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Bill Parcells: Common Misconception Affecting some Perceptions?




There has been a notion associated with Bill Parcells when it comes to Wide Receivers. Throughout his tenure many people believed you couldnt put the word Bill Parcells, first round, and wide receiver in the same sentence. I think theres more to the story

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New York Giants (1983-1990):

Parcells was a first time head coach through his tenure with the Giants, but whats even more important is the fact that he operated under a Hall of Fame GM in George Young.

  George Young [Background Information]

  • Spent 18 years with the New York Giants (1979-1997)
  • 5X NFL Executive of the Year( 1984, 1986, 1990, 1993, 1997)
  • 3 Super Bowl wins ( XXV, XXI, V)
  • 2 NFC Championships (1986, 1990), AFC Championship (1970), NFL Championship (1968)   

That should tell you who called the shots  [Hall of Fame GM > 1st Time Head Coach]

 

New England Patriots (1993-1996)

Parcells and owner Robert Kraft could never get on the same page hence creating  this infamous quote:

"If you're going to cook the meal, they ought to let you shop for the groceries."

I think that should tell you all you need to know

 

New York Jets (1997-1999)

With the Jets Parcells had a Head Coach/GM role

He inherited the 1996 #1 overall pick Keyshawn Johnson who went to 2 Pro Bowls (98',99') and was voted Pro Bowl MVP (98') so needless to say a #1 receiver was already checked off in his Grocery list. No need to use a first round draft pick on one.


Dallas Cowboys (2003-2006)

Head Coach under GM Jerry Jones

Made a trade with the Packers to bring back a certain lady in his life Terry Glenn. Then he trades Joey Galloway to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for who else but Keyshawn Johnson. Once again he has his #1 receiver and then some so no need to use a first round pick on one.

 

Miami Dolphins (2008-Present)

Just like with the Jets and Cowboys Parcells had the luxury of having a #1 like keyshawn follow him around which made this report very believable:

On February 5, 2008, CBS4 Miami reported that Bill Parcells reached out to Johnson. Parcells reportedly told him if he was to come out of retirement there would be a spot on the Miami Dolphins roster for him.

Parcells hasnt literally "called his own shots" until he took over the jets in which the wide receiver position(particularly the #1 role) was already addressed therefore there was no need to use a first round pick on a a wide receiver.

and the fact that they are doing their due diligence on Dez Bryant should tell you they are looking at all possible options come draft day.

Unlike his tenures with the Jets and Cowboys the Dolphins do not have a viable #1 option that will carry a passing attack, and though it may seem as if its not in his history... well his history didnt lack a #1

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So if we go by this reasoning...

WELCOME MILES AUSTIN TO MIAMI. WHOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO

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The original "Can-o-Tuna" circa 1991
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by Farorefox on Apr 4, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

regaurdless of who

a #1 will be coming to Miami WHOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 4, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

More likely Terry Glenn of Keyshawn :)

lol…

Actually neither.

But, I think the common misconception with BP, is that he will ALWAYS draft Defense because he’s a defensive minded coach. I think clearly the most common trait about Bill Parcells is that he drafts to improve his team…no matter what the position is. He’s very good at evaluating talent (actually better after round 3 then before I believe)…. but the fact is. Noone knows what Bill is going to do other than Bill. He’s been around and is smart enough to know that the game changes, and if you don’t change WITH the game…you get left behind.

So, that said. Who knows what he’ll draft.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

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by Fr8Train on Apr 4, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll draft a "Parcells player"

Big, tough, smart, football adict, gym-rat….usually a senior and a guy who’s started at least three years…guy who hates to lose….couldn’t tell you what posistion but that’s whay he looks for.

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by PhrozenPhish on Apr 4, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except for the "big" part.

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by PhrozenPhish on Apr 5, 2010 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

^^THIS

Derrick Morgan OLB(pick 12), Terrence Cody NT (trade a 6th + 7th round pick to jump back ahead of the Chargers from pick 43), Jimmy Graham TE (pick 73), Brandon Spikes ILB (4th rd) Linval Joseph(5th rd), Myron Rolle FS(6a), Danario Alexander WR (6b), Legarrette Blount RB (7a), Chris Scott OG(7b)

by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 5, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jerry Jones will not let him hit FA

And he’ll ask for too much in trade.

I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Apr 5, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't being serious

Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
Winner of the Pats Pulpit "Best Thread-Jacking" Award
The original "Can-o-Tuna" circa 1991
Mike Mayock is dead-on in his evaluation of Earl Thomas. Bank on it.

by Farorefox on Apr 5, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know deep down you wish you were.

I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Apr 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this Deuce

Milles Austin…that would be good….drooool.

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by PhrozenPhish on Apr 4, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

im starting to love this series

great points
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Apr 4, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

great post, great insight

i think ur right, there will be a #1 WR here very soon.

"Bad cops Rico, theres nothing lower"

by sonnycrockett on Apr 4, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Every great general makes his battleplan.

And it changes the moment the fight begins….

R will reply to the comment that has focus

by Tunaflipper on Apr 4, 2010 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

"You must think I'm dumb"

Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
Winner of the Pats Pulpit "Best Thread-Jacking" Award
The original "Can-o-Tuna" circa 1991
Mike Mayock is dead-on in his evaluation of Earl Thomas. Bank on it.

by Farorefox on Apr 4, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah, Napoleon, maybe...

R will reply to the comment that has focus

by Tunaflipper on Apr 4, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn't big either

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by PhrozenPhish on Apr 5, 2010 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL "I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."

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by texascowpunk on Apr 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

He likes to lay low. I am willing to bet that he would have gone his entire

career as a coach without a single presser if the league did not mandate them.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 5, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is as close as you'll get, seeing as he doesn't do press conferences anymore, and no one is allowed in the draft room

Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
Winner of the Pats Pulpit "Best Thread-Jacking" Award
The original "Can-o-Tuna" circa 1991
Mike Mayock is dead-on in his evaluation of Earl Thomas. Bank on it.

by Farorefox on Apr 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do need a true #1 WR

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by Patssuck456 on Apr 4, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

BP is no fool and he knows you need a #1 but there are different types of #1s and thankfully he is more than willing to wait for his type.

TO is a true #1 but he’s a headcase and that makes teams lose their focus and then there’s the Andre Johnson type..we will have a true #1 but it will be in the AJ mold ,the Parcells type, and he and our present corp will make our Passing Offense very very stout and it’s clear as day IMO.

by firedanhenningnow on Apr 5, 2010 7:52 AM EDT reply actions  

What you forgot to mention is what he learned from that HOF GM.

Look at George Young’s draft record. In 19 years as the Giants GM, he only selected two first round WRs (Mark Ingram and Thomas Lewis).

As for not “calling his own shots” until he got to the Jets, with the exception of the Glenn pick and maybe a couple others, he was the GM and most of the selections during those years were his picks (Bruschi, Ted Johnson, McGinest, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Curtis Martin, Dave Wohlabaugh, Bledsoe, and Troy Brown).

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So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Apr 5, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

he had some say with the pats but for the most part

no and yes george young has selected wrs in the 1st round so parcells might do the same

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 5, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Might, might be too strong of a word.

George Young had 17 first round selections in his 19 years, and spent 2 of them on WRs.

Parcells has had 11 first round selections in his 13 years as a GM, and only spent 1 of them on a WR (although it was not him making the pick).

So really Parcells hasn’t taken a single WR, in the first round, with any of the 10 chances he had. You could argue he had TO in Dallas, and Keyshawn with the Jets. But he didn’t have one in NE, and he wasn’t interested in finding one in the first round either. You know who his number 1 receiver was? 8th round draft pick, Troy Brown.

I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Apr 5, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

First of all in George Youngs Tenure with the Giants he already drafted a wr in the first round before Parcells even worked with him and then a few years later with Parcells he drafted another one in Mark Ingram

who turned out to be a good player so he didnt have to keep spending 1st rounders on wrs (btw George Young only spent 18 years with the Giants)
Also when you talk about Parcells Picks go back to my Post. When Parcells didnt call his own shot until he attained a head coach/ GM role with the Jets. AlsoNE didnt give him full control of the picks

And just because he didnt want to draft Terry Glenn doesnt mean he wasnt interested in finding a wr in the first round that means he truly did not want Terry Glenn he wanted to go defense but Robert Kraft insisted

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 5, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Bill Parcells was hired as Head Coach/GM of the NE Patriots.

Kraft may have used his veto power to obtain Glenn, and I’m sure he had a hand in FA as well. But look at the drafts, they have Parcells name all over them, not Kraft’s.

As for George Young, look again….(1979-1997)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Young_%28American_football_executive%29
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/09/sports/george-young-71-former-giants-general-manager-dies.html?pagewanted=1
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/159907-new-york-giants-draft-history-pt-2-the-george-young-years-1979-98

I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Apr 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

1979-1997 = 18 years

Also sure Parcells had some say you can also say the picks with the Giants such as LT had parcells written all over it but it wasnt parcells

the teams he was with all had similar mindsets as him

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

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