NFL Draft 2010: Initial reaction to Dolphins selecting Jared Odrick
by Matty I on Apr 23, 2010 12:26 AM EDT
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PrintLate Thursday night, the Dolphins were finally on the clock after trading down from pick 12 to pick 28. Among those still available were Sergio Kindle and Jerry Hughes, two athletic outside linebackers who would fill a huge need on their roster.
Then the pick was announced...Jared Odrick, defensive tackle, Penn State.
Surprise and disappointment seemed to be the consensus feelings amongst Dolphin fans. But when you put aside the idea of drafting for need, it isn't hard to understand why this front office selected this versatile defensive lineman from Penn State.
It's clear after hearing GM Jeff Ireland speak tonight that the Dolphins had Odrick at the top of their draft board when they got put on the clock at number 28. And if that's how they honestly felt, that Odrick was the best player available at the time, then you have to give them credit for sticking to their board.
Upon being drafted by Miami, Odrick said all the right things. He spoke about how he's willing to play anywhere on the defensive line and how he's just looking forward to finding a place to live and getting to work.
So where will he play? That seems to be the question everybody is wondering about. At his press conference on Thursday night, Ireland said that Odrick can play inside and outside along the line. That kind of versatility will make Odrick a three down player - not a situational player. Most likely, though, I expect the 6'5, 304 pound Odrick to play defensive end in Miami's 3-4 on early downs and then kick inside on third downs or when Mike Nolan decides to mix it up and run a hybrid defense.
But Ireland did confirm that they won't make any definitive decision on where Jared will play until they get him out on the field.
It's clear, though, that it's Odrick's flexibility and willingness to play anywhere that probably really enticed this regime. In his own words, Odrick told the media on Thursday night that his versatility is indeed "one of the reason the Dolphins took me. I can and will play any position on the defensive line. It doesn’t matter."
On ESPN, Jon Gruden said that he is a big fan of Odrick's:
"When he comes off the ball he’s a bull rushing. He’s a problem inside. He sheds guards and makes a lot of tackles. Relentless. Plays on an every down basis and never gets tired."
With that said, the one position I don't see him playing is nose tackle. From all the reports I've read on him - like this one from Scott Wright of Draft Countdown - Odrick's one big flaw is that he isn't "overly stout" at the point of attack. That's why I doubt he sees much work at the nose. Instead I see him being used like Randy Starks has been used, kicking inside on passing downs but staying at end when Miami 's in their true 3-4 defense.
Of course, I'm not going to completely write off the possibility that Odrick becomes a nose tackle. He did say tonight that he can gain or lose weight very easily and that he's "all for it" if they ask him to play the nose.
Here's the only thing I know for sure: the Dolphins better have gotten this one right. If they turn out to be wrong about Odrick, there are going to be many disappointed and/or angry fans with their pitchforks at the front door of the team's facility in Davie. And not even a 6'5, 300+ pound defensive lineman would be able to protect them.
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Wow......not even sure that I have processed this selection.
Not really knowing much about him at all, I can’t say much other than I was POSITIVE that Sergio Kindle was going to be the selection. I don’t know where he should play…inside or out, but I am looking forward to getting to see him work. Let’s hope for the best. I was happy with the trade down with San Diego though!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
miami can STILL pick up Kindle
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If he lasts that long...I am hoping that he does and if he is still there
We better take him!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
we will.............
Just one man's opinion...
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1-Sergio Kindle, 2-Nate Allen, 3-Torrell Troup, 4-Brandon Spikes
1-Sergio Kindle, 2-Mount Cody, 3-Major Wright, 4-Brandon Spikes
eh idk.
i get the feeling miami might trade down again, and get another 3rd.
remember we also have ppl that might be on the trading block:
Merling
Langford
CP10
Thigpen
Ronnie
Camarillo
Will Allen
i think we’ll see 1 or 2 of those guys get traded. before this drafts over
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The more I read on this dude
the better I feel about the FO picking him up at #28, I wanted Thomas and he was there at #12 but again it seems the Tuna has a plan and is sticking too it, the plus side is now we get pick #40 so hopefully we get a FS or OLB but I guess we’ll have to wait and see. It wouldn’t surprise me if we trade down again.
I like the pick i wish people would shutup and let the magic unfold tomorow and the rest of the days
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DPL, i don't care that people disagree about the pick
I am just glad to be in the company of so many passionate fans. Heck, if I was trying to talk to my wife about any of this, I would only get about 5 seconds of her attention. =) HERE, people talk about every little thing for days… months even!
As for the pick itself, i feel where people are coming from. i was VERY disappointed when they pulled the trigger on Odrick. After spending the previous couple of hours salivating over the premium picks like Thomas, Williams, and Morgan, i was quite prepared to consider Hughes a nice fallback option. I was not quite as thrilled as everyone else with the trade down, because I thought we dropped too far for too little (I still pretty much think that). But when I saw Hughes still there, I was thinking that it might just pay off, by giving us the pass rusher we need and still giving us a 2nd rounder.
So, yeah, I was shocked and disappointed with the Odrick pick. I mean 3-4 DE??? How is THAT filling an offseason need?
BUUUUTTTT….. the more I think about it (and the more time i spend learning about the kid), the more i like it.
It doesn’t fill a need in an obvious way, but when you really break down our Defensive “needs”, it is all about pressuring the QB, stopping the run, and defensing the pass.
QB pressure can come from different positions, and we want our three front linemen to bring it. The NT can be effective just holding the line in place, if the ends can squeeze the pocket, but last season we were not getting as much pressure from our line as needed. I am thinking that if this kid can bring the same kind of pressure that Starks can bring from the other side, it will force the QB to make quick decisions, or flush him. This will allow our OLBs to make more plays, and put our secondary in line to get picks.
And with Dansby in the middle, and with Nolan bringing different blitz packages, it become even more important for the ends to provide outside contain in run support. You need someone stout.
So i think this is a really solid pick. Not flashy. And not too risky. But it should be an instant upgrade to the three positions that we have all been worried about….. OLB, NT, and FS.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree on this
Tunning the Dez Bryant Wagon
I like E. Thomas & D. Thomas Bandwagon.
Tebow is not 1st round Talent, just saying.
I completely agree!
In the first round, getting a guy who is going to be a long-term starter and fits in the team’s scheme is far more important than need. Need should only be used as a criterion if the team is a) one elite player away from a deep playoff run, or b) as a tiebreaker to distinguish between two similarly rated players.
Apparentely, this FO believed there was no one at OLB or FS or NT who fits their team better than Odrick. Good for them to go get him.
Remember, too—this pick is not about what he can do for our team this year. It’s about what he’ll do for this team for the next 5 years—or longer.
I like the pick even more when we remember that DE is only one Randy Starks arrest or popped ACL from being a position of need.
Go Phins!
This ▼
Need should only be used as a criterion if the team is a) one elite player away from a deep playoff run, or b) as a tiebreaker to distinguish between two similarly rated players.
This ▲
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not sure but the players that we hve playing the DE, is there a 1st rd. pick at that posisition
I’m like real happy that we got him & not the jet’s as they were salvating they thought they were getting him!
by wild zion beaver on Apr 23, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly,
both Mike Mayock’s and ESPN’s big boards of “100 Best” have Odrick ranked…
#28.
Go figure. Go Dolphins
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by DPL3 Rollin on Apr 23, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That is interesting....didn't know that.
Now I am curious as to what direction we will go tomorrow.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Also interestingly,
Cody is ranked #40. A glimpse of things to come tomorrow night?
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by lancelotlink on Apr 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Go thing right?
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by DPL3 Rollin on Apr 23, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Suh and McCoy would translate to a DE in a 3-4, just like Odrick.
I must say, I’m disappointed. I have never even checked Odrick out bc I feel that we are stout at DE. Really thought it was Kindle or Cody.
Hopefully the kid can gain some weight and play the nose. I’m definitely no GM, so I will trust the selection.
Dolphins and Gators baby!
He’s also fat and lazy. Saban had to really get on him to shapen up. If he had worked like most college players do he would have been a 1st rounder.
Having said that I would be happy if Miami took him in 2nd round, I just don’t have high expectations for him.
Jared Odrick will be a better NT and player in the NFL
Than Terrance Cody, Cody will eat up space but lacks strength for his side and is not explosive off the ball.
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i think we need to keep our eye on the model.
i keep forgetting that myself.
Fergi is not a great pass rusher. All we need in the middle at nose is a guy that won’t get pushed back, and can shed a block to make a tackle on an inside run.
Odrick can be very successful for us as an end, bring the same kind of pressure that Starks brings from the other side. We don’t NEED him to play NT.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea. I think we'll get a Nose in the later rounds. the nose for UCLA is still on the board.
by Phins4life2334 on Apr 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i mean if we get torrell troup then we got a solid line in this year drafts
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What's wrong with taking Odrick here?
As long as we eventually fill the other defensive needs? Regardless of our emotions surrounding this pick and who we as fans wanted, it’s pretty much guaranteed that the front office knows more both about Odrick and the Dolphins’ needs overall. If Ireland and Parcells came to the consensus that no one else was as valuable at #28, then there’s not much we can do about it. I think having an early pick in round 2 heavily weighed in on the decision to Odrick when they did.
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Nothing as long as he pans out and Sergio doesn't become a perenial ProBowler!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
That's an inherent risk in drafting.
But it’s also what makes sports fun and interesting.
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Yeah and it gives us all pro amchair drafters something to talk about!
How boring would my Thursday night have been otherwise!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It just doesn't make sense to me
when we have so many other huge needs. Regardless of Odrick’s potential, we NEED an OLB rushing the passer. We NEED a good FS. We NEED a replacement for Ferguson at NT. Why go with a position we already feel pretty comfortable at… I just don’t like it.
McCoy and Suh project to 4-3 DT's
Not to NT’s. That’s why Dan Williams was considered the best NT in the draft, even though McCoy and Suh are clearly beasts.
It's not just about the weight...
It’s about the “density”. Very few nose tackles are 6’5". For example, Wilfork is listed at 6’2", 325. Jenkins is 6’4", but is listed at 360. Ferguson is 6’3" 310, but he’s not as dominant as those guys. Odrick would have to put on a lot of weight to be an effective NT—maybe 50 pounds? He’s better as a DE, and I hope they play him there.
It’s not just about the weight…
It’s about the "density".
Yes. We want RBs to get captured in our NT’s gravity well as they run by….
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
it would not be a bad pick. Seriously, replace Soliai with Cody, with Odrick and Starks on the ends
and there is not an O-line in the division that will be able to stand up to them!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to share this thought but that's probably why I am sitting here typing this up tonight
And BP and Company are getting paid alot of money to do this professionally. I am not going to knock the pick without much knowledge of this guys skills. I will just defer to the professionals.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
you know
I’m going to let Nolan do things his way without any complaints. Our defense was terrible last year and I’m hoping that it’s this kind of risk taking that will help the D get to the next level.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
Thanks for chiming in Tony
I figured that you would be busy preparing for tomorrows draft!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
I’m not allowed in the real war room. They lock the door and I’m pretty sure they have ice cream.
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by TonySoprano on Apr 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
this is a GREAT pick.
he gets pressure on the QB! thats the biggest cause of turnovers!! just because he wasn’t the flashy pick, doesnt mean he wasnt the right pick.
plus this is a VERY deep draft!! and we have the 8th pick tomarrow with Kindle, Cody, Mays, Nate Allen, and a TON of other great players still on the board!! we’ll get our OLB’s, NT, and FS. dont worry!
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 12:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree.
If you don’t have the opinion that there’s still great value to be had, then you probably shouldn’t even watch the remaining 6 rounds.
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I would have to say OLB is the biggest
But FS is definitely up there!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
We also have...
…the 10th pick in the third. Tomorrow night will be fun.
Go Dolphins.
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Also, the trifecta...
…like to draft in twos (like Noah’s Ark). I’m expecting another DL tomorrow night (Cody?).
Go Dolphins.
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i looked more at nfl.com draft tracker positional ranking and stats and he is bigger or the same size as most dt in the draft only cody is more then 20 pounds heavier than him. they could put 20 pounds on anyone in training camp
Or perhaps he is a legit stud DE
And I like the fact that they say he can play inside or outside…that’s valuable in a defense of Nolan’s
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
If the FO had Odrick rated that high...
… then I commend them for sticking to their guns and taking him. Christ Mortensen just replied to a tweet in which he said he did not believe Odrick would still be available at #40 when Miami was on the clock again.
Got dysentery and died while on the Vincent Jackson Bandwagon.
wasn't the story that
the Jets and the Colts both liked this kid? Sounds like he wouldn’t have made it out of round 1…
the jets were sething, when he was taken just in front of them
by wild zion beaver on Apr 23, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
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by texascowpunk on Apr 23, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If you listen to the guy during his interview
he does say all the right things… He sounds smart, he sound like he’s willing to work, and it sound like he’s happy to be a dolphin. Gotta love that…
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by jupiterfins on Apr 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Daryl Washington is an ILB
not OLB
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 12:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My humble opinion..
At the begining of the draft i tho Denver was killing it, then they drafted and from the best draft they went down to the last. I tho we were in good shape and Odrick came. I will keep washing, no high expectation tho! I never get what i want lol
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
lol I'm happiest about getting the 2nd rounder...
I really think that’s a valuable piece and was worth trading down for.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
as deep as this draft is, we're basically drafting another 1st rounder...
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
exactly.............great move by the front office.......essentially that means that brandon marshall cost us ONE second round pick
Just one man's opinion...
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1-Sergio Kindle, 2-Mount Cody, 3-Major Wright, 4-Brandon Spikes
exactly what I'm excited about
Brandon Marshall!!! Next stop SuperBowl!!!
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Yeah even if Odrick doesn't pan out, We still got Marshall AND have our 2nd rounder to fall back on
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
right
the trade down was the best move of the night for us because we added picks in a deep draft.. and allowed our FO to draft more players, seeing as how they are so good at it lately lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
and considering the amount of first round talent left...
Its basically like Round 1 lite. And we’re picking 8th.
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
right
gotta chance to get a serious playmaker STILL in round 2.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, BTW thanx for telling me where the hell......., lol
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
what'd I do?
lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
disapear, without a peep, lol, i didn't know this was up
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
oh sorry
the other post died, I went looking for everyone
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
This pick opens the door for quite a few different things to happen
because I don’t think we’ll go into camp looking at 5 DE’s. Somebody is getting moved, whether it’s to another position, or to another team for picks. Tomorrow and Saturday should go a long way towards clearing up the logic behind this pick hopefully.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:45 AM EDT reply actions
exactly...
everyone is acting like this is the only pick we have. we have 2 more days of this,
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
lmao!!!
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by jupiterfins on Apr 23, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Starks was playing great last year
I can only hope that he is equal or better!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No but he was solid vs the Run
AND he got consistant pressure, especially in key situations, on the opposition’s QB
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You think Merling could be shown the door?
Got dysentery and died while on the Vincent Jackson Bandwagon.
I think he could be shown the Atkins Diet
and told to get down to 270 and play SOLB, similar to how Roth did. Jason_Scott was hinting at this scenario in the other thread pretty seriously.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That's true
Don’t know if he would have the wheels to play it…but Roth did it fairly well so anything could happen.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we would use him the same as Roth
no real role in coverage, mostly a run stuffer..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Could work since we have 32 DE's now
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
I think this pick signals that as a definite possibility at this point.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
he was a tight end in college......
who remember that pick of brett farve to end the season year before last……i think he can do it
Just one man's opinion...
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1-Sergio Kindle, 2-Mount Cody, 3-Major Wright, 4-Brandon Spikes
Well...
when Merling was drafted:
Height: 6’4½" Weight: 271 lbs
40-yard time: 4.63, 4.73, 4.84 (pre-combine)
225-pound bench press: 17 reps
Asked if Phillip Merling is moving to OLB, Sparano laughed and said, “We’re not there yet,” noting Merling is 295 and was drafted as DE.
If this was their thinking … I could see it making sense… We all liked our certain player at OLB, but if this kid can make the transition to SOLB then we are probably better off. They want someone with a little more bulk playing out there and he is still very talented, but hasn’t played up to what they expected since he put on the weight. I think if they let him drop the weight we will get some use out of the guy. If this is the case though I would expect that he has already lost the weight. I could still see us coming back to OLB though a little bit later in the draft even if he does move to OLB for us.
If not maybe we are still planning on going with one of the OLBs in the draft. Maybe they had a few OLBs rated high and thought they could wait and take whoever was left at 40. Maybe they felt that Cody might tumble, given that they picked a possible NT lets him tumble further, maybe to them at 73. Then again, maybe they have one of the other NTs that they like better than Cody given his weight problems. As long as we dominate the line of scrimmage next year, it really won’t matter to me… Teams that do that effectively win.
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 23, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah.... I'd forgotten that.
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
I like Cam Thomas as NT
But if Kindel is still there I think we should grab him.
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i don't think Merling can play OLB
he is pretty quick, but i don’t think he is athletic enough for pass coverage
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed. merling is way too big to play in space.
by Phins4life2334 on Apr 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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I wouldn't rule anything out
But I don’t think so….depends on who else we draft though
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think tomorrow will clear a few things up.
We are in a good spot tomorrow to start the day!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
EARLY 2nd round!!!
I likes that ALOT!!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
True
However i really think we’d only get a 3rd rounder max if we packaged smiley with merling/langford. I still don’t understand the pick however, getting Jerry Hughes and Cody in the 2nd wouldve made things so much simpler
maybe not so much a trade
but more maybe a position change. Merling to OLB, or McDaniel possibly converting a NT makes this pick make more sense.. since we filled a need in a backwards sort of way..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
No 3-4 team took an edge pass rusher...
I think that’s kinda telling about this draft
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
definitely
too hard to project those guys when you have NO tape on them playing that position IMO.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
And spending a 1st round pick on that position is a risk...
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
right
which was why I was a bit wary of it.. I like some of the 2nd/3rd round guys because of the smaller risk with that pick.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
A few reasons...
Most are converted 4-3 ends that never had to drop into coverage. There is a fairly high bust rate for conversion guys. Savvy 3-4 four teams know that they can get decent prospects later in the draft without spendind a high pick and therefore tons of money as a risky position.
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
Well...
It might be due to supply and demand… If there is a large supply of guys that can do it … Why would you jump and take one if they are all rated around the same place on your board. Why not wait for someone else to grab an OLB.
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 23, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
by the way???
does anyone know anything about this LB we got from the Chargers??
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
not a clue
never heard of him.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah he started one game....lead the team in tackles.......
he showed up to help admirably last year and he plays special teams……just more competition for our already gigantic linebacking core………..
Just one man's opinion...
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1-Sergio Kindle, 2-Nate Allen, 3-Torrell Troup, 4-Brandon Spikes
1-Sergio Kindle, 2-Mount Cody, 3-Major Wright, 4-Brandon Spikes
I think his name is Tim Robbins....
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im still confused about this draft..
We do have the peices to go back to a 4-3 however
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Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
I guess so.
McDaniels and Odrick in the middle, Starks and Langford on the ends.
Anderson and Wake splitting reps on one side, Channing in the middle, and Dansby on the outside.
I highly doubt that is the situation. Hopefully they can package something together and get Cody and Kindle or Hughes tonight.
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interestingly enough...
over at the bronco’s blog………they LOVE the Tebow selection.
Funny how different fanbases react to their team’s picks…
if Charles Barkley were there..
he’d call mcdaniels a “knuckle head”
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
Colt McCoy would have been a better choice for that offense
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
I think it's a good pick for them
I think Tebow is good until he proves otherwise. I know he isn’t the prototype and all that crap…but the guy is a winner and a competitor. And I would rather have someone with the drive to succeed than someone with skills but questionable drive and work ethic.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
they gave up 3 picks...essentially Brandon Marshall for Tebow...
tell me that you trade marshall for tebow?
No, not talking about the trades
I am talking about the selection itself….because that arguement could be used on any selection they made.
I think if there was a good place for Tebow to go, and get to develop, it’s denver.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
No one gave Doug Flutie a chance
and he was a helluva lot better than Johnson was as Buffalo.
"I likem me some UDFAs"
Yes but you have to teach how to throw the ball, read a defense, take a snap from center, and drop back. That’s a lot of work for a first round pick. I can’t imagine anybody expecting Tebow to start anytime before 2012 so there is certainly time to do all that it’s just a lot of questions for a first round pick.
Also, you have to wonder how his personality will work out in the locker room. He’s very polarizing so it’ll either work great or not at all. It’ll certainly be interesting to watch.
Mosul got pissed over the Tebow stuff... LOL
Never knew he was that way about Tebow… LOL
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Can some1 bring some Odrick videos?
other than what espn show us? gd!
btw! im not angry, just confuse! and happy(?)
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
look the fins have NOT made all the right moves
DE is the deepest position we had on the team . .PERIOD. . we had 5 I dont care if they trade one of the others for a 3rd or 4th pick. Thomas was right there and when he is a pro bowler. this team is pissing me off. we trade a HIGH 1st round for a low 1st and a high 2nd and then drop in 4th give up 6th and get a crap LB
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bad day?
Like I said, wait until you see the full scope of the draft and how the other moves fit in.. DE might not end up being the deepest position if 1 or 2 of them switch spots.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
McDaniel could switch to NT
Starks could as well, he could be in that Ratliff mold where quickness is his calling card instead of bulk..
Merling to SOLB has been discussed for 2 years now, and it may finally happen, which is what this pick could signal (we have the OLB on the roster, let’s replace him on the DL)
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Aren't NT supposed to be relatively shorter in order to get more leverage?
I thought that NT should be like 6’1"-6’3" ish. McDaniels is too tall to get that leverage I think. I do agree about the Starks point.
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^^^This
i am not buying McDaniel at NT, even if he has technically manned the position a couple of times. Too tall to get good leverage.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
how do you know Thomas is a pro bowler?? he hasnt played a snap in the NFL?
and DE is NOT the deepest position on the team. we have Starks, and Langford (who is average at BEST). now with Odrick and Starks, our pass-rush just got a lot better.
Merling has not panned out.
when you claim a position is “deep” usually that implies you have a lot of good players there. we did not have a lot of good players at DE. now we got Odrick and Starks. and our pass-rush has gotten a lot better with Odrick
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We don't have alot of good players on defense at all!!!
But if there is a place that we are deep at…relative to the skill level….it would be DE, and CB.
It wouldn’t be safety, or NT, and it wouldn’t be OLB or ILB either…..though ILB is far better off than OLB
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
what are you even talking about?? do you even watch the Dolphins
Y. Bell, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Karlos Dansby, Crowder, Camron Wake, Randy Starks, Odrick. thats 8 out of 11 positions filled with good players.
plus were set on offense. we could use a TE and a Speedy WR/Return guy.
and we still have about 8-9 picks to fill the rest of these positions!!! why are you so worried??
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 1:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I watch every game 3 times
Y. Bell was good last year.
Davis and Smith were good for rookies, but still close to the bottom in terms of performance last year so no, I don’t think we are “Good” at CB
Crowder was one of the worst ILBs last year….not good at all. Granted he might be better with Dansby there but that remains to be seen.
Wake can only rush the passer at this point. Remains to be seen if he can play the run or drop in coverage.
Starks was solid
So your list….Only 3 players, and only 2 of them were on the roster last year (Starks and Bell) are what I would call as good. The others have potential….but good…no brother. I have all 16 games DVR’d that you can go back and watch again and then you can tell me just how good you think our defense is!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
our defense wasnt good!!
mainly because of the play calling and young players. and yes we have GOOD players, even though you dont think so.
why are you so negative??
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 1:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am not negative
I am realistic.
I whole heartedly think this team is moving in the right direction. But I watched that defense play every single game, 3 times per game!! We don’t have a lot of playmakers on our defense outside of Dansby who we just picked up, and our 2nd year CBs (who I think will be pro bowlers in 2 more years). We have no depth at OLB, NT, or safety.
How you take someone being honest about our defense as being negative, I am not sure. Sure maybe the DC didn’t call good plays, but I watched the execution of the defenses called and we weren’t good! And we haven’t changed enough of the necessary pieces for me to consider us even close to being a good defense.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
okay. not all 11 guys on each side of the ball are going to be playmakers. some will just be solid guys.
right now, i believe we have 4 playmakers in Smith, Davis, Dansby, and Wake. and with this new kid, he could be a playmaker? we’ll have to see. but what causes turnovers?? rushing the passer and getting pressure on the QB! what does Odrick do? rush the passer!
last year we could not get pressure! therefore we did not get many turnovers! and your acting like this was our only pick. we still have 8-9 more picks! why dont you wait and see how everything else goes before you claim this was a stupid pick.
and what if Odrick plays NT? is it still a stupid pick? he can put on like 10 pounds.
and Mike Nolan is going to make a huge difference.
Odrick is we’ll coached. a hard worker and a good person. not to mention a great player. (big 10 player of the year)
im not even close to being worried. im happy with the pick. you dont always take a lesser player just because you have a need there.
Miami will go to the playoffs next year! there doing everything right IMO
Dansby, Marshall, Nolan, Incognito, Odrick. this team is already miles ahead of last year. and we still got about 8 or 9 new players joining us!!!! im happy
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very well said
Of course the pick was a shocker but when you sit and think about it and more importantly think about who’s going to be leading the defense suddenly this seems like a very good move. I know we were all doubting the FO a few weeks ago, but it seems they have a very solid plan for this team and are following it to the letter. September can’t come soon enough.
THIS^^^^^^ is right on the money. we could made a much better selection then this
and i think most fans and the so called “experts” would agree
stick to your day job
dont draft need just because you need it. if Odrick was the b.p.a then you take him. theres a reason the pats, fins, jets, and saints passed on Kindle in the first.
look at the Vikes, they drafted Adrian Peterson after Chestor Taylor has 1,220 yards rushing.
Anyone complaining about that pick now?
We have a plan. Just trust the front-office. we have one of the few that a fan base can actually do that.
by Anothertidbit on Apr 23, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Constipation... I think....
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I pretty sure we burned the JETS with this pick
and from everything I’ve been reading on all the mock draft sites the Jets were high on this guy. If this is true I like the pick even more now, maybe a little pay back for the whole JT thing.
by kermit the frogger29 on Apr 23, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions
I've read numerous sources with Odrick garnering attention from both NY and NE.
Got dysentery and died while on the Vincent Jackson Bandwagon.
Do u really care about the effing propellers?
This sound like the Gin pick, some1 else wanted him after us, effing the crap
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
Thats what they get for signing JT.
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 23, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
the lb
the LB is a former 5th round pick and at best a back up MLB
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 12:53 AM EDT reply actions
depth is depth
Crowder, Dansby, Torbor, Dobbins.. were set at ILB
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Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
well that's fine
we don’t need a starting LB. He was a throw in in this deal.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
hey maybe this Dobbins guy will be really good??
im jusymt saying, sometimes a team gives up what it thinks isnt a great talent, and the player goes somewhere else and becomes a great player!
if you guys couldnt figure it out. that was a Miami getting rid of Wes Welker reference. lol
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree,
I don’t think the FO would have accept him if they didn’t think they could make something out of him, apparently he only played a few games last year but lead in tackles when he did, I say welcome aboard.
I think we all liked Welker when he played here ...
I just felt bad for the guy that he was drawing double coverage and they were just killing the guy. He would catch the ball and I thought they were going to Pat White the guy on every single play. I felt really bad for the guy.
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 23, 2010 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i think Dobbins is a throw-away
something to make the trade value work, but will only be a backup/STs player at best
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
the jets
have had the best off season . . and then they add another shut down corner. . good luck throwing running or anything on there D
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions
Then go root for the Jets
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by Patssuck456 on Apr 23, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
well said
what’s in the water over there in VA today?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
whats in the water
the stupidest pick EVER. . look at all our needs and we get CRAP
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah and dont forget who our DC is
i trust that he knows what he’s getting
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
trust
same people who drafted pat white. . and thought gabriel wilson was worth all that money
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
trust the same people that have somehow replaced like 70% of the roster from 1-15
in 2 and a half offseasons.. Including landing a top-flight LT, a franchise QB, 2 starting CB’s, a superstar WR and ILB, one of the top OL’s in football… yeah they suck.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
yea and they are the same ones who...
just got Brandon Marshall without using a 1st round pick
the ones who just recouped our 2nd round pick and still got a good player
No one is perfect, the trifecta has made mistakes, but its hard to question them considering we were a 1-15 team the season before they took over
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
we got to 1-15
because of making BAD draft picks and all fans hated ginn and where is he. . and taking a corner/safety from tenn . .
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
um hello McFLY!!
Trifecta took over after they went 1-15 not before
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
also the Ginn pick was not Parcells
I think many forget that
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
and since 1-15
85-90% of our draft picks are still on the roster, and they’ve had remarkable success in the 2 drafts our FO has presided over.
You are judging this pick before even seeing the guy practice, before seeing what other picks we make, before seeing who else we pick up in trades/FA, before seeing how our current roster shakes out, and before seeing how any other need is filled through all of that..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn I hate agreeing with NICKY!!
Stop making sense!! I like it more when I think you are hitting the crack pipe!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
you should agree with me more often
I usually have a clue, especially when finster is disagreeing with me ;-)
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, now the world is back in order
Because I don’t agree with that comment! LOL
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
don't belee da hype, lol
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
we also dont really know if White is a bad pick yet
Lets see how he fits on this team next season, what he looks like
I agree on Gabril, bad choice, but no one is perfect
Their good picks have severely outweighed their bad ones
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
yes trust them
because these are the same people who got:
Jake Long
Chad Henne
Vontae Davis
Sean Smith
Karlos Dansby
Brandon Marshall
Richie Incognito
Mike Nolan
Brain Hartline
Davone Bess
Chad Pennington
Camron Wake
Fasano (he’ll bounce back)
they have made WAY more great decisions! than bad ones. and yes EVERY organization makes a few bad decisions. get over it. not every player is going to be a homerun
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We get the top-rated guy at his position
a high-motor, high-character guy, who’s versatile and gives us a ton of flexibility to trade or move guys around on the DL. I wouldn’t exactly call him crap. Maybe you should check out for a little while, the sky isn’t falling just yet cowboy.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
NO NAT! Go to your room!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
OH NO YOU DIDN'T
Did you just send Nat to her room?? That’s a bit extreme isn’t it Nicky??
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a rebel
I live on the edge lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
no he's just confused and old
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I though Sam was the confused one
Or is that me? I can’t remember? What day is today?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Slow down Nat
You are out of control!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
who cares about top at position
would you have been happy is we drafted LT
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
you only play 1 LT for the season unless he gets hurt
we had 4 DE’s log significant playing time for us last year… not the same situation. We rotate DL, Odrick steps into the rotation.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
how many FS
how many FS do you play? cause we have NONE> and that is exactly my point we had 4 players at that position last year and they all played VERY well
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
we played 3 guys at FS last year
2 of them are still on the team.. and we got rid of the worst.. facts are facts.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, you have reached your limit of making valid points Nicky!
NO MORE!!! I am starting to worry about the world…….
Raiders draft a semi-intelligent draft pick. Nicky makes sense….what’s next? The world ends?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
END OF THE WORLD!!!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
well said Nicky....thats we tony wants. all those characteristics you just mentioned. We'll plug him in...and we'll have a great rotation throughout the game.
I still believe Charlie Anderson will get some great reps this year. We’re growing….growing really strong.
by Phins4life2334 on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
root for my foot up your ......
hows that sound
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
like a Jets fan hahahahaha
sorry, couldn’t resist.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
didn't say you were
just sounded like one.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Well at this point your demeanor says you belong there. Perhaps you want to
rethink that.
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by texascowpunk on Apr 23, 2010 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah I see how we did on the field
burned in secondary all year no one could cover TE. . and no pass rush.
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Wake is starting full-time
Dansby upgrades our TE coverage issues. And there’s 8 more picks in this draft at our disposal.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
fine we are going 0-16, you were right, everyone else is clueless.
happy?
by Natalya on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When did Cam get back
and how did he escape that dirt-buried-Chevy I dumped him in, two years ago?
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John Beck dug him out
he’s good at digging holes
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
no, not at all
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
you just said we had no pass rush last year.
and thats exactly what Odrick brings!!!!!! so why are you complaining???
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m confused. Everything I read says that he was not great in pass rush and that he does better against the run. Also, in a 3-4 the pass rush generally comes from the OLBs. Just looking at the stats I don’t see much that stands out. He had a two sack game against Iowa in ’08 and seems to have feasted on poor teams otherwise.
I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m just wondering what you are reading/seeing that leads you to believe he’s a great pass rusher.
Well when they play all those CB's we will just have to run on them.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Cromartie sucks BTW
Only Revis scares me and a rookie isnt going to make an imediate impact
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by Patssuck456 on Apr 23, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
this^
but not excatly that^
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
I agree on both counts
Cromartie had one good year in terms of INTs….that’s it. He doesn’t play solid, consistant defense.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously they're not too sold on Cromartie if they drafted a CB in the first round...
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
Then again... they may be planning to double Marshall...
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lol still won't work
can’t stop the beast
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
revis
shut down every reciever he played against. . A little guy named A. Johnson. . ETC. . so dont post stupid crap
by virginiafinfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately I have to agree with you on this.
I haven’t agreed with much you have said, but I do tend to agree with this.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Revis is a beast for sure
But I’ll match up Marshall on him and feel pretty good about our chances.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know...Revis played AJ as tough as anyone and I think AJ
Is about as tough of a match up as there is at WR. If Marshall gets the best of him I will be very happy.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I don’t know if Marshall will light him up by any stretch, but I don’t think we have to be scared of that side anymore.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
frees the field up for others
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What did I tell you Nicky!! NO MORE MAKING SENSE!
(Banging head against the wall) Someone make the bad man go away!!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
lol when will you realize that I know what I'm talking about?
hahaha
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Well at least I don't have to listen to the Spiller or Bryant discussions anymore
I am relieved about that! And I am happy that we went defense, even though it isn’t someone I am familiar with, or a position that I had ranked as a huge need.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
once Spiller was taken
I was happy with moving down and getting a 2nd.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I still would've liked Morgan
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah I wouldn't have been disappointed with that either
I do think it’s pretty interesting that no 3-4 team took an OLB prospect though..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I found that interesting too
I was really surprised with a lot of the picks between the 11-25 mark. Just goes to show the experts know little more than we do!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that's good....you were happy and no more Spiller discussions!
We are both winners!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
we'll be talking about him twice a year
unfortunately…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Good thing is that he got drafted by the Bills
That doesn’t scare me too much, even though they beat us last year.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah my biggest fear is he beats us like a drum like Thurman used to
although.. I hated the kid for 4 years, I’m guessing after seeing him once in that Bills jersey, it’ll all come back to me lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That was my first thought.
Defense against Marshall and Moss. Plus, they had no really pressing needs, so they could do anything they wanted.
Got dysentery and died while on the Vincent Jackson Bandwagon.
Marshall Plan
Anyone else think that the Jets and Pats made their picks because B Marsh is in MIami? It reminds me of how the NFC North (Central at the time) went crazy drafting DBs the year after Moss was a rookie.
Heheh…
it won't help. B^p
we are coming for them….
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That was kinda my thinking
Cromartie is really (contrary to what their fans may think) a massive liability. Wilson was a brilliant pick, they got BPA alongside a need.
-FF
yeah how ironic is that...
jets make a solid pick and al davis makes the rational selection while denver’s draft night ends with everyone reciting bible versus with tim…
my head head spun like that chick from the exorcist when the Raiders picked up McClain
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
yeah I was like "whaaaaa?"
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
better yet...Spiller to the Bills!?!? let me get this right... they have Marshawn Lynch AND Fred Jackson
but want ANOTHER RB to run behind a swiss cheese O Line?
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
Marshawn is as good as gone
I’m pissed at that pick, do not want to play that kid twice a year.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a great RB
improve the line.. itll pay dividends..
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Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
Fred Jackson ran behind the same OL
and was clearly better. Lynch is gone.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry but with captain checkdown
or even the professor (fitzpatrick) at QB, that offense is still quite mediocre
I agree
Spiller just has that Leon Washington look about him, in the way that I’ll be holding my breath every time he touches the ball.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah that's what I heard too
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
well we'll see what aug/sept brings us
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
They are going to get rid of Lynch
His 3.8 YPC just isn’t getting it done…..AND they need to sell tickets
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I was watching the draft with my brother. He's a Jags fan...
He was speechless.
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
you want to know my reaction to the Jags pick..
“Who the fuck is that?” lol
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you thought AL Davis did good?
i was really surprised by the McClain pick that early
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a much smarter pick than the majority of his previous 1st rd endeavors
and while a complete crotch-stain, Cable is a very good LB coach.
-FF
and McClain will be solid...
more than can be said about what, every raiders 1st round pick since Nmandi?
I think they are very aware of the division they are in
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
another CB?
I still haven’t been convinced that Revis can “shut down” Marshall. Last time they met Marshall went 5 catches for 55 yards. Tell me that you would not be happy with that kind of production against him?
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 23, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
you are the essence of pesimism
Were going to run all over them. were going to throw all over them. let the season get going.
by Anothertidbit on Apr 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He is the same size as Jay Ratliff
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I cant wait to see what we get in the 7th lol
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t to long ago when washington went out and signed a laundry list of NFL stars on their way out of the league in hopes of winning a championship. I wonder how that worked out for them?
by kermit the frogger29 on Apr 23, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
This night seems to be quite the condemnation of Kindle.
The red flags on him must be through the roof. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if they passed on him again 40 if he’s there.
Got dysentery and died while on the Vincent Jackson Bandwagon.
something tells me Nolan had a major hand in this cuz
we have the peices to easily switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3 if Odrick gets (bigger?, Bulkier?)
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
were not switching to a 4-3
didnt we just switch to a 3-4. why would we go back now? plus Nolan ran a 3-4 in Denver. im pretty sure he switched them to a 3-4
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh andNate Allen for 40!!!
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
But look at the bright side Matty...
the Triad probably has 9 months before the mob with torches and pitchforks come for them. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions
... are you hinting at something?
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enough time to build a moat...
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
yeah, i hear they are looking for work lately
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
they're Xi now
changed their name
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
... as long as there are bad guys...
… they will have work…
heh heh heh
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Dez Bryant didn’t go in the top 10 and wasn’t even the first WR taken…
i'm out.
video games for a bit to take my mind off of things.. and then bed
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
this was really stressful this evening..
sitting around waiting for that phone to ring….
and now i gotta do it again tomorrow =(
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
peace
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
anyone with a number posing as a letter/letters, is a n00b, n00b
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
n00b, lol
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not staying awake for it... gotta rest up for Draft day 2
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
what we could of had instead
I bet that Earl Thomas is going to be a pro bowler this season.
doubtful
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
I'll admit
I wasn’t exactly thrilled with this pick but there weren’t many options. Jerry Hughes is a project. Kindle is undersized.
Lastly, I don’t know why everyone is so pissed off at the trifecta. Did anyone hear about the Rams for the 800th time tonight? They are 6-42 over the past three years! Imagine if we finished 2-14 and 3-13 the last two seasons. Then I’d be all for the torching. Sure, last year our team regressed, but we’ve gotten some good players this offseason. And we drafted for value instead of reaching for need.
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i'm not pissed..
rather the logic of the pick isn’t obvious….at least not yet, but i bet it will become more so in the coming days/weeks
it did not fill a need, however good he may be, which I think is pretty damn good
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
nicky thinks they'll rearrange some pieces
which will then make it clear that he does fulfill a need.
we’ll see.
basically i assume, for now, they simply went BPA
I think that's the most logical approach to this pick..
If he just fits into a 5-man rotation, then yeah, it was just BPA and probably not a very good pick based on what our roster looks like.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
if he's a very good player though, can it be considered a BAD pick, did you take philosophy in school, lol
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
not a bad pick
just not a great pick.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
this now a philosophical question, lol
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
okay, can't leave b4 saying
it MAY have filled a need and you don’t see it yet…
I think if he improves the pass rush of the front 3 or 4 (depending on the set), it may make our safety (whoever that is) and OLBs look much better.
ja’know?
ok, now i’m out.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
amico or amigo?
LOL
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They dont even know how they are going 2 use him yet. Great 1st round pick. For those who say Sergio Kindle might still be there at pick 40. GUESS WHAT!!!!! He was there at 28. This DT (DE), had a better chance being there at 40. Waisted pick.
I don't want Kindle on this team, period.
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very likely Odrick would not have been there at 40
how about you wait and see how the rest of this shakes out before you criticize
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahahaha
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, Ginn and White
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
who
and who? lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The Broncos traded away a Pro Bowl WR with 100+ catches in 3 consec. seasons...
and draft a kid who has never run routes other than a 9-route and a bubble screen. J-Mac is now a genius… and by genius I mean idiot.
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
and by idiot i mean moron, lol
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
and by moron I mean...
buffoon
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
and by buffoon I mean average Jets fan
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
and by average Jets fan
I mean common kitchen sponge
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and by common kitchen sponge I actually mean
an old Jets jersey someone threw at me last week
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
and by common kitchen sponge
I mean the frothy brown foam that floats on the sewage dump
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, thats Rex Ryan
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
can you say spergon here
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
why you sneaky so and so
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
McDaniels will be fired in 2 years
they dumped a proven Qb and a beast of a WR for a WR who played at a school who throws the ball 5 times a game and a QB who doesnt know how to throw..yea good luck scoring
and by 2 years i mean 23 mins
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
and by 23 mins I mean
.. no wait.. that’s right.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He HAS to win this season or he's out
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
Have we really gotten to the point where, if you can't create a dynasty in two years, you're out as head coach?
Because I don’t think so. He’ll have his four-six years, especially in Denver, where people tend to be pretty patient with sports franchises.
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Can't wait for JJ or Nolly to win NL Cy Young 2010!
Yeah I agree.
Especially with a young coach. I would say that he has 4 years minimum to win.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
A proven QB who has...proven he can throw a whole lot of interceptions
Cutler is not (and was never) an upper-echelon QB, so I still don’t understand what difference replacing him makes.
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Can't wait for JJ or Nolly to win NL Cy Young 2010!
The difference ....
Cutler cries about himself… How he was mistreated. Tebow cries that he is going to win games for his fans.
I think this year if he doesn’t start he comes in as a Wildcat QB, only with much less chance of being Pat Whited because of his size. If they can correct his throwing motion who says that he can not be a good QB?
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 23, 2010 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Never doubt the Tuna...
i like this pick, cuz i’m pretty sure parcells and ireland know more about these guys than we do.
right
I can’t just say “well, it must be a good pick because we made it.” Trying to see WHY we made this pick, and what our guys could see that made them take this guy..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was the best 3-4 DE in the draft, was he just soo much higher on their board than any LB/FS/NT?
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
at 28?
maybe so… who knows?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
that has got to be it, unless a trade, then why are we moving sideways
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
a fans blind faith has nothing to do with how many games a team wins.
nothing we say here matters or affects what happens on the field.
every single NFL fan has to have faith in there team
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why do we have to have faith if it has "nothing to do with how many games a team wins"
It would be foolish to have faith in your team if you were a Raiders fan or a Bills fan, etc.
are we Raider and Bills fans here??
no
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and even if we were. u still have faith in them, hoping that they are making the right decisions
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you can if you like
misplaced faith is just naivete
i do.
thats why i am stress and worry free. unlike you. if you want to yell to the football gods because you favorite NFL team didnt pick the player you wanted go ahead.
me, im just going to assume its the right move and get on with my day. its there job to put together a great football team. not mine
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 4:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Enjoy that!
And I’m not yelling at any gods. I don’t hate the pick.
But “having faith” and “being optimistic” are two different things.
You go ahead and demean faith by placing it in any thing that happens by, instead of things that deserve it. Every NFL team does not deserve it, I promise you.
i think you take football to seriously
take a chill pill bro! grab a bud! kick it with your buds and just be happy that you are even able to enjoy things like football and the draft! not everyone is lucky enough to enjoy things like this.
god, you make it sound like if i believe in what the Trio is doing im going to have lightning struck upon me!
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 4:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude, you are wrong again.
I got out of the hot tub a little while ago and I’m chill as hell.
I’m sorry you don’t like being corrected. But people here are going to analyze football. It’s kind of a football site.
If you don’t care, then don’t bother replying when people correct you.
i think you just want to be correct. you want to enforce what you think on to ppl.
and yes. i thought about the pick. i came to the conclusion it was a good pick. i looked at his stats and read some stuff on him.
sorry im not digging into every single thing about the kids life. im just not as cool as you i guess. sorry but Miami’s pick makes sense. theres really no reason for me to question it.
and again. its not my job. my life, work, and pride isnt on the line with these draft picks. so they liked him, i like the pick.
the only thing i think you proved is the arrogance in your comments. but w.e. im done with you.
im going to go to bed, then wake up and go enjoy life. have fun arguing with ppl on the internet
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 4:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, good lord.
You still think I hate the pick for some reason?
You’re funny, dude. Have fun.
My point is that asking me if we were Raider or Bills fans was ridiculous...
…since your statement was about all fans.
Let me illustrate, simplified:
You: ALL FANS should have faith in their teams!
Me: Not Bills fans
You: We’re not Bills fans!
Me: So…. not so much “all” then?
See the problem?
no
please explain it to me again.
your just so awsome. i could read your posts all day!
can you please tell me the meaning of life?
yes i get what i said. i quickly posted a follow up saying even if we were bills fans…..
see your problem?
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 4:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See, then if I was you...
I wouldn’t have continued to sarcastically argue the point, when I knew I had erred.
But that’s just me.
do you have friends?
i just have a hard time seeing anyone wanting to hangout with you?
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 4:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL.
I’ll ask them.
“Why do you guys hang out with me? "
“Why the hell would you ask that?”
“I don’t know. Some guy on the internet thought I was mean for correcting him.”
much laughter
“Tell him it’s because you brought weed.”
“No, no. Tell him it’s because we want to sleep with your sister.”
“I don’t have a sister.”
“He doesn’t know that. Hell, he think Kendall Langford sucks.”
“Good point.”
i never said Langford sucks. i said hes average.
plus. this is how i see it going down
some person comes up to you. “hey bro. you want to hangout? everything has been going so great for me lately, i just need someone to enforce every reason why i should be unhappy on to me, and tell me im wrong about everything”
you – “what are you talking about mom? i dont do that! now can you please get out of my room! im arguing with men on the internet!”
mom – “there you go again telling me im wrong!”
and if you would really take something someone said to you on thr internet to your “friends” it proves one of 2 things, one – you have got nothing better to talk about. or two- you just made that up. sad sad sad. oh well. ima go kick it with my girl n watch the draft
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok, its bedtime. Peace ya'll
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
thats true but they’re both 4-3 defensive tackles like odrick…in a 3-4 odrick is a DE which we already have a pro bowl alternate in starks and 2 other solids DE’s in langford and merling we needed 4 things in this draft: FS, OLB, DT, TE….and instead we take a DE when arguably the 2 best pass rushing outside linebackers are still available in hughes and kindle…this was a huge mistake…odrick is good don’t get me wrong but he was a luxaury pick and didn’t fill a need…dumb dumb dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
obviously you havent been reading
odrick can play pretty much anywhere on the line, which will allow us to move pieces around
we also struggled at rushing the QB and this guy is a monster at that.
Dont judge the pick until you see how all the other picks and FA signings are laid out and certainly not until you see how he fits into the scheme
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yes just because Odrick doesnt fill a positional need.
he does fill a need. we need better pass-rushers, we got one.
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is he a monster pass rusher? I haven’t heard that anywhere but here. I’ve actually heard the opposite.
um only everywhere
the guy sheds blockers and gets after the QB, that is what he does best
aka a monster pass rusher
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
he doesnt get any sacks. His numbers were never that great. He is very disruptive..
by Phins4life2334 on Apr 23, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
... and doesn't wait his turn to talk...
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Can you give me an example of where you heard this? I’m really not trying to be difficult but everything I’ve read has said otherwise. I don’t see much different in his stats although that’s not neccessarily the best barometer.
McShay talked about his 7 sacks were not typical where he averaged 3 and 4 the years before. He gets to the QB but doesnt finish, but a hurry is just as good as a sack in most cases. I Like the Kid. He can play any position on our front.
by Phins4life2334 on Apr 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, because taking a huge risk on two converted defensive ends is a bright idea
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you must remember that all, yes ALL of our OLBs were DEs in college and beyond
Anderson, Moses, Porter, and both Roth and Taylor were DEs in college and the NFL, Wake in college and the CFL, this is just the way of things
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by uncle finster on Apr 23, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Odrick can be apart of winning team with little contribution
and be praised like a demi-god.
Or he can make plays all over the field and be deified if we aren’t winning games.
Impossible to judge a DT/DE in the 3-4 without seeing major contributions.
I think they got it right – I want them to get it right – and besides, the real talent is in the 2nd round, where we got a pick.
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties.
In case you're curious
(Just because I had to read your post a few times to figure out what I was missing)
Deified actually means “made a god of.” I’m guessing you meant to put demonized.
Senior Bowl
Remember as well that our coaching staff got a feel for him in the Senior Bowl and they obviously liked what they saw…
obviously jtdolphins you havent read a scouting report on odrick…the guy cannot play nose tackle in a 3-4 unless he gains at least 30 pounds…the knock on odrick is that he isnt strong at the point of attack…what the heck do u think the nose tackle position is…and all the other linebackers on the phins were converted DE’s but they fit the mold6’1 to 6’5 250 pounds…odrick is 300 pounds!!!! he’s not gonna be able to run down a runninback on the outside or cover anyone…the only pt odrick will get is on ovbious passing 3rd down situations cause u can have a liter DT on in those situations…he’s not gonna start over starks or langford so he is a luxary pick!!! he dosen’t fill a need!!! and if u would actually rather have him thatn hughes or kindle when we r in dire need of an outside linebacker you are a RI TARD!!!!!!
He's clearly better than you think
He’s was the second best starter on our defense last year.
According to ProFootballFocus
Of 3-4 DEs to take at least 25% of the snaps last year, Starks is #2, Langford is #7 and Merling is #15. I would think that DE is not an issue on our defense right now.
Dolphins and Gators baby!
drafting him to sit on the bench would be stupid.
and he sure as hell isnt taking Starks spot. That leaves 1 person!!!! guess whoooo???? Langford!!!!!!!!!!
thats right he will start over langford!
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 3:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So we drafted Langford to sit on the bench... how is that not stupid?
We will rotate, we will show 4-man fronts and/or he will play NT, at least on 3rd downs.
Come on.
was Langford a 1st round pick?
no.
big difference.
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 4:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, so you mean you play first rounders no matter what.
You’re a “sunk cost” guy.
And what do I care if Merling or Langford gets traded, as long as the return is good? You keep assuming I am things that I am not.
The only thing I don’t like is bad analysis and untrue statements. Like “Langford is not that good.” That just shows someone who isn’t actually watching Dolphins games or studying the sport.
i hope you dont have a heart attack if Merling or Langford gets traded
by phinfan20 on Apr 23, 2010 4:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is possible that Odrick
ends up at NT and no one gets traded
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 23, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
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It wasn't a luxary pick the pick was based on NEED!
that is if you want to run a sucessful hybrid defense. Yes that’s right are defense will resemble a hard-nose in the trenches toyota prius. Mike Nolan has proven that he is a believer in both defensive systems, he “believes in teaching the 3-4 first and then applying 4-3 principles in his game planning.”
http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story?id=09000d5d80a518b3&template=without-video&confirm=true
by kermit the frogger29 on Apr 23, 2010 2:51 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe it's just me but
I really didn’t see anyone that the FO would get REALLY excited about at the #12 pick, except for maybe Berry but they don’t normally pick safeties in the 1st round and there was no chance of getting him anyway. If you look at what they like for the 1st round – oversized strong guys who have played/started for 3 years and were leaders on the team, then not many of the names floated about would seem to excite the big Tuna.
So they traded down. I don’t know a lot about Odrick, but he seems to fit the Tuna’s criteria. I wonder how he ranked among the DL “tweeners” in the draft? I also wonder if you have a NT that struggles at times, will putting a top tweener next to him will give offenses fits? If you put him next to Ferguson…?
He is one of our starting DEs and a 3rd down NT...
He is also one of our DTs when we switch to a 4-3. If we go Cody with pick 40 that is the direction we are taking with this guy. We move Merling to SOLB after dropping back to 270 and we have a lot more solutions than we have questions. We can come back with a TE or another OLB in round 3. Draft the whatever we don’t draft in round 3 in round 4. Add a G in the later rounds as well as a FS in case we can not land either OJ Atogwe or Darren Sharper. I still think Chris Clemons can be a good coverage FS. I don’t think the front office didn’t play him because he was awful in coverage. I think it was because we needed our best tackling FS back there because the guys up front were just that bad and they knew if the FS doesn’t make the tackle it is going for a TD.
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
If we go with an OLB then...
They think they can pack 20 lbs on this kid and make him our starting NT. Merling stays at DE as a backup, and we still have both NT and OLB solved with the first 2 picks. You can not go by what Mayock says, because Mayock is a draft expert and not a coach. He may know a player’s value now, but he might have no idea what Sparano can get out of him. If Mayock says this guy is not a NT, but they are confident that they have the ability to turn this kid into a NT, I am going to go with the guys that coach football players for a living.
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 23, 2010 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions
If we go FS, TE, WR, etc...
Then I really don’t know what are plans are for this pick ……
OK... so we draft Jared Odrick DE/3rd down NT... come back at 40 with Terrence Cody NT(then cut Soliai), then have Merling lose 20 lbs and move to SOLB? Jimmy Graham with the 73rd pick? OJ Atogwe, will you please come to Miami??
by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 23, 2010 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions
it is a great pick
i can’t beleive how many of you were disappointed last night lol.
Can’t wait to see him play, We can still get Kindle today or Koa Misi
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Agree
I live 20 minuets from this kids home town. He was well coached at Penn State. He has a motor that dosent quit and is versatile. He can shed blocks with the best of them. I was shocked with the pick, but he is a quality player that many teams had him on thier boards as
mid to late 1st round pick. Dont be surprised if he starts
The trifecta know what they are doing thats why they have jobs and we are all sitting here
discussing it
We all have to remember one thing...
Regardless of this pick (which is growing on me, I have to think they knew more about him than we did) we are a much improved team today, than we were yesterday…and we’re a significantly better team than we were at the end of last season…only positives…and I’m sure there will be some surprises today and tomorrow as well!
he sucks
Just on ui was tube and this guy didn’t make 1 play well I hope nolan. Knows what he’s doing I dnt no what he’s doing we past up on so many good playrs man I’m soo
by Ryan Matzenauer on Apr 23, 2010 7:19 AM EDT reply actions
Can't always go on need
Sometimes everything isn’t based on need. Do we even know what our true needs are? Maybe FS wasn’t as big of a need because Clemons is developing well to them. So Earl Thomas wasn’t needed as badly so we traded down. NT can still be addressed very easily and without reaching at number 28 since Cody and Thomas aren’t worth it that high. We could still get Cam Thomas in the 3rd and I would be very happy with that. If you have a bull rushing DE that can collapse the pocket then a pass rushing OLB isn’t as big of a need. You put the bull rusher on 1 side and Cam Wake on the other and the QB can’t go anywhere. There are very good OLBs still available. Even with our extra 4th rounder now we can go Eric Norwood OLB from SC. This is a coverage OLB that can also produce sacks. We also grabbed ILB Tim Dobbins who isn’t great but is decent in coverage situations. There are still tons of options. We have an extra 4th now and that opens up even more. Able to grab a decent TE without wasting a pick that could have been used on defense. Next 2 days should be very exciting.
Draft Earl Thomas Bandwagon!
Damn
I missed this. It was fun reading though…
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Morons
Complaining the pick wasn’t sexy enough.
Guess what if we’d have taken Sergio we’d all be complaining we got another Wake, because the dude is garbage against the run.
If Nolan thinks we can start a rookie FS with success, then I'm all for it. Otherwise, I really REALLY hate to see us endup with both a weak pass and run defense... So otherwise get the NT!
Mornin folks...
I can’t say I was thrilled with this pick, because I thought it’d be Kindle or Hughes. With the depth at NT/DT remaining in this draft, which we’ve discussed at nauseum, and the dire need of a pass rusher opposite Wake, this pick is still a head-scratcher, IMHO.
That said, I hope Kindle or Sapp fall to us at #40…because the thought of going with Cody in the 2nd round sickens me.
Then again, at least I’m not a Raiders fan…LOL.
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Also sensing that our next pick will be Kindle, Sapp or Washington...
Let’s just keep in mind that at 28 we had both Hughes and Kindle, two of the best OLB in the draft. The FO chose NOT to pick them, so it’s all part of the plan. It’s not like we traded down and lost those pick options, no…they CHOSE to pick Odrick, consciously.
Maybe their fave OLB is a 2nd rounder (Sapp?). Maybe they think that NT is a bigger need (I read somewhere that Odrick has almost the same weight as Fergie when he was drafted by the Tuna – they’ll probably use him as a NT throughout the season). I don’t know. I’m trying to be cool with it, really. =) IT’S NOT EASY though.
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IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
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Im still thinking about this guy for tomorow
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim for a 3-4 OLB convert
reminds me of Jason Taylor comin out of Akron late in the draft
but nowhere near as athletic would be a nice 4th rounder
This^
A sleeper pick with prototypical size.
Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!
how about
Jason worilds from VT in the 3rd or 4th?
Or both...
I think we’ll double down on OLBs this draft.
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We all better be ready to be wrong Again
Now that we’ve all been blindsided by the Odrick pick it’s time to put aside our beliefs about knowing these players. Your all setting yourselves up for another fall. It’s crazy to expect different results. They don’t pick players based off of the internet grades. Like Charley Casserly said last night we don’t have all the access to all of the information such as Personality tests and Medical tests.
Leaving thomas on the board at 12
and trading down says alot to me about the phins plan to possibly push for Oshiomogho Atogwe come June 1st… just saying..
I don't know...
First, I guess Atogwe would cost a lot. And we already spent a lot on this year’s trades. But that would be sweet, I can tell you that.
Second, not everyone is a fan of Thomas. A lot of people think that he’s way too small, so maybe they were only willing to pick Berry at 1st rd. They might feel that Thomas wouldn’t be much of a upgrade compared to 2nd/3rd rounders, I don’t know.
The FO obviously has a plan
They know we got needs (b4 the BM trade I didn’t know if they knew what they were).
We will find out more of their plan today, They obviously have their eye on some guys they feel pretty comfortable with. I guess we are so use to stupid picks over the past 15 yrs or so, we panic when we don’t understand a pick right off.
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Maybe runnin some 4-3 or even 4-4 defense. Odrick makes sense then.
With Dansby in the middle lber spot and an excess at dt’s and de’s who know maybe….
We do have a new D-coordinator, we would have more pressure on the front.. Odrick in a Shade nose or man on DT
Yea. I get the hybrid 4-3. But nolan is a master @ the 3 -4. Maybe he just realized he doesnt have enough pieces right now for a 3 -4
by Phins4life2334 on Apr 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
"Sergio Kindle probably skipped in first round because of injury"
Explains passing on Kindle, not on Hughes.
As I said above, the FO probably has spotted a good/cheaper OLB in the 2nd round.
i have a feeling the FO will pick kindle if he drops witht he 40th pick
and i think he will unless someone trades up to get him.
i like the idea of using a 3rd on OLB (preferably) or FS
i think we can find some value at FS in the 4th, possibly in jones or wright.
rounds 5-7 can be depth and possibly pick up a BIG NT, someone that can take up multiple players. besides that i dont see this FO taking a “true” NT, i think they are comfortable with solai for the 1st 8 games. not to mention with odrick (who will be a most likely be a starter) our line is instantly upgraded. and with dansby at ILB, run stopping isnt a HUGE issue. pick up a OLB and FS and some depth in the later rounds will solidify this defense
draft micah johnson
I like your thinking on this
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hahaha thanks
but knowing how the FO works, which NO ONE DOES, they will probably do something no one expects
draft micah johnson
I agree Kindle Must be the pick @ 40
I think there is some true value in the 3rd. We all know this…I’m not sure what Smiley can get for us. Maybe a 4th? But Nate Allen is still out there in the S role. I honestly feel Kindle won’t be there @ 40. Someone in those first 8 will take him if nothing changes which won’t happen. Some might jump in but it could be for McCoy/Clausen.
by Phins4life2334 on Apr 23, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he has a legit shot, unless a team trades up
vikings and rams will probably go OT
browns will probably go QB, mccoy or clausen
that leaves bucs, chiefs, eagles, and raiders
draft micah johnson
After Taking a While to Think About this Selection, It Makes Sense
The sign the read stuff about drafting “prototypical players” should have clued us all in. Hughes wouldn’t have been the pick – he’s 6’1" which is about 2-3 inches shorter than the Dolphins “prototypical” rush linebacker. Sergio is a closer match, but obviously they aren’t too high on him, at least in the 1st round.
Now, where do we go from here? I look for maybe the safety from South Florida to be our next pick. Prototypical size/speed/abilities that this FO looks for. If he’s gone, then I am not sure.
Rd. 3 and 4, I see us taking the following 2 players:
- Torell Troup DT Central Florida: again, prototypical size/weight for a Parcells DT. He dominated in East/West Shrine game. 6’3" 315lbs
- Ricky Sapp OLB Clemson: 6’4" 250lbs. He is the perfect size for the Parcells outside linebacker. I can definately see us getting him in rounds 3 or 4
by Jonathan McCarter on Apr 23, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
Just Guessing
I think they may double down on the NT position with a 2 down player in the 2nd or 3rd. I believe they are confident they can get a couple of linebackers later. I won’t mention any names but I would pay attention to dimensions. Kindle will not likely make it to the 40th pick.
Now that we do have Odrick Mt. Cody does start to make some since here somewhere in the second.
This move would make sense to me with Cody’s ability to stop the run. Keep in there on first and second downs and obvious running situatios, goal-lines ect. With pairing the two picks together they equall the the answer to the sum of our problems.
projecting buffula picking clausen
wouldnt that be something, they need OL but this guy has potential to be great, not to mention getting drafting this late buts a HUGE chip on his shoulder. im sure right now he just wants to get drafted and prove EVERYONE wrong. imagine henne, sanchez, brady, and clausen all in the same division.
draft micah johnson
MARVIN!!!!!
GLAD YOU ARE HERE TO CHEER THINGS UP!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What was our biggest issue on Defense last year?
Getting torched by TEs because our Lbs couldnt cover. And it was the safetys that burned us in the slot. We got pressure on the QB enough and we took care of the run fairly well. But the big deal is that our safetys and Lbs CANT COVER, that’s what needs to be fixed.
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
1/2 a Phinsider Fued Point
Pressure on the QB
Was actually a problem last year. We did have a lot of sacks, but there wasn’t a lot of pressure otherwise. Most of the time, QBs had plenty of time to find their open receivers.
I do agree, we need to improve on coverage, too. However, this is a good pick for us—it makes our defense better if he pans out.
Love the pick!
When I heard on Sirius NFL radio that Miami had traded down to 28 (knowing Earl Thomas would be gone by then) I hoped they got Odrick (instead of Williams…the Cards can have him! Boo to Tennessee first rounders!)…and they got him! Thrilled! Otherwise he’d have gone to the Jets.
I like the pick, a lot
At first I was disappointed because I always thought we were stacked at DE. But, aside from Starks, all of our guys are “solid” rather than being great. Jared Odrick was the consensus best 3-4 DE in the draft (outside Suh and McCoy, 4-3 DT’s). He’s huge, which is prototypical. When you think about it, if we have a team full of prototype players, that’s a huge advantage. Teams won’t be used to playing a team as big as us, so it gives us an advantage similar to how teams used to have to change their gameplan because they weren’t used to the Wildcat.
Also, he’ll most likely start at 3-4 DE. We assume that, yes. But he’s also a hybrid player who could gain some weight and maybe play the NT some. His versatility is awesome in that it gives us depth. Let’s assume he puts on about 15 lbs…now he could play the DE position and he could serviceably split reps with our NT (whoever that may be, Soliai or whatever).
Also, don’t forget who our Defensive Coordinator is. Mike Nolan is famous for his exotic hybrid 3-4 defense. The key to a hybrid-style defense is that you need versatile, athletic players; Jared Odrick is both prototypical AND versatile/athletic. He’ll most likely play 3-4 DE most of the time and maybe some snaps at 3-4 NT here and there, but on 3rd downs he’ll likely move inside so we can get a better pass rush with more of the pure pass-rushers on our team. Think of him almost like Haloti Ngata; he’s not a pure NT or a pure anything really. However, his versatility REALLY upgrades that defense.
Also, think about it like this: the Patriots REALLY need a great 3-4 DE and the Jets could really use one as well. We know that these guys do have the guts and the firepower to pull the trigger on moving up for a guy like Odrick. So, although I’m sure it wasn’t the main thing on our minds, but you can’t complain when you keep a guy like Odrick from your division rivals.
It's 2010 - do the smart thing. Draft Myron Rolle.
I think the Dolphins make a good run at the playoffs this year, but I think next year we at least get to the Conference Championship. Things are looking great.
LOL
it’s funny you mentioned Ngata, because I was just going to talk about the Ravens.
That is what I am beginning to think of when I think of the D-line we are putting together.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant believe you guys are trippin after a 28th pick...
This draft is so deeeeeep and we got more pickups! I am so happy we did what we did. We’ll go after our olb’s and still probably land them later in the draft!
Close Body Type
Agreed….The guy is 6’5 296 lbs. and Jason F is 6’3 310 lbs. If the guy says he can gain some weight then why wouldn’t he be a good NT in a 3-4 defense? What makes OLB so dangerous in a 3-4 is a front three that can get to the quarterback without having to blitz everyone to do it. If this guy can get in through the middle and collapse the pocket then any OLB will look like a stud. You give me Starks, Merling, Langford, and Oldrick as our rotational front three…I say watch out Brady/Sanchez! Because they will be on their ass a lot more this season with Mike Nolan as our def Cord.
by elginsports34 on Apr 23, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No to KINDLE!!!!!
Kindle has an injured Knee and fell off peoples boards completely. He could miss the entire season due to knee surgery. NO TO KINDLE! Maybe the 5th round.
Draft Earl Thomas Bandwagon!
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