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80-man Roster Breakdown...How far the Dolphins Have Come!!!



80-Man Roster Breakdown

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I decided to review the Dolphins 80 man roster heading into training camp in a few months. What I found was a team with more talent and more depth then I have seen in 15 years as a Dolphins fan...

OFFENSE

QB

Locks

Chad Henne, Chad Pennington, Pat White

Battlers

Tyler Thigpen

Camp Bodies

None

First off, Chad Henne is our unquestioned starter and future at QB. Now for the intrigue...

It is my opinion that as much as Pat White has struggled, his 2nd round draft status will save him from being cut this training camp. The trio has too much invested in him to give up after one year no matter how bad he plays. Worst and most likely scenario for him is that he sits inactive most of the season. The guy has alot of talent though, and I am not counting him out just yet.

Though Pennington is not even 100% yet and an unquestioned backup going into 2010, I believe he is too valuable from a mental standpoint for the Dolphins to dump him. They re-signed him for a reason he will be a Dolphin in 2010 barring unforseen circumstances.

While I am a big Tyler Thigpen fan and believe he is probably the second best QB on the team right now, there is a chance that a QB needy team will come calling in training camp with an offer too good to refuse. Therefore, Tyler Thigpen is not a lock.

RB/FB

Locks

Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Lousaka Polite

Battlers

Patrick Cobbs, Lex Hilliard, Kory Sheets

Camp Bodies

Tristan Davis, Rolly Lumbala

First off, I do think that more than likely Lex Hilliard and Patrick Cobbs will both be on the team come September. However, there is an outside possibility that they end up fighting for one roster spot. Cobbs is a Sparano favorite and was an important player for the 2008 team, but at the end of the day he is a 3rd string RB coming off an ACL tear. If he doesn't regain his form the team may be forced to part with him or place him on PUP. Still, I could see him keeping his spot as strictly a special teams ace ala former Dolphin Travis Minor.

I thought Lex Hilliard did a great job when he was forced into action late in 2009. He now has in game experience which is valuable and I think his running style is what this regime likes. Hilliard also was a former 6th round pick in 2008 who didn't make the team out of training camp. So if he's been cut before it stands to reason he can be cut again, especially if Patrick Cobbs shows flashes of his old self.

Kory Sheets was on the roster late last season and has potential as a return specialist so its hard to say he is a just a camp body. Sheets actually has an outside chance of making the roster as a return man, or if he vastly improves as a RB.

I have a hard time seeing Cobbs being released, and an even harder time seeing Hilliard being cut. Still, neither player is a lock because there always is that chance that Miami decides to only keep 3 RB. Sheets is a player to keep an eye on but one who realistically will probably be off the 53 man roster come September. Rolly Lumbala and Tristan Davis are camp bodies in the truest sense and probably won't even make it past first cuts.

WR

Locks

Brandon Marshall, Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, Greg Camarillo

Battlers

Patrick Turner, Ryan Grice-Mullen

Camp Bodies

Julius Pruitt, Taurus Johnson, Marlon Moore, Roberto Wallace

Before everyone jumps down my throat about all these former potential no.1 recievers (thats a joke) on my Camp Bodies list let me please explain. Every team brings 10 or 11 recievers to camp. That does not mean that all of these guys have a realistic chance to stick or that the team believes they all have longterm potential. The team needs to fill out their second and third team. I am not saying there is 0% chance Pruitt, Johnson, Moore or Wallace will emerge. I am just saying from my experience it is highly unlikely.

Now, to the players I actually think have a good chance. First off, i think it can be agreed upon that Marshall, Bess, Hartline and Camarillo will be our first 4 wideouts in any particular order come September. They are also likely to be the only players active on gamedays. That is where Turner and Grice-Mullen come in.

I am not a Patrick Turner fan. He has physical tools but that's about it. He was a disappointment in college and so far he has been a bust in the pro's. Still, as a 2009 3rd round pick this regime is going to give him every chance to make this team. His ceiling this season imo is as a 5th wideout who fights his way into a role. His floor is a spot on the Dolphins or another team's practice squad. Time will tell. I think he has a decent chance at making the team just because of his potential and draft status but if so he is likely to be inactive again. Then again, former Dolphins 2008 4th round pick G Shawn Murphy is a good example of this regime admitting mistakes quickly.

For Grice-Mullen it is much more simple. He will get a crack at the vacant KR position. If he succeeds he will make the team and be active on gamedays. If not its likely back to the CFL or an NFL PS. Those in Dolphins nation who think he can be as effective as Davone Bess should ease their expectations. However, of the journeymen wideouts at the back end of the roster, he has the best chance to stick with 4.3 speed and return ability.

TE

Locks

Anthony Fasano

Battlers

Joey Haynos, John Nalbone, Kory Sperry

Camp Bodies

None

I will start with one of the Dolphins most under appreciated players: Anthony Fasano. Yes, I know that he had a down year last year from a recieving standpoint. However, he is one of the best blocking TE's in the game and the Dolphins are a run first team after all. Having a complete TE like a Vernon Davis or Jason Witten is ideal but far from neccesary, especially when you have a alpha wideout like Brandon Marshall. Frankly, there aren't that many complete TE's around. There are alot of receiving TE's, and alot of blocking TE's, and a few All-Pros who are studs at both. Unless you have a top tier TE (there's only a handful of them) you should be happy to have a player at TE who is effective as either a blocker or pass catcher. Would I like to have Vernon Davis? Yes. Was I all for taking a TE high in April's draft when we had actual NEEDS? Hell no! Plus, Fasano was a pretty good pass catcher in 2008 and parts of 2009. I expect him to regain his form now that he doesn't have to stay in and block as frequently.

The other TE's will all be competing for roster spots. In theory, they could all make the team, two of them could, or only one of them could. It depends on each's progress. Obviously, Joey Haynos has a big leg up as he has lot's of game experience and he was the no.2 TE last season. Haynos' size is also a huge plus. Still, his dropped passes and lack of elite skill set makes him liable to be surpassed if he doesn't continue to improve.

John Nalbone is the guy to watch this training camp. This regime took him in the 5th round a year ago so they obviously saw something in him they liked. Still, he was released shortly after training camp and spent the year on the PS and was actually surpassed by undrafted TE Kory Sperry for a roster spot when Fasano was injured. This was a huge indictment on Nalbone's progress as a rookie, and he will sink or swim this training camp. Either he does what Lex Hilliard did a year ago and makes this team a year after failing to, or this regime will officially give up on him if he doesn't start to show something. He has the potential to emerge as a pass catching backup TE who compliments Fasano, and he has the potential to fall out of the league all together.

Kory Sperry is a guy with valuable game experience but a lack of elite tools. He has a chance to stick if he continues to improve but could easily be the odd man out if Nalbone starts to finally emerge.

OL

Locks

T Jake Long, T Vernon Carey, G John Jerry, C Joe Berger, C Jake Grove, G Richie Incognito, G Donald Thomas, T/G Nate Garner

Battlers

G Cory Proctor, T Andrew Gardner, T Lydon Murtha, G Andrew Hartline

Camp Bodies

Dimirti Tsoumpas, Ray Feinga

Easily the teams deepest group. Though there will be alot of competition at guard and center in training camp, Berger, Grove, Incognito, Thomas and Garner all have too much talent and experience not to make this team. It's just a matter of who is a starter and who is a quality reserve. As for Jerry, he is a lock because of his 3rd round draft status. Long and Carey need no explanation. Carey is the team's most under appreciated player imo.

It will be interesting to see how many O-lineman the Dolphins keep. Teams generally keep a minimum of 8, and as many as 10. I already have 8 as locks, so its possible that none of the above "battlers" will make the team. However, all four of them spent time on either the Dolphins or another team's rosters last season, and they all will have a real shot at making the team.

IMO Cory Proctor is far and away the most likely to make it. He is a quality backup with starting experience in Dallas and is relatively young. He was also coached by Sparano previously. Though Andrew Gardner was on the roster all season last year and was a 6th round pick by this regime, Nate Garner's ability to play RT in a pinch and Vernon Carey's ability to play LT makes having Gardner uneccesary unless he shows himself to be too valuale to let go. That means he needs to continue to improve and show his potential as a swing reserve.

Murtha and Hartline both were on the team at certain points last season, but frankly this unit is so deep they have little chance at sticking. They are both still PS eligible. Tsoumpas and Feinga are protoypical camp bodies, especially on this team.

Offensive Summary

Look how far we have come in 2 years. Going into camp this team has a young franchise QB, two supremely talented RB's, a punishing lead blocking FB, a no.1 alpha wideout and a great mix of complimentary recievers, a talented and underrated starting TE and backups with potential, and possibly the deepest O line in the league highlighted by one of the best blind side protectors in the game in Jake Long.

A bad team goes into training camp trying to find out who their starters are. A good team goes into training camp trying to decide who their backups are going to be. The Dolphins are a good team. Outside of competition at G and 2nd WR between talented and proven players, all the other competitions will all center around the back end of the roster. It is a relief to be talking about who will be our 5th wideout and not our 1st. Every team needs competition, but having your most hotly contested battles at 3rd string RB, Backup TE, and 5th wideout means this regime is doing something right.

Overall (Offense)

Locks: 19

Battlers: 13

Camp Bodies: 8

DEFENSE

DL

Locks

Kendall Langford, Jared Odrick, Phillip Merling, Randy Starks

Battlers

Paul Soliai, Tony McDaniel, Ryan Baker, Lional Dotson, Ikaika Alama-Francis, Travis Ivey

Camp Bodies

Brian Johnston

Suspended

Jason Ferguson

 

Another deep, competitive unit. It is not a coincidence that this team has so much talent on the Oline and Dline. Parcells believes that is where games are won and lost and he is absolutely correct. Randy Starks will be the starting NT and that is about all that has been decided. Kendall Langford is almost certainly going to be starting at one of the DE spots in the 3-4, but if Jared Odrick and Phillip Merling show the potential that made Miami use top 32 picks on both then Langford could be the odd man out. Still, it is highly unlikely that both players will fulfill their potential this training camp. Odrick because he is a rookie, and Merling because he is a career under achiever. More likely, Langford will start and be solid as always, and one of Merling and Odrick will win the other spot. My money is on the ultra talented Odrick, and in that case Merling will be a quality backup again this year on a team full of them. Unfortunately, they didn't draft him so high to be a backup. A Starks, Langford, and Odrick starting DLine unit with Merling as a rotational player has the potential to be one of the league's best.

Then the question becomes who fills out the last 2 or 3 spots available at DE and NT. Of the four previously mentioned as locks, only Starks has played the nose, so it stands to reason the Dolphins will keep atleast one backup at NT. Since Jason Ferguson is suspended for the first 8 games, this battle will come down to Paul Soliai, Ryan Baker and Travis Ivey. Soliai is the obvious and most likely choice. He has started a number of games and shown himself to be atleast capable of being a fine backup. However, with only so many spots and a switch in defensive scheme, it is not out of the realm of possibility that the Fins would release Soliai. It is though very unlikely.

Ryan Baker was an undrafted free agent last season who was signed to the practice squad after a good camp and made his way onto the roster after injuries struck late in the season. He is being groomed as a backup NT and will be Soliai's biggest competition this training camp. IMO there is a good chance both will make the team if Baker keeps improving and Soliai doesn't lose focus. Undrafted Travis Ivey is a longshot but has all the measurables and if he has a great camp he could win himself a spot on the back end of the roster. More likely he will be a PS possiblity.

The last question is who will win that last spot at DE. Tony McDaniel was a pretty solid rotational player last season after coming over from Jacksonville and he is clearly the heavy favorite to make this team. His main competition is going to be from Dotson and Alama-Francis, two players who were on the roster last year but did not suit up on gamedays. Lional Dotson will either sink or swim this training camp as a former 7th round pick of this regime in 2008. He either will finally come through on his potential and win a spot in the rotation, or he will be cut if he continues to be inconsistent. Ikaika Alama-Francis was a 2nd round pick by the Lions in 2008, so he clearly has potential. Still, his chances of making this team are slim because of how deep ther unit is. But he is a player to watch certainly.

LB

Locks

Karlos Dansby, Channing Crowder, Tim Dobbins, A.j Edds, Cameron Wake, Koa Misi

Battlers

Charlie Anderson, Quentin Moses, Chris McCoy, Erik Walden, Austin Spitler

Camp Bodies

J.D. Folsom

The Dolphins have two problem spots: FS and OLB. Though there are less proven commodities at FS, there will be hotter competition at 3-4 OLB. I think it is becoming fairly obvious the team envisions 2010 2nd round pick Koa Misi starting from day one at strong side linebacker. He is starting in OTA's and quite frankly even as a rookie he gives us our best chance. The real competition therefore is at weakside linebacker. Cameron Wake is the fan favorite, the most talented, and the most likely starter at that spot. He could very easily record double digit sacks in Mike Nolan's defense. However, if he doesn't improve his consistency the team may opt to use him as a nickel rusher and start the more sound Charlie Anderson. That is the interesting thing about Anderson this training camp and why he is a perfect sink or swim canidate. If Wake emerges and beats him out for a starting spot, it is very possible he will be cut all together in favor of younger players like Quentin Moses or rookie 7th round pick Chris Mccoy. Or, he could just as easily be starting opening day if Wake struggles.

The team will likely keep atleast 4 outside linebackers. That means Moses, Anderson and Mccoy are competing for two spots unless the team feels that their depth at inside linebacker offsets their lack of depth on the outside. IMO the likelihood is that Anderson will be the top backup, Moses will spend a fourth year in a row as depth and a back end of the roster type, and Mccoy will be on the PS. Though only time will tell with this paramount training camp battle. 

Inside linebacker is much more simple. Karlos Dansby and Channing Crowder will almost certainly be the starters barring an injury setback with Crowder. Channing Crowder isn't a great player, but he is way too hated on in these parts. He was a third round pick in 2005, and he has been a starter since day one. He is very solid he just isn't a difference maker. Basically, Dansby is a huge upgrade on Crowder as a playmaker, and Crowder is a huge upgrade on Akin Ayodele because Ayodele was a huge liablilty last season.

A.J. Edds is almost certainly safe as a 2010 fourth round pick. He will likely settle into Reggie Torbor's role as a nickel linebacker and eventually push Crowder. Tim Dobbins is a very solid backup who could easily start for this team if Crowder isn't healthy and at the very least will be an excellent special teams player. Having a player like Dobbins is an indication of how deep this team is. Rookie 7th rounder Austin Spitler will compete with Erik Walden for maybe one roster spot as a special teams player. Otherwise, he will be a PS canidate and Walden will be cut for lack of progress. I would predict that Walden will be released and McCoy and Spitler will be on the PS. J.D. Folsom just isn't NFL calibar and may not even make it past first cuts.

CB

Locks

Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Will Allen

Battlers

Nolan Carrol, Jason Allen

Camp Bodies

A.J. Wallace, Ross Weaver, Evan Oglesby

Unlike most, I don't see Will Allen winning a starting spot in camp. Davis and Smith have too much talent and potential as a duo, the team just isn't going to mess with either of them IMO. Therefore, it is likely Will Allen is battling himself for the nickel corner spot. If he is healthy, he will be the nickel corner. If not, he will be placed on PUP and it will be a battle between rookie 5th rounder Nolan Carrol and habitual disappointment Jason Allen.

 Will Allen is likely going to be on the roster come September, and therefore there is a battle for a 4th and possibly 5th corner spot. Some will say Carrol is a lock as a 2010 draft pick, but I have seen many teams including Miami cut 5th rounder's out of camp who fail to meet expectations (Nalbone). Also, he was injury prone in college so if he sustains another injury he could be placed on IR or PUP. Carrol could also show flashes in camp and win himself a spot on the roster as a backup CB and special teams player. Time will tell. The team took likes this guy obviously and he clearly has some potential longterm.

Jason Allen is a very interesting player to me. He is clearly a massive bust as a former 16th overall pick. He will never start for this team and probably won't anywhere else. Still, he is a great athlete, a core special teams player, and provides quality depth at corner as he has played a lot of snaps there and hasn't always struggled. He is imo an ideal fourth corner for this or any other NFL team. He just happened to be drafted 16th overall by the Nick Saban regime a few years back. I could easily see him making this team yet again as a core special teams player and backup, but he may be unseated by the younger Carrol if there is only one spot available.

Of course, there is a chance that Wallace or Weaver could be a hidden gem. I will believe it when I see it. More likely one or both will be on the PS. Evan Oglesby has virtually no chance at making this team as he is just a less talented version of Jason Allen competing for the same position.

S

Locks

Yeremiah Bell, Chris Clemons, Tyrone Culver

Battlers

Reshad Jones, Jonathon Amaya

Camp Bodies

Nate Ness

Yeremiah Bell is a leader on this team and is one of the Dolphins best players on defense. He will be starting at strong safety come September barring injury.

Free safety is a hot topic around here these days as it is seemingly the Dolphins weakest position. 2009 5th round pick Chris Clemons seems to have a leg up going into camp. Even if he happens to be beat out for a starting job it is hard to see him not making the team barring a disastrous camp. More than likely, he will be starting for this team at FS come September unless some acorn is brought in. However, he definitely will have competition.

Imo in a pinch Tyrone Culver would be the best player to start at FS currently on the roster. If this team had an injury he could be put in without much of a hiccup. He is smart and has a lot of game experience for this team. The problem is the Dolphins are looking for a long term starter and Culver is best suited for strong safety, and may only ever be a replacement level. Clemons has all the tools and if the mental aspect comes along for him he could be the team's answer at free safety longterm.

Then comes the two rookies. Reshad Jones has received a lot of hype around these parts, but I am here as always to be realistic about things. First of all, as talented as he is he fell to the 5th round for a reason let's make no mistake about that. Second of all, even if he is going to be a player for this team he almost certainly will need time to develop. Jones is very talented and longterm could be the team's future at strong or free safety, but again he fell so far for a reason and as a 5th round pick is not a lock for a roster spot. I would be very surprised if he didn't make the team given their lack of depth, but I would not be totally shocked.

Undrafted Jonathan Amaya is why I wouldn't be shocked. Though in theory the team could keep 5 safeties, it is more likely they will keep 4, and if they do, the battle will come down to Jones and Amaya. Jones has the leg up clearly as a draft pick and the more physically gifted player. However, if Jones falters in camp and Amaya continues to impress the coaching staff, don't be shocked if Jones is the odd man out. Nate Ness is camp fodder which should say something for his career prospects given safety is the team's biggest question mark.

Defensive Summary

This defense will unquestionably be improved in 2010. From a talent and depth standpoint, they are not quite to the level of the offense heading into training camp. Where we are talking about camp battles between two or more capable players on offense at admittedly less vital positions (Guard and no.2 WR), on defense there are unproven players looking to win starting jobs at critical spots.

Still, this defense has a stud at each level of the defense in Randy Starks, Karlos Dansby and Yeremiah Bell. They have two talented young corners who hopefully will make major strides this season in Vontae Davis and Sean Smith. They have solid incumbent starters in Channing Crowder and Kendall Langford at ILB and DE, respectively. They have a 1st round pick in Jared Odrick who should immediately make an impact at defensive end. Also, they have starting caliber players who will provide quality depth in DE Phillip Merling, LB Tim Dobbins, and CB Will Allen.

11 starting positions and 4 are available going into camp. With Koa Misi a very likely starter at OLB, and Odrick likely to start at DE, weakside LB and FS are the most hotly contested position battles heading into camp. Though the players are unproven, each spot has talented players that can potentially be longterm starters for his team. This defense is going to be improved by the additions of Dansby, Odrick and Misi, and the subtractions of Joey Porter, Akin Ayodele and Gibril Wilson. Whether it becomes elite will depend on how thing shakeout at free safety and weakside linebacker.

Locks: 16

Battlers: 15

Camp Bodies: 6

Total Summary

Look how far we have come in just two years since Parcells, Ireland and Sparano came to town and made us relevant again. Heading into camp the Dolphins have by my estimation:

38 Locks (including 3 special teams locks Carpenter, Fields and Denney)

Of the 15 available roster spots, there are by my estimation 28 viable candidates (Battlers) including:

Tyler Thigpen, Patrick Cobbs, Lex Hilliard, Joey Haynos, Kory Sperry, Cory Proctor, Tony McDaniel, Paul Soliai, Ryan Baker, Charlie Anderson, Quentin Moses, and Jason Allen

Every one of the above players played in games last season, and all but Cory Proctor (Cowboys) played in games for Miami. We aren't going into camp trying to decide which fringe NFL players we are going to keep at the back end of the roster. The Dolphins are trying to choose between players like Tony McDaniel, Paul Soliai and Joey Haynos, all players that made an impact for this team last year. This all is an indication of how deep this team is going into this season. The fact that a guy who started half the season at NT isn't guaranteed a roster spot is remarkable. Half the teams in the league would be lucky to have a Cobbs or Hilliard as a backup, and the Dolphins actually might have to part with one of them. Also, the Dolphins have a bunch of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players with promise who will push for roster spots including:

Kory Sheets, Patrick Turner, Ryan Grice-Mullen, John Nalbone, Andrew Gardner, Lional Dotson, Ikaika Alama-Francis, Travis Ivey, Chris McCoy, Austin Spitler, Erik Walden, Nolan Carrol, Reshad Jones, and Jonathan Amaya.

This team is going to have the most talented 53-man roster it has had in a very, very longtime. In my estimation, this team has the least open roster spots (15), most viable candidates for those roster spots (28), and least amount of camp bodies (14) that they have had since I have been a fan. Bringing 66 players to camp that all would have made this team in 2007 or 2008 is an indication of the Dolphins frontline talent and great depth going into this season. It is a great indication of how far this team has come. Injuries will strike as they always do, but this year this team will have the depth to survive them.

 

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rec'd after you explained perfectly your reasoning on the QB position, okay going back to finish

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by special agent wildcat on Jun 10, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Totally agreed

When originally seeing his picks, I was skeptical. The explanation was spot-on and well-stated enough that I gave credit and moved on, impressed.

Rec’d

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Jun 10, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

same thought process as well rec'd

though I think Pat White will be the one traded.

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by Weecho85 on Jun 10, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what I am hoping for.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 10, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post

great explanations
overall great read
rec’d for content and effort

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 10, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

great work

RB-Tony spoke very highly on Cobbs yesterday in reference to his health. I’m not sure what kind of proof a team must provide in order to get a guy on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list but I suppose Cobbs is the kind of guy that might go along with the team if they need him to embellish an injury a bit which is what I feel happened with Henne in week 17 last year in order to ensure that we landed a high pick. The difference in winning and losing that game meant little to nothing for us in terms of making the playoffs. The difference it did make was picking either 12th or 18th I believe, if not then 17th if I’m mistaken. Is Sheets still eligible for the practice squad? I get the feeling Cobbs is headed for the PUP only because it’s the only way to truly stash one of those RBs without fear of someone plucking your guy off your practice squad which is how we got Sheets in the first place.

WR-Agreed. Those guys you mentioned as long shots are exactly that. It’s a numbers game so the more of those guys you can bring in that have the physical tools, the better the chance that it ends up clicking for one of them. The value I see in Turner is that he fits the BM mold and can be inserted into BM’s role in the case of emergency. Obviously he likely wouldn’t respond with the stats that BM gets but from a preparation standpoint you’ve got a stunt dummy in that at least will look familiar to Henne. Great point on Murphy.

Gotta run but I’ll finish reading when I get back. Really enjoying it so far, I’m saving the O-line like a piece of cake for when I get back, lol.

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by special agent wildcat on Jun 10, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea I can see Cobbs on the PUP to keep Sheets from getting snagged by another team.

"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." -Master Oogway-
"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it."-Master Oogway-
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by Weecho85 on Jun 10, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good post

Well thought out and very thorough.

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by The Earl on Jun 10, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

pretty good, but:

1. pat white is not a lock:

i see what you are saying about him being a 2nd round pick and all, but the thing is, if he cant shape up, we cant just have him taking up space on the roster. there are too many players that we truly need to be holding pat white, who we are only keeping because we dont want to lose value. if anything, put him on the practice squad for a year

2. charlie anderson is a lock, and erik walden and austin spitler are not:

not too long ago, charlie anderson was taking reps with the 1st team. he is nearly guaranteed a 2nd string position if he gets beat out by cameron wake. neither walden and spitler have even started, and maybe not even been with the 2nd team.

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

but besides that, nice list

WE GOT BRANDON MARSHALL!!!!!
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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

id didnt say spitler or walden are locks

a far as anderson goes, i seewhat you are saying he is very likely to be on the roster given that he is getting first team reps. I could just see a scenario play out where if he loses out on the starting gig he gets cut all together because they want to hold onto younger players

by JaredN on Jun 10, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops, my bad, i misread that part (about spitler and walden)

and about anderson, i think he is just too good to be let go

i dont see any possibilities where charlie anderson isnt the 1st or 2nd string ROLB, he is the best one there (besides wake, of corse)

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy might be so good he might demand a spot.

And Moses might beat CA out. I like Moses more than CA, cuz he can actually get off a block.

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by PotM on Jun 10, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh...

and even IF moses beat CA, anderson might play special teams or just be the third guy (or be #2 on the other side)

i really consider him a lock

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

moses play primarily strong side if im not mistaken

anderson plays weakside and is the only viable backup for wake

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 10, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i do like moses

he’s one of of more explosive players and i think his potential is very high. hope we keep him!

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by BSerious72 on Jun 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Eric Green take first team snaps?

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Jun 10, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

eric green was cut last offseason

fail, lol

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

he means last off-season

btw “fail” is about the most unfunny saying I have ever seen catch on

by JaredN on Jun 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what i said, last offseason

or do i have to put the hyphen?

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

im sry

i misunderstood your point i thought you were tryin to call someone out my bad

by JaredN on Jun 10, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

o ok, no prob

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the answer is no, I think EG had a "mysterious" "groin injury" from the beginning of camp

you know, like the clap or crabbies

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by PhinsTifosi on Jun 10, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, JaDave and his laziness at their finest.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Jun 10, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i actually disagree here finz

i think pat white survives atleast one more year no matter what. he was a second round pick and the kid’s talent is definetly there. We just need to know where to use him but he will be on our squad next year this is almost guarenteed. He actually has a better chance to make the team IMO then Thiggy who is far and away the better QB.

Last year Charlie Anderson was used merely in special teams and rare occasions. Just because we lost JT and Peezy does not make his job a LOCK. Wake and Misi should be starters and if so Charlie is just as much of a backup then Moses (who is younger) so his job is not guarenteed. However, this is one of our weaker spots and Charlie is still valuable and as mentioned may even start if Misi and Wake do not turn heads in camp. I don’t think I would put him as a LOCK considering I would love to just see him as a special teamer (same coul be said for Jason Allen) however I believe his job is pretty safe.

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by BSerious72 on Jun 12, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't agree on your Reshad Jones assessment....

If you watched the draft, Reshad Jones was a 3rd round prospect that fell to the 5th round because teams were clearly drafting for reasons that allowed him to fall that far. The guy was clearly a steal for the round we drafted him in and there have been plenty of times that a player from the 4th or 5th round develops into a NFL starter quickly….just look at Brian Hartline.

So just because he was drafted in the 5th round, doesn’t mean he needs 3-5 years to develop. The guy has talent and if he shows it and starts for us this year, great! They will not, however, drop the guy off the roster with the pure potential he has and the fact that he’s a 5th rounder that will get locked up under a 3 year deal for sure.

by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Jun 10, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

thats what i was saying though

he fell to the fifth round for a reason. He will almost definitly be on the team and hell maybe he does win a starting gig, but he is no lock imo

by JaredN on Jun 10, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think jones makes the team

id put him as close to a lock as possible. he has impressed may even start (unlikely) but was a steal. Plus, safety is one of our weak points so we need all the help we can get. I think Clemons, Jones, Bell and Culver make this team no question. Let’s see if Amaya is the sleeper. Honestly i know nothing bout the kid

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by BSerious72 on Jun 12, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Clemons was a projected 2nd RD and fell to us.

He will show all the GMs that it was a mistake for not taking him!

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by PotM on Jun 10, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

im pretty sure

he was projected as a middle round pick, 3rd at best, similar to Reshad Jones

by JaredN on Jun 10, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

this^

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was the supposed to be the 3rd best S in that draft.

He was supposed to be taken in the 2nd

http://www.thephinsider.com/2010/4/2/1401526/could-a-stud-fs-already-be-on-the

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by PotM on Jun 10, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome post

One of the best posts I’ve read on this site in a long time. Well done.

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by Jevant on Jun 10, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Very nice!

Imma be super dissapointed if Cobbs doesnt make the team, he has been my man crush since the 08 season.

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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Jun 10, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

the rest proved to be as good as the beginning

TE-Agreed on Fasano. One good year and one disappointing year doesn’t mean he’s not an answer. He’s good enough for now in my opinion as well as the rest of the guys. Haynos’ size is what makes him so desirable. I’m hoping Nalbone and Sperry can at least compete with the first two.

OL-I agree that Carey is undervalued by the fan base but based on what they paid him last year he’s not. As you mentioned his value is in his ability to flip to LT in an emergency. Most don’t have that. There would be a drop off but not nearly the drop off you’d expect with the lose of a top LT. They could make due at replacing Carey at RT in that case and that’s the problem. It’s only a matter of time before someone proves to be better than him at RT regardless of his value as an emergency LT. The price is what will cause this team to move on at some point. Hopefully by next year we’ll have minimal questions to answer in the draft and Carey’s price tag will force them to explore his replacement if there aren’t pressing holes to fill elsewhere on the roster.

It really is impressive to look at this offense compared to what it was in 2007. Some say I follow the FO with a blind eye but if that offensive breakdown proves there’s nothing “blind” about trusting these guys.

DL-My only hope is that Baker overtakes Solai. From a sink or swim standpoint Solai is on borrowed time. Our lack of depth at NT has kept him alive as well as Ferg’s injury and suspension. I’ve seen nice things said about Baker so hopefully he wants it more. I’ve seen nice things said about Ivey as well but it’s too early for him. Maybe next year to hopefully push Baker.

LB-Great way to put Dansby upgrading Crowder and Crowder upgrading Ayodele. I think Anderson will continue to give what he has since he got here which isn’t bad. I don’t think he needs to step up to make this roster but I do think he needs to at least maintain status quo. Our outside linebackers are going to operate in a larger than normal rotation this year, IMO. All offer certain things they do well and it’ll be up to the staff to put them in position to showcase their best skills. Maybe Misi has the ability to do it all and maybe he sticks going further into the season but I think that from the beginning it’s going to be about competition on the roster first. I just can’t see Anderson, Wake or anyone else being able to do it all which means they’ll all do a little. Hopefully that’ll be enough.

CB-Miamidolphins.com posted a few player interviews yesterday. The only one that featured two players at one time was Davis and Smith. They really came off as partners when I watched which makes me feel great about that spot. Having Will Allen as your top backup is nice as well. I’ve liked what I’ve seen at times from Jason Allen with this leadership. Maybe Nolan advances him as a player as well.

S-Agreed on Jones and Amaya. I hope Clemons is the answer. I feel better about Clemons if he unseated Wilson late last year but I suppose it was best to just finish off with Wilson and protect the development of Clemons.

We’re playing it close with the D this year. They’re very unproven in more spots than a few. My hope is that the addition of Nolan changes it up enough that teams aren’t familiar with it. I felt that had a lot to do with the Jets success on D last year and hopefully that’ll be proven right when teams attack the Jets D this year with more success.

This team is going to have the most talented 53-man roster it has had in a very, very longtime. In my estimation,

Agreed, thanks for putting that together, great job Jared

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by special agent wildcat on Jun 10, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I believe I read that W. Allen had <40% burn rate.

I definately want that guy on Welker and other guys that make their living moing the chains on third down, like Bess.

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by PotM on Jun 10, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

EPIC POST!!!

This should be front paged for sure!!!

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by Heater OsE on Jun 10, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Team of the 10's

Air Marshall for 150 this year. Great to see him catching again!

by Padhraig fleming, Fort Lauderdale on Jun 10, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

phinsider vote....

best user name? this guy!? he’s got my vote

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by BSerious72 on Jun 12, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is that?

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by PotM on Jun 12, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is that?

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by PotM on Jun 12, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so it needs to be said

Let me first disclose that I am neither a Pat White fan or a hater. That being said, it doesnt matter if he was a 2nd round pick….this regime doesnt keep people around simply because of their draft/investment status. You got to bump him down from a Lock….

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by Dragon27az on Jun 10, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

did you use "Pat White" and "lock" in the same sentence?

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by Deuce Black on Jun 10, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Im not saying it hasn't happend before...

but very rarely do teams part with 2nd round picks after only one season. VERY RARELY. He is also versatile which is what you want at the back end of a roster. As much as people are down on him, he still has potential to carve out a role in this league as a wildcat contributor and possible slot reciever down the line. I will on record as saying I would be absolutely stunned if he didn’t make this team.

by JaredN on Jun 10, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I unfortunately (for now) agree with this.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Jun 10, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think White's sticking around but not because of his draft status

IMO he fills a role that’s hard to fill. Someone with the athletic ability to play other spots but has the skills of a QB is hard to come by. Now I know he didn’t look great last year but I don’t think he failed enough to judge him on the five passes he threw. Having White allows us to keep the real backup QB in the QB3 role where he doesn’t count against the active roster although he does dress for the game. Even if White doesn’t step on the field he’s worth the spot because of the athletic ability he offers as a player in general. Basically I feel he sticks because he creates an extra player that most other teams don’t have since the rest mostly have all QBs that are more “pocket” type guys.

On the other hand I wish I could ignore this example but Brian Brohm was selected right after Henne in 2008 and ended 2009 on the Bills roster. Yes, rarely do players get released after getting drafted so high but that’s a recent example of not only a 2nd rounder but a QB as well that’s been waived within a year of being drafted.

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by special agent wildcat on Jun 10, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok heres the thing

Pat White is a versatile player but he is not being used as such…as of right now the Fo has him as a straight qb/ wildcat qb.

I have yet to see him return kicks, punts, or catch passes so as far as his versatility goes there is none

as far as wildcat contributor goes, i dont see that either. He is too small to be taking hits up the middle ala Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams nor is he a threat to throw the ball (which was supposed to be the new dimension he would provide to the wildcat)

and as of right now he isnt even a qb in a base formation. When we drafted him i was so mad at first, but then i thought about his versatility, and that maybe the Fo had a plan for him… one season later smh guess not

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by Deuce Black on Jun 10, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree but there's only so much you can accomplish with minimal practice reps

They said from the start last year that their focus with him was developing him as a QB which made sense. Ultimately he’s one of three QBs so he needs to be prepared for that before he starts to provide in other areas. Although listed as #2 last year he was really #3. You can’t judge based on the last game because in my opinion they wanted to lose and knew that extended use of White would get that done. It was the difference of six or seven slots in the draft and we weren’t making the playoffs.

You can’t expect much from your 3rd string QB but he does need to be the best QB he can possibly be which meant focusing on that last year, maybe even this year as well. When they feel they’re getting the most out of him they can with limited snaps they’ll then move onto the returning and spread aspects he offers.

If you just think of him as the 3rd string QB you’ll feel much better about the situation. If Henne goes down and isn’t coming back and White fails fast then the real backup QB would enter, either Penny or Thigpen, whomever is dressing or still here at that imaginary point.

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by special agent wildcat on Jun 10, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

perfect point SAW

people get riled up bc he was a second round pick. I agree, it was retarded. But it’s done. The dude is a 3rd string QB NOW and still people go back and forth on him. Last year our 2 starting QB’s were out, what other team could say that? Pat White is a versatile player who can also play QB. Look at Brad Smith on the Jets or Josh Cribbs on the Jets? Although those guys return kicks they are not going to be the best player at their position but they are playmakers and i dont expect either of the teams to part with any of these guys. He will be a fin in 2010, and I[m happy with that. Although I really hope they stop bringing him on pivotal 2nd and 3rd downs

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by BSerious72 on Jun 12, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He sure did...

Beleive it!!!

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by Heater OsE on Jun 10, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kory Sheets will make the 53 man roster

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by Weecho85 on Jun 10, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Sheets is a lock.

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by madcitydave on Jun 10, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this based on how many "tweets per day" he performs?

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by Heater OsE on Jun 10, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

no based on what he will provide for this team duh and I definitely have seen more tweets from Smith and Davis

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by Weecho85 on Jun 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

idk, sheets is up there

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^

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by texascowpunk on Jun 10, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

our guys don't put a huge emphasis on explosive returners

hence why Ginn (our only threat to take it to the house) was benched in favor of Cobbs (0 threat to house it). It’s why Bess remains our PR despite not having the ability to go the distance. It’s why we haven’t acquired any dynamic return men since Parcells has been here. Sheets needs to be a better RB than Cobbs or Hilliard if he wants to make the roster. Being a good returner isn’t going to be enough unless he can also play on kickoff, punt coverage, FG block, or whatever other special teams we need him to play.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 10, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

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by texascowpunk on Jun 10, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man I cant wait to see him prove you wrong

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by Weecho85 on Jun 10, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

post like this are the reason it is the only place i go for my phins info. very well done.

as my great grand pappy use to say: when yo ufind something really good. you grab onto it with both hands…both feet, your teeth and one huge hip thrust.

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jun 10, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

ROFL
one huge hip thrust.

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by Weecho85 on Jun 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

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by finzrule on Jun 10, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd animal

amazing.

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by BSerious72 on Jun 12, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fantastic post! Thank you. goo 4 U 2

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by PhinsTifosi on Jun 10, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Pat White is a lock.

Sooner you guys accept it the sooner life will be easier for you as a fan. He has gained a lot of weight and seems very determined. Teams will be stressed out preparing for both the Dolphins’ run game and now their passing game. White will get thrown in there for the option that was successful a couple of times last season.

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by thanksboo on Jun 10, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

If Marshall can make Orton look like he did last year then I'm sure White can complete a pass to him at least, lol

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by special agent wildcat on Jun 10, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know he "seems very determined"? Have you spoke with him? Trained with him?

Do you watch him every OTA so far? Where do you base this from? You base it on a guess sprikled with an article or something of someone elses OPINION on what they think they see. Sparano says he gained what.. 15 lbs of muscle? Ya ok what roids are he on cus 18 lbs of muscle does not just appear in 3 months. Im not sure if its possible to pick up 15 lbs of muscle in 3 months unless your on something.

All this talk about him improving and getting better ect ect.. we heard all of this last off season of how good he was getting. How he was shwing us how tuff he was.. how accurate he was ect ect.. And. what.. 80% of his snaps were failures? Or maybe not failures but nothing special thats for sure. He is not a NFL calibur QB and I dont think he ever will be. How many spread qb’s coe out of college and fail in the NFL? More then make it and he has no real up side outside of a good combine.

I read in 2 places that Ireland made this pick against parcells wishes. Is this true? We man never know but most rumors have a basis to them and I believe this. I believe Ireland saw the Combine and went nutz over Pat White. This would explan them taking White too early in the draft. And then again this off season the talk all night was about how Parcells was in charge and they were goiung to STICK TO THE PLAN. which adds credit to these stories I read. Last year SOMEWHERE they did not stick to the plan.. and what other pick has been so bad then Pat White? Maybe one may argue Pat Turner could be that pick that was not in the plan last year.. but seeing as he was a 3rd rounder I dont believe that was it. I believe it was White and Ireland forced that pick and if that is true it would cause Parcels to go to Mr Ross and say “were doing it my way or Im gone. No more BS picks” which lead to the notes up around the draft room and such from Parcells reminding people that they had a draft board and to stick to the plan.

I believe White is a bust. He will not be a QB in the NFL. So.. the sooner your White college followers realize this the better.

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by jdtman on Jun 12, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

so your saying that jeff went aginst the wishes of his boss and risk loosing his job to pick white to early?

dont think i am buying that.

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jun 12, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Think about it.. seriously. I have read 2 different places that this happened AND why all the notes and such this draft?

Why note laying around stating to stick to the plan n such? I dont know if its true.. but it sounds like it may be the truth and if I add up all the little “clues” I wouldnt be surprised at all if it is true. I dont think Parcells would pick White. He is not a “typical Parcels guy” is he? He is no where near that. Henne is a Parcells QB. Big, tall, tuff. White fits none of these molds does he? Has pacells ever taken a QB with the size of White in any draft?

The more I think about it the more I believe the 2 reports that are floating around about it.

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by jdtman on Jun 12, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you realize that Parcells is above Ireland

and is in the draft room when the picks are made. How exactly would Jeff go about making a pick that Parcells didn’t like? At the end of the day, Parcells has the final word because he’s the highest guy on the food chain.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 13, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I know Parcells has more pull then Ireland. Or he SHOULD.

But you dont think that if Ireland and Sparano couldnt have spoken to Ross about this in the heat of the moment or something and gotten it done? Again.. I just dont think Parcells would take White. I dont see it. Everyone here always says things like " [this person or that person] is a parcells kinda player" There have been many MANY stories over the years stressing on what type of player Parcells looks for. White is not that kind of player. So.. how can people stress that aspect about all these other guys then forget that when it comes to Pat White. I just add up what I have heard and what makes sense. The reports saying that Parcells did not plan on drafting White make more sense to me.

Explain why there were post it notes all over the draft room about “staying the course” and and “stick to the plan” ? Im sure they could have things like this just to remind people but then you add those to the stories I read b4 the draft about Parcells not wanting to take White when they did and it makes sense to me.

Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !

by jdtman on Jun 13, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

what?
But you dont think that if Ireland and Sparano couldnt have spoken to Ross about this in the heat of the moment or something and gotten it done?

no.. that makes no sense.. wake up, the Pat White pick wasn’t a conspiracy against Parcells. And like it or not, he does fit part of Parcells mold. He’s a 4 year starter from a major school, and he’s a versatile athlete. I think you are reaching to find a reason for taking Pat White other than “our FO liked him”

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 13, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

And multiple sources stated that Parcells told several people how much

he liked Pat White before the draft so…………

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by texascowpunk on Jun 13, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

and do you really think that bill would stick around for a team that the head coach HE picked and the gm HE picked was going behind his back with the owner to get players he didnt want?

i would believe more in aliens then this happening.

as my great grand pappy use to say: there is really a such thing as little green men……………ever heard of spray painted midgets?

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jun 16, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He picked up 18 lbs since the day he was drafted, big difference.

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by PotM on Jun 12, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sheets is now NOT a lock.

oops!

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by madcitydave on Jun 10, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post

Especially all the work you put into it!

by snorky on Jun 11, 2010 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice Post

But as i have sad on here before, I’ll believe in our “improved” team when they show me on the field. This is the Dolphins we are talking about.

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by Gatorfan4life on Jun 11, 2010 6:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd. Excellent, thought-provoking post. That your picks mostly match mine to a T doesn't make me biased.

I really like Amaya and can’t wait to see him perform throughout the offseason. This snippet from the Sun Sentinel sums up his hitting ability a little bit.

Ask Ryan Mathews. He is the Fresno State running back the San Diego Chargers wanted so badly at No. 12 overall, they tossed the Dolphins a second-round pick to swap positions in the first round and the fourth round of the NFL Draft. Mathews and Amaya came together during last season’s Fresno State-Nevada game. Amaya got up for the next play. Mathews’ next play was two games later, after his concussion retreated.
I would not be at all stunned to see Amaya on the 53-man roster and either he or Reshaad Jones will be active on gameday.

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by TheFinReaper on Jun 11, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope Amaya makes the 53 man roster

Dude just seems like a real football player. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if he pushed Culver for the backup job at SS.

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by inishe8 on Jun 11, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would see that be Reshad Jones before Amaya.

Jones is more suited to SS than FS while Amaya is more of a natural FS who can deliver good hits. I hope he gets to the 53 man as well.

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by TheFinReaper on Jun 11, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree with you

But i think they get rid of Culver before Jones. And what position does Jones play?

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by inishe8 on Jun 12, 2010 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

S, either one

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by PotM on Jun 12, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

so does Jones

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by inishe8 on Jun 13, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was what I was saying, but that is true of Culer too

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by PotM on Jun 13, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

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by inishe8 on Jun 13, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post

Rec’d

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by inishe8 on Jun 11, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I didnt even read past the 1st set of "locks"

You listed Pat White as a lock but Thigpen as a Battler?

Not reading the reast as that statement rigght out of the gate makes me think you are not that bright.

Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !

by jdtman on Jun 12, 2010 2:42 AM EDT reply actions  

well if you had happend to keep reading

you would of saw my justification was soley based on circustances that have nothing to do with either as a player…White because it is unlikely the team would give up on him so soon, and Thigpen because he is a possible trade canidate…I even said in the article Thigpen was the 2nd best QB on the team and to this point White has struggled

by JaredN on Jun 12, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops.. lets respond in the correct spot.. I read your reasons.. I just dont agree.

White is not going to be any future QB of this team. Thiggy is 100% beter QB and I dont think this FO keeps White over Thiggy. \

If henne blows a knee out in TC I dont think you would find anyone here to want the FO to start White. Well maybe a few who loved White in college.. (cant help stupid) But seriously I think the FO is smart enough to look at it in this light. Henne is #1 and if they do put CP on the PUP then in week 3 Henne goes down this FO will never start Pat White over Tyler Thigpen. That being said they wont keep White over thiggy for just that reason.

Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !

by jdtman on Jun 12, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm i dont think any of us want White to be our backup to Henne this year

not even Jared thats not what he was saying Maine. But i agree with Jared, IMO White has a better chance to be a Dolphin next year (and not be traded) then Thiggy. But i firmly believe that both will be in our colors next year; I am perfectly confident that Thigpen would be a great backup QB for this team.

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by BSerious72 on Jun 12, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason I see them keeping Pat White is cus they dont want to seem stupid because they picked him.

However this FO does not screw around with bad picks or FA’s for long. I trust that this FO knows White is not an NFL QB and they do not sit and try to mold him into one. They know that he is not the answer if Henne goes down. They looked at him last year off and on and then in the Pits game they gave him the chance and he failed to move the ball.

I know how some people fall in love with a player then hope he is the next great but sometimes you just have to realize that its not gona happen.

I look at it this way.. the only way I see White staying is if the keep 4 QB’s OR some team offers a 2nd or some other OMG trade for Thiggy or CP10. If that does not happen then I see White going bye bye.

Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !

by jdtman on Jun 12, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of them were as highly touted as Pat White were they "bro"

Just because you do not agree with my thoughts does not mean I am not “paying attention” We have a different opinion. I believe I am right.. you obviously think I am wrong and believe White will be one heck of a QB. I dont believe this. I dont let my emotions get in the way of what I see. White sucks.. its easy for someone who had no clue who he was b4 the phins drafted him to look at this from the outside. I watched all the college clips where he was soooo good. I watched him play last year. I read the reports on him since we drafted him. nothing NOTHING since we drafted him has made me think anything more of him then a college QB who was real good at running the spread. This is not college.

Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !

by jdtman on Jun 13, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

You obviously don't read
and believe White will be one heck of a QB

when did I say this? I just said he’s not a bust after one season. Wilford and Wilson were both the “prizes” of the FA period the last 2 seasons, how exactly were they less touted than a 2nd round pick? Cmon now..

its easy for someone who had no clue who he was b4 the phins drafted him to look at this from the outside.

trust me, I watched plenty of Pat White in college. You’re gonna have a hard time finding a player in the NFL that I have no idea about, nevermind the guys on our team. You ain’t talking to some low-grade retard fan here. I don’t let my emotions determine whether or not a football player is good, which you seem to be doing with White when you proclaim a bust after 1 season as a backup and 5 total career pass attempts.

And I agree, this is not college, but it’s also not an easy transition to the NFL from college, especially from a spread offense. I think we should give him more than one season before completely giving up on him, because I don’t think a team should be run that short-sighted and quick on the trigger with rookies.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 13, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read your justification I just dont agree.

Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !

by jdtman on Jun 12, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Read the whole article, it is pretty good overall

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by PotM on Jun 12, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was wondering why this had so many rec's for a guy's name ive never heard before lol

now i know why. EXCELLENT post, one of the best I have ever read here, please stick around and stay in the phinsider community we need more guys like you here. this was a good post i rec’d it to keep it atop and even I, who check this site every day, learned a few things. well done jared

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by BSerious72 on Jun 12, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

White has to go

In my opinion,he just disrupts the rythym of the offense when he comes in for his 2 yard run or incomplete pass.And I’m not sure what Sheets has ever done to justify people being high on him.

by Pegphinsfan on Jun 12, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Best Post Ever

Don’t agree with White however…he’s gone by trade of cut…with Pennington not 100% and Thigpen to valuable to sit at #3 …otherwise the analysis for qb is good.

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by jdhud on Jun 13, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

i agree with most but

i see thigpen being number two with pennington being on the PUP list also sheets making it for special teams reasons and cobbs being PUP and theres no way they traded up to cut reshad jones who i think by next year will be starting and if not is the heir apparent to bell

by Chris Schlitz on Jun 13, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I will get back to this later

its a loooong read

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 16, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

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