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The Roster Bubble: Safety

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The safety position has been one of the most discussed positions amongst Dolphin fans this offseason. We've heard all of the arguments as to who should start next to Pro Bowl strong safety Yeremiah Bell (who's a fan of our site, by the way). But this post isn't about the battle for the starting job. Instead, it's focusing on which of these guys are at risk of not making the 53 man roster come September.

Safety
Safe: Yeremiah Bell, Chris Clemons, Tyrone Culver
Bubble: Reshad Jones, Jonathon Amaya

Needless to say, Yeremiah Bell is the obvious lock. He's coming off of a Pro Bowl season and is the veteran of the group. He's even a candidate to wear the green dot and be the defensive signal caller. Expect another solid season from the starting strong safety.

Chris Clemons has been working as the starting free safety all offseason. The Dolphins did sniff around some other possible safeties in free agency (Antrel Rolle and Ryan Clark were the two big names). But Rolle wanted too much money and Clark decided to return to Pittsburgh.

Meanwhile Clemons has been drawing positive reviews from this coaching staff as he prepares for his second season in this league. The former fifth round pick has all of the physical tools to be a good free safety in this league. He's got great speed and good hands. He can change direction well and is simply a talented athlete. But he still needs to get a firm grasp of the mental aspects of playing the position at this level. So it'll be interesting to see if the positive momentum he has created in mini-camp and in OTAs will carry over to training camp and the preseason.

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Tyrone Culver is entering his fifth season, third in Miami, and is currently working as Bell's backup at strong safety. And if Clemons was to struggle, there's a good chance we could see Culver getting more work as a free safety. As it stands now, though, expect to see Culver play a similar role as last year, where he would see the field in some nickel and dime situations when Bell would move up towards the line of scrimmage.

Like Clemons, Reshad Jones was a fifth round. But the rookie is currently working behind the second year pro at free safety. Jones has good - but not great - speed and might be better suited to play strong safety in this league, though he did play some free safety early on in his college career. Some reports claim Jones has looked unimpressive thus far this offseason. But there's no way he doesn't make the 53 man roster, right?

Enter Jonathon Amaya. The undrafted rookie out of Nevada has reportedly been impressing those who have seen him perform this offseason. He runs a low 4.5 to high 4.4 40 and has a nose for the ball. That's what has impressed most, as Amaya has made plays on the football often during these offseason practices. He's also very versatile, having played both safety positions as well as cornerback in college, something this coaching staff values greatly.

It'll be interesting to see if Amaya can give the drafted rookie a run for his money in training camp.


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Very intersting but i don't think we get rid of Reshad Jones he could very well be Bell's replacement later on in the future.

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by DPL3 Rollin on Jun 29, 2010 6:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree that the FO is probably looking at Jones for that purpose as there were some better core FSs in the draft

Jones was a potential FS but is better suited to SS IMO. He could transition either way which made him even more intriguing but if Tennessee hadn’t taken Johnson at #148 I think we would have taken him instead.

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by TheFinReaper on Jun 29, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

no you mean if Green Bay hadn't taken Morgan Burnett

we wouldve taken him instead

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, our FO will go a totally different direction if their guy isnt there

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell yea

i was happy with the fact that he was still on the board when we were about to pick and then i saw that trade and i wanted to punch my wall

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by Deuce Black on Jun 30, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

The one who is in danger would be Tyrone Culver…I’d say if Amaya impresses as Clemons backup then JOnes slides to Bell’s backup/eventual replacement and Culver goes bye bye…

by Divine on Jun 30, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Culver plays extremely well on Special Teams

Amaya is going to have to do quite a bit to make them cut Culver loose.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 30, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt the biggest worry in my mind comming into the season.

My heart stops every time the opposing qb winds up for a long bomb, nothing killed us more then the big play.
I really hope we solve the FS issue and hope that Clemons will be the answer, but all that talk about his potential, about how he has great speed, size and athleticism but lacks mentally kinda brought back memories of Jason Allen’s stint at FS.
Lets hope Clemons will step up.

by aquandy on Jun 29, 2010 6:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I am thinking we are going with Reshad Jones...

Amaya will go to the practice squad where we will hide him for a year… Eventually he will be a backup for Clemons while Reshad Jones takes over when Bell leaves.

when does the season start.....

by Jason Scott_90 on Jun 29, 2010 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Reshad Jones sticks on the roster

I believe Amaya will find his way on the practice squad to continue his growth. I’d have to think Jones would have to really struggle in training camp and the preseason to be cut from the squad. I believe an interesting, but albeit longshot, is all five making the roster. If Jones shows enough ability in training camp and preseason and Amaya shows he can produce on special teams, I believe they both can make it on the roster. I think the fifth prospect at the safety position will be fighting with the fifth CB slot, which would probably be between Nolan Carroll and Evan Oglesby. With Amaya’s versatility and experience at CB and Safety, the coaching staff may stick with 4 CBs (Davis, Smith, W. Allen, and J. Allen) and 5 safeties. The deciding factor would likely be how each performs on special teams. We all know how this front office loves versatility and players capable of playing special teams.

by Finhead83 on Jun 29, 2010 7:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

nicely put

couldnt have said it better myself

by Tison M on Jun 29, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree for the most part,

but N Carroll I think has the upper hand right now, in that he will make the team before Jones, again that is as of right now but he has the buzz right now, a lot of people are impressed by him, also prior to breaking his leg he was considered a low 1st high 2nd round prospect, and we will definitely not be able to keep all the draft picks this year, just don’t have the room.

by uncle finster on Jun 29, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well Said.

I currently have a preliminary 53 man roster breakdown that I put together and I have both Nolan Carroll and Jonathan Amaya on the roster but unlike Reshad Jones, I have them as inactive on gameday. Obviously, the preseason will greatly alter this and I would not be surprised to see Amaya or Carroll swap places with Jones due to better performances on special teams.

Currently, the only draft pick I have going to the practice squad is Spitler with Caroll and McCoy inactive on gameday and Odrick, Misi, Jerry, Edds, and Jones Active on Gameday but again this can, and likely will, change.

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by TheFinReaper on Jun 29, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree

I do think Nolan Carroll has the edge based on minicamp, but I was just trying to make the point that the it’s not only a competition with the safeties. If Nolan Carroll continues to impress the team with his ability, it will make it a very difficult decision for the coaching staff. The one thing I like about the front office is they’re willingness to admit mistakes by cutting underachieving players immediately. See Eric Green from last year as an example. If Nolan and Amaya consistently outperform Jones, he will be cut. This isn’t a front office that would give a player a free year because he was a valuable draft pick.

by Finhead83 on Jun 29, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

on to the PS, unless another team needs him

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put the pads on

Good points made in the article……curious how everyone will look once they put the pads on and start hitting. Could change things a bit.

by lakecityfan on Jun 29, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll say R. Jones...

because of his versatility to play both safety positions.

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by DolphinNation on Jun 29, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

This will be a hotly contested spot,

unless crosshairs(CC) holds it down from the jump, but these other guys will be competing for a roster spot, and as Finhead mentioned they will competing with CBs as well, N Carroll is a guy who could play safety too, and he has really impressed everybody so it will be scrappy at the bottom of the DBs.

by uncle finster on Jun 29, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Holy

I had no idea it was this competitive at Safety and CB.

Nice conundrum….

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by Alpha6 on Jun 29, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Amays is our undrafted gem this year.

I just have a good feeling about him.

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by Kdog92 on Jun 29, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Amaya seems pretty talented and the guy hit HARD,when playing in reno. he took ryan matthews out with a bang. Think of that with his versatility and nose for the ball….it sounds sweet,but well see with those pads on

by Mr.Phintastic on Jun 29, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

He is a SS, a nice developmental guy to eventually replace Bell after he retires

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed on one

of Ginn’s returns for a TD against the Jests, that #30 was the only one on the field who actually keep up with Ginn. I’m hoping with a year under his belt, he’s our main back there with Bell.

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by Phintastic on Jun 29, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Clemons is the fastest man on our team. idk why he isn’t in the KR conversation.

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by 54 on Jun 29, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

consider him a Zombie

needs more brains. coaches are trying to get him up to speed at one position, they don’t want to overload him. Besides, we are shy enough at FS that I don’t think they want to risk their starter.Maybe Carroll? I am sure the rook would love a chance to stick with the team.

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by Tree2691 on Jun 29, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Amaya?

He has good speed and if he gets on the 53 man roster, he could potentially be a viable option? He has experience as a return man as well.

by Finhead83 on Jun 29, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

i like jones as a strong safety

I saw him playing in a few games and when ever he was in coverage and people threw the ball around him, the recievers were just scared to catch the ball knowing he can hit. And for amaya, I think he should stay on the team because he can play multiple positions as backup.

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by dolger14 on Jun 29, 2010 2:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

S

Locks

Yeremiah Bell, Chris Clemons, Tyrone Culver

Battlers

Reshad Jones, Jonathon Amaya

Camp Bodies

Nate Ness

Yeremiah Bell is a leader on this team and is one of the Dolphins best players on defense. He will be starting at strong safety come September barring injury.

Free safety is a hot topic around here these days as it is seemingly the Dolphins weakest position. 2009 5th round pick Chris Clemons seems to have a leg up going into camp. Even if he happens to be beat out for a starting job it is hard to see him not making the team barring a disastrous camp. More than likely, he will be starting for this team at FS come September unless some acorn is brought in. However, he definitely will have competition.

Imo in a pinch Tyrone Culver would be the best player to start at FS currently on the roster. If this team had an injury he could be put in without much of a hiccup. He is smart and has a lot of game experience for this team. The problem is the Dolphins are looking for a long term starter and Culver is best suited for strong safety, and may only ever be a replacement level. Clemons has all the tools and if the mental aspect comes along for him he could be the team’s answer at free safety longterm.

Then comes the two rookies. Reshad Jones has received a lot of hype around these parts, but I am here as always to be realistic about things. First of all, as talented as he is he fell to the 5th round for a reason let’s make no mistake about that. Second of all, even if he is going to be a player for this team he almost certainly will need time to develop. Jones is very talented and longterm could be the team’s future at strong or free safety, but again he fell so far for a reason and as a 5th round pick is not a lock for a roster spot. I would be very surprised if he didn’t make the team given their lack of depth, but I would not be totally shocked.

Undrafted Jonathan Amaya is why I wouldn’t be shocked. Though in theory the team could keep 5 safeties, it is more likely they will keep 4, and if they do, the battle will come down to Jones and Amaya. Jones has the leg up clearly as a draft pick and the more physically gifted player. However, if Jones falters in camp and Amaya continues to impress the coaching staff, don’t be shocked if Jones is the odd man out. Nate Ness is camp fodder which should say something for his career prospects given safety is the team’s biggest question mark.

by JaredN on Jun 29, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Pass Rush

The dolphins need a pass rush. That is one of the two reasons why we were terrible against the pass. Inexperience was the other. Our secondary can play. No doubt about it. My observation was the D was timid. They were thinking too much. You can not think on Defense! Read and react. Dline needs to commit to the pass rush, trust that everyone behind them is doing there job. I hope that this years defense does not give up the big plays like last yr. They just beat themselves. Saints, Colts, Titans, and do I have to mention the “throw in the towel” game against the flippin Steelers. Talk about quitn? My god even the coaching staff gave up in that one. No way that team should have beat us. None of the above should have beat us!! Game isn’t over til the whistle blows fellas!!! Up by 20 or not!! this team cannot afford to take a DOWN off!!

by IAphinlifer on Jun 29, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

This unit needs to GEL

This unit needs time to get better together!! They need to flow like a unit. Trust one another. Smith and Davis are now part of the unit. Not rooks. Confidence is great at this position but arrogance will get you beat. The best dolphin secondary as we all know was the 70’s period. They did not have half the talent this team does. So a gut check is in order. This group has the potential to be great… possibly the next AFC dynasty!! I am going to start thinking of a name for this D before the season. That should be the next poll question. They need to give themselves an attitude!! A name to live by!! It is Dolphin time this year baby!! Time to F people up!! First 4 weeks of the season is Key!! Set the tempo!! Whoo!! I am pumped to kick it this yr.

by IAphinlifer on Jun 29, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I like our talent at SS

Amaya and Culver will have a good battle for Bell’s spot after he retires. Hopefully

FS is a mess if Clemons doesn’t step up. He was a big hitter in college, but never was much of a ball hawk. Jones is a disappointment and Culver isn’t fast. If Culver is our FS, I can see us bringing both safeties in the box and blitz like hell, see NO game first half

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

But, not all SS are big play type guys, like what Culver has shown flashes of. (NO game)

And what Amaya is consistently showing in practice. I know Amaya is not going up against first team, and it is too early to judge. But you cannot deny that he is showing some promise. A top tier SS doesn’t is not easy to find. Especailly some one with enough speed and smarts to play FS and hit hard enough to play SS. (like Culver and possibly Amaya).

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wtf are you talking about?

i never said SS are big play guys, and one interception doesn’t count as “showing flashes”

and sure Amaya is showing some ability in these OTA’s but there not even in pads yet so any evaluation of any player is irrelevant.

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He showed some flashes to me in very limited time

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, but I still think you underestimate what it takes to be an upper tier SS.

Not only a sure tackler and big hitter, but speed and big plays

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa there buddy

i said

its not hard to get a good strong safety, they are usually in the box anyway

the word upper tier is referring to pro bowl players, but to be a good ss in the NFl you dont need to be a huge playmaker in the centerfiled becuae most of thier work is done in the box

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

INTs can be gotten in man.

I think that Amaya could be an awesome SS. Is supposedly as fast as Smith and a hard hitter. Also OTAs are a good indication of the mental aspect and ballhawking in the secondary, again not first teamers, but you can tell if someone is a good ball hawk in Shorts, the physical part you can’t. Being a hard hitter, i think we can assume he can tackle well.

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

INTs can be gotten anywhere
I think that Amaya could be an awesome SS. Is supposedly as fast as Smith and a hard hitter.

umm Sean Smith isn’t even that fast, he’s fast for his size but hes not a blazer by no means

Also OTAs are a good indication of the mental aspect and ballhawking in the secondary

 OTAs are a good indication of how well a player knows the defense and other installments,its a learning process. But a good indication of ballhawking? are you straight? You do understand they arent in pads right? You can’t tell if someone is a good ballhawk in shorts. Being a ballhawk involves more than just catching interceptions, its an overall presence around the ball (forced fumbles, fumble recovery, deflections, etc). The only thing catching picks in OTAs proves is that you have decent ball skills


i think we can assume he can tackle well.

and no you cant. You cant assume anything,especially when no one is in pads Gibril Wilsons been in the league for 5+ years now and he still cant tackle.

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, in shorts you have to be good in coverage and not rely on the big hit,

but rather tipping the ball away. If he is making INTs consistently, he is a big play type guy.

SS would be a fast S though.

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

OOOO MY GOOOODNESSSS!

bruh listen to yourself…do you understand that OTAs mean squat,THEY ARE NOT IN PADS…anyone can look good in shorts, the real evaluation comes when the pads do

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they can be indicative.

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

but barely

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

undrafted rookies!

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 29, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Also CFL guys, look at Wake

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clemosn ahs supposedly gotten better at the mental things

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 29, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Nolan is supposedly working on gettig him better at warp spped

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by PotM on Jun 29, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright

Which one of you is my boy Yeremiah? If I went off on you w/o knowing, I apologize.

I don’t care who elses makes the team. Whoever is man enough and take the position by the neck and call it his own, thats my guy.

And while we are at it, I wanna know if Cam Cam still monitors the site or is he over at Ravens sites now?

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by Neo on Jun 29, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

pads is a must!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we definetly have to wait until training camp with pads. If clemons looks the way the coaches are suggesting to us he’ll definitley start @ FS but if amaya continues to impress I really feel they will instead us these qualified players on a more of a packaged play………………………….We need pads and preseason,,,……………which is so close ,yet so far

by Mr.Phintastic on Jun 30, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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