Why Jared Odrick? Here's Why.
With the 28th pick in the NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select..
Jared Odrick, Defensive Tackle, Penn State University
I was half asleep when this pick was made, and was definitely put to sleep after it occurred. I would be lying if I said I wasn't mildly (for lack of a better word) disappointed with the pick at first glance. Alas, everybody makes predetermined judgments based off of very limited substance, and this was my doing just that.
After having read all of the comments I knew were coming from the Phinsider Phaithful, I became upset with how quick some people are to judge a pick a "waste." I mean, come on people, it's Thursday night, part 1 of 3. In April for crying out loud! There have been a mere 32 players taken, and this pick was a waste? Jared Odrick, not to mention Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and Tony Sparano, is the reason we have our (even better than before) 2nd round pick back .
So shut up and listen to why you're absolutely wrong if you hate this pick:
- Size: Jason Ferguson and Jay Ratliff, two of Bill Parcells' masterpieces at NT, and those two are 6'3", 310 lbs. and 6'4", 303 lbs. respectively. Sure, Odrick isn't 6'3", 360 lbs. (Kris Jenkins), 6'3", 345 lbs. (Jamal Williams), or 6'4", 354 lbs. (Terrence Cody), but keep in mind, Vince Wilfork is only 6'2", 325 lbs. Odrick is considered a "tall, lanky" defensive tackle with plenty of room for bulk. The guy could put on 15-20 pounds of muscle and fat and become a space-eater quick. Even then, he'd still likely be quick enough to disrupt the run up the middle and get to the quarterback on some plays. Don't just assign this guy to defensive end automatically, but then again, it would be even better if he stayed that way.
- Style: We have a new sheriff in town, and his name is Mike Nolan. We still have "in-the-trenches" guys leading this team, and Nolan brings the versatility of a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. Worst case scenario: we don't draft or sign a traditional space-eating, fat nose tackle, Odrick has the motor and will to play a very similar style nose as a Ferguson or Ratliff. That's the worst case. Best case, we do manage to grab Cody or Joseph or Thomas, etc., and Odrick can complement Starks and Langford to become the most dominant defensive end rotation in the league in the 3-4. Conversely, on 4-3 situations, Odrick and/or Starks could easily play inside while Merling and Langford man the outside.
- Value: Two things stand out at me here. First off, if you're the Miami Dolphins and just had the free agency period of your franchise's history, you can't go and blow all that money to pick a bust in the first round. Jared Odrick is one of the safest defensive linemen not named Suh or McCoy (I have reservations about the latter, but hope they're incorrect; I love the kid's make-up) in this draft. He was mocked to go as high as the top ten at one point, and mocked to the Dolphins at twelve at another. What did we do? Trade back 16 spots, pick up the 40th overall pick (three better than originally, so the Marshall trade becomes cheaper), and add some depth at ILB/ST. And we still managed to land the same player being mocked to us at our original spot, and mocked even higher otherwise. How can you argue that? I'm not going to use the term "reach," because it's barely even a real word to me, but would you rather Miami improve an area that can always use improvement? Especially with the hybrid defense being implemented? Or would you rather take a player not rated as high on the Dolphins' draft board and miss out on some clear value, just because there's a more dire "need" at a few other positions? I quote that because, hey, we're not arranging the defensive gameplan, and we don't directly evaluate these guys on the field and in the locker room. For all we know, we were just getting by last season, and this was actually a position they were looking to upgrade. If that's the case, and I think it was, we just got a steal by adding Odrick and 40 overall.
- History: How did the Jets fare when they lost Kris Jenkins for the season? Their backup nose is about 6'3", 325 lbs. Odrick could hit close to 320 lbs. fairly easily after all is said and done. The bigger point here is, they didn't lose much after having lost Jenkins, because of the strength of their line. If they can send players who can rush the passer, take on some double teams, and win some points of attack, they don't desperately need Jenkins to eat people. Their talent at LB and their secondary helps, but once again, we're not done. The natural development of talent allows us to make this pick, and everything else I've noted above justifies it rather well.
Call me crazy, or disagree with me; either way, they hit with this pick. It wasn't an offensive play-maker, and it wasn't a free safety. It wasn't an outside linebacker on the strong or weak side. I don't think it desperately needed to be in order to be considered a hit. We addressed something of a need that was over-shadowed by other, larger needs. But considering this is just the first of about eight or nine total picks (I lost count) in this draft, including a shiny new second rounder, it's absolutely ludicrous to call for heads or consider this a waste. We've had one pick, people. One.
Also, this pick is a hit because of our staff. Sure, this pick says Parcells et al, but it screams Mike Nolan. On top of a mountain. Look at Denver's personnel: they had the season they had on defense with DJ Williams at ILB and Elvis Dumervil at WOLB. Robert Ayers had an underwhelming season at SOLB, and Mario Haggan isn't a stud by any means. Dansby and Wake at ILB and WOLB respectively looks a lot like Williams and Dumervil (after OTAs, camp, and preseason that is). Crowder's ability to stuff the run and make tackles is not unlike Haggan, and I'm sure we'll use some combination of a rookie and Charlie Anderson at SOLB. That is, unless we trade for Osi. I'm sure Merling could net us a fourth round pick. Package in a 6th or 7th, and hello new starting SOLB. But that's for another day.
Look, my point is that no matter what your thoughts and opinions are on Odrick, they're probably heavily influenced by the fact that you really wanted to see either Cody, Hughes, Williams, or Kindle at that 28 spot by the time our pick was only a few spots away. It's easy to get upset and question a pick when you don't get your way. Sure. But take a step back, look at the big picture; analyze things with a clear mind. What happened when we didn't move on any of the available WRs? We all threw hissy fits. Until, one day, Brandon Marshall magically arrived, even though our front office was so out-dated and making a huge mistake. Hell, we even made such a stink following our acquisitions of Dansby and Incognito much earlier in the offseason. We're just never satisfied, but whether you're generally for or against the guys up top, I see far too many pitchforks taking rise after a "questionable" decision (according to the fan), even when the front office has given us little other than a positive direction with mostly great decisions. Nobody is perfect, nobody will ever be perfect. Cut your losses with misses like Wilson and Wilford, but don't fault them for not trying to improve the team when nobody wanted to play in the black hole known as the Miami Dolphins following the Saban/Cameron messes.
The fact of the matter is, this front office is building the team like no front office many of us have seen before. Call it what you want; they're doing it the proper way, and continue to do so with this pick.
So drop the damn pitchforks, take a damn step back and consider the move before questioning it, and enjoy the rest of the damn draft, because we're only 12.5% finished with drafting new players for our team to become stronger with.
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Well said, yo
Can’t wait to see who we take at No.40.
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Jerry Hughes in 2010!
Dolphins' defense + Mike Nolan = top five in 2010
yeah me neither this second rounder is going to be extremely interesting
I’m more anxious for this pick than i was for the first rounder honestly
I know it sounds stupid but (I thought) i had an idea of who we were going to pick and nothign really surprised me
but now with this second rounder we can see what the FO really plans to get out of Odrick
Leader of the Draft Toby Gerhart in the 3rd or 4th round bandwagon
Excellent write up. Rec'd.
My one thought on it is that we have to remember that every fan here has been burned before… and it usually happens when they are surprised by a pick.
It’s also ok to be disappointed. I was disappointed last year when we drafted Vontae. Not because I didn’t like him, but because the guy I REALLY wanted had fallen to us, Clay Matthews, and we didn’t take him. I love Vontae, but I would still take Clay there. And I think over time I will be proved right. But only by degree, because Vontae will also be excellent.
I have a feeling that is exactly what will happen here. I will love Odrick, but still wish the FO was more open-minded in their “types.” I think it is their biggest weakness.
Got to love how far we’ve come! Gone from being upset because we were setting picks on fire and flushing them down the toilet, to being upset that we got a really good player, just not the really good player we wanted.
Anyway, really great write-up.
in 2006 parcells drafted a safety
Pat Watkins from FSU that was 6’5" 215 lbs. because he admired his size, i wonder if he’ll take a chance on taylor mays? I agree the more i think about it odrick was a good pick.
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by Choose your screen name: on Apr 23, 2010 1:23 AM EDT reply actions
the pick was just out of left field, thats all, it took ppl by surprise
but ur points are spot on.
"Bad cops Rico, theres nothing lower"
Just about what I expected
Parcells drafting a Big-Ten player.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Vladimir Ducasse 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 6.Mike Kafka 6.Joshua Moore 7.Alex Daniels
Odrick fit's Nolan's defensive system. He can play all 3 down and can play multiple positions.
Leader of The Draft Derrick Morgan Express Train.
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1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
Never doubt the Tuna....
this guy is a pass rushing DT,and a run stuffer, not a big fat guy that can take up two people.He played in a big time program, against top talent, and was the big ten Def. player of the year. Dude had 8 sacks last year,for a DT in the NFL that would put you in the probowl. Plus there still alot of talent in the 2nd rd. now that we have a 2nd rder. No one thought we would get Brandon Marshall when the Jets were signing all these washed up vets and everybody was bitchin and moaning about it, just chill out, sit back and watch the Phins get better.
LOVE THIS PICK
initially i was scratching my head but, 6’5 305lbs what’s not to like? We need a Stud whether it be at DE or DT he will provide. Especially all the talk i here about the fat one “rex” coveted him, and we took him!
same here
i went from head scratching, to doing a little research on him and i really like what i see in odrick.
"Bad cops Rico, theres nothing lower"
by sonnycrockett on Apr 23, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
a little research goes a long way. All the haters out there need to stop and be realist, this is a very solid pick.
btw to all you grieving spiller band wagoners, I don’t know how is going to go anywhere with no o-line. Sad, all that talent wasted.
lol not grieving
he got picked before he got to us.. more pissed that Buffalo got him, because I think he’ll be good.. but I’m pretty happy altogether, considering we got a 2nd rounder and another 4th and still added a pretty good player.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well actually we swapped 4ths so we did not add one.
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by texascowpunk on Apr 23, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
not more then me two years in a row i came up with our #1 pick
by wild zion beaver on Apr 23, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
tomarrow reshad jones, chris cook, & legarrette blount
by wild zion beaver on Apr 23, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
at least we got Misi & Jones
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He also seems like
a good smart kid, maybe a leader. We seem to have a positive mix of personalities on our team, some knuckleheads but surounded by positivity.
Solid Write-Up. Highly Rec'd!
btw…i still believe Culver is the answer to FS…jus sayin…lol
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Rec'd, great points
His highlights show the kid can move pretty well. I still can say I would’ve been happier if we had gone a couple other ways, but all in all not a bad pick. Let’s hope it goes well tomorrow, and we really really need a safety!
Earl Thomas will be a superstar.
Well nobody seems too happy with this pick i dont think I am either unless he can turn into a mobile great NT, he doesnt appear to be a reach, 24 to 30 seems to be his position in round 1, I think as Kindle/Hughes where still there people thought that would have been a bigger need.
I hope they get Allen or Burnett or Kindle in that order with the second round.
by A Scottish Dolphin on Apr 23, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions
i agree but....
i kinda liked after Dan Williams left at 26 to Arizona i liked a left-field pick for us per-se. i know Corner isnt considered our biggest need but i cant stand Will Allen’s incompetence and Nate Jones left. Kyle Wilson was still on the board i was actually leaning THAT way. Unfortunatly my logic was also felt by the Jets. And there much more stacked already at corner. So maybe it was faulty logic. lol.
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But you don't draft a nickel corner in the first round
We have two starting corners who should be more improved this season. We can still take a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round and get a good nickel player and return specialist.
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Jared Odrick is a great player
but this was the conservative pick here. He isnt Dan Williams. But hes just different.
For the second rnd FS is still well within reach. Both Morgan Burnett, and Nate Allen or on the board and logical picks.
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We should get Burnett
Good speed and range. Ball hawking skills. His stock dropped because of the ineptitude of GT’s front 7.
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I don't think they drafted him to play NT.
I think they drafted him to play DE. I’m not sure the FO is convinced with the play of Langford and Merling, or if Starks was a one year wonder. While he could bulk up to play NT, he’s a bit tall for the position which would allow usually smaller centers to get underneath him and stand him up.
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So I stopped thinking.
Which I agree with
and the more I evaluate it, the more I believe he is mainly here as a DE in the primary 3-4 defense.
Having said that, I fully believe he’ll bulk up a little bit, and further, I believe we will transition to a hybrid 4-3 on some downs, where Odrick will play on the inside.
I’ve heard Odrick is a mid-first round pick at worst in “any other draft.” Considering we replaced the second we lost for Marshall this year by taking Odrick later in “this draft,” I like this pick even more.
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1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this pick is to help Soliai out until Ferg gets back.
He’ll probably compete with Merling, Starks, and Langford for a starting DE spot. He’s got the size to help Soliai out in the run game, that Merling and Langford lack.
I can definitely see him moving to DT in Dime/Nickel packages.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
rec'd great stuff Dave
When I initially don’t see the reason for a move I figure out why they did it and then realize I was wrong. When they announced Odrick I can’t say I clapped but only because my mind immediately started to process the effects.
If anyone compares this D to the 3-4 that NE had in their prime for the titles then think of their guys. Randy and Kendall aren’t Seymour and Warren. We answered a need and now I assume they’ll use Merling to get more value in this draft. I can’t say I buy Merling as a LB but I do buy him as a smokescreen at LB for the next day or two. I’d be surprised if Merling is still here come Sunday.
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What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on Apr 23, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
Honestly, Merling could net us a high 3rd rounder, maybe higher
Kid was essentially a 1st round pick in the 2008 draft, he actually wound up sliding to us. Sure you can argue that he hasn’t gotten the playing time, but he did decent his rookie season (Brett Favre Pick!!), but was projected as more of a 4-3 end prototype. Someone might pull the trigger on him in a trade considering the lack of depth of 4-3 DE depth this year. Maybe the Lions or Bungles
agreed
It’s just time to move on now that Kendall and Randy solidified themselves and we’ve added Odrick. Merling had his chance in a 3-4 and now he’ll get his chance back in a 4-3.
It’s value that we won’t need this year so before Merling is only worth a 4th just cut the cord and appreciate that the 3rd rounder after him ended up working out. Kind of like how I’ll justify Turner if he doesn’t work out, at least we got Hartline the round after.
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What better defense on a Jet than an Air Marshall?
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by special agent wildcat on Apr 23, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear what you guys are saying
But maybe Starks is trade bait? He upped his value last year and I think is more expensive than Merling (and older).
Grabbing that LB Dobbins made me think we will be sweeping out some expensive FA acquisitions and holdovers like Crowder, Torbor, Anderson, Starks……..we already are moving Smiley. Not saying all those guys will go, but maybe a final housecleaning to call a rebuild almost complete?
I hope we don't trade Starks
I mean he’s only 26 and he’s a top 5 3-4 DE
Trading Starks would be insanity
He was, without a doubt, the best Miami Dolphin on either side of the ball last year.
-FF
I don't WANT to trade Starks at all..
Merling’s name was thrown out there and I just wonder who is more expensive/older of the two and that’s Starks. Trying to put the GM hat on…
Rec'd!
I was hoping that Dan Williams would slide just ine more pick. If that had happened and we picked up the 2nd rounder- we would all be out on south beach putting the final touches on a TRiGUY bronze statue on south beach. Trading down 12 spots, picking up a 2nd rounder and STILL getting the guy many projected to us at 12??? WOW—
When Jared was called I too had that bewildered “thousand mile stare look” for at least 15 minutes. My JeSt fan “friends” sent text after text of insulting commentary.
Then I did some research. I really like this kid from Penn State.
I like his production, the program he comes from, the competition he has excelled against, his attitude, physical and mental make up, his motor, and versitility. The dude is definitely a football player in the Parcells mold.
I think we will be very happy with Odrick for many years to come. Well done by our FO.
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great write up... rec'd
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by el presidente 00 on Apr 23, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
I couldn't agree more!!!
Like everyone else, I was a little surprised at the pick. However, after reading what the experts wrote and listening to the Joe Rose show this AM, I am pleasantly surprised! According to Joe Rose, several offensive co-ordinators from the Big 10 referred to Odrick as a BEAST or FREAK WHO THEY COULDN’T BLOCK!!! He was big 10 defensive player of the year and has pretty good statistics. Therefore, I don’t think we did much damage with this pick as compared to being at #12. PLUS, we got #40. S. Kindle, or Taylor Mays would look pretty damm good in a Phins Uniform!!!
Rec'd!!!
The more I read and see of this kid I can’t wait to see how many sacks he is gonna have this season.
Brandon Marshall!!! Next stop SuperBowl!!!
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Great post, I have to admit I knee jerked a bit, but that’s mainly because I didn’t realize the dude’s size. 6’5" and 305 lbs? same size as Fergie and Ratliff, plus he definitely has the frame to put on some serious bulk, I can see him throwing on 15 lbs of muscle/fat before the season starts, give him a full year of weight training and I think he’ll be a monster.
Also if you watch his college videos, he gets double teamed the MAJORITY of the time and he still put up great numbers. We need a LB and FS and we are golden baby.
Don't like Odrick with this pick
Trust the TUNA ? Really he knows everything ? How about Pat white… Pat turner… Shawn Murphy… What does this pick say about HIS PICK OF PHILLIP MERLING ? It says bust – that’s what. Odrick is not a bad player, but we had other needs – like OLB, true NT, and ball hawk safety. I’m not afriad to call out the FO – Now they need to move someone along the D-Line to have this make sense. OR do what I have always wanted – SWITCH TO THE 4-3 its easier to get personnel for this allignment and you dont need a Vince wilfolk in the middle. But that won’t happen…Putting on weight – is a gamble too – its difficult to be a “natural” 320 pounder…… I LOVE the trade down – but not the pick…Just doubling up on picks like DT is a COP OUT it screams that you are not sure of your own pick… We need to get 3 starters in this draft OLB, NT, and S…. SHOW ME THE MONEY…….. Kindle in the 2nd please GOD !!!
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Really? you expect them to nail ever pick?
Dude, they don’t cover their ass by drafting 2 players at the same position, it isn’t a cop out, its making sure that we get a quality player at the position. Pat White was a project, its still in progress, I’m not saying he’s gonna be Vick, but I think we’ll see more of him. If they didn’t do that we wouldn’t have Smith, Langford, Hartline.
You sir are having a knee jerk reaction because we didn’t draft the player you wanted. Granted not many people “wanted” this guy, but I think he’s gonna shut us up.
And as for “Trust the Tuna”, yeah, he sure sucks at drafting, I mean look at all the sh!tty players we got in the last 2 drafts, absolutely no talent
by kozam9707 on Apr 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol.. a cop out? I've seen you say this twice, now. Dude, come on.
I didn’t say he knows everything. Nobody knows everything. I said right up there that nobody’s perfect, but to question this pick on a knee jerk based SOLELY off of the predisposed mindset that we NEED to draft OLB/S/NT in the first three rounds is absolutely ignorant.
Philip Merling was a bust? You’re insane. If we hadn’t picked up Starks, Merling would be starting. He wouldn’t be a star by any means, but he would be a solid if not inconsistent starter. They drafted him knowing he had a ton of upside, and he didn’t pan out EXACTLY the way they hoped he would, but he still contributed a lot to this team. Besides, you even made note of the fact that they drafted him in, yes, 2008. He’s 25! You cannot call a 25-year-old who has been in the league two years a bust. That’s ludicrous.
And why do you want Kindle so badly? Knee surgery, knee microsurgery.. the guy is begging to turn into Domanick Davis. Talented running back who couldn’t play past a handful of years because his knee just stopped allowing him to run with full burst. His hips aren’t fluid, and he seems like a one-trick pony. We have one of those, named Derek Cameron Wake. At least Wake has more experience and may have the athleticism to drop back into coverage or the desire and motor to play the run.
The selection of a player who makes your 3-4 DE rotation miles better, as well as filling a need in the hybrid 4-3 with a great player, makes this pick a good one.
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by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel the same about Bradford injury
big risk @ #1 with that shoulder injury. He’s going to have faster and bigger guys pounding him. Hopefully his shoulder holds out.
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total revamp
of the defense with Nolan at the helm. Maybe up to 4 new starters on defense this year. We need it, with us
getting our CBs a little more experience. Pick #40 will be interesting….
"I likem me some UDFAs"
Consider also that the Jets were considered to "covet" Odrick...
I think we made a nice move. If OLB or S can be had in round 2, then by all means don’t blow a round 1 pick on 2nd round talent. Odrick was considered one of the top DT/DE’s in this draft, and those guys don’t grow on trees.
I can't Rec this enough.
Seriously. THANK YOU for saying exactly what I’ve been trying to tell people.
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Awesome post Dave!
Once again, you have put into words what I have been trying to get straight in my own head. =)
Agree 1000%
Rec’d!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
I didn't like the trade down and I didn't like the pick.
The Phins have Jared Odrick’s on the team now in Langford and Starks. They are the same players.
At #12, the Phins had their pick of all the OLB’s and DE’s in the draft. They had their pick of Thomas. Instead they traded down to get an extra 2nd round pick. And that is fine if you believe that the #40 pick along with Odrick will have a bigger impact than having that pick at #12. I don’t think it will.
So it boils down to this for me. Who will have the bigger impact in the NFL, Odrick and whoever at #40 or:
Earl Thomas
Brandon Graham
JPP
Derrick Morgan
Demaryius Thomas
Dez Bryant
Jerry Hughes
Just to name a few. My $$ is that one or more of those guys will be Pro Bowl players. Will Odrick? Will #40? I don’t think so. I hope I am wrong.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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There's going to be some shuffling of the line
Maybe a player traded, and we will get impact guys these next couple of days. I understand scratching your head, but I believe after tonight we’ll see a little more of the picture….
It’s kind of like watching Lost…just gotta be patient and not lose your mind not knowing what’s going on…its hard to do….
You mentioned 4 pass rushers in your list and all four went to 4-3 teams...
Not one 3-4 team took a pass rusher in round one. Only Miami and Arizona took a front 7 3-4 player. There is a reason for this.
Hybrid players take time to develop and don’t always work out. They are being converted from a hand in the dirt pass rusher to a standing pass rusher. They aren’t asks to drop into coverage in college, either man or zone. They usually don’t come in and start there immediately because of development time.
For every DeMarcus Ware there are just as many if not more Vernon Gholstons. While I liked Hughes as a prospect, Odrick gives us some versatility on the line and I think will have a big impact as a rookie.
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
Look at the 2009 draft...
4 hybrid players were taken in the 1st round. Only Orakpo has any real success. Maybin, Ayers, and English were not major factors in their teams defenses. Maybin may show some success this year since he will be a 3-4 OLB, but was basically quiet all last season. Clay Matthews has success as a 3-4 OLB, but he played a LB in college and was accustomed to being in a standing position.
We can pick up a player in this draft in the third round or later that will have just as good a chance being a successful OLB as Hughes or Graham, except the risk is lower in terms of contract and expectations.
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
Well said, great complement to the pro-Odrick position
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i also thought we gave up too much for too little
worse position in rounds 1 and 4, netting a 2nd. But it IS a high 2nd, and a deep draft so let’s see what happens.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the same thing, Lefty.
When the initial reports said we picked up a 2, a 4, and a 6, I thought we’d gotten away with grand larceny. When I saw the final, accurate report, I thought we’d given up too much.
We overpaid a little but really it beats not getting trade and waiting until #73
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Apr 23, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Earl Thomas has his concerns.
He’s small. Sure, trust me, I love the kid and believe he’ll be a Pro Bowler eventually. Question is, how long will he hold up delivering hits and receiving hits considering his size and weight? I can bet you that a defensive end will have a much longer “life expectancy” in the NFL given both have equally positive injury histories. Value.
Graham, JPP, Hughes don’t fit our FO’s requirements, period. When you start drafting outside your own lines, you end up with picks like Pat White, and that’s when you start wasting picks. Value.
Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas; both proved they would have been relatively early picks at that point, and would have been over-kill on the Marshall deal and our already young WR talent. Value.
I just don’t think Derrick Morgan is a 3-4 OLB, period. Value.
You maximize value, you get greater results.
Your money seems to be placed on the wrong numbers or the wrong color, because this wheel is far more complex and balance-oriented than you’re giving it credit for.
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the post
Odrick is a great pick for a defense run by a guy like Nolan.
CT, is there anything you WON’T complain about???
by snorky on Apr 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Plenty. I liked the Marshall pick up, how's that
If the Phins want to win the AFC and go to the Super Bowl, they have to beat the Colts, Patriots, and Chargers. Those are the top teams in the AFC. To do that, IMO, you either need to be able to score points with them or defend the pass, either by having outstanding CB’s (See Jets) or pressuring the QB. Odrick doesn’t do either of those. In his bio it says that he isn’t an effective pass rusher http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post?id=12984.
I just didn’t get the pick when they had the opportunity to have their pick at OLB / DE or Thomas.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Coaches understand the balance of offense and defense..
And the Marshall pick-up brings back much less value without having traded back to recuperate the second rounder he cost us. Odrick is a great pick where he was slotted, and read The Earl’s points for more on the subject.
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Right snorky. Think Ravens D-line!
anyone happen to remember what they did to us in the first round of the playoffs two years ago?
I DO!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
right on.
i mean, they made CP10 look like a scared little schoolgirl, running for his life
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
wait...
that’s too literal to be a good analogy…. let me think of something else
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that some people have allowed their meds to kick in
It’s becoming increasingly obvious that this was a need and a great pick considering our current NT position. Can we all agree to take a few mins after the 2nd round pick to gather our thoughts before spewing venom for the next 12 hours? Fact is the Tuna hasn’t picked anyone most people thought we would for the past couple of years in any round at any time.
Great post Rec'd
I have no reaction when Odrick was named… I just told myself I should make research on the guy and as many of you have said I’m pleased.
I agree someone is going to switch positions or leave, but I just think Starks, Odrick, Langford and Merling is a rotation to never get tired on game day and punish an OL (don’t knnow if possible)
I have one question for whomever cares, What happens if both of our DE draws double teams?
Tunning the Dez Bryant Wagon
I like E. Thomas & D. Thomas Bandwagon.
Tebow is not 1st round Talent, just saying.
Then our NT only has to excel against single blocking
Which gives us a hell of a lot of freedom. I think we pick up a round 4 NT to develop. Think of it this way, defense lines can oft be substituted during a game, but rarely does an O-lineman get substituted during a game to catch his breath. With a killer rotation of 3-4 ends who can all be shuffled around (even some into the nose if Nolan chooses) it not only gives us a solid line, but a solid line that is often fresher than the O-line, which makes a big difference
Huge difference
this pick may have had something to do with fighting the Jets’ nasty offensive line.
And the Baltimore/Pittsburgh comparison keeps on flowing..
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Phins are worried about the Jets, they have bigger issues than I thought
The Jets were a .500 team last year that had a nice playoff run. But if the Phins want to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, they need to worry about the Colts, Patriots, and Chargers. Those are the best teams in the AFC and each of those teams have dynamic passing offenses with multiple WR sets. Why do you think the Jets used a first round pick on a CB even though they have Revis and Cromartie? Because they know who they need to beat to go to the Super Bowl and it is those 3 teams.
You better be able to rush the passer and cover 3 WR’s. Odrick does neither.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
The jets are not facing any of those teams if they don get into the playoffs...
So first they would like to not be swept by us again… so before taking care of IND, PIT, SD we must take care of the Jests and the Patsies.
Are we OK with this?
Tunning the Dez Bryant Wagon
I like E. Thomas & D. Thomas Bandwagon.
Tebow is not 1st round Talent, just saying.
Yeah,
people have to realize the Jets and Patriots are in our division, so we play them twice. It’s not “just” the Colts, Patriots, and Chargers anymore. The Jets have clearly vastly improved to the point where I believe they’re better than New England. I think they’re better than San Diego, and, if it weren’t for Peyton Manning, I think they’d be better than the Colts.
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I like what the Jets have done, but the division still goes through NE
Until I see the Jets QB play at a high level, I am not that concerned with them. Teams with quality QB’s are still the teams to beat.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
I agree on this, and I think Henne is better than Sanchez
Elite QBs makes a difference. Let’s hope Henne takes the next step now that he has a new toy.
Tunning the Dez Bryant Wagon
I like E. Thomas & D. Thomas Bandwagon.
Tebow is not 1st round Talent, just saying.
Odrick does neither?
You said yourself that you got this information from his “bio.” If you watched any of his game tape, you’d realize he DOES rush the passer effectively for a guy his size and has a ton of potential in the 3-4 and 4-3/hybrid schemes at multiple positions.
You’re looking at this the completely wrong way with a large amount of ignorance. Watch some game tape, consider Nolan’s impact, and read up on the transformation that has been going on behind closed doors for weeks now. You’ll understand. I think.
When it comes to arguing, that’s worse than a brick wall.
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on Dave. Do you really think that playing a 3 technique against guards from Minnesota and Indiana are the same as playing against NFL tackles?
I did watch film. I spent probably 45 minutes watching this guy’s highlights last night. So don’t call my opinion ingnorance.
In all that time, he didn’t line up in a 5 technique once. He played in a 3 technique and sometimes a 1 technique. He has a nice first step, plays strong and engages with his hands well. But he isn’t overly athletic and has trouble getting to the QB even after beating the OL (watch the tape). He also has a tendency to play “high” and loses leverage in the run game.
So now the Phins are expecting to take a guy who has a history of shooting gaps (1 and 3 technique) into a guy that has to engage an NFL tackle in a 5 technique. He might do just fine. I hope he does. But don’t tell me I am a “brick wall”. I don’t form opinions without doing at least a little research.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
I actually said arguing ignorance is WORSE than arguing with a brick wall
so I guess if I apologize, I owe more than would seem necessary.
But with all due respect, my perception of what you do with what I will admit are well-formulated opinions based on obvious analysis has been downgraded since reading yet another “draft offense now” post from ya even after we traded for one of the best WRs in this league. I’m still pretty heated that it was fathomable to read that after our acquisition, so, excuse my comparison.
After having watched his Senior Bowl highlights, it’s pretty clear that he took a lot of coaching from Sparano and co. and did a lot with it. Sure, he has a tendency to do so, but like most of your cons are coachable items. The athleticism isn’t, obviously, but that one I just disagree with. I don’t understand how having a nice first step and playing strong, even though he has plenty of room on his frame to fill out, as well as knowing how to use your hands, means you’re on the average or slightly above average side of football/lineman athleticism. I mean, we’re not comparing a DE to a WR or RB. The guy’s plenty athletic for his size, and if we’re considering him a 4-3 DT, then he’s rather athletic.
I do believe Odrick himself stated that he’s played some five technique, and he appears quite intelligent on first impressions. He will be coachable, and will learn enough to become a dominant lineman.
That’s what NFL analysts and commentators are saying; I’ve seen the word dominant a few times. I think I’ll agree with them before you, no offense meant.
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, what the hell are you talking about
You better be able to rush the passer and cover 3 WR’s. Odrick does neither.
Of course he rushes the passer! You ought to rethink your idea that the D-line just plays run D, because it is really wrong.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am just going by what I saw last night.
Then I read things like this today:
Pro Football Weekly’s draft preview says Odrick’s positives are ``excellent body length to disrupt passing lanes. Outstanding athlete for a big man. Secure tackler. Outstanding work ethic. Tough and will play through injuries.’’
The publication lists these as his negatives: ``Does not consistently play to his size. Not stout for a 300-pounder — lacks base strength to anchor and does not generate power from his lower half. Lunges and loses balances. Can do a better job working his hands and feet in unison. Lacks elite closing burst at the top of his rush. Could play more disciplined.’’
And this:
Scouts Inc. says: Stout and shows good strength at the point of attack. Extremely competitive and works hard to fight through blocks. However has some problems holding ground against double teams. … Fires off the ball and strong initial surge. Heavy hands and can stack blockers up in one-on-one battles. However, mechanical at times and needs to do a better job of wading through traffic in pursuit. … Quick first step in pass rush and flashes the ability to penetrate but lacks ideal closing speed and can be a step late getting to the quarterback as a result. Struggles to counter once engaged.
He “lacks ideal closing speed” and that is what I saw. I might have mistated when I said he was unathletic. Scouts Inc. and Pro Football Weekly sums it better than I did.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Or this
Odrick shows power to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher but again needs to expand his pass rush package with more moves and counters to contribute at the next level. Odrick has upside if he can improve his overall technique at the next level.
Or this
The 2009 Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year — beating out Brandon Graham — Odrick recorded 11 tackles for loss and seven sacks as a fourth-year senior in 2009.
Or this
Even though two defensive linemen could be taken in the first three picks, there is a good chance that an appealing one will fall to the Ravens near the bottom of the first round… The biggest reason why Odrick could last into the second half of the first round is he’s not considered flashy. He stops the run and rushes the passer equally well…
Or this
Odrick can play inside on a four-man rush and also end in a 3-4 scheme. Odrick uses his hands very well and is a powerful inside rusher. Odrick’s versatility will serve the Dolphins well and the kid has a big motor.
Or this
Penn State’s Jared Odrick has the ideal traits for the job at 6-5, 304 pounds and 34-inch arms. He can hold the point and, when asked to stunt like the Chargers do in their 3-4, can penetrate.
etc. etc. etc…. ad infinitum
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
3-4 DL is different from a 4-3 DL
If the Phins are moving more to a gap penetrating defense, as Matty suggests, then I like this pick better. But he is still not a 3 technique in the Warren Sapp, John Randle, Tommy Harris (before knee injury) or Albert Haynesworth mold. Odrick doesn’t have that “burst” after beating the OL to be a truly great pass rusher in the NFL, IMO.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
yes.
3-4 DL is different from a 4-3 DL
I had suspected that this might be the case
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I love this pick. I was definitely surprised by it, but I love it.
And as someone who lives in Big Ten country, I am being honest when I say Odrick is a total bastard on defense And just to make a point about the “playing against Indiana and Minnesota” comment, the Big Ten typically has the best and most versatile offensive linemen in college football (except for this season, which was obviously a Big 12-dominated class), so it’s definitely an accomplishment when a front-seven player wrecks that much havoc in the conference.
And now make it three straight years where Parcells has gone Big Ten in the first round.
Bleeding aqua and orange since 1988!
Jerry Hughes in 2010!
Dolphins' defense + Mike Nolan = top five in 2010
he was projected as the BEST 3-4 DE...
and the biggest knock on him is technique. Seriously, how cool is that? TECHNIQUE! That means he has a ton of upside to improve things like hand movement, first steps, and and body control that could make him significantly better in all aspects of his game.
You can’t teach height, or reflexes, but you CAN teach technique!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha. I am just glad someone is as excited about this pick as I am
The comment about him having the ability to collapse the pocket is right on. I am not a Nittany Lion fan by any stretch, but I had a lot of fun watching Odrick play this season.
Who’s your No.1 in the second round, Lefty?
Bleeding aqua and orange since 1988!
Someone get me a play-making free safety!
Dolphins' defense + Mike Nolan = top five in 2010
I want to get Kindle and Allen
but i am hearing some potentially serious medical things wrong with Kindle, and I am not sure Allen will last until our 3rd.
So i am starting to think that we should maybe go ahead and grab Allen, but i think 40 is a little high.
I was also thinking about Cody, but I have to admit that I don’t really know what the new plan if for out Defense, and from the look of our first pick, i am thinking Cody might not fit.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess if we could trade down once more and pick up another 3rd (which i don't think is too much for #40 in this draft)
maybe down to the high 40s, and then maybe be able to still grab Allen…. that would be ideal
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i am starting to put together some of the different fronts we can use with our current guys
and DAMN! We have a run stuffing, LOS pushing, crazy ass blitz package, scary as hell front 7!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
"You better be able to rush the passer and cover 3 WR’s. Odrick does neither."
Wrong.
This creates a nice defensive package for us that’s pretty much tailored for the pass hungry offenses like the Colts, Patriots, and Chargers.
This guys fits perfectly into the nickel defense where we have a few less linebackers which is a weakness of ours right now and a few more CBs. We’ll have Vontae, Sean, and Will Allen on the field providing great coverage while the lineman bringi the pressure.
you are too wise to be hanging around here.
You don’t jump to conclusions, or have “knee-jerk” emotional outbursts????
you must leave.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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by texascowpunk on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on lefty, I promise to become more nonsense and less rational
Let me hang in here I like it
Tunning the Dez Bryant Wagon
I like E. Thomas & D. Thomas Bandwagon.
Tebow is not 1st round Talent, just saying.
okay.. but you better freak out on this next pick!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno if I have another one of these posts in me for that, Lefty!
What are you trying to do to me?!
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 23, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
no worries… i seriously doubt the mexican can pull a serious enough “freakout” to require one of your grounding posts.
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright damn it. I'll watch the damn draft damn it.
Just jerking your chain alittle! Line men first then linebackers then secondary, thats how its done. So we are doing just that. I have to admit it was easy to fall asleep after we made our pick though wasn’t it. Is that really a bad thing? Sounds like a fair conservative first round pick to me. A guy that can get on the field right away and contribute right away. Not to mention stick around on our roster for many years to come.
You are right on the spot, the FO is not willin to miss on a 1st round pick
They made the safer move.
Tunning the Dez Bryant Wagon
I like E. Thomas & D. Thomas Bandwagon.
Tebow is not 1st round Talent, just saying.
well said
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Oh logic
How nice it is to hear it during the draft, especially with the SBNation blogs sometimes getting bogged down with to many terrible posts.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

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