Building Through The Draft: Comparing Parcells to rest of league
This is finally the fifth and final installment of my unofficial and unscientific case study examining the idea that it is best to build through the draft. Last time, I put together the final statistics for how the first two rounds of the draft between 2000 and 2005 have broken down based on some predefined categories to group each player in.
As it turned out, 45% of the players drafted in the first two rounds during that time period could be classified as either disappointments or busts. On the flip side, only 15% were stars or superstars. Everybody else fell into the "starter" category - not a bad place to fall in but not overly wonderful, either. And those second round picks that so many teams covet because of the value that can be found ("value" here is being defined as at least a long-term starter at a very reasonable second round contract). But 58% of those players drafted in round two between 2000 and 2005 were not long-term NFL starters. That's not good, folks.
Of course, the obvious point everybody brings up is the fact that Bill Parcells has a better past draft record than some of the other personnel decision makers around the league. So let's see if that's true.
First off, it's important to note that I am not including Bill's time with the Giants. Why? Because he wasn't the man making the personnel decisions. Instead, it was five time NFL Executive of the Year George Young. In his next gig up in New England, Parcells did not have final personnel say, either. As we all know, when Bill left the Patriots he made the famous "if they want you to cook the dinner" comment. So I'm not counting those drafts under Bill's draft stats, either.
So that leaves his time with the Jets, Cowboys, and Dolphins as his only real "final say" personnel jobs. I am leaving out the '09 draft with Miami, too, because it's really too soon to tell which picks were "hits" and which were "misses" - though I think we could make logical guesses as to how they might play out. That means Bill had "final say" in nine NFL Drafts, selecting 20 players in the first two rounds of the draft. Of those picks, 4 (or 20%) became stars or superstars while 7 (or 35%) were disappointments or busts. In the first round alone, Bill had a very impressive track record with 40% being stars or superstars while only one of those ten first round picks were disappointments.
The second round, though, was less than impressive. Of his ten second round selections, 60% were disappointments or busts while the remaining 40% were only starters. None were ever better than that.
Below is a chart with a simple comparison of Bill's nine drafts compared to the rest of the league from 2000 to 2005:
| Parcells | NFL | |
| Superstar | 5% | 4% |
| Star | 15% | 11% |
| Starter | 45% | 39% |
| Disappointment | 20% | 23% |
| Bust | 15% | 22% |
| Parcells | NFL | |
| Superstar | 10% | 6% |
| Star | 30% | 17% |
| Starter | 50% | 43% |
| Disappointment | 10% | 15% |
| Bust | 0% | 18% |
| Parcells | NFL | |
| Superstar | 0% | 2% |
| Star | 0% | 6% |
| Starter | 40% | 34% |
| Disappointment | 30% | 32% |
| Bust | 30% | 26% |
They say that numbers don't lie. Of course, we all know that they can be manipulated to prove what you want them to prove. So I won't offer up anything from the above figures other than I find them to be very interesting. But I suppose the most important thing to look at is that Parcells has shown to be better than the league average in the first two rounds of the draft. But not that much better.
Maybe you don't agree with how I grouped some of Bill's 20 draft picks. That's fair. So in the spirit of full disclosure, I have listed the picks below along with how I classified them. Notice how some names look like brilliant picks. Others...not so much.
1997
Round 1: James Farrior, LB (Star due to one 1st team All-Pro and two Pro Bowls)
Round 2: Rick Terry, DT (Bust, 29 career games played)
1998
Round 2: Dorian Boose, DE (Bust, 41 career games played)
1999
Round 2: Randy Thomas, G (Starter)
2000
Round 1: Shaun Ellis, DE (Starter); John Abraham, DE (Star, one 1st team All-Pro and three Pro Bowls); Chad Pennington, QB (Starter); Anthony Becht, TE (Starter)
2003
Round 1: Terence Newman, CB (Starter)
Round 2: Al Johnson, C (Disappointment)
2004
Round 2: Julius Jones, RB (Starter); Jacob Rogers, T (Bust, 2 career games played)
2005
Round 1: DeMarcus Ware, LB (Superstar, three 1st team All-Pro and 4 Pro Bowls); Marcus Spears, DE (Starter)
Round 2: Kevin Burnett, LB (Disappointment)
2006
Round 1: Bobby Carpenter, LB (Disappointment)
Round 2: Anthony Fasano, TE (Starter)
2008
Round 1: Jake Long, T (Star)
Round 2: Phillip Merling, DE (Disappointment); Chad Henne, QB (Starter)
Interest list of names, in my opinion. So how do you feel about this? Would it be better to trade away early picks for proven talent - even if it comes with some off-the-field risk? Perhaps a second round pick for a guy like Brandon Marshall?
I open the floor to all of you...
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The only sure shots on this draft are spiller and berry
Spiller because he can play like 6 positions on the field and couldn’t possibly suck at all of them and Berry because you can’t coach speed and isntinct…he has both on overdrive and is a good position ( not as physically demanding as lineman ) to develop into a good defensive system……the only way these 2 bust is if Al Davis gets his hands on them….lol
im sorry bro. but no one is a "Sure Thing" in the draft.
by phinfan20 on Apr 14, 2010 12:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agree
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Spiller is FAR from a sure shot anyway.
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1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 14, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well for what its worth Kiper ranks him as the most sure fire pick in the first round.
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by texascowpunk on Apr 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
lol I love the FWIW disclaimer
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2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 15, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Hes an ass as far as I am concerned but the guy does know what hes talking about
much of the time.
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Benjamin Franklin
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
by texascowpunk on Apr 15, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i still say the best way to build a team is threw the draft.
and then you get a couple key pieces in Free Agency and threw Trade.
by phinfan20 on Apr 14, 2010 12:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
NO!!
We don’t want to throw the draft!! Hell, we aren’t trading the team away for Ricky Williams again are we?!
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 14, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Ricky was not a bad trade
They traded 2 first round picks for an star running back that was our work horse for several years. Outside of his substance abuse problems he has been a great player for the Dolphins. Furthermore, 1 star player for 2 first round picks is much better than the league average and parcels average.
Now, what the Saints did was stupid.
lol that's what I was referring to
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 14, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Better than what we were getting for about a decade before he arrived
Compare our numbers during the preious 10 yrs before he got here to the league average.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"The Icon"
I wonder what the numbers are
for teams that do trades and sign through FA and how many of those players end up becoming busts or superstars after going to a new team.
Yeah I'd say disappointment.
He’s not a starter simply because he wont work consistenly at practice. For the first pick on the 2nd round he’s a dissappointment.
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He is a solid role player
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also some confounding factors
first…. parcells has had a propensity to draft defensive players and “big” players in the first round which have a lower bust potential inherenitly….
second, I believe a true measure of personnel skills is rounds 3-7 which would be interesting to look at a case study involving those players. I bet the boys at footballoutsiders or KC joyner types have done this type of analysis. worth looking into..
Hasn't Parcells specialized
In finding nose tackles in later rounds?
Dez Bryant is not the Messiah - he's just a naughty little boy!
I wouldn't say he does
because hes only drafted two that were anything Jay Ratcliff and Jason Fergusan Jason was suppose to go higher than a 7th round pick but he tested positive for marijuana before the draft he probably would have gone in the 2nd if it wasn’t for that teams were afraid of him because of his drug issues and BP took a chance and it worked out. Now that i think about it another guy who had character issues that he took a chance on.
here kitty kitty kitty BANG!
YESSSSS
Adam Schefter just reported BRANDON MARSHALL TO MIAMI
by avak09 on Apr 14, 2010 7:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He just broke it on mike and mike…its offical
by avak09 on Apr 14, 2010 7:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
BM he’s a dolphin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great move trifecta!!!! now sign sharper for a year ,draft spiller with the 12th pick,and the remaining all on defense,and were an instant contender…………..IMO!!!!! I’M LOVING IT!!!
Nice Matty, just make sure...
your BUST category doesn’t include players who had career ending injuries. A pet peave of mine… B/C they couldn’t play anymore doesn’t mean they weren’t a great player or a great pick…ala Steve Emtman.
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I guess its a good thing we traded our 2nd for Marshall
since Parcells does a lot better in round 1.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
If you read into it, this makes sense
Parcells is not gambling on the 1st round pick because of the cost of the pick, in the 2nd round he can take a gamble the way he did with Pat White.
But this also shows that the study of the value of the draft as a whole wasn’t meaningful without breaking it down by team or FO (because as the FO changes so will the results for the team). If Parcells is that much better on average it’s obvious that other teams are far below average. And I’m sure that Parcells stats are also similar to other top teams.
So what does this all mean, the MOST valuable piece to building a team is the FO. If you have a good decision maker you will be good in the draft and in FA or trades.
brandon marshall baby!
yo I’m excited to see what this guy can do for our team. Chad Henne to Brandon Marshall deep?? Haha, its not even fair, were gonna be dirty. Henne has a cannon so we all know he’ll be looking for Marshall.
not to mention the effect this will have on our young CB's and Safety positions.
Nolan himself said BM was the toughest reciever his defense faced all year long. That being said just think of the work that our defense will have against this new threat on offense. This alone should be a factor in helping the Dolphins and these lategame defensive secondary meltdowns (ala-colts, saint, and especially single big threat guys like TO and Moss).

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