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Dolphins Wednesday OTA Roundup

The big news on Wednesday to come out of the Dolphins first organized team activity that was open to the media was Brandon Marshall's injury. But believe it or not, there are other things to talk about.

Allow me to highlight some of those things below, in the popular bullet format:

  • Joe Berger was working with the first team at center while Jake Grove worked with the second team. This isn't all too different from how the season ended. But at that time, Grove was nursing an ankle injury. He basically missed most of or all of six games in 2009 on the heels of signing a 5 year, $29.5 million deal. And with the news that the Dolphins are bringing in former Cowboy and Bronco offensive lineman Cory Procter, some think that the Dolphins might be looking to dump Grove's hefty contract. Proctor's primary position is center, too. But Tony Sparano said that Grove worked with the first team on Tuesday at their first OTA practice and that Grove and Berger would likely battle it out for the starting job right through training camp. Considering the Dolphins averaged over 40 more rushing yards per game with Grove in the lineup, I'm not believing the hype that the Dolphins want to cut Grove. But I do think he'll have to really work hard to earn back his starting job. I expect him to do just that.
  • Richie Incognito lined up as the starting right guard while Donald Thomas took Justin Smiley's old spot over at left guard. Rookie John Jerry, meanwhile, worked as the second team left guard. Nate Garner, who this regime likes a lot, was not at the OTA. He, instead, was inside receiving treatment. It's believed he underwent some kind of offseason "procedure" as well. It'll be interesting to see where Garner lines up once he is ready to go. My guess is that he'll compete with Incognito at right guard.

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  • Ronnie Brown was back on the field despite recovering from his Lis Franc fracture. He was reportedly in "good spirits." There was an AP report, though, that said Brown was limping noticeably. Still, the fact that he was out there is a good sign. He even took a snap out of the Wildcat. Ronnie said he expects to be fully ready for the season opener in Buffalo. But will he be cleared medically when camp begins in late July or early August?
  • The other guy recovering from a similar injury is Channing Crowder. And Crowder was riding the bike on Wednesday while Tim Dobbins worked inside next to new starting linebacker Karlos Dansby. It's hard not to wonder what might happen if Dobbbins performs well while Channing continues to rehab. We spoke a couple weeks back about Dobbins potentially unseating Crowder as a starter. Could that be a reality?
  • Tony Sparano praised Cameron Wake after practice on Wednesday, saying he's improved a lot. Yet Wake was working as the second team weak side outside linebacker while Charlie Anderson worked as the starter. Quentin Moses worked as the starter on the strong side with rookie Koa Misi backing him up. Allow me to repeat this nonsense: Quentin Moses and Charlie Anderson are currently working as the first team starting OLBs. Good thing it's only May, huh? Let me just say that if Wake doesn't overtake Moses by camp, I'm not going to be a happy guy. Was there seriously no room for Jason Taylor on this roster? Really?
  • Reports indicated that Ryan Baker bulked up this offseason and could battle with Paul Soliai for the backup nose tackle job behind Randy Starks. But it's near impossible to tell anything about the linemen until the pads go on and practice is full contact. But it's worth monitoring, that's for sure. Speaking of nose tackles, Jason Ferguson (suspended for the first eight games) said he took a banned blood pressure medication, causing the positive drug test. At least it's not as bad as a steroid. But still, he needs to know better. And he'll have plenty of time to think about what he did once the regular season comes around.
  • Chris Clemons worked as the starter at free safety while rookie Reshad Jones worked as the second team FS. Tyrone Culver practiced exclusively as the backup to Yeremiah Bell at strong safety. But Sparano said this was mainly because he knows what Culver can do and needs to see more reps for Clemons and Jones at free safety.
  • Like Marshall, Patrick Turner will be out until training camp after undergoing some kind of "procedure" this offseason as well. This really hurts him, though. Turner is on the roster bubble and really could have used all the work he could get. Now he'll miss out on valuable reps.
  • First round pick Jared Odrick worked with the second team defensive line. The starters up front were Kendall Langford, Randy Starks, and Phillip Merling. Now how long will Merling be able to hold off the rookie?
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    Cameron Wake

    had areas in need of improvement. He has great focus and seemed to work hard last season, but no sense allowing him to get complacent. He needs to continue improving, because they know he’ll earn the starting WOLB spot. They just don’t want him going out there without showing marked improvement in coverage and run stopping, and they know that forcing him to earn that and compete for it will keep his focus strong all off-season.

    I don’t buy him not starting for a second.

    Charlie Anderson, maybe. I wouldn’t be too happy either, but maybe. Misi will eventually take over, though, even if that happens.

    I have to wonder if they’d be willing to spot Dansby at SOLB until Misi shows he’s ready to take over. Dobbins and Crowder could man the inside. Effectively? Questionable. But the new scheme and Dansby’s versatility tells me not to worry about this situation. It isn’t one yet, and calling for heads over Jason Taylor’s departure based off glorified practices in may is premature, as you know.

    Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

    by Dave.Phuller on May 20, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

    Whoops.

    That’s May. Not may.

    Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

    by Dave.Phuller on May 20, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Wake is a Beast

    Wake & Misi 2nd teamers that will earn their spots. Perfect and both will

    by K-man13 on May 20, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

    I love the flexibilty and depth of this roster

    All we need is one more piece. OJ Atogwe.

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    by madcitydave on May 20, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

    dear santa

    OJ would be sick….

    my favourite 2 FS right now are Bethea and Atogwe. I really do think thath Atogwe is sick of losing and would give it all to play for a winning team.

    by Crowder 911 on May 20, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Moses > Anderson

    "My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
    Long, Tsoumpas, Grove, Incognito, Carey - Starting OL

    by dolfan0918 on May 20, 2010 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

    No time for players to be thinking "I was the starter" this camp....

    Not worried to see draftees playing second team. I see most of them starting or getting plenty of playing time. Like RJ at Safety and Oderick and Misi…. even AJ Edds.

    O-line has talent and depth for a change. As good as last year’s O-line was, it will be even better this year. Long, Grove, Nito and Carey will be there. Left Guard is the only question. But Jerry and Nate will be there for sure.

    I am laughing real hard at Clam Crowder right now. If he doesn’t make it, he’ll never see the field…. cause he aint gettin out there on passing downs… lol

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    by Alpha6 on May 20, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

    you can say that again.

    "you owe it to yourself to be the best in baseball and in life" Pete rose.
    F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!

    by dolger14 on May 20, 2010 1:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    nice post matty...

    I would rec but can’t on my phone.

    "you owe it to yourself to be the best in baseball and in life" Pete rose.
    F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!

    by dolger14 on May 20, 2010 1:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

    thanks you two!!1!11!!

    "you owe it to yourself to be the best in baseball and in life" Pete rose.
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    by dolger14 on May 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I'm a firm believer in what Matty said a while back

    “If Charlie Anderson is your starter, your in trouble.” Or something along those lines. And to be honest, (if Misi isn’t ready to start) I would rather see Moses on the field. He looks like he has more upside to me.

    by inishe8 on May 20, 2010 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

    I'm not sure what to think of all this.

    Because this was the first media-friendly OTA, and reports of who started where and who was relegated to the second string are flooding in from just about every newspaper outlet, I feel as if everything is going to be overblown. This is only day two of the entire team being together. The coaches want to see how different units work together and how players respond to different roles. Bottom line: Come September, I don’t think many of us are going to remember that Moses and Anderson were starting outside linebackers on May 19th.

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    by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on May 20, 2010 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

    i think the coaches already have a good grasp on who is going to be where. i tend to agree with bicycle. this being the first one that everyone can see. they play it safe and put guys here and there to keep everyone guessing still.

    i dont really buy that anyone’s spot is safe. i like that caoch Tony dont ego stroke these guys. { you want the spot, you earn it every year }

    common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

    by animal2020 on May 20, 2010 2:34 AM EDT reply actions  

    Wake and Misi should be working with the 1st team.

    but hopefully that will change by training camp.

    Jason Ferg. suspended for 8 games for some blood medication.

    Brain Cushing: suspended for 4 games for a steriod, and gets a trophy.

    idk if that makes sense

    by phinfan20 on May 20, 2010 2:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

    idc.

    blood medication, or steriods.

    i dont think blood medication makes u bigger, faster, and stronger. and still, i cant believe the AP let Cushing keep his award.

    by phinfan20 on May 20, 2010 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    well if want to get technical...

    Cushing tested positive for a POST cycle drug HCG. which essentially stimulates the testicles into working again after they have been inactive during a cycle. So….. if your going to judge suspensions on what they actually got busted for. I hardly think Cushings is a “performance enhancing drug”.

    by Anothertidbit on May 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Actually...

    blood medications can significantly improve athletic performance. Ask the pro cyclists.

    by urbino on May 21, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Actually NO! Your speaking of blood doping (aka blood loading) not use off blood pressure meds.

    The two are not even close to being the same things. Blood doping in a transference of additional red blood cells to the athlete.

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    by texascowpunk on May 22, 2010 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

    EPO is a blood medication,...

    not a transfusion/transference technique. Now, it’s not a blood pressure medication, but phinfan20 was talking about all blood medications, not just blood pressure.

    by urbino on May 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    But he was specifically speaking of cyclist where the issue is with blood doping.

    Blood doping is not a medication.

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    by texascowpunk on May 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Huh?

    He didn’t mention cyclists at all. I did. And both doping and EPO have been issues on the pro tour, as a quick google of “cycling epo” will demonstrate.

    I’m not quite sure why this has turned into an argument, tcp. I was just pointing out that blood medications can improve athletic performance. It doesn’t sound like Ferguson’s med was one of those (other than maybe via diuretic weight loss, if he was over his contract maximum), but they do exist and have been used by athletes.

    by urbino on May 22, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I personally would love to see

    Our offensive line be Jake Long(LT), Donald Thomas(LG), Jake Grove©, Richie Incognito(RG), and John Jerry(RT). I have seen Carey get beat too many times. Its not that he is weak, it is just that he tends to take plays off and not even make contact with his guy on some plays. Those usually end in a really bad play. You just can’t have that on the offensive line…. I also think they didn’t resign him until after they had no other real options out there and resigned him because there was no one else better.

    when does the season start.....

    by Jason Scott_90 on May 20, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

    Wasn't there a fanpost

    detailing PFF statistics showing that Carey is one of the top RT in the league?

    Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

    by Dave.Phuller on May 20, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

    yeah, I think OPhinions did one, and someone else did too...

    Bold Pat White Prediction: 500 Yds Rushing, 300 Yds Passing, 3 Touchdowns
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    by Heater OsE on May 20, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

    >>> dont read too much into this

    thats soooooo TUNA-/SPARANO-ISH

    putting the player who is expected to be first string, into the second unit
    and giving the second guy a chance to prove he belongs into the first

    Groves, will be starter bust must prove = will improve
    Merling, is pushed and given a final chance to start
    Odrick, is figuring out that he has to earn it and will work even harder and push Merling
    = both will get better

    OLINE will be:
    Long-Garner/Jerry rotation-Groves-Icognito-Carey
    thomas will back up incognito

    the only 2 situations i dont like are
    - Crowder
    - Turner

    i really thought that Turner will make some splashes and progress by being mentored and watching Marshall, a player with similar frame.

    that being said…Marshall isnt running around. I dont think Turner is in jeopardy because Sparano admitted that he did a poor job not getting him into game.
    All the reports last season – Turner catches everything thrown his way.

    if you wanna feel reeeeeaaalll good about our team…. compare the rosters of 2007 with the one of 2010….CRAAAAAZZZYYY

    by Crowder 911 on May 20, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

    well said...

    After watching Sparano’s press conference (I said this in another post) you can see he feels good about his 80 right now. Getting it down to the 53 will be tough. Swapping 2nd string and starters creates more reps for these guys, but if they are performing well, it must put some serious pressure on the 1st team guys. I don’t think it’s a problem at all, because if Sparano gets fired up watching his linebacker corp hit the field, I can’t help to be excited even if Spitler, Dobbins, Dansby, and Edds are our Starters Game 1. Regardless, the people backing them up will be right there with them.

    Bold Pat White Prediction: 500 Yds Rushing, 300 Yds Passing, 3 Touchdowns
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    by Heater OsE on May 20, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Why are we talking about who was starting and who was backing up, LOL

    this is the first OTA, its not even a mini camp, they are just starting installs, don’t read ANYTHING into who is starting and who is 2nd team.

    Moses was the starting WOLB and Anderson at SOLB, Misi backed up Moses and Wake backed up Anderson, they are ALL just being flip flopped, Moses is a SOLB, Misi is getting a shot there too, Wake and Anderson are WOLBs, Sparano mentioned how he wants to see Wake and Anderson getting good pressure from the WOLB spot.

    Don’t read anything into this stuff.

    by uncle finster on May 20, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

    Go blah blah blah about real facts at ESPN...

    we speculate here… :P

    Bold Pat White Prediction: 500 Yds Rushing, 300 Yds Passing, 3 Touchdowns
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    by Heater OsE on May 20, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

    rofl.

    Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

    by Dave.Phuller on May 20, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

    LOL... who's reading? I'm not reading... LOL

    I’m just here for the pictures…. nice pic of Nito btw.

    Besides, I have no doubt Coca Koa Misi will be the eventual started…. heh heh heh

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    by Alpha6 on May 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

    LOL!!

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    by Alpha6 on May 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    well played beav...

    Bold Pat White Prediction: 500 Yds Rushing, 300 Yds Passing, 3 Touchdowns
    Driver of the "DRAFT RAS-I DOWLING IN 2011" bandwagon!!!

    by Heater OsE on May 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm wondering why nobody is giving Donald Thomas any credit

    to win the starting spot at LG. He was a little disappointing last season considering the hype he had in 2008, sure, but he is the strongest guy on the roster which means you can’t count him out.

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    by joel311 on May 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

    Wait. I thought Nito was strongest.....

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    by Alpha6 on May 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

    ¿i thought long was?

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    by dolger14 on May 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    No Long is the one with a six pack. INSANE!!!!!!!

    Can you feel that? Ah...$***! I am the push that makes you move!
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    by PotM on May 20, 2010 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    yea but Thomas and Nito bench like 500 pounds

    so between them two and long thats a strong o line

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    by Deuce Black on May 20, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    second string/first string........

    Surely its a good thing to split your offence and defenceand have your 1st team offence against your first team defence and ditto second team players (back ups) That way you get to see what Misi and Wake can do against Long and Carey and not Gardner and whoever, to get a better perspective of where they are at………..

    by Christopher Weetman on May 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

    i really wish Turner would step up this season.

    it could really benefit Henne having 2, 6’4 WR’s out there. cause i think most CB’s are 5’10-6’1, somewhere in that range. then If its 1 on 1 coverage, Henne can just throw a jumpball and let Marshall and Turner go get it

    by phinfan20 on May 20, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

    bye Turner

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    by Patssuck456 on May 20, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

    bye Tedd Ginn

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    by Alpha6 on May 24, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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