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Ciao JT...Hello new OLB..

With modern satellite and communications technologies being what they are, many people have come to expect a plethora of choices in their media and television channel choices.

 

Unfortunately, we seem to be momentarily behind the times here on this blog. All of which makes me wonder if  I am the only one who has had (more than) enough of channel JT vs FO?? Doubtful I know, but it can feel a bit er, shall we say, odd to seemingly be one of the few who isn't vehemently condemning or condoning what's happened.

We're seeing more thn a few fanposts, one after another where people are essentially saying the equivalent of 'this sucks/rocks and anyone who disagrees with me is a moron'. Ahem...

Whether you love the move, hate it, think JT and/or the FO are horrible, the messiah, the antichrist, satan, the Leviathan, or out to lunch...........after the jump are two facts that are inescapable regardless of your position on JT & the FO...

Star-divide

1 - JT is not a Miami Dolphin anymore

2- A newly drafted OLB will be a Miami Dolphin. Sorry I'm not buying Moses/Anderson as the answer...

So let's move forward shall we?

I'd like to get some solid community feedback from my fellow fantabulous phinsiders on this very topic.

How about answering these questions in the following format:

A - where does OLB rank in the list of priorities for Miami in this draft? Is it #1? #2? #5? Simple, right? Good :-)

B - Which outside LB would you pick and when/where (as in round)?

Let's keep this simple and go with our draft order as is at present, thus no wacky 4 way trades that net us 3 second round picks (nice as that would be). By the way, this point isn't asking who you think the best guy is, but rather who is the best  combination of talent & value among OLB's for us.

C - What do you expect from this player in terms of production next year?

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olber is 1 and 2b in needs

If we cant trade down I mtake Morgan/Kindle in round 1
in round 3 I come back with Sapp if avalable or Worilds if not

If we can trade down to say 24 I take 1) Hughes 2) Burnett or Cam Thomas/Cody 3) Worilds(sslb where Hughes a rush)

3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure

by Blaze453 on Apr 21, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Bravo!

Natalya, as always you are our preminent voice of reason.

Karlos Dansby (check)
Brandon Marshall (check)
C.J. Spiller (check baby, check baby 1,2,3!)

by kdock on Apr 21, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

ummm, preeminent...

Karlos Dansby (check)
Brandon Marshall (check)
C.J. Spiller (check baby, check baby 1,2,3!)

by kdock on Apr 21, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha...is that a good thing? ;-)

Give us your take on our soon to be new OLB…that’s what this is about, moving on up :-)

by Natalya on Apr 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

All Beavers are good!

No matter the size……

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by Alpha6 on Apr 22, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha!

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Apr 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice. This is about OLB, and you bring up a Safety....

I bet you pull on doors when they say push…. LOL

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"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Apr 22, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Pierre-Paul

22 sacks call me crazy baby

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 21, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Crazy Baby!

22+ sacks = Wake anything less and he should consider this year a failure.

TY Bill for BM!
We need defense! NT FS OLB's
we could move W.Allen to FS if we have to.

by 54 on Apr 21, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we will draft 2 OLB's

I feel OLB is the #1 priority but I’m not sure we will be able to address that in round 1. Even if we do i like…

Daniel Te’o-Nesheim in the 3rd round.

Who Ride?
We Ride!

by Madman29 on Apr 21, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

TE'O-NESHEIM!!!!!!

Say it :) My pick! A Sleeper. I was thinking 4th round but i don’t really care 3rd is fine!

TY Bill for BM!
We need defense! NT FS OLB's
we could move W.Allen to FS if we have to.

by 54 on Apr 21, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^^^^

I expect to hear his name called on Saturday for us.

Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!

by The Earl on Apr 21, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohh this would make my draft

Nate Allen to..but we need a high second. Come on Eagles trade up with us!

TY Bill for BM!
We need defense! NT FS OLB's
we could move W.Allen to FS if we have to.

by 54 on Apr 21, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would be a nice scenario to drop 10-15 slots

in the first round….get a better value on a player like Cody & have a nice, new shiny 2nd round pick for a guy like Allen.

by Natalya on Apr 21, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes!

That’s the best case scenario IMO

TY Bill for BM!
We need defense! NT FS OLB's
we could move W.Allen to FS if we have to.

by 54 on Apr 21, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if it isn't little miss change the subject ;^J

And my O my, you have a lot of rules about answering your post, now I do not want to be rude, truly, and yet I am feeling a bit rebelous, so how to answer………………. ah yes, I think this will do;

1
Morgan
a lot

:>)

by uncle finster on Apr 21, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHA! BOLFR!

Ya know it’s funny, JT signing with the jets(there I’ve gone ahead and wrote it;^J) is what put OLB at the top for me, FS was my top the other day, lol.

by uncle finster on Apr 21, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with Morgan now, too.

I got no idea who’ll be around for the 3rd so I won’t say nothing.

(LoL)

by Tunaflipper on Apr 21, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hallooo Finster,

he seems proven (at the puppy level) and unless Nolan sees something on our current roster, he’s the best pop at 12.

(I think)

(LoL)

by Tunaflipper on Apr 21, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like people doesn't like to follow rules or guides. I have no prob with it.

A. Is a #1 priority since we are missing a body there and OLB is very important for a 3-4 Defense.

B. I think Ricky Sapp would be a great value if there in the 3rd round and could have impact right away. Derrick Morgan is the only answer in the 1st, if the FO thinks he IS able to become OLB then is a close deal.

C. I would expect no less than 7 sacks since is what we are losing in Taylor and Porter. Wake should handle othe 7-9 sacks by himself to think we are at we were last season but younger.

Great Post Nat. Rec’d

Tunning the Dez Bryant Wagon
I like E. Thomas & D. Thomas Bandwagon.
Tebow is not 1st round Talent, just saying.

by Mexican_ on Apr 21, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we should trade for Jason Taylor from the Jets.

We could offer a 5th….j/k

I have no clue as to what the draft is going to shape up like. I really feel we’ll trade down, and depending on where we go will dictate who we get, and what position we address (obviously).

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Apr 21, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

btw rec'd

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Apr 21, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reasonable people are such party poopers

I’d think OLB is a top priority, but I don’t think this necessarily means we definitely go with that with our first pick. I think this will be the Year Of The Linebacker and we will be getting multiple OLBs. I am honestly more excited about our 3rd and onward picks, seeing that we probably won’t have a clue as to who they are. All our star LBs that have been let go under this regime have been 3-5 rounders!

by Red Dog on Apr 21, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Tell me about it...

i was rational and ended up in college for 5 years.

by Natalya on Apr 21, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah some goo

Nice, make sense of things, and refresh the dialogue, it was needed…

by Red Dog on Apr 21, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Hughes, Graham, Worilds, Te'o-Nesheim, Norwood...

Cranking up the Armanti Edwards bus... he's gonna be better than you think!

by The Earl on Apr 21, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Need help picking a olb?

here are most of the de/olb listed with their combine

http://www.thephinsider.com/2010/4/8/1410713/solb-player-x

TY Bill for BM!
We need defense! NT FS OLB's
we could move W.Allen to FS if we have to.

by 54 on Apr 21, 2010 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

What about A.J. Edds

Can you feel that? Ah...$***!
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note to self: Read the fanshots!

by PotM on Apr 21, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a country bar..........

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by Alpha6 on Apr 22, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No LB til the 3rd round

OLB’s who played DE in college have some the highest bust rates; there’s a reason that Bill Belicheck has never picked one of these conversion guys in the 1st round.

If we are going to pick an OLB, then I’m hoping he was actually a real LB in college. Look at the steller success of Clay Mathews last year. Look further even at Brain Orakpo: drafted as a DE who actually played DE and racked up 11 sacks in a pro-bowl season…..and now he has to switch to OLB.

IMO, our new OLB is already oin the roster: Karlos Dansby. Hopefully take McClain if he’s still there and watch out QB’s next year.

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Apr 21, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

And they get higher the farther back,

QBs in the second have a greater bust rate and we struck gold with our first one. BP has a winning formula for these prospects and he loves those big guys. (TE OL DL LB)

Can you feel that? Ah...$***!
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note to self: Read the fanshots!

by PotM on Apr 21, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dansby's regarded as an ILB

I wouldn’t expect Nolan to switch him

(LoL)

by Tunaflipper on Apr 21, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't read past the part where he said no LB til rd because of high bust rate

Ware has been a good 1stie

Can you feel that? Ah...$***!
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note to self: Read the fanshots!

by PotM on Apr 21, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicely Done Nat!

I haven’t been to the site in a couple of days, hoping that the JT stuff had died down. I was wrong.

If I were picking defense, OLB would be my #1 pick. That being said, I don’t know who I would take at #12. I don’t think any of the top prospects are sure fire stars and everyone of them could be busts. So I would take Berry or Thomas at #12. If neither are there, go offense because that would mean both Spiller and Bryant are available.

Rec’d

Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)

by ct1361 on Apr 21, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks CT...

Appreciate the kind words :-)

I think a lot of us are pondering this because there seem to be several viable OLB prospects, but not necessarily worth a #12 pick….while at the same time, you have several to choose from and can can grab someone later. The big caveat seems to be the big hole in our draft, that being no #2 pick. If we had a #2 then I know we could pick a good OLB in that round…

I think the FO is hoping to trade down..

by Natalya on Apr 21, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

A. OLB is the most important “need,” but superior FSs are a special rarity. Just a single dominant FS is hard to find, but two in the same draft? Yeah I’d definitely grab the FS first.

B. Really, I’d love to grab the OLB in the 2nd rd…. but we have no 2nd rd pick Therefore, I’d default to the 3rd, unless Cam Thomas drops, in that case, I’d take him. So my OLB might possibly drop to the 4th rd, but no further. Obviously, along with the 4th, I’d stack up project-olbs in the later rounds. So basically, Graham and Hughes would be optimal in rd 1. Whoever falls from rd 1, and someone will, would be great in the 2nd. Sapp and Misi look fine for the 3rd. 4th is another area where whoever drops from the 3rd would be nice. 5th would probably be Sharpton.

C. In terms of production, I’d expect more sacks from these players, than someone like Anderson. However, I doubt any of them would really be as complete a package as Anderson, leading me to have a consistent rotation between Wake, Anderson, and the two, yes two, drafted OLBs.

by Farorefox on Apr 21, 2010 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Really...

a TE or RB before an OLB? Care to articulate a bit?

I’m assuming you are talking Spiller (as far as the RB goes)..

by Natalya on Apr 21, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no

I’m not on Spiller at all. I was actually talking about during the 3-6 rds. If Graham (TE) is available at an appropriate pick, I feel there is too much potential to ignore, unless an exceptional OLB falls into the 3s. As far as RBs, I like Gerhardt, Blount, and Best. Depending on where they are feasible, I might take one over an OLB.

by Farorefox on Apr 21, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

#2

That being said I’m going to stick with theme and pick the OLB I like most……… Sean Weatherspoon and Jerry Hughes.

Brandon Marshall!!! Next stop SuperBowl!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
"You wanna get high man? Does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
- Cheech & Chong - Up in Smoke -

by Weecho85 on Apr 21, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually, I think Earl Thomas will not be available at the #12 pick, and even if he is, I would pick Jerry Hughes

[A] OLB is a #1 need (actually NT is our #1 need, but I don’t think there is a NT worthy of a #12 pick). We could still get OJ Atogwe after June 1 in an emergency.

[B] I would use our #12 pick to either trade down or take Jerry Hughes straight up. We have a potentially elite OLB already in Cameron Wake (don’t tell me what he can’t do, we need to talk about what he CAN DO very well with only limited experience and ridiculously limited snaps). Having Jerry Hughes AND Cameron Wake attacking from the edges would improve our defense substantially in basically one pick. Thankfully we have more.

© I predict Jerry Hughes will have 8 -10 sacks in his rookie year and then go on to become a hard-working do-everything-well OLB for years to come.

1st:(TRADE DOWN if possible)Jerry Hughes 6-1 255 OLB; 2nd:TRADED for BRANDON MARSHALL 6-4 230 WR; 3rd:Linval Joseph 6-4 328 NT; 4th:Robert Johnson 6-2 203 FS; 5th(from 49ers):Emmanuel Sanders 5-10 186 WR; 6th[A]:Deji Karim 5-9 210 RB; 6th[B]:Crezdon Butler 5-11 191 CB; 6th[C]:Aleric Mullins 6-1 319 NT; 7th[A]:Jameson Konz 6-3 234 TE/SS; 7th[B]:Danny Batten 6-2 246 LILB; 7th[C]:Stevenson Sylvester 6-2 232 RILB;

by DolphDallas on Apr 21, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with this^^^

Brandon Marshall!!! Next stop SuperBowl!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
"You wanna get high man? Does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
- Cheech & Chong - Up in Smoke -

by Weecho85 on Apr 21, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Question

I say Chiefs take Eric Berry
Cleveland or Jacksonville or somebody trading up to Denver or us to get Earl…

1st:(TRADE DOWN if possible)Jerry Hughes 6-1 255 OLB; 2nd:TRADED for BRANDON MARSHALL 6-4 230 WR; 3rd:Linval Joseph 6-4 328 NT; 4th:Robert Johnson 6-2 203 FS; 5th(from 49ers):Emmanuel Sanders 5-10 186 WR; 6th[A]:Deji Karim 5-9 210 RB; 6th[B]:Crezdon Butler 5-11 191 CB; 6th[C]:Aleric Mullins 6-1 319 NT; 7th[A]:Jameson Konz 6-3 234 TE/SS; 7th[B]:Danny Batten 6-2 246 LILB; 7th[C]:Stevenson Sylvester 6-2 232 RILB;

by DolphDallas on Apr 21, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

How I view the OLB position

A. I currently view OLB as the second most important position behind Safety. I honestly believe we have all the pieces to have a top 5 offense in football this year and I believe that will make us one of the top scorers in the league. If teams have to constantly play ‘catch up’ from behind then they will tend to pass. After all, we know how our running game failed to catch Indy’s offense last year even though our execution was nearly flawless. This being said, I think if Earl Thomas is there we should pull the trigger. However I feel as if Parcells is a LB guy and this will be his first priority.I believe he would rather go with a OLB then a S in round 1.

B. I believe trading down is the best compromise. At pick #12 Pierre-Paul is a much too risky project and the best option Derrick Morgan is still an unsure thing. If Parcells does go OLB in round 1 though I would think it would be Derrick Morgan from Georgia Tech. If we trade down I think we should look into Brandon Graham, Jerry Hughes, Sergio Kindle, Ricky Sapp or Sean Witherspoon in terms of who is available.

C. Who’s to say who will have the best season next year? As much as I am against drafting Pierre-Paul, the guy’s athleticism could make him the best sacking rookie since Javon Kearse! However, I’m a fan of Morgan, but I think Jerry Hughes’ lack of attention as of late will translate to him having one hell of a year. I think a reasonable goal for our round 1 rookie OLB would be to show a capability to cover RB’s and TE’s and snag 4-8 sacks as well as a constant pressure with fellow teammate Cam Wake.

Laces out!

-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.

Sean Smith/Vontae Davis= Pat Surtain/Sam Madison

BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!

by BSerious72 on Apr 21, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes^^^

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Apr 22, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi Nat

Can we talk about JT? =)
oh, and, i don’t want to follow your format.

;-)

i don’t really like where we are right now with OLB, and am pretty sure that the Triad’s first pick will be at that position. Otherwise, I would have to believe that they would have re-signed JT as a stopgap, just in case a later round pick didn’t develop.

But if we have to pick @ 12, i would go with Morgan, just from a safe pick standpoint – kinda like when they took Jake Long. Morgan will at least be serviceable and should be able to step right in and produce as a rookie.
He has the size to hold up against the run and is reasonably quick, and a good tackler. He is still very young, which means he should be able to improve his technique with good coaching and practice, and he still has some room to develop physically (he just turned 21 a couple of months ago) strength-wise. And everything I have read about him indicates that he is a leader and good teammate.
He might not be a flashy pick, but you are almost guaranteed that he will be a good-very good player at worst.

I just think that, as a team, we are not yet at the point where we can afford to swing for the fence with a first round draft pick. That is probably for next year, depending on how well we come out of this draft.

I think if we pick Morgan, we do not get a FS from the draft that will contribute much this season. That would probably need to be a 2nd round pick at least, and unless we trade down, the best we could do is pick up a safety in the third… where i am rather hoping we grab a NT.

OLB and FS are about equal in my eyes right now. If we get either one in round 1, and an effective NT in 3, we can work with the guys we have at the remaining position, IMO. But I think there may be less risk picking OLB than trying to pick a FS to start this season.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 22, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

also at FS there are 2 viable options in FA

Sharper or Atogwe

at OLB I haven’t heard of anyone in FA that we could grab; which tells me that OLB is a slightly higher need to what is availabe in both the draft and free agency

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 22, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but Atogwe might not actually make it to FA...

we just don’t know yet.

Sharper? i would be okay with him to come in and groom Clemons

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 22, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah ever the contrarian eh, Left? ;-)

Rules, Smrules, we don’t need any of that right!

It was interesting to me that in this offseason we essentially dropped starters at both FS & OLB, with no obvious replacements. That clear inferrencet, at least for me, is that we will be addressing both positions via the draft (with the caveat of a FA stopgap perhaps a possibility).

What you said about the FO going with the more ‘sure thing’ (if such a thing exists in the NFL draft…) does tend to coincide with their Henne + Long selections. Additional intrigue in Graham being yet another Michigan grad and I think, a definite possibility with the first round pick.

As far as swinging for the fences….you could argue that picking Dez Bryant @ 12 would have been just that and trading for Marshall is pretty darn closed to that level as well. So maybe they will make a safer pick here as they’ve got a lot riding already on Marshall.

Regarding skipping a FS, isn’t Ken Hamlin out there still? He certainly fits the stopgap bill. Conversely we could argue that our D can survive with Soliai + 8 games of Ferg. Basically what I’m saying is we could conceivably (though preferably not) skip on picking a NT or FS and perhaps get by with either a) filler/retread, or b) what we’ve got on the roster already.

What I don’t see is us passing on an OLB high in this draft as I think the need is more glaring at that position.

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah ever the contrarian eh, Left? ;-)

I prefer the term “rebel”. =)
I think Marshall is not “swinging for the fence” because we know the talent, but it is risky in terms of not having that 2nd rounder this season. I am pretty sure that the Triad is not expecting this “rebuilding” project (or whatever you want to call it) to drag into next season. I see them solidifying the team this year and shooting for the playoffs, with the thought that they can adding the “icing to the cake” in next years FA and Draft.

Good arguments one and all Nat, and I am honestly really conflicted about this draft. I find myself more thinking about the depth of the draft and the talent of Parcells to find starters at certain positions in later rounds, like NT and OLB. This line of thinking makes me think we should take the FS first, because that level of talent will not be available later, whereas i would bet some of the OLB/DE types that are fairly high in draft boards will be available well into the 2nd rd and maybe on into the 3rd.

And your argument about NT is solid, but out of all three positions, that is the ONE that instantly elevates the play of all three, and at which we really have no development guy (unless you somehow want to count Soliai as still developing). FS we have Clemons who actually looks like a 5th round pick with talent – meaning, he could be very good, but will need this season to evaluate what he really has. And at OLB, we have Wake, and Moses (who in spite of what anyone wants to argue, has actually had moments of brilliance).

A solid, pocket pushing, pass rushing NT like Williams would force teams to move the pocket and create opportunities for our OLBs and FS. AND a guy like Williams is athletic enough to slide over to DT in a 4-3 alignment. Can you just see sending Williams, Starks, Merling, and Langford against an O-line??? Geez, talk about beef. =)

I started out this offseason pushing for NT, and i still think that single positional upgrade (at this point) does more to upgrade the entire D than any other position. But if we can only get two of the three needs filled in the 1st 3 rds, I would have to say take FS in the first, and NT 3rd.

Ideally, we would sign LaBoy or Sharper or Atogwe to fill one of the other needs for a year and allow us some space to work the developmental guys. in this case, my ideal would be a trade down to grab a NT later in the 1st, and pick up another 2nd or high 3rd, which could be used to grab BPA@OLB and then at FS with our 3rd.

But the good news is that the glass is half full! I don’t feel like we have so many pressing needs that we can not field a competitive team this year, so if we get two starters at two of those positions out of this draft, I think we will be in very good shape.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without a cause....our rebellious Left :-)

Agree, that ‘rebuilding’ in year 3 will be a non-starter with most. Moreover the move to Marshall clearly shows we are, not on a one-year crash course with all the chips on the table (ala the JETS), but at least ready to be a playoff team now with an eye towards a great run in ’11.

Soliai I think counts not as any sort of development player, but as a partial answer to a trivia question (it involves scam-cam, hint hint)! So unlike what we have at FS on the roster, where conceivably Clemons could show something…there’s almost no chance of improvement from our collective NT group. At best, we get a repeat of last season with this crew, at worst…well, let’s not imagine that ok?

A NT is higher on my list than a FS in terms of positional importance, but then the ones we’d have to pick from at 12 would be almost universally agreed to be big reaches. So do you take the more important position, NT, but reaching, or go with the less important slot, FS, while getting a player at 12 whose talent is consummate with that slot?

I like your tradedown in the first, grab a NT (say like, Cody! ), then have a choice of players in the 2nd round, ideally an OLB. Then you have rounds 3-4 to add to FS.

I must concur overall though Left, we seem to be headed towards a much stronger team and this draft will play a big part in some key upgrades.

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh....I'm obviously just another conformist (one of the herd)....

clearly it is Left that’s the rebellious one. He said so himself actually.

Exactly against what/whom is not entirely clear…

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without a cause....our rebellious Left :-)

Agree, that ‘rebuilding’ in year 3 will be a non-starter with most. Moreover the move to Marshall clearly shows we are, not on a one-year crash course with all the chips on the table (ala the JETS), but at least ready to be a playoff team now with an eye towards a great run in ’11.

Soliai I think counts not as any sort of development player, but as a partial answer to a trivia question (it involves scam-cam, hint hint)! So unlike what we have at FS on the roster, where conceivably Clemons could show something…there’s almost no chance of improvement from our collective NT group. At best, we get a repeat of last season with this crew, at worst…well, let’s not imagine that ok?

A NT is higher on my list than a FS in terms of positional importance, but then the ones we’d have to pick from at 12 would be almost universally agreed to be big reaches. So do you take the more important position, NT, but reaching, or go with the less important slot, FS, while getting a player at 12 whose talent is consummate with that slot?

I like your tradedown in the first, grab a NT (say like, Cody! ), then have a choice of players in the 2nd round, ideally an OLB. Then you have rounds 3-4 to add to FS.

I must concur overall though Left, we seem to be headed towards a much stronger team and this draft will play a big part in some key upgrades.

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading down and grabbing Cody is a very enticing idea,

but for me it would depend on who was available at 12, it would be hard for me to pass up on Morgan, I agree with Lefty that he is a very safe pick, however I also believe that he has a very high ceiling.

I would love to see a Smiley trade and some type of packaging that gives us a high 2nd to possibly get Cody as well.

by uncle finster on Apr 22, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we all agree...

that having a 2nd rounder would be oh so sweet!

That seems to be the common result of much of our armchair GM sessions.

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No risk, no reward!!

We’re not getting to the Superbowl by playing it safe and “waiting until next year.”

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Apr 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh Ken...

I’d say Brandon Marshall hardly qualifies as “no risk”.

One off-season incident and he could be suspended for a whole season.

I think what Left, Finster, and others of us interpret as a safer pick means a player with a track record over time, such as Graham for example. As opposed to someone like Pierre-Paul who basically only has 1 year on record and appears to be quite likely to bust.

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

or a player that was awesome in college but doesn’t have the typical measureables that you want at a position… making it more of a risk that his skills might not translate to the NFL.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 22, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I like Earl Thomas.

That’s the kind of swing for the fences move that I have in mind.

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by AussieKen on Apr 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want more moves like Brandon Marshall, and less "playing it safe."

I like Quality over quantity right now. But its not in my hands…

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by AussieKen on Apr 22, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So on the one hand...

you’ve frequently stated, as I recall, how this is the best, or among the best, FO’s in the league.

Ok, that’s your viewpoint.

Now you are saying you want more moves like Brandon Marshall? So you think the FO isn’t being aggressive enough?

What exactly are you proposing, since this being the phinsider….it is in your hands (at least your opinion that is…)

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

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by Alpha6 on Apr 22, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I like Earl Thomas.

We can take care of the secondary and we have a bunch of picks for the rest. Or, just make another bold move for a starter. But not a Dan Williams, I don’t want that.

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by AussieKen on Apr 22, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dolphins draft needs (early)

The OLB position should be the priority in Miami if you ask me. Cameron Wake can rush the passer but not much else and how much confidence does the staff have in him? The defections of JT and Peezy do leave holes and they could be filled in this Draft. OLB’s should be the #1 priority.

Targeted prospects that fit in Miami.
1. Kindle has prototypicla size and best is the best prospect. (1st round)
2. Brandon Graham has a non-stop motor to get to the QB. (1st round)
3. Thaddeus Gibson a fast, explosive player. Has the tools just needs coaching. (2nd)

Second priority should be NT. Their are plenty of prospects available.
Targeted prospects that fit in Miami.
1. Cam Thomas is the second best run stuffer. (2nd round)
2. Dan Williams a guy Dolphin fans would love to have but is not the best fit. (1st round)
3. Terrance “Mount” Cody is the best run stuffer but has some weight issues. (2nd)

I think Graham will be a Pro Bowl type before any of the others guy and will provide great production early. Kindle and Gibson could struggle early and often. As for the NT’s, I think Cam Thomas will hit the ground running as a plug and play player. Cody is a guy that I have the least faith in. His lack of discipline in college concerns me a little. Will Cody be motivated after getting paid?

by Cardsfan81 on Apr 22, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

It seems that OLB would be a higher priority...

… it’s also a higher value position than Safety or NT.

I’d say Morgan in the first round. But if something different happens, I’d say Koa Misi in the third.

Fun post Talya….. ;-]

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by Alpha6 on Apr 22, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

That would be the bomb!

Ultimate, would be the word on Miami’s defense……

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by Alpha6 on Apr 22, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha....

yes fun post indeed Alpha. Especially in light of us being a trifle of 3-4 hours away from finalizing the seemingly endless pre-draft speculation and turning it all into a tangible reality complete with faces and names.

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 hrs now.

and i am personally going to be relieved that the topic can be closed for another year. ;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh yes its fun its so annoying this year. Too many ways for us to go.

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by AussieKen on Apr 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha...

but no!

As we have 3 days of draft coverage. I expect the debates tomorrow for the middle rounds, will be just as lively as those tonight.

And for the record left, I’ll be glad too, come sunday.

by Natalya on Apr 22, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saturday will be fun...

We’ll have a lot of picks, and the first couple rounds will be over. I think the debates around here will get worse until the season starts, maybe. We’ll see.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

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by AussieKen on Apr 22, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

well said

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