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Potential is a dangerous thing

 

The Dolphins went into 2009 with the most rookie and first-year players on their 53-man roster. We were also the 6th youngest team in the NFL at 26.09 years. With that kind of youth comes untapped potential, and there are a few starting positions that are relying on realm of possibility.

When you look at some key positions on the Dolphins roster there are no sure things... A lot of potential, but no sure things.

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Defense

Randy Starks, Nose tackle

This is the focal point of the 3-4 defense. After a breakout year in 2009 at defensive end, Starks was asked to make a switch to nose tackle for the upcoming season. He is far from the prototype that Ferguson is, but can still be a dominate force at the position ala Jay Ratliff.

If you go back to 08' in week 7 against the Ravens when Jason Ferguson was injured and Paul Soliai was suspended, it was Randy Starks that got the workload at nose tackle. Willis McGahee ran for 105 yards and 1 TD off 19 carries, but to be fair it was Starks first start at nose. His overall play has increased since then and the Dolphins need that level of play at defensive end in 2009 to transition over to nose tackle in 2010... At least for 8 games that is.

 

Cameron Wake, Weakside linebacker

Another key to a successful 3-4 defense is the pass rushing presence on the outside. We had one in 08' when Joey Porter was 2nd in the league with 17.5 sacks. He's shown tremendous pass rush ability last year in limited play, but this year we need Wake to make that leap. There is also talk that Wake must develop some coverage and run stuffing ability, but i beg to differ. You have an outside linebacker in Elvis Dumervil who is one of the worst run defenders at the position accumulating a league leading 17 sacks under a Mike Nolan run defense.

 

Chris Clemons, Free safety

The fact that we passed on Oshiomogho Atogwe, Antrel Rolle, and Ryan Clark in free agency and didn't make safety a priority in the draft tells you they have faith in the players we currently have. With that being said Mike Nolans defenses were at their best when he had a stud at free safety, such as Ed Reed and most recently Brian Dawkins.

Hell, Clemons is already "On the Radar".

 

 

 

 

 

 

Offense

Anthony Fasano / John Nalbone, Tight end

Stats don't do any justice to how disappointing Fasano's season was in 09'. Fasano started making a name for himself in 08' with 34 reception 454 yards and 7 TDs (Not to mention in the season opener against the Jets he had 8 catches for 80 yards and 1 TD). Looking past his fumbles and drops last year, Fasano was missing something. Back in 08' Fasano had a perfect compliment in David Martin, but when you look our tight ends in 09' there really was no #2 guy.With the addition of Marshall I expect more opportunities for Fasano, but it would still be nice to have another threat at tight end.

With 19 receptions for 162 yards and 2 TDs in 8 starts, Joey Haynos wasn't cutting it. As a senior at Monmouth (the same school Miles Austin came from) John Nalbone caught 42 catches for 491 yards and 5 TDs. Coming out of college he was described as a sleeper and a developmental prospect, and after he spent a season on the practice squad in 09' my only hope is that he's ready to make an impact this year.

The fact that the tight end position wasn't addressed at all this off-season, should tell you that the FO is comfortable with the current group. In order for the FO to remain comfortable with  these tight ends guys like Fasano and Nalbone need to step up.

 

 

Brian Hartline / Julius Pruitt, #2 receiver

These are the two guys that I feel have potential  to start opposite Brandon Marshall. The truth is Davone Bess is a slot receiver, Greg Camarillo is possession guy, Patrick Turner is...um Patrick Turner and Ryan Grice-Mullens is just a little more of Davone Bess. Those guys are more of the same and Marshall is more of a possession guy himself, so I don't see another possession receiver being a legitimate compliment to him lining up outside.

With 31 catches for 506 yards and 3 TDs Hartline made himself noticed In limited playing time . He displayed the intangibles that it takes to be a pretty good receiver for years to come. 

Another sleeper, Julius Pruitt spent a year on the practice squad and it will be interesting to see if he makes some noise in training camp. He's 6'2" 206 and has 4.4 speed, that alone would be an excellent compliment to Marshall.

 

Chad Henne, Quarterback

This should be self explanatory.

   I could get into the stats and all that other good stuff but at the end of the day you either got "it"or you don't. When you have a #1 receiver, a top 5 running game, and a Pro Bowl left tackle protecting your blind side there are no more excuses. Henne now has the tools to succeed and the rest relies on him, its time for him to play like the quarterback this franchise has been waiting for since 1999.

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another nice post DB

like you, I’m hoping Pruitt makes the roster

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by Kdog92 on Jun 27, 2010 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks

and I think Pruitt could be our Miles Austin

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by Deuce Black on Jun 27, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats not possible. Its not even in your sig line.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean if its not in your sig line then it never happened.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 28, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

fine

w/e dude
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 28, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I don't respect your thumbing your nose at the rules but it is the rule.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

show me

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 28, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

link it or it never happened

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not all Phinsider rules are in writing. It is what it is just like the

rule that you are referencing.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 28, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, all rules are in writing.

or they are considered “guidelines”
;-)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 28, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

or they are considered

“unwritten rules”

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^

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by texascowpunk on Jun 28, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Well Said Deuce!

Rec’d!

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 28, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats his history as a returner?

because I doubt he makes the team unless he can be the returner.

He would have to become the starter to make the team as a WR alone, IMO.

by uncle finster on Jun 28, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has the speed, and the reports from his workout say he caught everything thrown his way

so i would guess it is just working at the position. I don’t know that he has ever filled that role.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 28, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice post

only thing is.. we didnt really pass on ryan clark

we were “very close” to reaching a deal with clark

and all the sudden, he re-signs with PITT

i guess they were willing to pay him more than us, but, we were heavily interested, so i wouldnt say we “passesd” on him

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by finzrule on Jun 27, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I know but you get my point

the fact that we entertained the thought of bringing Clark in, but we obviously weren’t desperate to sign any significant free safety in free agency or the draft

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by Deuce Black on Jun 27, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on your definition of desperate.

They’d obviously prefer someone besides Clemons as the starter. They drafted a possible FS, and attempted to sign 3 FA FS’s. So while they were actively trying to shore up the FS position. They weren’t going to break the bank to do so either.

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by luvs2drnk on Jun 28, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

When i say desperate there is only one definition

Waiting until the 5th round to draft a safety is not desperate, especially when considering Jones is more suited to play strong safety

And the fact they didn’t overpay for Antrel Rolle and Ryan Clark is not desperate. Then you add in the fact they passed up on Atogwe like every other team in the league

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I guess a better way to say it is the degree of desperation.

Clearly they were desperate to address the FS spot with Clemons the possible starter, but not desperate enough to overpay FA’s or use a high round draft pick.

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by luvs2drnk on Jun 29, 2010 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

i think you just summed it up right there

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can go with that.

If they had hope in Clemons, why did they attempt to sign 3 different starting FA safeties?

I say they were desperate enough to go after 3 FA, and draft a guy better suited to be a strong safety as the back up. But not desperate enough to overpay for a starter, or use a high draft pick on a possible replacement.

When people are interested in finding a replacement, you contact the agents and find out what the asking price is. You don’t fly them into town and give them the five star treatment. But we’re really just getting into semantics.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 4, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

exploring the options in free agency isn't desperate

overpaying for average players is desperate, and btw it was only 2 FA they went after(rolle and clark)

You don’t fly them into town and give them the five star treatment.

trust me no one is getting 5 star treatment, you must not know what FO your dealing with. They wouldnt even hold a press conference for any of our free agents

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by Deuce Black on Jul 4, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said this was semantics.

I said calling agents and getting asking prices would be showing interest. Flying them into town and wining and dining them shows a little bit more of desperation. Especially since they had just lost out on Rolle. I know exactly what FO I’m dealing with, the same FO that just gave out the most lucrative contracts to our new starting WR and ILB. Why? Because they were extremely desperate to upgrade those positions, they saw the need to overpay. They were not as desperate to upgrade the FS position, hence no overpaying for a quality starting FS.

You seem to forget about Otagwe as the 3rd FA we were interested in. But the bottom line is they weren’t desperate enough to overpay for these players services. But they were desperate enough to make an effort at signing 3 different FA’s to try and fill that role.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, extremely desperate teams overpay players.

Less desperate teams look for cheap FA’s and use late round draft picks.

You do realize we’re agreeing, just using different terminology right?

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 4, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm
I said calling agents and getting asking prices would be showing interest. Flying them into town and wining and dining them shows a little bit more of desperation.

When a player visits a team thats called showing interest, that’s where all the negotiations go down, the dinner and all that stuff is routine for pretty much every team.

But they were desperate enough to make an effort at signing 3 different FA’s to try and fill that role.

thats not called being desperate its called showing interest

Especially since they had just lost out on Rolle.

did we really “lose out” on Rolle or were we just not that interested in him. He wanted to be the highest paid safety and the Dolphins werent willing to make it happen


I know exactly what FO I’m dealing with, the same FO that just gave out the most lucrative contracts to our new starting WR and ILB.Why? Because they were extremely desperate to upgrade those positions, they saw the need to overpay.

Ahh now you see what desperation is, but Marshall is arguably one of the best wr in the league so its not overpaying. Dansby is def one of the best lbs in the league as well so you cant compare that to a guy who didnt deserve it in Rolle

You seem to forget about Otagwe as the 3rd FA we were interested in

Who said the Dolphins were ever interested? There were a bunch of rumors and reports, but there was no fact of an offer to OJ.

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by Deuce Black on Jul 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, this argument could go on forever due to semantics.

You have singular definition of desperation, whereas I have a definition with varying degrees. Cases can be made for both.

I said we lost out on Rolle, because we were clearly interested in his services. But we weren’t willing to pay the price tag the Giants were willing to fork over. We were definitely interested, but as I have said before we weren’t desperate enough to pay what the Giants paid.

As for Marshall and Dansby are concerned, we did overpay both of them. They are both now the highest paid players at their positions, but have yet to produce the numbers of the best at their positions. I’m not saying they didn’t deserve to get paid, but they didn’t deserve to be paid as the best at their positions.

I never said they made an offer to Otagwe, but I can guarantee you they contacted his agent and found out what his asking price would be.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 4, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummm
As for Marshall and Dansby are concerned, we did overpay both of them. They are both now the highest paid players at their positions, but have yet to produce the numbers of the best at their positions.

are you serious? First of all neither Marshall or Dansby are the highest paid players at their positions. Secondly Marshall has…

  • Most catches in an NFL game (21).
  • Third-most catches in an NFL game (18).
  • Most receptions spanning five games in NFL history (55).
  • Only player in NFL history to have at least 10 receptions in four out of five games.
  • First player since 1960 to record eight career games of at least 10 receptions in his first four seasons.
  • One of only five players in NFL history (first Broncos player) to catch at least 100 passes in three straight seasons.
  • Ninth player in NFL history (second Broncos player) to have at least 100 catches in back-to-back seasons (2007 and 2008).
  • Caught 102 passes in 2007 (second-career NFL season), becoming only the third second-year player in NFL history to have at least 100 receptions in a season.

if that’s not production i don’t know what is

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by Deuce Black on Jul 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and i'm not done

Since 2007 Dansby has tallied 325 tackles, 17 pass deflections, 8.5 sacks, 7 forced fumbles, and 6 interceptions

compare that to the highest paid linebacker in Patrick Willis
467 tackles, 23 pass deflections, 9 sacks, 6 forced fumbles, and 4 interceptions

I never said they made an offer to Otagwe, but I can guarantee you they contacted his agent and found out what his asking price would be.

are you sure about that?

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by Deuce Black on Jul 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'm positive.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 4, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have argued with each of you b4 till i'm blue in the face....

so i know how stubborn each of you are! it’s really nice to see you two arguing together….
should keep you busy
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 5, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so Marshall is the highest paid WR.

And Dansby was the highest paid ILB until Willis was re-signed.

As for Marshall’s production:

Receiving yards rank: 2009-14, 2008-7, 2007-6
TD’s rank: 2009-7 , 2008-22 , 2007-20
Number of players on both lists better than Marshall: 7
Number of those players making more money: 0

Now Dansby’s production:

Tackling rank: 2009-25, 2008-14, 2007-40
INT rank: 2009-21, 2008-7, 2007-7
Pass Def rank: 2009-41, 2008-17, 2007-8
FF rank: 2009-40 , 2008-15 , 2007-3
Sack rank: 2009-30, 2008-20, 2007-30

I’m sorry, but neither of their numbers warrants them to be the highest paid at their positions. Which they both were when they signed their contracts. Marshall definitely deserved top 5 money, and Dansby is probably closer to top 10.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like i said neither MARSHALL or Dansby are the highest paid at their positions

Marshall’s Contract

Marshall is a 1,200+ yard receiver the disparity between his number and Andre Johnson were not far off

As for Td’s the highest in 09’ was 13 and Marshall had 10..WOOO big difference

Marshall is arguably the best at the positon and wil only get better

Sack rank: 2009-30, 2008-20, 2007-30

you do know Dansby is an inside linebacker right? He’s not a pass rusher, so to compare him to pass rushers is irrelevant

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by Deuce Black on Jul 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Dansby has only one year as an ILB

Before last year he played OLB, but I figured you’d make that argument so last years stats are his rankings against all other ILB.

As for being the top paid players, I read your article. The extension Marshall signed is the most lucrative contract any WR has ever signed. Using the $2.5 mil one year contract he signed with Denver to facilitate the trade is irrelevant. Why do you insist on pointing out a single year to make an argument? Yeah, he had 10 in 2009. But he only had 6 and 7 in 2008 and 2007 respectively, with the leaders being 12 and 23 respectively. And I don’t think you can arguably say that Marshall is the best WR in the league. I can name 5 that are better: Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, and Reggie Wayne.

And as I said before, when Dansby signed his contract it made him the highest paid LB at that time. So when the deal was made, it was to make him the highest paid LB. It’s completely irrelevant that a higher offer was made to Willis at a later date. Unless you’re somehow insinuating the Dolphins new Willis was going to get a higher offer. Even so, I still don’t think Dansby warranted top 5 money. Top 10 yes.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your right Dansby was an OLB

in a 4-3 so once again he is not rushing the passer so his sack rankings against other pass rushers is irrelevant

And HELLO! when i say arguably i mean when you talk about some of the top receivers in the league Brandon Marshall is in that conversation, i didn’t say he was the flat out best. Thats why i compared his 08 stats to Andre Johnson who is probably the best in the game right now, and since you want to talk about statistical rankings how about you look up Marshalls rankings for receptions

Number of players on both lists better than Marshall: 7
Number of those players making more money: 0

Do you know who those player ahead of Marshall are? Were talking about Vernon Davis, Andre Johnson, Miles Austin, etc.

these are players who have yet to recieve their big contracts, are probably not going to get another big contract like moss, or in johnsons case stil have 5 years left on their current deal thats outdated

no matter what they gave Dansby, Willis was going to supplant it reguardless But i dont care what they paid Dansby he’s a playmaker and an instant upgrade on this defense, and im sure he will earn every last cent

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

So 4-3 OLB don't rush? Is that your defense?

Did you know Dansby’s own teammates had more sacks than he did in 2008 and 2007? Even the MLB had more sacks than he did in 2007. Besides, if you didn’t want to use sacks as a stat, then why did you bring it up in the comparison to Willis?

Actually I didn’t include Vernon Davis, as he is a TE, and not a WR. But I get what you’re saying, but that doesn’t apply to Randy Moss, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne, TJ Housh, Larry Fitzgerald, and Andre Johnson. All those players have signed new contracts, with the exception of Reggie Wayne. I included him because he actually restructured his contract to give the Colts more space under the cap. Something BM would never do.

You say that now about how much they paid him. That’s easy to say in an uncapped year. Let’s see if you’re still singing the same tune once there is a salary cap and good players have to be cut to make room for his and Brandon’s salaries.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?
So 4-3 OLB don’t rush? Is that your defense?

Your joking right? Are you really comparing a OLB in a 4-3 to a OLB/DE in a 3-4? You clearly know nothing about football if you are going to compare the 2. Let me take you to school

Elvis Dumervil is a OLB in a 3-4 this year he had 17 sacks

Brian Cushing is a OLB in a 4-3 this year he has 4 sacks

do you see the difference? In a 3-4 defense the OLB is practically a DE and rushes the passer on a consistent basis, while a 4-3 OLB doesn’t (he usually gets his sacks on blitzes)

Did you know Dansby’s own teammates had more sacks than he did in 2008 and 2007? Even the MLB had more sacks than he did in 2007.

In 2007 the Arizona Cardinals switched to a 3-4 defense. Dansby an ILB had 3.5 sacks, His teammate OLB Calvin Pace had 6.5..now there is a difference between a OLB and a ILB especially in the 3-4 but i already schooled you on that further up.

in 2008 Dansby had 4.0 sacks, his teammate Chike Okeafor had 4.5 WHOA! he really showed him up

if you didn’t want to use sacks as a stat, then why did you bring it up in the comparison to Willis?

Because the are both Inside linebackers! that’s why i compared them, your trying to twist it around and compare that to the entire league which includes DE’s in a 4-3 and OLB’s in a 3-4 that rush the passer on a consistent basis.

and i really could give two shits about Marshall’s contract the guy is one of the best in the league and will only get better the fact that your arguing whether he deserves it or on is ridiculous

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't comparing.

You said he had low sack totals because he was a 4-3 OLB. But in those very same years his teammates both OLB and MLB had more sacks then he did. And Dansby played ROLB in 2007, do some research. Yes, Okeafor only had .5 more sacks. But who the hell is Okeafor anyways? A relative nobody had more sacks than the guy praise so highly. That speaks volumes.

I’ve already told you that I made comparisons to the same positions (2009 to other ILB, 2008/2007 to all LBs). In those findings I found many players with better numbers at the same position he played in the same formation. Please read my comments before submitting a rebuttal. It’s getting tiresome having to repeat myself continually to you.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

IF you did some research

you would know Dansby played out of position in 07’ and is more suited to be a ILB

A relative nobody had more sacks than the guy praise so highly. That speaks volumes.

really? does it because Dansby is twice the player Okeafor is. Your trying to make that statement based on his sack totals when Dansby isn’t even a fuckin Pass rusher.

I’ve already told you that I made comparisons to the same positions (2009 to other ILB, 2008/2007 to all LBs).

really? because in 08’ Dansby was tied for 4th among ILB for sacks, so why would you put his ranking among all LBs?

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad Dansby played OLB in '08.

So what you’re saying is, that for the first 5 years of Dansby’s career he played out of position? He played OLB in college!! So where do you get this info from? Do you just make things up as you go? Obviously debating with you is pointless if you don’t read my comments and choose to fabricate statements to support your argument.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your a slow learner
So what you’re saying is, that for the first 5 years of Dansby’s career he played out of position?

No because the Cardinals ran a traditional 4-3 for most of Dansby’s career so when he was a OLB in the 4-3 he was fine

He played OLB in college!!

No DUHHH!! Dansby was a OLB in college…In a 4-3 defense! that’s not the same as an OLB in a 3-4

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moss is old and isn't great as he used to be.

He doesn’t work hard. CJ has put up the numbers like the oter WRs. And i don’t think Wayne is better than BM, Wayne has one of the best pure passers throwing to him. BM had Orton throwing to him and still broke a NFL record

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by PotM on Jul 5, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need to understand NFL economics

You need to concentrate on the way the NFL’s pay system works to understand why Dansby is the second highest ILB and Marshall is the highest paid WR. The NFL constantly has star players leapfrogging over other players when negotiating new contracts. You see it every season when players use the current highest paid player as a base line when negotiating a contract. This is why Revis is using Asomugha’s contract as a baseline for his current negotiations and the same thing will played vice versa when it’s time for Oakland to resign their star CB. This is also why Willis leapfrogged Dansby… because he was signed afterwards.

You can voice your opinion on who the best WR is i nthe game whether it’s Wayne, Marshall, Fitz, or Johnson. When Fitzgerald resigned, it made him the highest paid WR. When Wayne resigns soon, it is likely he will then be paid the highest amount. Same will go for Johnson. In a matter of a year or so Marshall will be the fifth or sixth highest paid WR. Would you rather Miami give him the contract now or wait 2 years to make him the highest paid WR then? By then, he’d be guaranteed $60 million.

by Finhead83 on Jul 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know all about NFL economics.

But this isn’t about NFL economics, this is about feeding players ego’s. Marshall was given the contract he was given to keep his personality in check. If they paid him based on his production, basically an average of the top 5 WR salaries, he’s going to feel disrespected and it will lead to locker room issues.

This is why salaries have gotten so out of whack since FA was created. Players are rarely paid by their production. They’re paid for their potential, that’s usually based off one year wonders (ie Albert Haynesworth).

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

umm

Marshall wasn’t being paid to his production so this payday was well deserved. Larry Fitzgerald set the new mark, so in due time the Calvin johnsons, and the Vincent Jacksons of the world are going to leapfrog it..these guys have yet to be paid.

P.s. Albert Haynesworth wasn’t a 1 year wonder, he’s been dominate for a few years now. You don’t pay a guy 100 Million off potential, they paid him for what he was, even though that contract was ridiculous Haynesworth was still a beast.

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What has Haynesworth done?

There are plenty of DT that are better, and have produced more. He lead all DT in sacks in 2008, but in 2007 and 2009 there were at least 7 guys who had more sacks. That number goes up even more when looking at tackles and forced fumbles. He got paid because he finally put some effort into playing in a contract year. He got paid, then went back to being mediocre again. Big surprise.

Yes, Marshall deserved a raise. I’m not debating that fact. I simple stated the raise should have been in the top 5, not the top 1. I’d be making the same argument if Vincent Jackson gets a payday more than Marshall.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok whatever i really could care less

about Haynesworth, but…

Yes, Marshall deserved a raise. I’m not debating that fact. I simple stated the raise should have been in the top 5, not the top 1. I’d be making the same argument if Vincent Jackson gets a payday more than Marshall.

you clearly don’t understand the NFL economics, do you understand that Jackson is most likely going to get paid more than Marshall, that just how it works. Your trying to get into stats to prove that Marshall isn’t one of the best in the league when in reality he is. Do you see anyone else other than you complaining that Marshall doesnt deserve that contract? Im sure if this statement was the true the media would’ve blown it up

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand NFL economics perfectly.

I’m sorry that you believe NFL economics means overpaying player after player to feed their egos, instead of paying for their production.

It’s owners that think like you that cause lists like this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/132344-top-10-worst-nfl-free-agent-signings

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly don't want to face the facts

it’s not just free agents either. When the Falcons drafted Matt Ryan with the #3 overall pick he became one of the highest paid quarterbacks, then a year later Matt Stafford supplanted that, and this year i expect Sam Bradford to do the same

thats how thing work whether you want to face the reality or not is up to you

p.s. the Bleacher report is as big a joke as your argument

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now your barking up the wrong tree

You may think may be owners like “us” (I wish I was one) that cause the problem in the NFL. Deuce and I never said we approve of this system. We’re just saying that is how it is in the NFL. I wish players would accept the third best contract for the WR if they had the third best production for a WR… but it doesn’t work like that. Give me one name of a player that accepted the third best contract fot his position because he had the third best production stats.

by Finhead83 on Jul 5, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not about the player accepting lower money

It’s about the owners offering too much. But part of it is due to the bidding war FA has become, and it forces teams to overpay a player to ensure they get his services. it just snowballs after that, as players translate that as being what that specific player is worth. When it had nothing to with their worth, but more about outbidding the competition. This comment wasn’t directed at you. But I wouldn’t say Deuce doesn’t approve of the system. His own statement proves otherwise, “and i really could give two shits about Marshall’s contract the guy is one of the best in the league and will only get better the fact that your arguing whether he deserves it or on is ridiculous”.

Luckily there are players like Reggie Wayne, Tom Brady, and even our own Dan Marino who restructure their contracts for less money to help out the team.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

did i ever say i approved the system?

whether i like it or not that’s how it is.

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the name of the game

Any time you have people bidding on a product, in this case an NFL player, you are likely to overpay for the product you purchase. It doesn’t matter if you’re buying Brandon Marshall or a valued item on E-Bay.

Even players who restructure their contracts still get huge amounts of money because they can’t restructure the bonus money. And for ever Reggie Wayne (who Indy is trying to sign to an extension), you have a Brett Favre who soaks up $15 million per year and criticizes his teammates (Javon Walker in this case) for not accepting a $5 million per year contract.

by Finhead83 on Jul 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow well said sir

the NFL is a business, and there is a high demand for quality players

like it or not that’s how it is

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that's how the system has warped to over the years.

I’m not disputing that fact. I’m not disagreeing with you on how things are done. I’m simply stating that I feel we overpaid for the services of Marshall and Dansby, and I provided statistical evidence as to why I thought that way.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Look at it this way. In 1 year, both will be around the fourth or fifth highest paid at their position. By signing now, they may have structured their contract where it is front loaded for 2010, where there is no salary cap. This would enable them to have a very reasonable cap number in future years. Do they still get the same amount of money in the contract? Yes, but the situation could have helped Miami.

We also don’t know how much are considered into roster bonuses as well. Marshall may have a series of roster bonuses to ensure Miami can release/trade him with less of a financial burden (their not signing bonuses). This can protect the team in case he acts up.

Either way, they’re both getting paid. Without being able to look at the specifics (which haven’t been released) in the contracts, we won’t know exactly how much of a burden these contracts are on the Dolphins.

by Finhead83 on Jul 5, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

once again

well said man..Dansby has already been leapfrogged by Willis as far as contracts are concerned, and it wont stop there because you have Jon Beason, David Harris, etc all waiting for their big deals. Now once they get paid Dansby will be like you said the 4th or 5th highest paid player at the position

so i dont see what luvs2drnk is complaining about

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We already know Marshall has clauses in his contract.

That was a mandatory requirement from the FO, and rightly so. I’m sure the contracts have been front loaded and back loaded at least in Marshall’s case. Dansby’s contract will probably be the more burdening contract of the two, but will be worth it over the long run.

It’s hard to assume how contract’s will look considering there’s no CBA right now, and we don’t know how the new one will shape up. It could cause quite a shake up of how contract’s are structured in the future. So until then we have no real idea how these two contracts will affect the Dolphins in the future.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 5, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

When humanity is extinct.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 5, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 5, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not. I have long since quite

measuring my success by how much crap I have collected.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 5, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

my boy is 4 year's of age he has this sertin mantallity

no it’s a fixation get this my wife yoused to work for this wealthy lawer & her son & nico’s birthday are very close on the same mounth he happen’s to be a few years older so our son get’s toy’s that mostly a richer family could afford, well even though he get’s he want’s more. Now all the tonka truck’s are exspencive, they are very durable & a sound buy. In the long run if he play’s with them for the next 3 or 4 year’s I’m very happy. well here’s the qundry he doesen’t want them. He want’s what does not own!

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by wild zion beaver on Jul 5, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL TCP

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by PotM on Jul 5, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its true. Success in life should not

be measured by who winds up with the biggest pile of cash.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 5, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it is a pretty damn good indicator

lol

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if your a shallow human-being.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 5, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

riiiighht

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is true.

Listen to your elders DB

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by PotM on Jul 5, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY!!!!

thank you…it may seem that Marshall is the highest paid WR now, but there’s just another receiver behind him waiting to leapfrog his contract

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by Deuce Black on Jul 5, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

great read

rec’d

one thing: Pruitt is gonna have a tough time making the roster, let alone being our #2 WR. Hopefully he surprises a lot of people in TC and preseason.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 27, 2010 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks bruh

I know he may sound like a long shot but i just have a feeling about him, i can’t wait to see what he does in TC

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by Deuce Black on Jun 27, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think, if he turns it on this TC and preseason.

He will get some chances, like Hartline last season

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by PotM on Jun 27, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree about Pruitt being a long shot.

But we ARE talking about “potential”, right? I wrote an article on him months ago, and in researching him i became impressed with his potential. If he can make the transition to running NFL routes, he could be a good find.

Take a look:
Could we already have a #1 WR on our roster? Take a look at Julius Pruitt

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine the possibilities if we have Pruitt be a M. Austin and BM opposite each other.

Bess in the slot, Fasano at TE and RB in the backfield. My mouth is already salvating.

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by PotM on Jul 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have... =)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 5, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

great job

enjoyed the piece and it really does make you think. This season could be really good…or it could go in the other direction.

Like you point out, potential is scary.

by Matty I on Jun 27, 2010 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks

and yes potential is very scary

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by Deuce Black on Jun 27, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha thanks Beav

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by Deuce Black on Jun 27, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is really disterbing....

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by Kdog92 on Jun 28, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol i didn't get that either

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think potential CAN be a dangerous thing.

But what’s more dangerous(er) is the lack of it.

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by Tunaflipper on Jun 28, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Precisely.

And while I’m feeling contrary ~

DB, I believe you mean ‘complement’ instead of ‘compliment’ all three times you use it. And as long as we’re counting, I also believe, with a little research, that Fasano’s fumbles and drops can be shown to be finite in number rather than countless.

Hey, I can’t help myself; I’m old,

by Yorke Hunt on Jun 28, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh

thanks man, appreciate it

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

who on that list has a lack of potential?

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't say anyone did

It’s more about what’s dangerous.

But since you asked, Turner, maybe?

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by Tunaflipper on Jun 28, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh but i don't see how someone without any potential

being very dangerous…as for Turner.. no comment

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

As small as NFL rosters get, everybody ought to have potential.

If they don’t they’re dangerous to the team (and should be off it).

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by Tunaflipper on Jun 28, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not too late to tweak and strengthened our safety and olb postions. Teams that drfted these positions will have to release some too.Good post and pep rally deuce.

by fin4three5yrs on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks man

and i was thinking as insurance we would sign a guy like Adalius Thomas, but that doesn’t seem likely and as for safety there really aren’t any free agents left but well see how camp goes and who gets released

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh good suggestion

but none of our potential kick returners have a history or returning kicks at a high level (maybe RGM that returned a punt in the CFL but then again that’s the CFL)

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Read!!

I think this year will depend on Henne, its his season to lose. If he can show he has grown to a NFL QB then we got a great shot,if he has learned the touch pass,the deep throw on a line, which he has the arm for, then the defense can stay rested and off the field. He has a great mentor so its on him now. The only thing bad about CP is he checks down real fast, now that is not a horrible thing but as we know there is hardly ever a big play. Some times you need the big play to jump start your team. We have some tuff games this year, and our D is good just not great. I think it will fall on CH and how well he does.

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by 21Dave on Jun 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks man

and i agree Henne is the key to success this season

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks bruh

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post

I agree with most of your points except for your take on the tight end position. I don’t think fasano had “countless” drops and fumbles. He had 4 all year which is bad for a tight end, but half of them came in that embarrassment in week one, in which the whole team played like shit. I think the fumbles were a flukes and I don’t remember that many drops. I think now that we have Marshall fasano will get back to his ’08 form and dominate this season.

by BigPuma23 on Jun 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

maybe i shouldve chose a different word

but if you watched every game this season it was a disappointment watching Fasano

he started cleaning up his act later on in the season, but earlier he dropped passes and the fumbles were only in the Atlanta game so once again i shouldve chose a different word…also after watching Fasano play in 08’ i knew this year was a fluke so i look for him to bounce back

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have a hard time gauging Fasano

as well as a few others.
We had a lot of holes and filled them with “suitable” placeholders to get us through the ’08 season. So was Fasano “good” by comparison to the overall talent level of the team that year? And was he “good” because we had few WR options and a QB that liked to throw short passes? And was he “good” because we had an incredible power running game behind R&R and the Wildcat?

Then last season, we actually had better talent, but we had some transitional growth pains. New QB that was trying to push the ball downfield. Injuries that effected the power run game. A “D” that had us playing catch-up far too often. So was Fasano “disappointing” because of these factors?

This will be the best season to judge his talent (assuming we don’t have more major injuries to a key players).

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 28, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ahhh good point

we gotta be real that 08’ season was nothing short of a miracle, and that goes for players performances as well. I think Fasano was targeted more in 08’ because of the fact that Pennington is a small ball quarterback.

As for Fasanos year, its hard to say because his play wasn’t necessarily up to par and then you add everything else and it becomes a pretty disappointing season

but i agree this year is the year. With players like Ronnie Brown, Marshall, and Jake Long..it should be easier to judge whether or not Fasano is the real deal, same goes for Henne, and amlot of others on our offense

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

you said pennington has small balls

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 28, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hahah

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by phinnyhenne28 on Jun 28, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

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by Deuce Black on Jun 28, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Potential on Fasano?

I was a little skeptical of trying to gauge the potential of Randy Starks because he’s been in the leagure for some years now. I decided to go with it because it is a new position for him. I’m aware he played DT in Tennessee, but this is his first year playing the role of a NT. Hopefully he’ll turn something in similar as Jay Ratcliffe in Dallas.

Fasano on the other hand has player some years as well and I think we’ve seen him peaked in the NFL. He fell off in 2009, but based on his experience, I don’t think we can expect a much better performance from him than what he did in 2008.

by Finhead83 on Jun 29, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

if he continues to play at 2008 form with 7+ TDs a year

then thats all we can ask for in a tight end

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Plus he has good blocking skills. As exciting as it may be to have a TE who can spread defenses thin, that is not really the strategy for this regime when they prefer the ground and pound. As long as Fasano continues to block well and can be a reliable underneath option in the passing game, I am fine with his position on the roster.

by Finhead83 on Jun 29, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dfense wins championships!!

Dan Henning will not let Henne kill us! He will however let him grow. Periodically throughout the year in situational football. The D has all the Bullseyes on them now!! Jets, Pats and yes even the Bills are wettn there lips for this D… with last years outcomes in mind! D is the Key! Let us not forget our “top 5 rushing game” is older and coming off of some big injuries! Our “Gift from the Broncos” has not caught one pass for the Aqua,coral, and white! Remember David Boston?, Remember the 94’ season? When we were a shoe in for the SB? I’m just saying! I will still be sitting on the edge of my couch every Sunday until we can finally put a team away by the 3rd Qtr. That is the reality of this Organization! We need to learn how to Dominate!!

by IAphinlifer on Jun 29, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Bruh you just read my mind and youll understand later

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by Deuce Black on Jun 29, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marshall and Boston comparison?

What did these two have in common? Big numbers from prior teams… except Boston had some other less than stellar seasons prior to Miami.

What do they not have in common? Marshall did not have injury or steroid problems like Boston did. I get your opinion that we can’t expect Marshall to have the same numbers. However, I think we can expect Marshall to actually get on the field. That was Boston’s downfall. He couldn’t stay healthy and never had the same abilities after he left Arizona because the injuries were crippling his game.

by Finhead83 on Jun 30, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing Marshall to Boston makes zero sense.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i ageed with the defense part not all the other stuff you said

i cant believe you mentioned Davis Boston of all people

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by Deuce Black on Jun 30, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

hello ollie

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hello ollie

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's alive, that's what counts

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news!

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw you had some duplication problems last nite

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

A not some.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a problem not some problems.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is how it starts

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Is that so?

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I have had all my shots so I think I will be fine.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about your comp?

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its fine.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good

PC or Mac?

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

PC. I would love a Mac though. I have a lap top

that I use most of the time. Once it starts to go down hill I will get another.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mac has little tiny probs that you

don’t see at first. Like on the mac, Microsoft Office doesn’t have a save as feature, takes awile to get around. Also, you pay more for getting a mac, you can get a comparable PC for less money.

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Mac is so much better in other ways.

Its no surprise that MS did not write their program to work well on a mac.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, my mom has had her mac

for over a year, and still has trouble doing some of the stuff she does on a daily basis

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are certainly some tricks that you have to learn.

I know that if your editing music or video at a high level you want nothing but a mac. Likewise if your doing anything with graphic arts then you want a mac.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

A mac is like purpose

built for artists.

The PC is for reports, and everything else. You know what normal people need.

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you can have a box like my brother

with both OS’s.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Box=CPU. OS's=Operating Systems.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't want to run that MS crap on your mac,

that MS crap has problems every where, mac has their own programs and software, I have Keynote, Pages, and Numbers and can do whatever I need to, with NO problems, I have dealt with both PC and mac and mac blows the other comps away, most of the time its not even close, unless you want to drop some real $ and get a custom Alienware or something.

by uncle finster on Jul 3, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Mac is far superior.

Even against the top of the line PC a top of the line Mac is going to kill it every-time. Besides all the glitches with PC are gone and Macs hardly ever get viruses.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why mac lovers are the way they are,

its not just another comp, its a mac, and when you own one you find that out, oh and ANY type of help you might need, they are johnny on the spot, beyond compare.

by uncle finster on Jul 3, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Anyone is better with help than

microsoft.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 3, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true. Apple not winning that lawsuit

was a huge sham and had more do to with the courts not understanding the difference in the technology more than anything. Where Apple screwed up was that when IBM came calling they should have sold their OS to them and then we would all be on Macs today.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

they would have won the case most likely, that wasn’t really in question, Apple was on the verge of collapsing, they needed money NOW, lol, the case was going to drag out years in all likely hood, so they settled out of court, for like 1.1 billion I think, but it was weird, Apple only got like 600 mil of it, the rest went to different fundings or something like that.

by uncle finster on Jul 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw you had some duplication problems last nite

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's alive, that's what counts

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by PotM on Jun 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good deal...

I’m glad you BOTH made it

by The Earl on Jun 30, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all hope that Henne lives up to his potential

This regime is riding on his sucess

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 29, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Read.....

You have hit on all the trouble areas of this team. One thing – you say that the FO “has faith in the players we have” because they didnt address these positions in the draft – like TE or safety until (5th) and NT at all… I say that the Front office F-ed UP withe these choices…. Everyone knows that I am more critical than most – of this front office. and YES… I am grateful for thier great moves (Dansby & Marshall) plus Mike Nolan – which was luck. but failure to address NT, TE and getting a stud OLB might prove to much for this defense. Lets be honest here – If this team fails to make the playoffs again – this season is not a success – and you have to blame that on the FO.
If we do make the playoffs, Starks plays well at NT, TE position is solid (Fasano + ?) , we get enough sacks/pressure from the OLB & safety dosent let us down – then this FO gets ALL THE CREDIT FROM ME…… My biggest fear is that we are too small at NT and will be “run on” up the middle…I know Starks will give his all but….. and actually think Clemons will be fine at safety.

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by 62Lou on Jun 30, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

Starks played about 5-10lbs lighter than Fergy last season, I think it’s a safe bet that he put on 5 lbs. Would you say we struggled vs the run with 315lb Jason Ferguson in there?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 30, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Naw he said he wast going to gain any weight for the season

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by Deuce Black on Jun 30, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

just by lifting weights to get stronger

he’s going to gain some weight. He may not be actively trying to put pounds on, but he’s going to gain a few lbs just from trying to improve his strength.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 30, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not so much the weight as it is the player,

because you’ll agree that MOST NTs are 220+, some guys can play it smaller, most cant, I wouldn’t say he can play it just because he weighs the same as Fergy, Fergy is somewhat of an exception.

by uncle finster on Jul 3, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

220+?

I think that is most LBs

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by PotM on Jul 3, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

big Fan of STARKS... BUT

I am a huge Starks (at DE) fan… and know he will give 110% at NT. I’m just worried that the will wear down quickly if he spends the majority of plays playing a 3-4 NT facing a double team. PLUS – we lose his outside pressure (7 sacks) last year…. do you think Odrick gets 7 sacks his rookie year ? How about Merling getting 7 sacks ? He hasnt yet……………If he was in a traditional 4-3 all the time I would totally be comfortable here- in a 4-3 you don’t need a HUGE NT to face the double team. I said last year we should switch to a 4-3 move Starks inside and play Merling at DE.
Regarding Fergy – I am not on the bandwagon that he is some kind of great NT – just no way – he is just not a top 10 NT and you need that at least if you want to dominate on DEF…He is very much past his prime, not that its his fault.

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by 62Lou on Jun 30, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Jay Ratliff
Vince Wilfork
Casey Hampton
Aubrayo Franklin
Pat Williams
B.J. Raji
Kris Jenkins
Terrence Cody
Kelly Gregg
Shaun Rogers

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 30, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with all but

B.J. Raji? Kelly Gregg?

Raji was injured was pretty much injured all last season and hes not even the packers starter, Ryan Pickett is there nose tackle

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by Deuce Black on Jun 30, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

B.J. Raji was the top defensive tackle prospect in the 2009 NFL Draft and you could virtually put him anywhere in any defense. Raji started out playing defensive end in the 3-4, but wasn’t that effective. Raji was then moved to nose tackle and did a tremendous job for the Pack. I really expect Raji to step up his game in 2010 with all the better nose tackles in the league aging Raji is right in their foot steps.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 30, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Glenn Doresey was the top defensive tackle prospect in the 2008 draft

whats your point?

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by Deuce Black on Jul 2, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never...

Never will I put an unknown player in front of a player who was a solid contributor over 10+ years. You might as already say Bradford and Stafford are top 10 QBs because they were the top QB prospects. Oh yeah, so was Russell. Much less a 2nd rounder like Cody. Let Cody and Raji prove themselves before saying they’re better than a top notch NT.

If you want to notice how much of an impact Ferguson has, take a look at the Miami’s run defense before and after Ferguson’s injury. You’ll notice quite the disparity.

by Finhead83 on Jul 3, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cody?

Shaun Rogers? Franklin after 1 good season in his entire career? Some dubious names on that list there Lefty lol

That reads more like a “NFL Starting NT’s” list, not a “10 NT’s better than Jason Ferguson” list.

Wilfork, Ratliff, Jenkins, Hampton, I’ll give you. Jamal Williams maybe. Pat Williams plays in 4-3, always has. Raji started once last season, he’s not in the conversation. Cody hasn’t done squat. Rogers is one of the laziest players in the league, he may be better than Ferguson on a select few plays, but not overall. Gregg is decent, nothing more, nothing less.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is it important for him to do squats?

lower body strength?

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 30, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

not squatS

squat, dick, bubkus. And yes, he better get his fat ass in the weight room lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 30, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that we have to get some answers......

but not sure that the explanation for not targeting people in the draft/free agency because the FO is happy with the current roster. Only so many picks and so much money.

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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Jul 2, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

no no no buddy

that’s definitely not the case this is an uncapped year(even though ppl are still on a budget), and Stephen Ross has plenty of money

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by Deuce Black on Jul 3, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but if you sign them this year then they will still count against your cap when it comes

back in future years.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 3, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

true but he was using

that as an excuse for not targeting some players which i think is far from the situation

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by Deuce Black on Jul 3, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can be to a degree. You pretty much have to operate like you still have a cap

unless your signing guys to one year deals.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 3, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per snap, Wake had a top-5 season last year as a pass rusher. The only concern – I see – is as to whether or not he can produce at that rate with increased snaps. Also, Starks is about the same size as Ferg.

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by sister_ray on Jul 6, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

... the real concern is whether or not he can fill the other roles of a full time OLB effectively

like run support and pass coverage. They think he is athletic enough for coverage, but he has never really been tried in the that capacity. He has always been played as a pass rusher.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh

Wake looked better against the run than Porter last season. Porter was/is a pass-rush only OLB – same with Dumervil. I’d like Wake to become and all-around OLB, but I’ll accept him as a specialist.

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by sister_ray on Jul 6, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be more well rounded than either of them

in the long run, but I love the fact that he is a big pass rush threat

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by PotM on Jul 6, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^

but if we can find a well rounded SOLB, that would be dangerous

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by PotM on Jul 6, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

little bit of a missed point here i think

if you want him to be more than a situational pass rusher (i.e. only in on plays in which we know, and the offense knows, he is going to rush the passer), then he needs to be able to cover. He doesn’t need to be great against the run, but he needs to prove that he can be in on passing plays in which we are not going to rush him.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 6, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

trace armstrong was a specialist

nice to have. but they will always play a limited number of snaps. that was my point about seeing Wake in an expanded role. he won’t play a lot more snaps as a “specialist”.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 6, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

not true.

DE? yes. but he was a sack artist in his 3 seasons with the Fins, starting a total of 2 games in his last 3 seasons. The only reason the Fins kept him around was as a pass rush specialist. And BTW, during the same time period, JT was also a DE, so that doesn’t really mean anything. A pass rush can come from either position, depending on the assignments.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 6, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was comfortable against the run too, his "struggles" against the run are overstated here,

he is a passrushing LB, they are only going to be so good against the run, Peezy is a good run defender for a passrusher, which is what he is, thats the position he plays, just sayin.

by uncle finster on Jul 6, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 6, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

found this from Omar

Don’t always agree with him, but he is pretty good when writing about the technicalities of a position. i think he says this well:

Wake is clearly the best pressure player based on his athleticism, quick burst and pass-rushing moves. But his inability to master everything else that comes with the outside linebacker position — run stuffing, pass coverage, quickly diagnosing plays — continues to hinder his development.

Most of this offseason he was used as the pass-rushing specialist who was called on during passing downs. That’s the identical role he held in the second half of last season

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 6, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its all well and good,

but there is nothing you can tell in PJs, we won’t know until TC is underway.

by uncle finster on Jul 6, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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