It is night and day. Everything here is a little more relaxed, I guess you can say. There is a whole different vibe in the building. The practices, walkthroughs and meetings are a little more positive and calm.
-Jason Taylor, speaking about the differences between the Dolphins and Jets.
Ouch.
In more positive news, look for some thoughts on Zach Thomas and his retirement as a Dolphin later on today. I can't help but wonder what Zach thinks of his brother-in-law's recent comments, though.
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A Tayl of two Bro's
ZT has all the class and retires a legend. JT chooses the same day to act like a manhore. Jason, take a lesson from your Brother-in-Law before you lose what respect you have left in Miami.
C'mon over to Shady's world, MiamiDolphins.co.uk
this is disapointing
JT is taking the CL out of Class
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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This
JT is shit in my eyes compared to ZT
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by Davone_Is_BessT on May 20, 2010 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ZT is probably my favorite player of all time
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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THIS^
I think any fan that start watching them in the early 2000s ave them ranked very high.
Can you feel that? Ah...$***! I am the push that makes you move!
Note to self: Read the fanshots!
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Not a big deal...
I would expect Sparano runs things at a pretty high intensity level, at least higher than Rex Ryan the joke®. This is not surprising. I don’t think it was meant to be a shot at the Phins.
^^ this
I was going to say the same thing.. but also add that its just a different style of coaching. I think IMO that I would rather have a coaching staff that is on our players butts and more electric then one that is laid back and “calm” as Jason put it.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
I don't see it as a shot too..
He took a diplomatic way to highlight a different approach… too many cry babies on here complain about JT way too much. Even though I’m sure they were on his band wagon when he was tallying up all those sacks.
... which means what exactly?
I can only picture Rex making fart jokes in the middle of team meetings.
"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt
by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on May 20, 2010 7:37 PM EDT reply actions
I had a dream, if he was on this team as defencive C. & we were loseing the superbowl.
He took a swing at Tuna, blah the hole thing turn to red. I wokeup my forhead was wet.
by wild zion beaver on May 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
...so?
We don’t take no CRAP!
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Who cares!
Jasons a traitor and that’s the bottom line. Hopefully he is telling the truth and they are not as dedicated as our camp. As far as Zach goes that’s great love to see a guy who was loyal return with honor. Jt the traitor can enjoy losing to us next season.
hes a god damn cheater
screw jt. this guy was once my fave player of all time. im sick of him. screw him and screw the jets
smoking rally bowls for the phins since 2002! oh and screw the jets
damn i meant traitor not cheater
smoking rally bowls for the phins since 2002! oh and screw the jets
Hes not a traitor.. he needed a job. He wanted a job. He went out and got a job. All this traitor stuff is nothing but classless and childish.
Taylor wanted to work. Taylor wanted to play. Anyone here who will sit here and say “I would never work for the Jets” is full of total bullshit. Get over it already.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
I would never get off unemployment to work for the jets
And you’re classless and childish if you stay at home playing with JT dolls and defending him on DOLPHIN blogs (lol)
He must be hated
Remember who you are
Pull it together man!!!
if it was between unemployement and a well paying job for the Jets...sign me up
money PAYS the bills, puts FOOD on the table, lets you do thins you like that COST money.
and dont make fun of my action figures lol
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Long, Tsoumpas, Grove, Incognito, Carey - Starting OL
Ok but...
JT wasn’t going to the poorhouse. He’s an NFL player that has made millions and lives very well off. This pay check for the Jets is not gonna be the difference from being poor to paying bills.
He choose to play the Jets, for w/e reason but it WAS NOT financial. And statements like the one he made, makes me glad he’s gone.
by Fin Fan Forever on May 21, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol; when he was gone, the first time to the redskins. There was less talk then now, cuz i guess he was so damn good this time.
by wild zion beaver on May 21, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
well last time, Parcell ousted him
JT just left this time
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Long, Tsoumpas, Grove, Incognito, Carey - Starting OL
No.. they kinda ousted him again by saying.. "we dont know if were gona need ya.. but if you want to wait and see there may be something open for you here"
Id take the sure bet as well. he did what was right for him and his family.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
You can neverhave enough cash. And I believe it was more of a "wants to play" then anything else.. but 2 million is not chump change.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
But the Jets?
No other team wanted JT? The Jets were his only option??? David Carr had like 2 or 3 teams giving him a chance to get on a team. But JT only has the Jets?
I think this is just his frustration with the organization, you don’t say all the things he said about the Jets and their fans and then go play for them without their being a huge motive.
by Fin Fan Forever on May 23, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It's called character MPF
If anyone of any class was in JT’s shoes he would have either retired a dolphin or played for the fin’s for less. Jason Taylor does not need the money it’s something deeper like a desire to get back at Parcell’s after the dancing with the stars shit. If you want to be a closet jets fan than go for it but don’t try and solidify a traitor who did what he did to spite the management and is now talking shit to try and rile us fans and the front office. JT is a traitor and should never be allowed in the Dolphins stadium again except to get his sorry traitor ass handed to him as a losing member of the Jests so get it straight.
by doberman on May 21, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He played for penuts last season.. what more do you want from this guy?
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
JT is all class...
I don’t think these kids even think about the fact the JT is married, has kids, responsibilities, a mortgage, etc.
He tried to stay with the Dolphins. but it didn’t work out. He has a new girlfriend now so I wish him the best… except on Sundays :)
^^ this Plus there were not around the years and years JT was such a top tallent for the phins.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
Needs A Job????
Hes a Millionaire. He doesnt need Money. This is a Shove It In Your Eye Move. Any team but the New Jersey Jerks. I recall JT saying a number of times how He Despised The NJ Jerks more than any other opponent, but then he Signs with them??
Oh and he was offered an extension last year & turned it Down.
Calm?? Rexxy ( I Ate The Whole Team ) Ryan – CALM??? LOL What a joke. Im starting a pool on How long Til Rexxy Melts Down & Loses it & punches someone And gets Fired. LOL
New Jersey Jerks – Give Me A Break
"Positive and calm"
Rex Ryan: Don’t worry guys, we’ve already won the Super Bowl in May, so go ahead and take a load off!
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by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on May 20, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
My give-a-damn's busted on JT Turncoat....
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by Alpha6 on May 20, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Relax.....
He didn’t say Miami’s system was wrong just that it wasn’t as free-wheeling and positive as the Jets. I find this quite likely considering the Jets think and act like every year is their year from their Front office to their fans. I guess we’re just a little bit more, ahem, realistic.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
This is why I check before submitting a fanpost although I did write it out already
Here’s what I had to say instead of posting this story again. Sorry for the length, it was meant to but a full post.
I know there’s plenty of you that still hold a soft spot for this guy. Lots of you direct blame at the FO for not bringing J(e)T(s) back but thanks not the case. That situation went from a holding pattern to forced landing overnight.
One moment he’s willing to wait until after the draft and the next moment he’s sleeping with the enemy. The one team that the majority of us wished he would have stayed away from he joined.
J(e)T(s) made a point over the years to make things between him and NY personal. That was his choice and every time he opened his mouth we all stood behind him. Bottom line is we had his back for a very long time.
This team didn’t tell him “No”. They offered him a contract (post-it) and even when he declined they continued to keep him in their plans even if those plans wouldn’t have been known until after the draft. It was J(e)T(s) choice to go play for the enemy.
Don’t mistake his intentions. He’s not there for the money, fame or exposure. He’s there because he feels a right of entitlement to this franchise and now he’s trying to get revenge. I wouldn’t be surprised if he feels the same about the Pats who had shown interest but now didn’t have interest.
Asked whether he has noticed a difference in the culture with his new team, Taylor said, “It is night and day. Everything here is a little more relaxed, I guess you can say. There is a whole different vibe in the building. The practices, walkthroughs and meetings are a little more positive and calm.”
Someone that has moved on wouldn’t comment about their previous situation. Someone with vision for the future would refrain from talking about anything besides their current situation. This sounds like someone that is spiteful since he was basically begging to be signed by us.
I said my goodbyes to J(e)T(s) when we traded him two years so please excuse me if I come off as numb to the topic. This FO is all business so when their offer was declined last year they moved on to FA and Draft preparation. Good GMs get their business taken care of early which is what they tried to do with JT. Without having him under contract they were forced to prepare for his exit. J(e)T(s) tried to force his hand before the draft but they had already worked a strategy throughout UFA that called for the drafting of LBs.
You can’t say they wouldn’t have signed him after the draft because we don’t know. We don’t know if their drafting would have changed if they knew he was available. He made the choice to remove that option by deciding to make the situation personal.
I hope he enjoys his relaxed environment. Practice isn’t supposed to be positive and calm. It’s supposed to be challenging and exerting. Practice is where champions prove their worth and that comment from J(e)T(s) shows that he’s already packed it in. The intensity isn’t there because he’s not playing for the right reasons. He’s not there for a ring, although I’m sure he wouldn’t mind one. He’s here to piss of our FO and he’s not concerned about us as fans of his. He’s trying to draw a line between the FO and the fans. Anyone with commonsense can see that.
I can’t wait for us to top what we did in 2008 so that when we look back we can see that out two most successful seasons in the last 15 years were played without J(e)T(s) on the roster.
On a side note I’d like to also point out something interesting about the Zach situation.
Zach Thomas got the idea Wednesday, thinking maybe he could sign a one-day contract with the Miami Dolphins and retire as part of the franchise.
His agent asked the Dolphins. Thomas got his answer within minutes.
So for everyone that condemned the FO for that situation remember in the future that Zach didn’t ask until yesterday. It’s not the job of the FO to seek out former players and ask them to retire with the team. We don’t have time for that because they’re busy staying 10 steps ahead of everyone else.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 20, 2010 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Naw.. I agree with you allot.. but I dont think he went to the Jets to get revenge. Thats just stupid.
He wanted to play football. Miami told him he had to wait untill after the draft. Taylor didnt feel he could take the chance of not having a job if the Phins picked up someone and decided not to sign him. So he did what ANY PLAYER would do. He signed to a team who wanted him. He wants to play. And I dont for one second believe that he did it out of spite or revenge.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
there was no rush
His deal is made up of year 2 monopoly money. It would be one thing if he was speaking out all those years against a specific player or coach that wasn’t there anymore. He verbally pounded the fans for years so why exactly would you want to lay it on the line for them?
He’s obviously got something left in the tank and I highly doubt the Jets were the only team with interest. After finding out about the offer on a post-it you can count on one thing. It’s that the offer was their final offer and that Gary Wichard likely wasn’t happy with that. I’m sure Wichard was against JT signing for a low amount last year. If Wichard was pissed then this scenario makes sense and it kind of makes J(e)T(s) look better.
If Wichard was pissed then it would make sense that he would direct his client to the Jets in order to piss off the FO. J(e)T(s) is fielding calls from teams so Wichard would have the the ability to push him in a direction. He can always float large numbers at everyone that calls except the Jets. Wait until right before the draft and make him think that the Jets are the best and only offer. As long as he floats dumb numbers to the other teams he’s not lying since they wouldn’t even make an offer after a huge demand.
If I was a paid journalist I would have starting polling GMs around the league on the first year salary and if they would have had interest. I really feel like even J(e)T(s) would be surprised by the results. He’s worth what the Jets paid him this year and it’s hard for me to think that 30 other teams had no interest.
I blame the sudden change on Wichard. If that’s the case then J(e)T(s) is at least guilty of ignorance because he’s not stupid. He should know plenty of other teams would have interest at that price. It’s hard not to trust your agent, especially at 36.
If I was his agent I’d be a little pissed but that’s not the FO’s problem. They made their final offer and there was no need to negotiate. The offer was declined and at that point the Fins moved on. They kept him as a backup plan and went on record through print and video saying it wouldn’t be addressed until after the draft. They got aggressive on their end when the Fins were conducting business as usual.
Do you really think no one else wanted him for under 2 million? From a respect standpoint wouldn’t you avoid playing for the fans you hate? What kind of hate could drive you to finish your career risking your livelihood for the benefit of the only people he’s ever spoken out against repeatedly. Throw in Wichard controlling the situation and it makes sense, especially if you look at Wichard’s comments when it went down. I think he got pissed and used his influence to do what’s worst for the Fins since he was making peanuts on these short and weak deals anyway.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
There is a rush if he doesnt have any offers but 2 teams and one says "wait and see if we need you" and the other says "we cant wait for an answer"
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
technically he only had one offer
but like I’ve said I doubt that’s the case. Do you really believe that? That just doesn’t sit right with me. It doesn’t make sense and it isn’t logical.
JT has been earning multi-million dollar salaries since the late 90’s so please don’t tell me he’s got to work. I’d imagine his net worth is well above 20 million so there’s no reason why he couldn’t wait for either us or someone else. If you’re that confident in his ability then you’d have to assume that someone would come calling.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^this^
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So give me a name. Name one likely suitor that hasn't come forth but surely had an offer on the table.
The only rumored team interested was New England and you know Belichick would jump at the chance to ruin JT’s image AND throw the fans here into a tizzy. I like how you say it isn’t logical Mr Spock that no other teams were interested and yet no one else made him an offer. do you really believe in this modern age of information that if another team made an offer no word of it would have gotten out? That is rather illogical. Also, someone may have come calling and they may not have come calling. It’s also possible that other FAs would be in the market (Cough, Adalius Thomas, Cough) and JT might not get picked up by anyone. He’s 36, coming off a rough end to his last season and many teams are working the youth movement and don’t want to spend big $$ on a situatioinal guy that can mentor the new guys. Simply put, NAME WHO YOU THINK WAS SO INTERESTED IN JT THAT WE DIDN’T HEAR ABOUT. Just give me your thoery and let’s see how logical it truly is.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you're not understanding what I'm saying
I’m not saying there were other offers. This is how it works. Teams call Wichard to gage the level of compensation before they even make an offer. He can just float high numbers to them assuming none will bit. If one does then great but none did. He then floated reasonable numbers to the Jets and was honestly able to say there were no other offers.
This is a killer instinct business and the way the Fins are establishing themselves is inevitably going to piss a few off. I for one don’t care and want our business in order.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...he went to the Jets for the same reason Favre went to Minn. so he can kiss the fattest part of my ass!
by buttonmashersrhilarious on May 21, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
J(e)T(s) is even worse
at least Farve had the connection to the OC and Childress through Reid via his time in GB. IMO the Vikings roster is hands down better than the Jest although I will admit that Ryan’s blitzing tendency does fit J(e)T(s) style. Another thing is Favre didn’t talk smack about the Vikings fans for his entire career.
For me it’s not a case or right or wrong. It’s a case of integrity. It’s like hooking up with your best friend’s ex. You could even say it’s like hooking up with your best friend’s ex when you encouraged him to dump her. Sure, it could be fun but likely in the end it’ll end in lose since relationships based on those kind of feelings from both sides normally end badly.
I don’t think he’s there for the right reasons and I don’t think they brought him there for the right reasons. If I’m Rex then I’m bringing in Adalius Thomas instead of J(e)T(s). I know Thomas wasn’t available yet when J(e)T(s) signed but it was inevitable that he getting released. It wouldn’t surprise me if Tannenbaum went for the flashier move. The move that could help piss us off. I bet if it was Ryan’s call he would have just signed Thomas considering they had minimal options due to the final 8 plan.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course it is because this is ALL for spite to the point
he’s such a bitch he wants moronic fans to hate our FO for it and if THAT isn’t a manipulative and spiteful drama Queen I don’t know what one is!
by buttonmashersrhilarious on May 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
SAW this is a Hall of Fame post. Awesome!
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
thanks
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
SAW, I gotta point out some missteps you have there.
1.
I know there’s plenty of you that still hold a soft spot for this guy. Lots of you direct blame at the FO for not bringing J(e)T(s) back but thanks not the case.That situation went from a holding pattern to forced landing overnight.-He made call after call to members of the Dolphins over the course of the offseason and was being pursued by the Jest for weeks before he took their offer. Forced landing OVERNIGHT is true but it happened because the FO set a stupid “After the draft” deadline and would not budge from it. If they make JT the same offer then there can be no question where he signs.
2.
One moment he’s willing to wait until after the draft and the next moment he’s sleeping with the enemy. The one team that the majority of us wished he would have stayed away from he joined.There isn’t a phins fan alive (or dead for that matter) that can/will argue with that second sentence.Him being a JET is BS. Why was he having to wait until after the draft? Because he didn’t sign a post-it note garbage offer in the middle of November? That’s the logic you are going to base your hatred of JT on? Really?
3.
This team didn’t tell him "No". They offered him a contract (post-it) and even when he declined they continued to keep him in their plans even if those plans wouldn’t have been known until after the draft. It was J(e)T(s) choice to go play for the enemy.Again no argument with the last sentence. JT made the choice and should be reviled for it. All I’m saying is quit acting like he had every other option in the world and most of his other choices were sound decisions but the FO is pure, clean, and innocent of the whole thing. It does take two to tango as the saying goes. The team didn’t tell him “No” but they did rescind the post-it offer before the end of the season. JT took a $6.9 million dollar pay cut to play here last season and the FO told him play for the same garbage salary or we are going to look for your replacement in the draft (although technically you are right, they didn’t tell him “No”).
4.
Someone that has moved on wouldn’t comment about their previous situation. Someone with vision for the future would refrain from talking about anything besides their current situation.Seriously? He was asked about the differences between the two clubs. Reporters always ask new guys about their initial impressions of the new club after having spent many years with one club all the time. Even Pudge was asked about his thoughts about the Marlins during Spring Training 2003. ESPN does its “Old Faces, New Places” deal when recapping week 1 of every NFL season. He could’ve TRASHED the Dolphins AND HE DID NOT. Doesn’t exactly sound like a spiteful SOB to me given the entire circumstance of where/when the question was asked. If you want a soundbite from some spiteful nitwit go talk to Hanley Ramirez.
5.
You can’t say they wouldn’t have signed him after the draft because we don’t know. We don’t know if their drafting would have changed if they knew he was available.It’s fairly obvious we wouldn’t have signed him for anything better than what he played for the previous season which is what they offered him in Nov. They pulled the offer after he said no before the season’s end. Do you really believe that they rescinded that offer but would give him a better one after the draft if they didn’t bomb out completely in drafting for the position?? C’mon SAW, you aint that dumb. At best, they offer him the same insult of a contract. It’s clear the FO didn’t want JT around here and JT wanted to play in the NFL so he signed with the ONLY team that had shown any interest. JT reportedly had (Adamantly) turned down a feeler offer from the Jets (through Wichard) earlier in the offseason. Does that matter to any of the RABID Haters? I know, of course not because in the end he signed with Satan’s favorite team.
In the end I don’t wish JT ill, but I’ll be damned if I am gonna wish him well. I’ll go no further than to say I hope he has a fine year on a bottom dweller of a team that spends the second half of the season trying to outperform Buffalo for the rights to the division cellar. The one thing I find funny is that no one here is calling for Channing Crowder’s head when he had publicly (on his radio show) declared his respect and admiration for Rex Ryan’s attitude with absolutely no prodding from anyone and no motivation for a deal with the Jets unless he was wanting to plant seeds for the future.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I agree with all your counter points to SAW’s post. I was about to post the same but glad to see you do the work :)
SAW: You remind me of the right-wing Republican’s on Fox who spin the news to hammer the democrats and liberals. You must have a bumper sticker that says “Ireland in 2012” on your car right? :)
Hey! I'm one of those RIGHT-WING REPUBLICANS AND I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT!
Just Kidding. Personally speaking, I prefer to keep politics out of sports since politics can be so divisive. On a side note, I have read that Arizona immigration law (all 16 pages of the Senate bill SB1070 and all 10 pages of the amended House bill HB2162) and shame on Obama, Holder, Neopolitan or whatever her name is and everyone else that is condemning that law that hasn’t even read the thing. The law doesn’t authorize racial profiling in any way and has provisions for prosecuting any police officer that utilizes race as a basis for questioning someone.
Oh, and here’s a little political message for El Presidente de Mexico:
Twas the Kettle that said to the pot: “Stop calling me black.” Fuck you El Presidente and export me more beer and fewer border runners.
-I am The Fin Reaper and I approved this message
-You’re welcome about the leg work though. Don’t be too hard on SAW. He, like probably all of us, is hurt by the betrayal of JT signing with the JETS and he is letting his anger cloud some of his judgement. JT is still in the wrong for signing with the Jest and he will bear the responsiblity for his actions, but to shoulder him with 100% of the blame for not trusting the FO and let Parcells and CO. off the hook is absurd.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The FO and Parcells aren't on the hook for this
All they did was make a final offer and pulled that offer once it was declined. If you have any knowledge on negotiation strategies then you’d see that as a solid tactic. It’s not just this negotiation, it’s every negotiation they’ll ever have. It’s setting the tone and showing that you’re word is you’re word. It’s following through on what you say and it’s about not allowing J(e)T(s) and Wichard to call the shots. They’re not in charge of the Fins although it seems like they felt they had some level of entitlement here.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tempted to skip ahead of this but I have to say you need to re-read my comment.
I never said the FO and Parcells are on the hook for this. I said both they and JT bear responsibility for JT not being a Dolphin this coming season. I blame JT for signing with the Jets but I blame the FO for not giving him any better option.
Your first two sentences make me question just how much knowledge in negotional strategies you possess. All they did was make a final offer? Since when is opening with your FINAL offer even a part of a negotiation??
Opening with a lowball offer is a solid NEGOTIATING tactic since it leaves you room to manouver at worst and at best gets you a steal of a deal. Opening with a crappy offer and say take it or leave it is dictating terms at best but in no way is it NEGOTIATING. C’mon SAW that is an absurd suggestion on your part. Setting the tone involves laying the limits of a negotiation. This is not what the front They siad this is our offer sign it or don’t but this is all you’ll get from us. Doing this with Jake Long before the draft was perfect because we had 3 different guys to workk with so if he shot it down you just move on to the next one. JT was not one of 3 so burning YOUR options at the start is about the dumbest thing any negotiator can do.
Putting your foot down is one thing, cutting off any negotiating room is another. The FO hedged their bets that JT would take it or wait until after the draft at which point he would be unlikely to get any other offers so he would be stuck with the slap in the face $1.1 million contract extension. Can you really be so blind that you can’t see that? It was a tactic to trap JT into a pitiful lowball contract which is both sound business tactics on one hand and ethically shameful on the other. The owner opens his wallet and says spend my money so you decide to take a guy that took an 87% pay cut to come back here after the FO traded him away in the first place and tell him keep making less than $1.25 million and widdle away your last years here beholden to us. JT didn’t want to do that so he turned down the extension. That’s all, he didn’t go running to the Jets but instead tried time and again to sit down at the negotiating table and the front office refused because they had to keep their word. A smart negotiator doesn’t back himself into that corner to where he has essentially written himself out of negotiations UNLESS he wanted it that way. If you can’t believe the FO didn’t mind losing JT then you must think they are awfully stupid. I personally respect them too much to think they did this all by accident.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
the reason you set example after example of opening with your final offer is so the agents eventually just accept and understand that you're not opening with a low-ball
They evaluate the level of compensation they’re willing to pay and offer it. It’s a no-games attitude and frankly if they were to follow you’re idea of negotiation then they’d be following the way it’s portrayed on TV.
The success of the FO depends on having full control. Making concessions before the draft and going against what you’ve said and what J(e)T(s) was going along with would have been a sign of weakness. I’m sure if they felt he posed a threat that they would have made more of an effort.
That’s where we’re not seeing eye to eye. You think the FO should have treated him specially and I feel that when we traded him two years ago that anything past that was bored time. He’s not special and paying him anything before the draft would have been a huge mistake and terrible example to set.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
???????
Because everything on TV is a lie. Have you ever bought a car? Did you need a car to get to work and tell the guy I’ll give you 1/2 your asking price and not a penny more? Did you get the car? Doubts on all of the above.
“The success of the FO depends on having full control.” NO SH!T Mr. Holmes. (Thought I’d change it up a little) THIS IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING!!!! This is why you don’t set the deadline. You make your offer and tell him that’s the only offer you’re interested in making. You then let him stew and stew until he (A) Accepts your offer or (B) makes an agreeable counter-offer. You can make much quicker inroads to (A) by sitting down with him and re-iterating your point and then if he doesn’t reciprocate a counter-offer in line with yours you say “I’m sorry to have wasted my time today but your offer is nowhere near close enough to our evaluated worth for you. Good day.” This is stucturing the negotiation while leaving yourself open to drive the offer to a conclusion at a later time. it keeps FULL AUTHORITY in your hands. What our FO did was take themsleves out of the game until after the Draft which left the door open to all other teams in the NFL. Doesn’t that sound odd for someone that wants JT back? This reeks of a setup to either retain him on the dirt cheap or force him to leave.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
it's Detective Holmes if you insist on using it
There’s no conspiracy theory here. There’s no underlying story. They made an offer, he rejected, they made other plans and he wasn’t happy with that. Too friggin bad, this FO doesn’t make concessions for over the hill players that think they’re special.
Just because you want the team run like a car dealership doesn’t mean you’re right. For someone that’s talking about being closed minded you should consider that the style of negotiation you’re witnessing is the style of someone with vast amounts of experience.
There are so many factors that I know you’re not considering and unfortunately it seems like your “car dealership” mentality will keep you from understanding.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Try me.
BUT…. bear in mind that I have said the FO set out with a mindset that they did not care if they didn’t retain him. I have been talking from the mindset of re-signing him (why I used the Car Dealership example). You want to enlighten me with your VAST knowledge of negotiating go ahead, but try to conform to the policies as outlined above.
If you are talking about the FO’s VAST knowledge bear in mind that I am falling back on the typical practice of The VAST majority of FOs in all professional sports. The only real difference is the mindset you start from (I think we can agree on this, Yes?) and that is common knowledge regardless of the type of business. If you want to make a deal, you will be more willing to make concessions than if you are indifferent to making the deal. Agreed?
-Also, it’s only Detective Holmes if (A) you are an actual detective AND (B) you care enough to properly address the individual with all due deference and respect. NO SHIT SHERLOCK! doesn’t exactly sound in line with (B) so I thought it best to exclude it. Similarly, a Bond villain wouldn’t call him Mr. Bond because they don’t want to address him as Agent Bond.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
the point is J(e)T(s) is youthful and doesn't answer a question going forward
he’s a stop-gap type player at best and they made their best offer. Making a concession for a player like that would be hurtful to everything they’ve built so far. Going back on the final offer they made would show weakness. It would show that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for other players when so far they’ve proven that light doesn’t exist.
You make strong offers for great players like Dansby and fair offers for players like J(e)T(s). You work with the great players in FA and make your best offer to guys that aren’t long term answers like J(e)T(s) regardless of their ties to the organization. It’s a very efficient way of doing business that I don’t expect everyone to be able to relate to. It’s a matter of not sweating the small stuff and unfortunately J(e)T(s) at this point falls under that category. He wasn’t a priority after they tried to make him one by making the offer before guys like Penny or Ferg were even offered anything.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
The point is they could've made him a reasonable offer at the conclusion of the season (Say $2 mil) instead of a slap in the face extension in November.
If what you are saying is accurate they would’t have withdrawn the offer in December. Sorry you seem to be forgetting that point. to say they “Tried to make him a priority” is about as laughable as it gets. I agree he should have received a fair offer. You and I just disagree on what a fair offer is for the best OLB on your team. 2 years at $1.5 million plus incentives for another $1 million each year with NO Guaranteed money sound right to me. if he proves he can’t cut it/you find someone better you can still cut him if he won’t re-negotiate the deal given the now certain reduction of his playing time or keep him since you are paying him comensurate with his ability.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 22, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll trust that this FO can assess value and be upfront when they need to
J(e)T(s) isn’t special and is crude style in threatening to get to the Jets right before the draft isn’t something that will ever get results from this FO.
All of the things your saying you wished they would have done would be signs of weakness. It’s one thing to make those concessions for a player of long term value but not a guy that’s trying to stake his assumption of entitlement with a team that isn’t going to deal with his drama. If he cared as much as you he would have waited. Opportunities come for players with his resume. To say he took his only opportunity is to make a piss pour excuse for him acted on a bluff that he hoped he wouldn’t have to. If you want to put J(e)T(s) in any light here then you need to see the Wichard is the only person that really would have been left insulted by their style of making an offer.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
All of that is YOUR Opinion. I'd refer to deal in FACTS
For instance, it’s a fact that a $0.9 million dollar raise for a guy that despite his age proved he was the best LB on the team at the time after taking a $6.9 million dollar cut is hardly a sign of weakness.
You keep excusing the initial offer and blasting JT for everything HE did afterward. Therein lies the difference between us.
I will say this last bit and go to bed and hopefully you will be able to likewise put this matter to rest.
If your boss comes to you tomorrow and tells you to take a leave of absence but don’t worry because something will probably come up are you suggesting you would sit on your arse at home and wait for the phone to ring??? Hypothetical question not involving an answer where you try to pick it apart as invalid ormake a case that you would be okay with the situation.
Let me say this in all caps and bold to finally put this to rest:
BOTH THE DOLPHINS AND JT MADE MOVES THAT LOCKED THE OUTCOME IN PLACE THAT HE WOULD GO TO ANOTHER TEAM. JT MADE THE MOVE THAT SENT HIM TO THE JETS. THIS MEANS BOTH PLAYED A ROLE (in his being gone), BUT JT ALONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SIGNING WITH THE JETS . THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SAID SINCE THE BEGINNING. Now for the sake of everybody else here can we all just move on and stop getting our panties in a twist everytime JT is mentioned? Especially if he isn’t BASHING the Dolphins organization but only stating a facct that doesn’t denigrate either organization but only illustrates the differences between them. Boil up that hatred and unleash it when he comes here to get his and the other Jets’ asses stomped. Deal?
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 22, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are you blaming the FO for doing their job?
Face it, your precious J(e)T(s) couldn’t get his way and he started acting foolish by taking trips to NY and setting deadlines for the Fins to sign him.
He’s not that important. Hopefully the more I say that the more you’ll realize that concessions aren’t made for players with one foot out the door.
Let me know when you truly understand the games that agents play and the advanced methods of negotiating beyond the tactics you learned while picking up a new Ford Fiesta.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Where do we flag someone for being an ass?
“Face it, your precious J(e)T(s) couldn’t get his way”-He’s not MY precious JT douche. I don’t now, nor have I ever, owned a JT jersey but I’ll gladly give you my Culpepper jersey if you want it. JT isn’t my favorite player and I haven’t
“He’s not that important.”- I never said he was more important than anyone else. You are the one PRESUMING that I think he deserved special treatment. You are stillhung up on everything that happened after December which I am not even talking about!
-Please enlighten us as to your negotiating experience since you consider yourself the foremost guru on the subject. While you’re at it, re-read my posts where I am not talking about caving to JT or his agent. IF I had a Ford Fiesta, I’d probably douse it in gasoline and light the sucker. You’re last post shows you attitude towards those you disagree with and if I might be so bold, your immaturity in dealing with contrasting points of view (denigrating the commenter instead of the comment for example, presuming you know best despite your lack of knowledge of the individual giving the counter-point, etc..) You’ve spent most of this point arguing that JT didn’t deserve any special treatment when I have yet to suggest he DID.
I’m blaming the FO for eliminating their options uneccesarily. THAT IS ALL!
ALL I HAVE SAID FROM THE START is they didn’t make an offer that was intended to retain JT on this team. JT was their most proven and versatile talent at LB (both ILB and OLB) at the time of the INITIAL offer (which is the only offer I have been referencing as having a problem with). You continue to denigrate me, my knowledge of negotiation, and my personal biases. You have displayed (time and again) a complete disregard for what was actually said because you personally are too busy trying to defend (Perceived) attacks on Parcells and Co. I have levied few criticisms against the FO (Pat White, John Nalbone) and have been one of the fairer in regards to passing blame for the JT situation. Have you noticed how many times I have said HE is RESPONSIBLE for signing with the JEST??? I even said within this very topic how the FO made an offer in November that presented only 2 possible outcomes that wouldn’t negate all they had accomplished in the way they had done business since coming here. One outcome would see JT return for a one year at one of the cheapest salaries for a veteran on the team (even CP10 got a better offer and he will hopefully never play a down). The other outcome would see JT in a different uni next year. My only problem with the move made by the FO was that it was uneccesary to offer an extension when a minimal raise W/OUT guaranteed money makes JT both available AND expendable. The FO has instead been forced to throw everythin behind Cameron Wake and Koa Misi. They’re both fine talents but if either fails to blossom this year then getting rid of JT will look VERY foolish. I hope that doesn’t happen.
Just to put it right in front of you to read (and holpefully comprehend):
#1. I haven’t criticised the FO sticking to their guns and in reality applaud that they did.
#2. I blame JT ENTIRELY for signing with the Jets and will boo him accordingly when we play him.
#3. I want the FO to be stern and iron-willed in their negotations. I am only suggesting they be smarter about their talent valuation. I disagree with cutting lose your top LB when you have a defense that is already full of gaping holes at NT and FS while having atrocious talent at ILB.
#4. I am of the opinion that an increase from his 2009-2010 salary would have been enough to keep JT here since he had already turned down millions to return. This doesn’t not mean I wanted them to throw money at him like he was a cornerstone of the future.
#5. I don’t trust Wichard wanted JT to play in Miami. I trust he wanted JT to play period and that he didn’t give a rip where that was.
#6. I don’t see JT as he was 6 years ago but I do see him for what he was last season (AT the time of the FIRST, LAST, ONLY, and FINAL offer) which was the best all—around LB on the team.
#7. I haven’t said JTs legacy should matter in a negotiation but have said he was worth a $2 million dollar deal that could be negated before the season started. Why can you not agree that such a contract offered no risk at all to the franchise?
-If JT turns it down the FO can claim (truthfully so) that they made him a fair offer in that they even offered him a raise due to his performance.
-If he takes the deal you either get to retain your best all-around LB for what is still a very low price tag (for your #1 guy at a position, Kevin Mawae for comparisons sake was paid $2.5 million last season and he is a 39 year old Center) or you cut him because you are confident the rookies have surpassed his value and can handle the position.
This is just a sound strategy in that the FO comes out on top via any circumstance whereas if you don’t retain him and fail to upgrade effectively via the draft you have left a huge hole in you defense. While it appears we will not face that eventuality and my optimism in that department springs eternal, it doesn’t negate the fact that one method was safer without requiring any sacrifice by the FO or the Franchise.
I hope that was clear enough to make my entire viewpoint entirely understood since these massive posts are really not fair to everyone else here. If you can finally follow where I am coming from you don’t have to reply but if you want to furth add insults and talk down my intellect and how closely I have followed the game then go ahead. I have no reason to stop you from being you. I would just prefer that you are better, wiser, and more capable of seperating yourself from your personal biases than your last post makes you appear.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 23, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
we're going in circles here
and I’ve got a feeling I’ll be getting enough of that tonight in the LOST finale. All I can say is I think that the main point we’re missing each other on is the going back part.
I truly believe that making the mid-season offer and pulling it if declined is the right move as well as sicking to your guns and not going back and offering more. It’s just my feeling and if you go and my most recent fanpost I think you’ll get a better feeling for where I’m coming from. To be honest I wrote the fanpost with some of this conversation in mind.
I understand that your major sticking point is that you feel it would have been worth it to pay him a little more and get the deal done before the draft but in retrospect that is the easy answer. If you check out the fanpost I did then I guess the only way I can justify my thought process is by saying the offer is the offer and there should be no going back and increasing offers if you truly feel that what you offered is what they’re worth. It’s one thing if you low ball the initial offer but that’s not the case with these guys. Their offer is their offer. If good enough then great and if not then it’s time to move on to plan. Start increases offers and you’ll never know when to stop.
I do understand your perspective though, I just don’t agree with it.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 23, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
How are you not getting me? I don't want them to go back and increase offers. I want them to make the suitable offer up front. If JT gets a legit offer and turns it down then screw him for being a greedy SOB.
“All I can say is I think that the main point we’re missing each other on is the going back part.”—-NO SAW, we aren’t missing each other. I HAVE AGREED WITH YOU several times about not going back on your word since it would have invalidated the environment they had established since arriving here.
MY ENTIRE POINT is that JT was worth more than $1.1 million and that that offer (as a final offer) was intended to have JT move along unless we failed to acquire what we needed in the draft. If we had failed and JT was still there they would have had to now negotiate a better offer with him or start camp with a gaping hole in the defense at OLB (not to mention FS). Do you see what I mean by backing themselves into a corner? I wanted them to have him signed THEN go after an upgrade in the draft with a safety net if they failed to get who they needed. THAT IS ALL. I wanted them to have all the cards in their hand without compromising their integrity or operational tendencies. Is that so stupid of me? Really? Is it? I don’t care WHO the talent was, I care WHAT the talent is and even a stopgap is better than a hole in the dam.My only disagreement with the FO was not offering that $2mil offer up front instead. I agree with everything they did after the season ended but disagree with the ORIGINAL offer. It was a poor offer UNLESS they were trying to get rid of JT OR didn’t think he would be superior to a rookie (even in a situational role). I will yield to their evaluation of talent but I feel it was foolish to cut an asset that didn’t need to be cut. If Misi falters and JT is lighting up opponents in NY we will look like IDIOTS because we could have kept both right up until the final cut down of the roster and potentially into the season. I agree with you on 99% of what was done. Please comprehend the 1% we disagree on so we can finally see eye to eye on this.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 24, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You're throwing political rhetoric and slurs around
like a good little Soros sheeple yet you want to flag someone for being an ass? ROFLMAO
by buttonmashersrhilarious on May 23, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't you the incendiary little maggot.
What political rhetoric? I’ve mentioned politics in 3 posts. Feel free to cite which one bothered you. In 1 of those I also defended SAW with another poster because I understand why he is pissed off at JT. I’m defending someone with an opposing viewpoint that I am trying to have a debate with and that sounds to you like a Soros sheeple? We must be thinking of a different Soros.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 24, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking it's common knowledge that our entire LB corp blowed goats
except for Wake and he was one dimensional.
The best turd in a pile of shit is STILL a turd but we should sign him just because he’s the “best” we had?
Just this year they let Jones go,signed Tomlinson and we laugh at them EVERY YEAR for being morons yet we should sign a guy who was only wanted by them? Now THATS hilarious!
by buttonmashersrhilarious on May 23, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So you agree that we had JT (the top turd as you call him), Wake (1-dimensional) and now we have???
Now we have Wake (hopefully, more dimensional) and Misi. This will undoubtedly be an upgrade over last year if Misi can play to his potential but there is a very real possibilty that he doesn’t. In that event, you now fall back solely on Charlie Anderson and maybe Q. Moses both of whom were inferior to JT (lesser turds as you pointed out). Would it really have been so dumb to offer JT a small raise ($2mil instead of $1.1mil) in November given his ability and stuck to that offer? If he takes it and you decide you don’t need him, you can still cut him without penalty. If you decide you need him, you have him. If he doesn’t take the offer you can point out that (1) you paid him better than the majority of your signings (2) HE chose to go elsewhere for less $ and (3) You needed the savings to aquire Dansby and Marshall and those two combined are FAR more valuable than JT. You may not agree with my viewpoint but niether you nor SAW has managed to invalidate it yet. Please, by all means, explain why a $2mil offer would have been so wrong. I’ve said it plainly, the offer that was made in Nov. was intended to see him leave or be retained at a ridiculous wage if no one else wanted him. According to SAW, there were many teams with interest in JT so it’s impossible to believe that and that JT was going to stay with a team whose FO was saying we don’t value you here. JT NEVER should have signed with the JETS. Period. End of Discussion. Agreed??
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 24, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
So what if Henne has a great year and it's time to re-sign him..
What if Henne’s gets a sticky note with an offer from the Tuna. What if he politely says.. “…hey it’s still November. Let’s wait till end of year and I’d like to have my agent review the contract.”
Is the FO going to pull the contract and let him walk?
By the way… I could care less if they signed JT. Although I do think we need him now. My problem with this whole F-UP was the LACK of communication to JT after the offer was withdrawn. There was a meeting that was scheduled and then magically canceled. During that meeting they should have reiterated their intentions and defused the tension that was made by either the media or both parties. There’s a lack of tact.
Here's the deal with Henne
as a drafted player they have him locked into RFA and in general it’s a completely different situation.
I try and explain the difference in who’s worth the effort and who isn’t and how that effects our drafted players in my most recent fanpost. I think you’ll see what I’m saying if you check it out.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 23, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
so I guess in your eyes the FO is at fault
I’m so far from right wing that it’s funny to me that you’d suggest that.
I’m not spinning anything, I’m just using my intelligence to realize J(e)T(s) and his agent are FOS.
I’m not going to believe that the Jets were the only offer. I believe that there were other interested teams that were discouraged to offer a contract and I definitely believe that many other teams would have had more interest once we saw a few injuries going forward.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
Feel free to correct my spelling and grammar in fanposts and comments. I've lived my entire life in the U.S. so you understand.
by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You sound a little bit close minded there SAW.
“I’m not going to believe that the Jets were the only offer.”-Despite all evidence to the contrary. Such a mindset makes you look a little dumb to be honest.
“I believe that there were other interested teams that were discouraged to offer a contract and I definitely believe that many other teams would have had more interest once we saw a few injuries going forward”-That is your right to believe what you want but it doesn’t change that no other teams were offering him a contract. Why would other teams be “discoouraged” to offer JT a contract if they were interested? The only suitors in their way would have been the JETS! A team that JT hates (mutually), a team that cannot win a bidding war for JT’s services, and a team with a fan base that has unreal expectations and turns on players for not being perfect. That was the only competitor for JT but the remaining 30 teams were discouraged from offering a contract. That really doesn’t make any sense and, as stated in your post, may be the least sensible thing you have ever written (you’re normally a sound fellow).
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You think Wichard is on the up and up and I think something smells fishy
It’s not crazy to think a pissed off agent made sure his client was forced to go somewhere that would hurt the team that wouldn’t negotiate with him. If you can’t grasp that side of the business then I don’t know what to tell you.
Read up on J(e)T(s) net worth and then tell me if you think he’s struggling. Waiting for an injury in camp isn’t that big of a deal to someone that wants to maintain their integrity by not laying it on the line for those he’s openly hated over the years.
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I can grasp the concept but Wichard didn't fly JT out to NY to wine and dine and schmiise him for the weekend. That was the JETS.
A pissed off agent? I think we would both sooner buy the idea of a greedy agent wanting his cut of more than $1.1 million for the second consecutive year in an uncapped season where his Gravy Train (err, I mean client) would be almost assuredly, signing his final contract. As for hurting the team, he could’ve pushed him to go to NE if the interest WAS there. Imagine how people would say we’re screwed now that JT isn’t trying to put Brady on his back. Not to mention the propensity of Belicheat to snatch up Dolphins players that the FO didn’t want anymore.
No one said it was all about the money for JT. It was about the disrespect. You calling him J(e)T(s) being a similar form of rude disrespect (albeit more warranted than that of the FO)
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There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
look into the fixed % that agents earn and realize that the difference in compensation to Wichard was extremely minimal
if anything this situation was becoming a loss to him compared to the money he’s making with other clients of his.
The second year of his deal with the Jets is made of monopoly money so let not act like Wichard was ever retiring off this one commission. If anything he pushed the issue early in order not to be distracted once the real Gravy Train rolled in after the draft.
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by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
So he told JT to sign with the JETS because he was pissed at the Dolphins. What does HE get out of it? NOTHING. You really think a player's agent is going to tell him to do what he doesn't want to do out of spite?
I’m not saying Wichard was looking to break the bank (that was Fasano whose tender by the FO I praised) but I think he, like all agents, cares more about the money than anything else related to the player. Looks it’s your opinion but the FACT remains that no other offers have come to light and JT reportedly told Wichard “HELL NO!” to an earlier JETS offer before the Dolphins refused to budge (as they had forced themselves to do). What if Miami tells JT we are planning on giving you a $1.5 million deal over 2 years after the draft but right now we are busy molding this franchise’s long term future so you won’t get an official deal until then as we promised You can wait on it or you can sign with the Jets, your choice. Do you think JT signs with the Jets? I personally doubt it because I have no reason to believe he wanted to play for the Jets. HE could have gone running to them after their initial offer, he could have said yes durign his tour of the new stadium, he could have not waited until the JETS said sign or we are pulling our offer. Everything here says he was willing to entertain the thought but was not desiring to play for the JETS. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt in light of those realities. You choose to condemn him as wanting to be a JET in spite of those realities.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 22, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Making promises of signing after the draft would also be a sign of weakness
The player in question wasn’t of the importance to make that kind of concession. Once again it’s their show and J(e)T(s) doesn’t make the rules. If you can’t see that he’s playing for the Jets for the wrong reasons then I don’t know what to tell you. You must really think he needs the money.
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by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You're creating a situation in your head from absolutely no facts...
……was Wichard the second gun man too?
you're right, I'll wait for a biased side to tell me what happened
I don’t expect you to understand. It’s my view, it’s based on things that I understand and it’s based on actions that in my mind draw me to that conclusion. It’s based on facts that led me to that conclusion. I don’t represent it as fact so stop whining about it. You’re not going to agree with everything you see and all you can ask is that when it’s an opinion that someone represents it that way which I always do.
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by special agent wildcat on May 23, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
So now you're creating a conspiracy theory?
That’s real stretch… especially since there weren’t even rumors.
dude, it's my opinion. I represent it as that so get off my back and get a life
no where do I ever say it’s fact and no where do I state that what I’m saying definitely happened. All I ever do is push that this is my view so why don’t you stop acting like you’re the post police and that it’s your job in this world to knock down creative and logical thought. There are things in this world that you don’t understand. The only way that can hurt you is if you cease to realize that other options and ideas exist.
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by special agent wildcat on May 23, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't disagree without you getting defensive???
I’m not attacking you so take a step back.. I am however disagreeing with you and I explained why in my other posts. It’s not a logical conclusion but it is your opinion.
1. Deadlines aren’t stupid. They’re used by smart negotiators so that you’re aren’t pushed around by agents. If they had went back on what they said about the deadline then they would have shown every agent in the league that if you’re not getting your way with us to just go and talk with the Jets. Business is not done on J(e)T(s) terms which is what he tried. He’s not that important.
2. Call it a post-it if you’d like but bottom is that it was an offer that was declined. J(e)T(s) wanted to have his agent negotiate when the Fins had made their final offer. Yes, that’s the logic I’m using because my affiliation is with the team, not him. In my eyes everything he’s done here is in spite of us which pisses me off. When an athlete tries to draw a line between fan’s and their team it really annoys me. It’s frustrating because some people buy their BS lies.
3. I’m not naive and I’m not buying Wichard’s BS. I promise you there was other interest out there although I’ll likely never be able to prove it. Do you really think there was no other interest for that low amount?
4. It’s my opinion that a true professional would be avoiding the comparison. Just seems like the classy thing to do if he’s considering all the fans that supported him for years. Why try and piss us off by putting us in a negative light in comparison to the workload in NY?
5. His year one salary is damn close to the offer the Fins made in November. If you’re so convinced that he only had one other offer then how can you say the Fins offer was insulting? If he truly only had one offer then no offer of any size would be insulting. Come on Reaper, you’re not that dumb to really believe the Jets were the only team interested. Don’t by the BS of an agent that was obviously pissed at our FO.
No offense but you’re a perfect example of what he and his agent were hoping from all of us which is to buy their BS and take the perspective that the FO has wronged him in some way. This is a business and when someone declines your offer you move on. You move forward and you stick to your word. You don’t allow players of agents to dictate their terms to you especially when the player is over the hill and well past his prime. He’s just not that important.
If you’re going to take my word on anything short of evidence then let it be that their were other teams with interest. I can’t stress enough that I feel that’s the case and that Wichard pushed him in that direction.
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
#1
1. Deadlines aren’t stupid. They’re used by smart negotiators so that you’re aren’t pushed around by agents. If they had went back on what they said about the deadline then they would have shown every agent in the league that if you’re not getting your way with us to just go and talk with the Jets. Business is not done on J(e)T(s) terms which is what he tried. He’s not that important.
-Deadlines aren’t stupid? Go ask Obama how well his poll numbers since Guantanamo Bay is still open AFTER his deadline past or if we are still in Iraq AFTER his deadline passes. Deadlines by themselves are fine if you can meet them. If YOUR OWN Deadline backs YOU into a corner to where you cannot act, then YES! the self-imposed deadline that you handcuffed yourself with IS VERY STUPID. If they had gone back on their deadline…..WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON’T SET THAT DEADLINE!! You handcuff yourself and take any bargaining power out of your hands until the deadline passes leaving the other 31 teams open to negotiate while you’re stuck on the sidelines. Do you see how this is a problem? Especially if multiple teams were interested in him. There are only 2 reasons to set the deadline. #1 You don’t care if you lose the guy and #2 You are willing to bet he will still be there after the deadline passes. Clearly, the FO figured into one of these (likely #1 given their history with JT) and they gambled and lost out on JT. This doesn’t mean it was the wrong move but it does mean they are PARTLY to blame for JT not returning here. I’ve never said they alone are responsible and JT is just some innocent victim. JT made his choice and he has to live with it. The difference between us SAW is that you won’t shoulder any blame on the FO while I am willing to place blame equal to where it lies.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not afraid of the results of a deadline
Our result led us to drafting four LBs and preparing to do so. I’m convinced from a value standpoint that it was the best moves in the draft for us although if J(e)T(s) was available they may have drafted differently.
Let’s try not to involve politics here, it’s not the time or place.
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta ask based on that response and what you said earlier about your Right-wingedness.
Are you a lefty? Don’t worry I don’t care what letter is on your Voter Registration as long as you wear Teal and orange to Vote in ;-)
Also, I never said you should be AFRAID of the deadline results. I’m just saying we shouldn’t be handicapping ourselves in negotiations withe best OLB on the team. Give him a $2.5 million deal with no guaranteed money and if he isn’t good enough to earn that paycheck compared to the others on the depth cahrt you simply cut him loose no harm no foul due to the lack of a salary floor or cap hits to worry about. This way we have some flexibility in the draft in case things don’t go our way. I’m all about us dealing from a position of strength. Do you truly see a problem with that suggestion??
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm honestly down the middle
There are things I relate to on both sides of our political system.
You have to look at the individuality of the NFL among even the other sports throughout the world.
The point is if they reacted to the threat of going to the Jets they would have come off as weak to other agents. Other agents would think they could send their players to visits with the Jets and get something out of it from us. It’s a bad example to set. 36 y/o over the hill players aren’t a priority at the beginning of FA or while you’re acquiring a stud WR. The disruption they tried to cause is much more than you’re seeing.
I honestly do see a problem with reacting to a threat. Going to the Jets was a threat that I bet he regrets making in the end. He was forced to act on the threat and from a league-wide perception standpoint the Fins were forced to stick to their guns. I don’t fault them for sticking to a plan and I certainly fault J(e)T(s) for displaying a low level of integrity by playing for the one team he publicly bashed for years.
Active interest aside, do you really think another opportunity wouldn’t have arrived in the near future for the guy let alone one with the Fins right after the draft?
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant give him the $2.5 first not in reaction to a threat which I have NEVER adovcated doing. I wanted to not be in a position where a threat could even be reacted to.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 22, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying to give in to J(e)T(s) financial demands
To the FO he’s only worth what they offered him. Any more and they would have been overpaying. Start overpaying for one guy that you shouldn’t care about and all of a sudden you’re doing it for all players that you consider to be on his level.
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by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
NO!! I'm not saying give in to his demands!! How many ways can I say that?? You make 1 suitable offer and leave the decision to sign up to him (just like with Crowder, Long, etc.).
I’m saying make a legit offer up front and if he doesn’t think its fair he is free to test the waters himself and either leave or come crawling back. My point is I think it would have been WISE to retain him until camp and then cut him loose if he wasn’t necessary (no penalty for it so why not). I wanted us to have the safety net in case our rookies make insufficient progress. Does having a plan B not make sense?? The offer they made was not intended to bring him back UNLESS nobody else wanted him. He played for $1.1 mil coming off a shortened season with question marks, played 2009 at an effective level and was easily the top player at his position. Factor all of that in and a small raise to show appreciation and value to the guy (especially with an uncapped year upcoming) and you make a single FINAL offer in good faith most logically at the conclusion of the season. At that point it becomes up to JT what to do but the FO is in the clear. I think we both knew at the end of the season that it would be unlikely no one else would have interest so It’s clear they didn’t care if we had inferior players at OLB. Hopefully, Misi and Wake progress enough to be true improvements at OLB.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 24, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
#2
2. Call it a post-it if you’d like but bottom is that it was an offer that was declined. J(e)T(s) wanted to have his agent negotiate when the Fins had made their final offer. Yes, that’s the logic I’m using because my affiliation is with the team, not him. In my eyes everything he’s done here is in spite of us which pisses me off. When an athlete tries to draw a line between fan’s and their team it really annoys me. It’s frustrating because some people buy their BS lies.
-Their final offer was also their first offer. That’s some dynamite dictating there but it’s hardly negotiating. You’re the one who called it a post-it and most will call it that because that is what it was according to all sources involved including the Dolphins. JT wanted to negotiate and have his agent present well now there’s a novelty. imagine the impudence of a guy wanting his agent to do the job he is getting paid to do. You sound like a PO’ed child man. Agents negotiate contracts. It goes on in every sport with every team or are you suggesting they handed B. Marshall a post-it note and said this is our FIRST and FINAL offer? DO you think Incognito got one post-it? How about Dansby? What about Crowder? Do you think Ireland has talked to any of their agents? Crowder was praising Rex Ryan and we re-signed him. Where is your outrage over that?
YOU are blaming JT for everything that happened because he felt he desoerved better than a $1.1 million contract extension offered to him in the middle of November while he was one of the top players on the team. The man took a $7 million pay cut to come here worked his ass off and was a team leader and a major component of our defense. Factor all of that in and you are still pissed that he felt slighted by getting that BS offer which was unheard of outside of this organization? Well excuse me for not shitting all over a guy because he had never done business in such a manner, felt betrayed by the FO’s lack of respect for him, and chose not to bend over and take it in the ass. Did he do it to spite you? I sincerely doubt it and if he is the douche you make him out to be then I really doubt he gives a d@mn if he hurt your feelings. Honestly, I don’t know of anyone here who has said that they are gonna root against the Dolphins because of this so the only one who sounds like he’s drawing a line between the fans is you.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
take it or leave it the offer is the offer
It’s called being strong and it’s the reason why many powerful agents prefer their players stay away from here. You could look at it your way and say it’s hurting us but I prefer to think that it’s making us stronger. It’s creating a reputation in our FO for being direct and to the point. I’m surprised you’re opposed to such a no-nonsensical way of thinking.
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said it was the wrong OVERALL strategy.
If i felt that way I would criticise the contract offer that was made (in Identical fashion) to RWilliams. The point I’m making is that given the player AND his position AND the depth at that position that it was unwise and more imprtantly unwarranted.
BTW, please answer the other questions in the middle of my post. Do you think Crowder got a post-it note??? being the main one. What has CC done for us ever? Never mind the pre-2009 career for JT. JT did more last season than CC has ever proven capable of but CC didn’t get a post-it note did he?
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
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by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Crowder got a 3 year offer
got pissed, whined a bit, went out looking elsewhere and came back with his tail between his legs accepting the original offer.
Worst example you could of used ever since Crowder’s deal was a year or two less than he was expected to get and much lighter in guarantees because of it.
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
So he got a better offer than JT did DESPITE his perpetually inferior play. There's a reason I went with Crowder there. It would have been perfect with CC but he still didn't get a post-it note during the middle of the season which is my point.
If I was looking for direct line by line comparisons that would be sure to start a fight, I would’ve thrown jason Ferguson at you. I know you have no counter to that so I haven’t gone there.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
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by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Crowder was 10 years younger at the time of his deal than J(e)T(s) is at this time
He still holds trade value so please throw that one out.
In the case of Ferg it’s normal for a NT to last well into their mid to late 30s. That’s not the case at LB so that’s why it doesn’t fit. I’m also sure Ferg didn’t negotiate with them since their offer to him would likely also be their final offer.
I see no one else complaining about their style of negotiation so hoepfully most others realize they make their best offer and if it’s not good enough then they move on.
Take Dansby for example. Team’s concerned with low balling are stuck waiting to make an impression on him. His level of importance was high so they assessed his level of compensation and likely hit the ground running with the best opening offer. Got him down here and made sure he didn’t leave.
If their opening offer is their final offer then it comes down to the importance of the player. The more important the closer to above market they’ll be offered. In J(e)T(s) case the level of importance was low since he offers no long term answer.
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Read one of my earlier posts where I say almost EXACTLY what you just said in your last two paragraphs.
What trade value does Crowder have? No one offered him a better deal according to your own post so whose gonna give up something to Miami to get him when they didn’t have to? He has been outackled by the teams safeties for years. Even Tim Dobbins, the “throwaway player” in the draft day trade outperformed him in much the same way Wake outperformed Porter. Crowder is younger but it’s unlikely his ceiling gets much higher and JT is still superior to him in the 3 phases of the defensive game.
Fergs the same age as JT, more injury riddled, suspended for half the season, and was no more productive for his position than JT was for his. His position suffered a big dropoff when he was injured but that is a testament to Soliai’s ability as much as Fergusons.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 22, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You're not getting the benefit of Ferg
He’s meant to still be performing at a good level, J(e)T(s) isn’t. He doesn’t count against the roster while suspended so please so trying to take a good thing and a player that’s performed well for us as of recent and turn it into a bad thing.
Crowder and J(e)T(s) are like comparing apples and grenades. I don’t think you have a grasp on actual trade value in the NFL. Try not to speculate on Dobbins based on numbers. At least wait for him to step on the field before you start saying he’s as good as Crowder who BTW I’m not a big fan of. He does hold trade value though and the situation we were in when he was signed kind of forced us to take the deal he wanted to give us.
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by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He does hold trade value though and the situation we were in when he was signed kind of forced us to take the deal he wanted to give us."???? I thought WE gave the deals. Did I miss something?
I think you overvalue CC’s value Does it detract that he has 1 intercetption in his career? Perhaps his value is elevated by being ranked lower as a player at LB than Akin Ayodele? Maybe his stock is improved because some of his teamates like Phillip Merling have more interceptions than he does or that Jason Taylor has returned more fumbles for TDs than Crowder has even caught ints AND recovered fumbles COMBINED. Taylor also had more passes defensed than Crowder and JT was a pass rusher at 35 years old! Crowder sucks and if Mike Nolan can’t save his career this year then CC needs to get really comfy behind a microphone because that will be the only way he ever sniffs an NFL field again.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 22, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It's his youth that presents value
All it takes is one to create a trade market and youth is usually the starting point for getting a deal done. For a tram running a 3-4 he really does present some upside as well as comes better than a lot of other guys at that spot.
The point on the deal is that at the time we didn’t pull the offer since we were in the middle of FA. We made the offer and allowed him to go a see what else was out there. When I say we were forced I mean that they made an offer that they likely didn’t expect to get accepted. Call that what you’d like but that’s another case of sticking to a plan. When he came back to them he displayed weakness and they could have taken advantage and lowered the offer. Instead they stuck to their word and signed him to what they had previously offered.
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What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
#3
3. I’m not naive and I’m not buying Wichard’s BS. I promise you there was other interest out there although I’ll likely never be able to prove it. Do you really think there was no other interest for that low amount?
No you won’t be able to prove it because no other offer has been found and if all the reporters can’t find it and none of the GMs are confessing, and there weren’t even rumors about other teams involved (save for rampant rumors about the Pats) then it would seem very unlikely that you would prove it. If you ever do let me know so we can get you on the super secret prove who really shot JFK investigative team. I really think that considering the low amount of our offer, considering the way the Jets were hampered in how much they could offer, considering that no other team would have been more abhorrant than the JETS, and considering that no other slighted suitor has come forth to rat JT out that NO, THERE WERE NO OTHER OFFERS. I get it that you don’t trust his agent but man the facts are all out there in front of you.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
you'll never know because
a GM speaking up doesn’t help them in any way. Frankly it’s none of their business and it would only alienate them against Wichard. A silent poll of all other 30 GMs might work but that’s a Peter King type project.
I guess I just expect a higher level of integrity from a guy we turned into the size of a building in London.
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically, wasn't that the NFL's doing??
I didn’t think we had to pony up for that ridiculous refugee from the Vegas Strip they had sent over to Merry ole England.
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There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not following
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Who paid the tab on the 3 story tall Jason Taylor?
I was under the impression that he was chosen by the NFL due to (A) Miami being the home team, (B) his being the most well known and respected and accomplished of the players on our roster (on both rosters technically at that time) and © because the NFL was really banking heavilly on putting on a big show for that inaugural game.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure the NFL paid
my point is as the face of the franchise he should sound more like Zach did in his press conference, realizing this FO is here to do the job the right way.
The threat that J(e)T(s) made in going to the Jets is a perfect example of not understanding how to set a deadline. The Fins didn’t lose anything by pulling the offer since it was up to J(e)T(s) to realize he’d have to wait. It’s on him at that point and I’ll never expect this FO to react to threats. J(e)T(s) mistake is that he was forced into acting on something that I’d bet started as a bluff.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
#4
4. It’s my opinion that a true professional would be avoiding the comparison. Just seems like the classy thing to do if he’s considering all the fans that supported him for years. Why try and piss us off by putting us in a negative light in comparison to the workload in NY?
Exactly! It’s YOUR opinion not HIS intention. Name just one athlete that ever said, I have no interest in answering your question because I think to do so would be a classless gesture on my part. If you notice, he didn’t piss quite a few of us off because he didn’t say anything that puts us in a negative light. If the guys on the 72 team said Shula’s 4 a days were night and day compared with say Cleveland’s system (Warfield) would it have been Classless or a statement of fact? If anything he said the feeling in NY is laid back and carefree when the Dolphins are all business (WHICH IS AS IT SHOULD BE). It’s practically a complement to the Dolphins’ dedication to offseason condition and not one Dolphin that I’m aware of has said he took it otherwise. If you want to talk about classless ex-Dolphin LBs start quoting Joey Porter.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Donovan McNabb has done nothing but take the high road since being traded to the Skins
perfect example of someone that should be pissed but is acting like a true professional that understands that what was done was in the best interest of the franchise that I’m sure he still loves.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many times has he been asked to compare and contrast his current and former teams??? That's the whole point and you missed it.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 22, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Plenty especially when Jackson is talking badly about him
The point is he’s taken the high road and only responded to comments from current Eagles players. J(e)T(s) on the other hand welcomed the question from media whose job is to create the story if it doesn’t present itself. It’s not like he was responding to something a Fins player said about him.
Maybe you should realize that you’re version of the point isn’t exactly correct.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
When was he asked specifically to cite differences between the two teams and there attitudes and practices SPECIFICALLY?
Plenty is not an answer. He’s only responded to comments from current Eagles? Who said anything about what someone else is saying about him? Maybe you should realize you are talking about something different from what I am talking about which is why it sounds incorrect to you.
Taylor was asked a simple question and gave a simple answer without burying his teammates (on either team) or saying either organization was wrong in their approach. That is classy. If he’d said he didn’t want to talk about the Dolphins or answer the question the reporters would have said he was harboring ill will, sour grapes or had a chip on his shoulder so he is damned if he does (in your eyes) and damned if he doesn’t. YOU (and others sharing your opinion) are the one gleaming such offense from a rather unoffensive statement. Media commentators that cover the Dolphins have expressed no outrage and several have stated that it was an honest and accurate statement. Orlando Alzagueri even said in reference to the quote: “What do you want me to say about it its the truth.” This wasn’t a dig but you are taking it personally. If Jason said one difference is that his new head coach was taller are you gonna say JT should be beaten for saying that Ryan is taller than Sparano. I’m sure you’ve been to some games and know for a fact that Tony isn’t exactly built for basketball but there isn’t anything wrong with that. Height means jack when it comes to coaching but it is a fact that Sparano gets blocked from view from the stands by his players while no JETS player alive can obscure the view of Rex Ryan (Although kudos to RR on the Weight loss even though I still hope you get hospitalised choking on a muffin so we don’t have to hear you do the bipolar bitching you did all last season).
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 22, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not mistaken
True professionals keep from talking about their former employer but you obviously don’t understand that. McNabb has only responded to Eagles players while J(e)T(s) responded to media.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 22, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Technically,
His former employer is the ownership of the Miami Dolphins (Majority Owner: Stephen Ross) and he has had not one ill word for any of them. He didn’t run down the franchise or its personnel. IF we apply your perspective to the actual context here, it would be saying that JT can never again mention the Miami Dolphins organization in any way if he is a true professional. If he said in an interview that he felt the Dolphins personnel was better than that of the JEST would that be unprofessional in your eyes? If he can cite legitimate reasons for the statement (and does so this would be necessary) then he isn’t being unprofessional. If he says these guys are just better (for no reason except that he prefers one side) then that is unprofessional. The man expressed a fact and did so in a classy manner that didn’t run down either organization. He never said the Jets approach was better nor did he say Miami’s was worse. Even though such woud have been an opinion (to which he is entitled to have) it would have been unprofessional of him. He signed with the JETs. HATE HIM FOR THAT!! I’m pretty sure all of us here do.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He directly compared the two hated rivals by putting us in a begative light by suggesting that they don't work you as hard in NY. That's a threat if you consider that he likely was privy to borderline OTA contact last year
Like I’ve said try not to assume what I’m thinking because I’m considering a lot more than you’d think.
When he makes that comment I’m thinking about the memories he has from last year and the contact issue that becomes a problem each year around this time. I’m thinking about him making a backhanded comment at us that really only him and the team would realize what he’s talking about.
Regardless, my point is guys with integrity and class don’t compare and contract the two situations. They take the high road because they care about the fans. Point blank, his actions and comments suggest he couldn’t care less about us.
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 23, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
And yet, you alone think that way. If it was a backhanded slap do you really believe someone with a shorter fuse (Channing Crowder for example) would have said something.
I’m looking at possibilities as well as you but I’m not gonna rip a guy for a comment that isn’t in itself inflammatory or derogatory and that no one in the know (or at least more in the know than you and I) has given any indication was anything more than what was literally said.
Honestly, how did anything he said show a lack of love FOR THE FANS? The FO and the Coaching staff? Maybe there is a backhanded insult in there. Niether of us could say with any kind of certainty (so I’m not going to propose otherwise), but how is it insulting to us personally or gratifying to the Jets fans? It just isn’t there. There’s nothing more than a comparison being made. No derision beyond “It’s more positive and calm” at JEts camp and well, Duh it’s more positive at Jets camp. The Jets were about 15 minutes from the Super Bowl (Lucky as they were) and we haven’t made it to the divisional round of the playoffs in damn near a decade (going back to last offseason).
Nonetheless look at my sigs and remember who we are talking about. The Jets are the NFL’s version of the Cubs. The Jets fans are some of the most positive people in the world (right up to Week 2 or 3 of the season) every offseason despite having failed for 40 consecutive years to get back to the superbowl and have the fewest AFC championship game appearances of any team in the Division (Buffalo technically has more because of their AFL championships in 1964 and1965 and their AFL championship loss in 1966). The only reason they aren’t the most pathetic team in the AFC East is because God threw em a bone 1969 and that little team out in western NY (you know, the only one of the NY teams that actually plays in NY state, the only one that hasn’t won the Super Bowl).
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 24, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see any problem with what he said. IT'S ALL TRUE!!!
The Jests organization IS a lot more laid back. Rex is more a player’s coach than Sparano. We all know this. The Jet players can say what they want while the Dolphin’s FO try to control every piece of info pertaining to the Dolphins. We all know this so lets not jump on some media fed-get the fans all riled up-bull****
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by woomar on May 20, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed...
this quote is no big deal.
by scrappy the wildcat on May 20, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
REC'D for honest common sense. Hard to find that these days.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I know this is a business.
But I still can’t believe JT signed with the Jets. This comment, to me, isn’t a big deal, the fact the he is a JET, still blows my mind. I still respect what he did in Miami, but I will have always have a hard time with the fact he went to the Jets. That’s just fucked up.
well really what did yo uexpect him to say if he was asked?? no this team really sucks but it was a job. these guys are well coached on what to say to the press. and JT knows that yo udont go into a new team dogging them.
personally i dont care what he has to say. i loved what he did for us and if he finds success over then then good luck to him. …
i myself am a fan of the miami dolphins not single players.
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
And?
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""It only ends once. Everything that comes before is just progress"
Oh and F**k Florio for saying that he wants JT to talk crap about the Fins
2009 NY Phin PhansFantasy League Champion
2009 Best Regular Season Record in NYPPL.
2010 The Jim Mandich NewsFlash Award Winner.
""It only ends once. Everything that comes before is just progress"
He coulda been one of the commentators in the America's Game 2010 Dolphins
Now I guess it’ll be Ricky, Pennington, and Bell
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Long, Tsoumpas, Grove, Incognito, Carey - Starting OL
Rex Ryan has had alot of things go his way
Hes not suited to run a team, hell he said they were out of the playoffs when mathematically they weren’t… he so lucky the Colts and Bengals laid down in those last games of the season that put them in the playoffs. This team has alot of talent but very suspect personality.
if you ask me i say hes luck and in due time he will be exposed
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*lucky
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by Deuce Black on May 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Hes a good to great D coordinator but hes a joke as the leader of the entire team.
I mean what other head coach out there would get it to a war of words with a player from another team in the off-season? He’s a childish A-Hole in a fat mans body!
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by texascowpunk on May 20, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
^^THESE^^
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Rex Ryan is a joke I saw him flip off the crowd at an MMA event and solidify the fact that he is a dumb ass classless fat piece of shit who is dumb enough no to recognize him self as a figurehead of a organization. Sanchez will lead the league in interceptions this year and his defense won’t be able to save him this time.
Don't be a pussy cat, Jason.
You want a winning culture that strives to bring the best out of all their players? Made the wrong choice.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
This comment isn't a big deal
Really, he does have to say SOMETHING sometime. This is pretty tame, it’ll probably get more entertaining though! JT is a fiery player, and when we get ready to play them I’m sure he’ll have more to say…..makes for great drama.
I kinda wanted to see the drama
between Marshall and Porter if we woulda kept him long enough, from 2008 they went back and forth for weeks!
Leading the Kory Sperry bandwaggon!!
I'm sure they would have gotten a long if the production on both sides was 2008ish.
But Joey wouldn’t/couldn’t keep up anyways.
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties.
JT better not expect to get a one day contract so he can retire a phin.
he can pound sand
"If you want to, we can throw all day." - Chad Henne
Please...
This wasn’t a shot at the Dolphins orginization at all. He was just telling it how it is… I would still let him retire a Phin as long as there are no serious comments made about the orginization. He’s done alot for this team and the community in South Florida. He wont be forgotten, for whatever team he’s on.
Leading the Kory Sperry bandwaggon!!
would you
hug your buddy after he banged your wife? Because that is what Taylor is doing to us as fans.
by doberman on May 21, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice Example.
If my buddy banged my wife AFTER we had seperated, I wouldn’t hug him, but I would think twice about grabbing my 12 gauge.
The key point is that the FO had made it clear that he was a fall back option at best here and they had made it known how little they respected him when they didn’t offer him a contract beyond a simple extension of a $1.1 million offer that he had played for last year. How about this example, If you were a drug pusher and you gave some guy the first bag free, would you give him the next bag for free when he asked for it or would you make him pay you for what it was worth?
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 21, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how much he paid my wife and me.. lol
Its not the same thing. A player isnt here for his fans. He is here for the love of the game and/or a pay check. Yes fans are good, but if Im JT I think of my family and what I want to do.. which I imagine is play football. Retire while I still have the urge to play or move on to another team becase the Phins didnt show much interest.. I move on no matter what team it is.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
Jason Taylor has plenty of cash
The guy is a multi millionaire. He went to the jets because he was pissed a parcells over the dancing with the stars and for not kissing his ass and paying him the big bucks. He is a traitor and that is the bottom line. And now he is talking shit to try and rile fans because those comments are intended to spite the team and the fans probably aimed at bill parcells who could give a rats ass what JT says. Now he is a member of gang gay he can lose right along with rex ryans sorry fat ass.
by doberman on May 21, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ouch what?
Miami is toughening up the gridiron soldiers of the future. They aren’t catering to the elite of the past.
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties.
Nothing in this world would be better than...
To beat the Jest twice this year and go to the playoffs while the Jest stay home, and JT is forced to watch us tear up teams in the playoffs.
Gieco Needs A New Slogan...So Easy A Jets Fan Can Do It LOL
by EverybodyLovesDolphins on May 21, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions
Has anyone noticed what a prima donna JT has been...
… since “The Trfecta” has been on-board? Me thinks they have brought out his true colors.
Can’t get along — dancing with the stars / can’t get along — traded to the Redskins / can’t get along — joins the most hated rival team in the division.
Me sees a pattern here……
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by Alpha6 on May 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
F Jason Taylor
As far as I am concerned he is DEAD to me.
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by madcitydave on May 21, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dolphin fan since 1971 and you are really bothered by this?
I dont believe either one.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please? .
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
Be a man like Dan and retire as a Dolphin
It makes me sick that he is on the JESTS! He was one of my most fav Phins of all time. He will make plenty of cash in the public sector plus I’m sure he has a boatload in the bank. He will be dead to me until he either retires or leaves the NYJ.
Miami Dolphin fan since 1971. Ricky Williams for starting RB! 2010 a SEASON to Remember. Brandon Marshall will pick a number! Trust the TRIUMVERATE!!
Sweet I can log in from work now lol
As for JT he is not a Dolphin anymore I could care less about what he says or thinks one of our All-Time Greats no doubt but the only ones that matter are the ones who are now and still wearing the aqua and orange
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Mandy is rubbing off
To many people with Armando’s JT man crush. He was passed the sticky note he choose not to sign. Good ridens. ( I can’t even read the Herald anymore because of Mandy the pot stirring JT lover
by K-man13 on May 21, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sticky note offers are becoming the norm during the recession....
How about your boss gives you your next raise in a sticky note? And then you try to counter the offer only so he detracts the offer….
These guys have agents for a reason.
Special Agents.... they remind me of butlers and limo drivers who fall all over themselves to please their client...
I agree with K-man. All on counts. Armando is a Massengil bottle and JT is so full of himself, he thinks he’s the pretty one in his family….
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by Alpha6 on May 21, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cmon, people are mad he didnt sign the sticky note offer.
Why have an agent?
Why have a Lawyer?
JT’s job is to play football he pays good money to make sure he doesnt have to worry about anything else only a dumbass would negotiate his own deal.
A man who is own lawyer has a fool for a client. Same for athlete who negotiates his own contract.
What now, whens training camp?
There are Smith guys and Vontae guys, I got V.D.
Ginn will be awesome now, good luck JT.
It's relaxin at Jets camp...
One of these is JT………
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the one on the right is either him or Gholston
Sanchez on the left since he’s sniffing the butt
The Front Office continues to prove we should trust them
Stephen Ross continues to prove we should appreciate him
What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on May 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Relaxed team environment=losing culture.
The Jet cycle will continue to roll on:
1. We are the next big thing.
2. We should be good. why are we only 8-8?
3. We suck and it must be the quarterback’s fault (even though we loved him, 2 years ago)
4. We are starting over by firing the coach and drafting the next “should be great” quarterback.
5. We hired a great coach and we will be the next big thing.
Welcome to NY Jason. Lucky for you you only have a year or two left and you will be able to exit before having to ride the complete cycle like poor Pennington did! I can admit that the last 10 years have been hard for Miami, but at least we accept it and try to build up. NY acts like they are only a couple of players away every year. They made some great moves this year…Have fun working for people who think LT was a step up from Thomas Jones!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Also, I am a huge fan of Adrian Zmed! Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock!
Amen. Dumbass Jets
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on May 23, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Jason Taylor
Who gives a damn if Jason Taylor thinks things are “easier” with the Jet’s. I’m so tired of hearing these pampered, overpaid athletes complain. Let these guys go out in the real world and see what it’s like! They have absolutely never had it hard as adults, most of them have become multi-millionaires by the time they’re 23 or 24 years old, and we’ve got to hear Jason trash the Phins by saying how “relaxed” things are in NY, PLEASE, it’s getting nausiating! These guys should have to work hard, they should feel pressure to produce, just like everyone else in the real world does. Jason Taylor makes much more in one year than most of us make in an entire lifetime, so if he’s trying to garner sympathy by saying the Dolphin’s work environment wasn’t always “comfortable” go cry me a river and man-up Jason!
by Biggest Dolphin Fan on May 23, 2010 3:58 AM EDT reply actions
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