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The Roster Bubble: Cornerback

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I took a little bit of a break from these "roster bubble" break downs. But let's get back at them. Keep in mind that they serve no purpose other than laying things out for camp and (perhaps) sparking some healthy discussion/debate.

I do plan on bringing back the popular "Depth Chart Bubble Watch" feature for when camp does finally begin late next month. For now, though, these quick snapshots are good food for thought as we enter the doldrums of the NFL offseason.

If you missed the previous installments, you can click here for the first one (QBs and RBs) and here for the second one (WRs).

Cornerbacks
Safe: Sean Smith, Vontae Davis, Will Allen
Bubble: Jason Allen, Nolan Carroll, Evan Oglesby, Nate Ness

First off, I know I left off two undrafted rookies. That wasn't an accident. Until either of them show anything in camp, they are long shots to even make the practice squad.

We should also preface this by saying that Will Allen isn't a "lock" to be on the 53 man roster. Depending on how his recovery from a torn ACL is going, he could be a candidate for the PUP list. However, I think that's unlikely. We'll know more by August I'm sure.

Star-divide

For the purpose of this post, though, let's assume Will is ready to go, meaning he and the two second-year kids (Vontae and Sean) are the top three on the depth chart. Most teams will keep up to five corners on the 53 man roster. If that's what the Dolphins plan to do, we will see an interesting battle for that last roster spot.

Everybody's favorite whipping boy (other than Ted Ginn, of course) has been Jason Allen, the safety turned corner turned safety turned corner. This is an interesting year for Allen. With no new CBA in place, the Dolphins could release the first round bust with minimal consequences thanks to the lack of a salary cap.

On the other hand, Allen is only owed $1.27 million in 2010 and just $980,000 in 2011. That final year of his deal (2011) is also a voidable year. Therefore Allen is essentially playing for his next contract. And truth be told, Allen was not too bad in his very limited role last season. How limited? The kid played about 80 defensive snaps all season. But on ten passes thrown his way, Allen allowed 6 completions for just 37 yards.

Allen was also second on the team in special teams tackles. Considering the team leader in that category, Nathan Jones, is no longer with the team, Jason's special teams contributions should be enough for him to stick on the final roster.

If that is indeed the case and the Dolphins decide to keep five corners, then the final spot will likely come down to rookie Nolan Carroll and veteran Evan Oglesby.

Carroll was drafted with the fifth round pick the Dolphins got in exchange for Ted Ginn. He's got good size and great speed, reportedly running a sub 4.4 40 at 6'1, 200 pounds [correction: the team's official site has Carroll listed at 5'11]. He's received praise from the vets, too, throughout this offseason. But he is injury prone - and that could be a major issue.

Oglesby is a five year veteran who has played in 37 career games for three different teams - mostly as a special teamer. He was signed in late November by the Dolphins last offseason and only played in one game as a member of this team. But he does have a connection to some members of this coaching staff, having spent the 2007 season with the Cowboys.

But you have to imagine Carroll is the favorite to make the squad, if he can stay on the field for all of training camp.


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i agree with you matty,

Jason allen will make it because he’s a good special teamer, and carrol will make it for being a rookie.

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by dolger14 on Jun 15, 2010 5:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Matty did you mean......

“And truth be told, Allen WAS OR WASN’T too bad in his very limited role last season.”

I would like to point out that a majority of those passes were when he was matched up against Randy Moss, when Davis went down with an injury in the game. So 6 catches for 37 yards isn’t too bad against Randy Moss. But I’ve always thought the guy has gotten a bad wrap, and the early position changes in his career stunted his growth. You should check out this week’s MMQB written by Nnamdi Asomugha, it’s actually quite insightful.

As for the bubble watch on the CB position. I’d look for Carroll to take the final spot, playing special teams primarily this year. With some occasional playing time in Dime and Prevent packages. If he pans out, look for him to be Allen’s (Jason or Will) replacement next year.

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by luvs2drnk on Jun 15, 2010 6:19 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed on everything

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by finzrule on Jun 15, 2010 7:14 AM EDT reply actions  

My 5 CB's

Smith
Davis
W.Allen
J.Allen
N.Carroll

by h3at23 on Jun 15, 2010 7:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Correction Matty

 Carroll is 5’11" not 6’1"

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Link it or it did not happen

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or wearing high heels

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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Jun 15, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

That too

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

9.3" hands though

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok?

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 1:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

but how many stones?

LOL

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by Dragon27az on Jun 15, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

200 pounds=14.2857143 Stone

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by texascowpunk on Jun 15, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

9.3" hands though

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't i just read this?

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by Alpha6 on Jun 15, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

he must have computer issues

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

everything I see says that he is 6'1''

and here is one link:

and here is another link:

So, I am going to roll with that he is actually 6’1’’ since two different sites reports have him listed as that. Two inches doesnt seem like a big deal, but it is when you are talking about DB’s

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by Dragon27az on Jun 15, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

dang

links aint working, so:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24121

and

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52194&PT=7&PR=2

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by Dragon27az on Jun 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

bith of those sites are powered by yahoo sports and they are both unofficial

the site i gave before was from his combine measurments, but anyway dont take my word for it heres the official miami dolphins roster

http://www.miamidolphins.com/team/roster

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep says 5-11.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

those arent two different sites they are two of the same thing

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i wasnt making a big deal just correcting Matty on his info

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one seems fairly obvious

Don’t see how anybody but the 5 picked above would make the team.
Smith, Davis, Allen, Allen, Carroll

Only way this won’t happen would be W.A. going on PUP.

As Trent Dilfer would say, “I really like the make-up of this group of corners.” I totally agree with TD on this one. Finally the little punk ass QB gets one right.

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by madcitydave on Jun 15, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Top Five:

Smith
Davis
W. Allen
J. Allen
Carroll

The Jest better watch out! We got one hell of a CB core!

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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Jun 15, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you know that our franchise has made only one first overall draft pick?

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

NO-LAN CAR-ROLL

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by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 15, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

as a maryland student

im eager to see nolan get the coming out year he was supposed to have last year in college. he’s a great athlete and has just figured the position out

by t.shug on Jun 15, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fear the Turtle.

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by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 16, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if it's top 4?

I think that’s the more interesting question.

Who stays who goes?

Carrol or Allen?

by westcoastdolphin on Jun 15, 2010 3:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Would the Dolphins take Oglesby

And try to stash Carroll on the PS?

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by Kevin Nogle on Jun 15, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

oglesby is a camp body

so i think they are just going to roll with Carroll

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

he played for the ravens at one point, so I he should be at least in the disscussion

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

True but even the Ravens have someone that is a weak spot on the defense even if

that is covered up by the fact that everyone else is so strong.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but he should be in the disscussion

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps. In the end it will all work itself out.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 15, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but he should be in the disscussion

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by PotM on Jun 15, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only discussion Oglesby will be in

is the one about getting cut

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he was also released by the Ravens twice

after Chris McAlister and Samari Rolle passed their prime corner hasn’t exactly been their strong point, so that’s not saying much

hell, Frank Walker (who?) played for the ravens at one point is he in the discussion too

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness to Carroll breaking a leg isnt really being injury prone

i would categorize chronic knee and tendon problems as being injury prone ala Ronnie Brown

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by Souwantmyname on Jun 15, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

You must not know what chronic means
In fairness to Carroll breaking a leg isnt really being injury prone

i would categorize chronic knee and tendon problems as being injury prone ala Ronnie Brown

Ronnie actually has a new injury everytime most recently his hand, Acl (knee), and Lisfranc (foot) other than that Ronnie is clean none of his injuries are reoccuring in the same area.

now Carroll on the other hand, broke his leg as a high school senior. Missed the Emerald Bowl as a sophomore at Maryland with a hamstring injury, Broke his leg again in the second game of the 2009 season, and Carroll again broke his leg while you were reading this sentence.

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Osteoporoses?

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by Alpha6 on Jun 15, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol probably didnt drink enough milk as a kid

i don’t know if i could trust my leg if it broke twice

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by Deuce Black on Jun 15, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

See ya Oglesby

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 15, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Something to remember about Will Allen

He might be in jail for part of the season.

by Mattwa on Jun 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

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