The Roster Bubble: Quarterback and running back

He was ok but its not like if he were to become the starter I’d be all excited. I’d like to see Pat White battle through this offseason and show all these “doubters” what he can do. Either way, its a great battle for the offseason; may the best man win.

If you want to win divisions, playoff games and super bowls you QB needs to start every game. The only exception was in 1972. I suppose you could consider Henne/Penny and Griese/Morrall in the same ilk. Pat White will be the #3 and hopefully they can trade Thiggy for a 5th or 6th rounder. As for RB’s it R & R with a little Lou and Cobbs thrown in the mix. Sheets and Hilliard probably won’t be around if Ronnie and Cobbs are 100%.

seems to me that only making half your passes and having double interceptions thens td’s isnt really a good thing. so in my backwater mind it will pat white’s to loose. if he dont step up then he will be shown the door.

as far as RB’s go. yep i think as long as R_R , polite and cobbs are ready those will be the backs. the other two. umm well so sorry. thanks for playing heres a years supply of rice-o-ronie.

The one to Ginn close to the goal line should have been flagged for defensive pass interference. Taylor was all over Ginns back. Now the pass was thrown into double coverage, but the PI should have been called. Now the other INT that Thiggy threw was his fault all the way.

One thing that still stands out in my mind with Thiggy is that kid has an arm. He is not known for a huge arm but watch that pass to Bess for the TD. Thiggy didnt even get to put any power into the throw other then his arm. He didnt have time to plant and drive the pass with his body or legs it was 100% arm on that throw and it lookes awesome! IMO thiggy has 100% more upside then Pat White does. Thigpen has the feet and a good arm and from what I can tell a hella fast release, something we all can agree with right? His release is 2 times as fast as Henne’s release let alone Whites. I have missed the fast release Marino had and Thiggy looks to have it, although his motion is completely different then Marinos but thats ok I guess.

I see nothing in Pat White and the ONLY reason I see the team keeping him over Thigpen is that Thigpen will fetch a higher price if they trade him. I do not see any teams giving away anything more then yesterdays paper and maybe a jelly doughnut for Pat White. So this means most likely White will stay and Thiggy will be gone eventually. sad face

Think of this though, just think if this was to happen…. Henne goes down with anything more then a single game injury and we put in CP10 and he goes down with another shoulder injury.. who would you want starting for the Phins if this happened? Pat White or Tyler Thigpen? Anyone who has seen the both play in the NFL knows White will not do a thing for us outside of the occasional trick play. he is not an NFL QB and most likely will never be either. He just does not have “it”

Give him a break. If anyone knows anything about professional football it takes a little adjustment . White is a winner as he showed in his college career at West Virginia . Does that translate to the pros? Time will tell.
He deserves that chance.
Henne, Penny, and White.

That it isn’t the same result either for White’s sake. And of course Thigpen was the better of the two last year.
Not many rookies come into the league and are up to speed. With an off season hopefully he is caught up.
And if worrying who is our third string QB is
I’ll take it.

Pat white threw 5 passes last year and completed none he averaged 3.9 yards per carry and stopped the teams momentum every time he came in the game. He was drafted in the second round to run the wildpat. The wildpat was a failure. Henne is now the starter with most of a season under his belt. Pat White should not see the field again as a QB unless the 2 chads both go down if it comes to that I would rather have Thigpen come off the bench White has showed nothing that makes me think he will do well. Ryan leaf was a winner in college did nothing in the NFL pat White is a second round pick and should be able to produce but he can’t or hasn’t. He will get to go through training camp but if he doesn’t show a marked improvement then the axe must fall. Don’t need to keep around a guy who buy his position on the depth chart alone you hope never plays a down but if you do need him to play must play at a high level if he can’t do the job

A clipboard all season long. We put him in situations to confuse the defense but he turned out to be the more confused one .
But that is usually the case with rookie QB’s,
the exceptions being Ryan and Flacco.
I agree he needs to show us something desirable out there, but a learning curve needs to be given. If we need to suck up a loss of a high round draft pick then we will. In the appropiate timing. And if you want to label him Ryan Leaf go ahead.
Look up Favre’s rookie year.
Not saying he is Favre , just saying give him a fair shot. If he is not up to NFL standards then we’ll have to suck it up. But there is yet enough evidence no matter how many fans are on a Whitehunt.

Just don’t get why we didn’t see this, the guy is a very good athlete. His TD to Int ratio in his starts in KC was very impressive. He is better then White, plain and simple.

Does the FO admit its mistake though? i don’t think so sadly, so they may try to find a trade for Tyler. If it was up to me, i would keep him.

Btw, didn’t TS say that Pennington is 3rd in pecking order today? so who is second? anyone know?

On the RBs, no doubt that unless Sheets does something amazing, Lex should beat him and deserves to. He has done very well in the few touches he has had.

That the very first game of the season, against Atlanta, that Pat White overthrew a wide open Ted Ginn Jr. downfield by 5 yards.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/4/20/1433200/ted-ginn-the-wide-receiver

Picture provided by the folks at niners nation.

Pat White can play, he can throw, he can run, he can make reads, but he does need time. If Pat White had a little more touch, or Ted Ginn just ran a little faster, we’d be singing a different tune: an amazing bomb for a TD by a rookie QB who plays seldom.

He still has some time left on his contract to learn the playbook enough to be that number 2 guy once Pennington leaves.

Too early to give up on White.

If anyone, it’s Pennington. Great trade bait.

And phinsider nation, I’m lucky to get on this computer. It will not let me log in most of the time, so i have to run safe mod. I won’t be on much untill I get this fixed.

He is a career backup at this point… White on the other hand has the possibility of developing into what they drafted him to be…. Put CP10 on the PUP until week 6 and try to find a team that needs an emergency QB… Then trade him for a 4th or 5th round pick….

Timeout #1 by ARZ at 04:55.
1-6-ARI 6 (4:55) 23-R.Brown left tackle to ARZ 5 for 1 yard (24-A.Wilson).
 
2-5-ARI 5 (4:19) 23-R.Brown up the middle to ARZ 3 for 2 yards (54-G.Hayes, 90-D.Dockett).
 
3-3-ARI 3 (3:37) 7-C.Henne pass incomplete short right to 80-A.Fasano [90-D.Dockett]. PENALTY on ARZ-56-C.Okeafor, Defensive Holding, 2 yards, enforced at ARZ 3 – No Play.
 
1-1-ARI 1 (3:31) 23-R.Brown left tackle to ARZ 1 for no gain (21-A.Rolle).
 
2-1-ARI 1 (2:51) 7-C.Henne pass incomplete short right to 23-R.Brown.
 
3-1-ARI 1 (2:46) 7-C.Henne pass incomplete short left to 18-E.Wilford.
 
4-1-ARI 1 (2:42) 23-R.Brown up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

So i think cobbs is done here in miami.
lex proved he can thrive as the 3rd down back. He can catch out of the backfield as good if not better than Cobbs. Hes better at running between the tackles. He has more potential and hes young. The only way i see cobbs making the roster is if NOONE else can kick return.

Having a target like that should really insulate White along with most other intelligent QBs we throw out there with BM. Think about what BM made Orton look like and think about the serious drop off Cutler suffered without BM to catch his passes.

When I watch BM highlights I see the kind of impact Plax had on the Giants offense. It’s seems like it’s kind of hard to miss BM as long as you don’t under throw it.

I rather have tiggy for backup, hands down. You say white contriibutes to the wildcat, well tiggy is a bigger build and is mobile outside the pocket. As I see it, he’s a bigger, stronger version of white.

I understand White was drafted a bit early, and thats not his fault. But it doesnt matter wether he was drafted in the first round or last, he was gonna play exactly the same regardless. I dont like the idea of having a QB for backup I dont trust. Everytime he went on field, i got scared. He looked likes he was gonna get murdered out there.

And if white happens to pull it together and play to his full potential, then ill gladly eat my words. But until then, tiggy is the better of the two. Plain and simple.

Keep White and Hilliard!

before the beginning of the season. CP for a 2nd, White/Thigpen for a 3rd/4th to a team that has one of their QBs go down to injury. Hilliard for a 3rd, if Sheets shines during the preseason

Listen, Pat White was a talented COLLEGE player – and probably deserves to be given more time – but did he really show ANYTHING that leads one to believe he can be a PRO QB ? Not really. The NFL is littered with “too small” guys that failed to make it as a QB…WHY IN THIS CASE, DID THE FO GO AGAINST THEIR “SIZE” REQUIREMENTS ???
… I wish he could be a PRO QB, but it’s not going to happen. Best he will ever be is a “change up” at QB… and Why should we take ANY reps away from Chad Henne ? He is the new fae of the franchise !!! Thigpen is a MUCH better QB already and a decent backup. You have to also consider that Pennington could get traded if a team becomes needy at the last minute. This would be a bad decision because PENNY gives you the chance to win each week right now – if he started. Adding a better DEF, and Marshall on offense and CP 10 can win games for you now…. Pat White – I doubt it…
the FO should look to boost his value thru the preseason and try and trade him quickly – before this waste – becomes another Ted Ginn (high first turned into a 5th) We will be lucky even now – to get much for an undersized inaccurate QB – who is too small to be a WR either. Sad because White seems like a good guy – but this is the NFL – nothing you did in college – gives you the “right” or ability to play in the greatest league ever… YOU EARN IT – or go home…

White scares me too… every time he went on the field I held my breath…. fearing a TO or busted play would derail a drive we had in progress… also – I like Cobbs but we really need some SPEED in the backfield … real “quickness” and SPEED … Sheets is the best option for this on the roster right now… Lex should make the team – but he dosent have the Speed we need at RB

I think it would be a mistake to trade Tyler Thigpen. I think he is a legitimate NFL QB and a quality backup QB. I would even have him hold for kicks. (Parcells actually prefers having his backup QB hold for kickers).
A QB depth chart of Henne/Thigpen/Pennington is AWESOME, especially for BOTH Henne and Thigpen

Which QB had better NFL stats in their second year?
A: 420 – 230 (54.8%) 2608 18 TDs 12 Ints QB Rat 76.0
B: 451 – 274 (60.8%) 2878 12 TDs 14 Ints QB Rat 75.2

ANSWER Tyler Thigpen is A and Chad Henne is B

I am NOT saying that Thigpen is better than Henne, but I am making a point that people are severely underrating Thigpen’s value.

The Fins carried 5 RB/FB last year: Brown/Williams/Polite/Cobbs/Hilliard.
That was a very wise strategy.
I think they should do something similar IF they want to keep Pat White on the roster. Personally, I like Kory Sheets better than White, but if the Front Office thinks that Pat White can eventually develop into a Michael Vick type player (without the dog fighting and inconsistent accuracy), then he would be more valuable to the team than a Kory Sheets.

RB roster (to keep Pat White): Brown/Williams/Polite/Hilliard/Pat White
Pat White has 6 weeks to win a spot on the roster and to keep his dream of being an NFL QB alive by earning a roster spot as a Reggie-Bush-like 3rd-down-back and by either outshining Ryan Grice-Mullen and Kory Sheets on kickoff returns and punt returns, or by outshining defensive backups on kick coverage units. IF Pat White is willing to risk life/limb to earn a spot with good special teams contributions, he COULD have an immediate impact as a 3rd-Down-Back with the ability to throw and buy time to develop into a non-traditional NFL QB.
What Pat White does well as a 3rd-Down-Back:
he has shown the ability to block fiercely (some footage as a QB throwing a block)
he can make people miss (draw play, pick up the first down)
IF he can catch, he could take a screen pass and burn a blitz for big yardage.
Take a draw handoff or catch a backward lateral, keep the play alive, and heave it downfield for a big pass play.
Get open and catch a first down.
The EASIEST place for a running QB to convert to would be as a scat-back running back (provided he can learn to catch the ball).

IF the Front Office wants Pat White to develop as a QB only, then obviously my idea won’t work, but then if they Front Office does this, they are making a BIG mistake in the event of an injury to Henne and they are wasting a valuable roster spot.
IF Pat White has thrown in the towel on his NFL career and just wants to play baseball, this idea won’t work, but then the Front Office just swung and missed on the 2nd round pick from the JT trade.

When CP10 went down this FO had the option of going forward with Henne and White as the backup QB. the FO went out ASAP and grabbed Thigpen. There was a good reason for this. They knew that White was far far from being ready to run an NFL offense. Yes they put him in in that last game when Henne came out but I think that was just to see if he COULD run the offense for a few drives and he ended up being carted off the field.

Thigpen was put in and boom TD in a few plays. I know he then threw a bad pass to Ginn into double coverage but the refs also missed the PI from Taylor on that play. The 2nd INT was all Thiggys fault though. But Tgiggy moved the offense and played well for the most part. MUCH better then White.

Thigpen > White every and any day, unless White improves a hundred fold.

we will have to let some quality people go(not a bad thing) to get down to 53, but hopefully we can trade them prior to cutting them from the team.

Dump Pat White. It’s obvious that the guy will never be an NFL QB – so unless he wants to make the change to another position (RB, WR, water boy), he should be one of the players cut to get Miami down to 53. With Thigpen and CP10 – you have 2 quality backups on the roster, in case, God forbid, something happens to Henne. We all saw what happened in week 17 with White got behind center.

In other news, the Broncos just lost another OL – maybe they’d like to take a swing on Smiley now?

If Henne goes down for any length of time the season is effectively over.

The dubious selection in the 09 draft by our FO. It was a luxury pick back then and looks even worse a year later. It didn’t fill a need at the time and certainly doesn’t now either. IMO, in any kind of semi-rationale QB depth chart, he’s bottom man on the totem pole…by a ways.

Both Pennington & Thigpen have some legimiate value as possible trade commodities. So chances are if one is moved, then that would allow for white to stay on as a #3 QB. If he wasn’t a 2nd rounder though, he’d probably be gone already.

In the grand scheme of important things though, thankfully Pat White ranks very low. With Brandon Marshall aboard, Chad Henne in year 2 as a starter, Ronnie & Ricky healthy, and a solid OL….those are the elements that’ll decide how far we go, and not the 4th string QB.

QB:
Henne
Thigpen
CP10

RB:
Ronnie
Ricky
Cobbs
Hilliard
Sheets

WR:
Beast
Hartline
Bess
Camarillo
RGM
Pat White

On an absolutly horrible KC team look at his 2008-09 season numbers

18-12 TD/INT ratio – realize this team had probably one of the worst Offensive Lines in the NFL that year – this tells me the guy is smart with the football.

Sure the 2608 passing yards and 186.3/pass yd per game look pedestrian – but consider this was being thrown to the wolves in his second season at the time on an offense with little talent.

PLUS – 62 rush attemps for 386 yards and 3 rushing TD’s. This guy can run the football

I contend that Thigpen was an absolute STEAL for a 5th Rd pick and further I contend that he would be a better Wilcat option than White because he has shown he can throw and run the football. Behind MIami’s solid OL and once he knows the offense I think its time for Pat White to learn to return punts and catch the football.

what was the Depth Chart at QB before the Trifecta?

WVU alum here; wondering the same thing as Matty – how did Pat White suddenly forget how to complete a pass? His accuracy and arm strength are well-displayed in these highlights from his last game as a Mountaineer, including the “thread the needle” game winning TD pass he threw to Alric Arnett. Hopefully he can regain that form for the Dolphins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_kWMQ70YQ8&feature=fvw

Pat was at West Virginia’s spring game and in an interview talked about how he was working to add about 20 pounds of muscle between now and summer training camp. That comment plus his running ability and the four QBs on the roster make me wonder if the Dolphins see Pat as their version of the Jets’ Brad Smith. Perhaps he’ll wind up as a “slash,” listed on the roster as something other than a QB to get around the NFL’s third quarterback rule. And if this is in fact Ronnie Brown’s last year as a Dolphin, that possibility makes even more sense. An added benefit is that with the NFL’s uniform number rule change, Pat won’t have to change numbers to do this.