create a mini-frenzy by saying he might be coming to Miami to work out for the team. They backtracked when they learned the real reason - that he was coming for a party at a club in South Beach on Friday followed by a charity event this weekend. However, late on Thursday Hamlin tweeted that "Miami would be a nice place to play huh? What do yall think? Who has Ireland's and Sparano's direct line?" Now I'm no big fan of Hamlin's. But he'd come much cheaper than Atogwe, for those who don't want to simply trust the guys already on the roster.
So what do you think? Cast your vote and then discuss below...
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Clemons
For the reasons you’ve stated. The more reps/downs he gets the quicker he’ll learn and we can see if we have a potential long-term answer.
C'mon over to Shady's world, MiamiDolphins.co.uk
If we have Clemons starting ...
We can rotate Reshad Jones in like we did with Sean Smith and Vontae Davis last year and get 2 young players experience. I thought he should have started last year ….
when does the season start.....
you can do that with corners
but not with your free safety
"I make black history every day, i don't need a month" -Kanye West
Agreed
Free safety is one of those positions, much like quarterback, where you really shouldn’t be starting your rookie season. You need at least a season or two of preparation; it’s too mental a position not to have that.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Jun 4, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Then!
why in hell we try to put Jason Allen as a FS? he is as dumb as it come.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
Hahaha
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Jun 4, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
would it be worth throwing a 1 year deal at Hamlin
just to have him come and battle for a roster/starting spot in camp? What kind of $ is he looking for?
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by BigPuma23 on Jun 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
^^this Hamlin is trash!!!
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Offer oj a nice size two year contract
if he won’t accept let Culiver and Clemons battle it out.
I've finally made my decision
Clemons…
Like matty stated the more reps the better you’ll be.
If he gets alot of playing time, he’ll learn the game so much faster.
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Clemons
``Chris has 256 scrimmage plays right now in practice. That’s the most on the team by any player. Those are live scrimmage repetitions. And he has minimal, minimal mental mistakes.’’
``He’s got the potential, no doubt about it,‘’ said strong safety Yeremiah Bell, who starts on the opposite side. ``He has it in him. He’s doing a great job right now. He’s doing what he’s supposed to do, and he’s getting better every day.’’
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 4, 2010 9:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hell yeah!
Another good luck event on the side of the FO lol
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
5 year 35 mil 18 mil guaranteed for Atogwe to me is a top 5 FS. I like Clemons but just don’t believe he’s ready yet. And i don’t want another year like last year at FS.If singing O.J takes us deep in the playoffs 7million a year for a pro bowl ball hawking safety i’m all for it.
If singing O.J takes us deep in the playoffs 7million a year for a pro bowl ball hawking safety i’m all for it.
Agreed.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
But, (and now for the drum roll please. . . ) can OJ stay healthy to help take us deep into the playoffs?
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1st year since rookie season that he didn’t play all the games.
I think you gotta go big or go home.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Yeah,
but he also hasn’t played a single game after having TWO surgeries on his shoulder. You have to be insane to pay him top dollar with such a big question mark.
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O.J. Atogwe
He’s only had ONE surgery on his Shoulder. It’s been rumored that he had a sports hernia. Mortensen is the only source I’ve found for that rumor. He’s Missed 4 games in the last 4 yrs. He’s missed less games than B. Sanders and T. Palamalu in the last 4 years. I think we can assume now that he is not going to get top dollar. I say if we can sign him for $6.5 Million or less per year than we should take him. I like Clemons. I just don’t think he is the Savior everyone thinks he is. I’d rather see Culver or Jones.
I vote for Clemons
with Atogwe’s contract we have to get up into the Dansby range of money, not sure if it’s worth it.
Still with your young guys, one of them will pan out to be a stud, for a lot cheaper.
"I likem me some UDFAs"
surprised to see Clemons on top in the voting
but it’s early yet, so the sample size is still small I guess.
OJ is probably better, but I just don’t think we can get him without overpaying—and in an offseason in which we’ve already overpayed for two FAs (don’t get me wrong, I"m glad we did) I don’t think there is room for a third.
I think we should just suck it up and suffer the growing pains.
Clemons
I think he will be better then OJ in the long run, and it’s always better to develop your young talent then to overpay for FAs.
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Atogwe!!
Competition and depth are always a good thing.
I am amazed at all the Clemmons support when there is also an Atogway option.
With the question being who do you WANT to start.. not Who do you THINK will start.. I am amazed of the support for Clemmons. Those who voted Clemmons would rather start a guy who really was not all that good, but MAY hhave potentiial over one of the best free safties in the league?
Whats more important on your list.. winning or seeing if a draft pick pans out? I just dont get it.
Atogway is the best option out of all of those listed hands down.
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*Clemons damn it..
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by MainePhinFan on Jun 4, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
very well said maine
And i completely agree. Even if clemons looks GREAT in practice, it’s still just the otas and there’s no guarantee that will be the case come game time.
by BigPuma23 on Jun 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Clemons isn't coming off of two surgeries,
and isn’t going to kill us in cap next year.
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by joel311 on Jun 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hate to beat a dead horse
but remember the last guy that was coming off a serious shoulder surgery that we passed on?? just because someone got hurt playing a physical game doesnt mean there done and just going on the downside of there career.
by phinfan20 on Jun 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember the last guy we signed that
Had shoulder problems.
Justin smiley
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
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I know we facing a recession but the music y'all makin gonna make it the Great Depression. - Jay Z
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This^^^^
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
I ain't from the Klan but i brought my hood with me - KanYe
I know we facing a recession but the music y'all makin gonna make it the Great Depression. - Jay Z
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No he is not.. but he has not shown 1/4 the tallent as Atogway has in his back pocket either.
And I know the cap issues.. but if the money is available and they can structure a deal that will work for the team Atogway is heads and shoulders above what Clemons is at this point. Maybe Clemons will be a great FS but with the team still having a serious issue with OLB I would rather go into the season knowing that we do not have any issues in any other point in the D. Sure up the FS and everything is set outside of OLB… let Clemons start and who knows.
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what plays did he "give up on"
i didnt really see that in him..i think your mistaking poor angles, late reads, etc on him heart
but i hope he can be the answer if not the FO better bring in OJ
"I make black history every day, i don't need a month" -Kanye West
watch his universal draft highlights.
You should see what i’m talking about. There’s one play against the jest that really stands out in my mind. And to what you said about taking bad angles, that’s another thing that happened very very often.
by BigPuma23 on Jun 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
alright im going to watch it
but about those angles he needs to work on those big time
"I make black history every day, i don't need a month" -Kanye West
ya i agree.
And i don’t know if give up was the right word choice. But it just really looked like he wasn’t giving 100%, to say the least.
by BigPuma23 on Jun 4, 2010 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stop voting for Ken Hamlin! He was TERRIBLE last year and thats why he is still on the street.
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... is he a prostitue now?
LOL
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wow am i really seeing this?? fans expections to only just go deep into the playoffs?? are you trying to say yo udont have faith we can win the BIG game?
playoffs….pffft…. i wont settle for anything less then a Superbowl win.
on that note i think if this OJ guy is the best bet to get us there then get his butt in here. PEROID!
as my great grand pappy use to say: why the hell cant i have my cake and eat it to……..its MY dang cake!
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
PEROID!!1!!
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O.J Atogwe!!!!!!
proven vet with 40 turnovers in 5 years over the athletic kid who impressed at OTAs
by phinfan20 on Jun 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
if this^^^^^^^^^ ...................does'nt say it all
then what the hell will convince people he’s the best option….fricken PERIOD!!!! well done phin.
I think the best choice is Chad Henne...
…best for the Pats that is. :-)
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
SMP!!! Yeah, the Pats need safeties too... LOL
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...and they should get Brady to fill it?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 5, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well those words simply dont make sense.
Reread what you wrote, kick yourself in the nuts, then go back to your own blog site where your words might actually be taken seriously.
by BigPuma23 on Jun 4, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's our guest here. He actually makes good posts here.
He’s just messin wit us….
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Actually most of the words on Pats Pulpit don't make sense either.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 5, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
lol your post on the AFC east
is still my favorite post of all time
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
I ain't from the Klan but i brought my hood with me - KanYe
I know we facing a recession but the music y'all makin gonna make it the Great Depression. - Jay Z
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 5, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really pumped for this season.
I hope all those other teams are looking at their schedules and saying, “Oh shit! We go against the AFC East!”
Hope Buffalo pulls their head of their butt. They seriously need an owner-ectomy, along will Oakland, and Wshington, and Tampa Bay….
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 6, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yes i agree
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Chris Clemons – The second year pro didn’t see too much action in his rookie season last year. But he’s been working with the first team offense for most – if not all – of the offseason
Seems like if he is working with 1st string offense, he’ll be too tired to play FS also.
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
Maybe he's a secret weapon on offense....
LOL
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But he’s been working with the first team offense for most – if not all – of the offseason
I think thats supposed to say defense Matty.
It's better to keep your mouth shut and make people think your dumb, then to open it and remove all doubt..
Driving the Draft McClain Train....
No. Clemons is the new 2nd wide receiver.....
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GWilson was a beast and we gave him a HUGE contract.
where did that left us?, dont beleive in signing to many FA’s.We GOT almost SURE thing on the FA’s that we got, lets keep the inside guys. Let them show what they have and mature on the field. I dont like to many mecenaries on the team, to many egos
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agree with this philosophy
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
I ain't from the Klan but i brought my hood with me - KanYe
I know we facing a recession but the music y'all makin gonna make it the Great Depression. - Jay Z
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to see Clemons win the confidance of the coaching staff as well as the starting FS spot. We drafted the guy for a reason so to see him step up and contribute to this team like that I think would help everyone. We shouldn’t need to shell out huge $$$ for Otagwe with the rest of the secondary on the roster anyways…
My truthful answer is, the best possible player we can get, whoever that may be,
my best guess is Clemons, in his limited snaps he played pretty well, you could kinda see him learning, the game doesn’t get away from, I think he has great potential, I thought I saw that in him last year.
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The more I think about it, the more I like CC.
1. He was drafted by this FO to eventually take over the FS position.
2. He has all the physical tools to play the position.
3. He’s cheap.
4. He’s young.
I cannot sit here and say he’ll pan out, but I can say that he’s a better option than everyone of those options not named Atogwe. More reps provides more experience leading to better production. He may never be as good as O.J. but he doesn’t have to be. He just needs to be effective in our scheme, and I think he will be.
Clemons
will end up being a Pro-Bowl caliber player. The dude was the fastest among all DBs when drafted, is prototypical size, and possesses great character. His speed and length will allow him to play center field sideline to sideline. All he needs is experience and honestly, he can’t be any worse then Gibril. Let this kid start. I’d love to watch him mature and grow into a ace. Otogwe is beaten up and would need to learn our system. We’re ready to go right now.
cant be worse than gibril
thats just about guaranteed
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
I ain't from the Klan but i brought my hood with me - KanYe
I know we facing a recession but the music y'all makin gonna make it the Great Depression. - Jay Z
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 6, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Clemons? o.O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyA_DG3q56I , come on guys see that video , Clemons doesn’t play good :/
are you sure you are looking at the right guy?
He doesn’t look bad to me … Keep in mind he is the DB with dreads.. keep in mind though that there are plays where they actually had our Tony McDaniel, our DT/DE dropping back into coverage also (are you kidding me??) He is the larger guy droping into coverage with dreads .. he is usually wearing a white long sleeve shirt…The first play he makes the tackle (although he should have wrapped up)…. ok the guy is not great in run support, … but he is a FS not a LB … give the guy a break …the guy is always hustling… He is running behind Ginn on that TD return he had… why? Ginn was gone already? overpursuit on one play…that can be fixed… He keeps Braylon Edwards out of the endzone on one play even though we didn’t get the call.. There is also the play where he and Vontae were blanketing Randy Moss…gets beat by Kellen Winslow Jr on a crossing route … so what … he upends a TE on one play … overpursues Jacoby JonesI see once where he came over to cover a guy that ran free because 2 guys collided… I think you have to give these guys some credit last year.. they played under the worst defensive coordinator we have had here in Miami in a long long time … seriously .. the best you could come up with is having a 6’7" 305 lb guy drop back into coverage .. while you let the QB sit back and wait for someone to get open… really???
when does the season start.....
by Jason Scott_90 on Jun 6, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
wow i agree with jason
are you watching the same video
he showed ELITE closing speed. Isnt afraid to mix it up in the running game. Man coverage is solid, the only person he got beat by was a top 5 tightend in kellen winslow.
on the play where mike wallace scored the TD, that wasnt his assignment because two of our guys collided together, but he still had the speed to get to him almost before he scored.
his only problems were communication and getting into position, two thing that can be fixed with reps… and he has gotten the most reps out of any defensive player. he WILL be good.
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
I ain't from the Klan but i brought my hood with me - KanYe
I know we facing a recession but the music y'all makin gonna make it the Great Depression. - Jay Z
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 6, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
he's def not a great open field 1 on 1 tackler
and he’s not very fluid in coverage…. I vote Reshad Jones… that man can really play i think
i really do to
but since he got no reps at all on 1st team
im going with the realistic choice of chris clemons
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the ? is who do you WANT to start tho...
so realistic or not doesnt matter… if I were Sparano I would give Jones some burn in training camp & preseason
Reshad Jones is our replacement for Y Bell ...
when does the season start.....
by Jason Scott_90 on Jun 6, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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