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Scouting The Draft: C.J. Spiller

Let's shift gears here with our "Scouting The Draft" installments and turn our attention to the offensive side of the ball. There's been a growing number of Dolphin fans who - as unlikely as it probably is - want to see the Dolphins spend the 12th overall pick on running back C.J. Spiller.

So I enlisted the help of "FigureFour" from SBN's Shakin' The Southland, our resident Clemson blog. And his piece about Spiller is just excellent. It is below, preceded by some of C.J.'s Combine numbers. Enjoy.

C.J. Spiller

Height: 5'10 5/8" / Weight: 196
40: 4.37 / Arm: 30 1/2" / Hands: 10 1/8"

C. J. Spiller is one of the best athletes in Clemson athletic history and was the heart of Clemson’s ‘09 football offense. The 5’ 11" 195 lb RB from Lake Butler, FL is a threat to score any time he is in the game, no matter the situation. The numbers for Spiller are nice and the scouts’ opinions all show CJ as a first round prize who has sported sub-4.3 40 times. Here are ESPN’s stats for Spiller’s career, although they clearly missed the boat on his fumble numbers. As good as Spiller was his senior year, I would expect him to be better physically now as C. J. fought through some key injuries in the past year or so (hamstring and turf toe).

Spiller came to Clemson in 2006, recruited by then Clemson receivers coach (now current head coach) Dabo Swinney. Spiller was rated by many as the #1 RB in the nation and the #1 player in the state of Florida coming out of high school in 2006. Spiller, a Parade All-American, entered Clemson with a considerable amount of hype and pretty high expectations and immediately teamed up with sophomore (and current Cleveland Browns RB) James Davis. Davis’ presence at Clemson makes Spiller’s career accomplishments even more incredible as these two shared carries and playing time for Spiller’s first three years at Clemson.

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The big question that has been asked of us heading into the draft is "What does Spiller bring to the table and how (overall) will this man help a professional team?" C. J. Spiller is a world class athlete as shown through his collegiate work on the football field and the track. Spiller is widely regarded as the fastest college football player (on the field) and really shows out when he gets into the open field. Spiller has extremely quick feet and is extremely elusive. I really think that Spiller looks like he is ice skating when he is in the open field. He quickly and gracefully changes directions without slowing down.

As a running back, Spiller has developed a lot over the past four years. Spiller came to Clemson always trying to outrun people and really had issues running between the tackles. Spiller since has learned to fight for tough yards and run inside much better. Spiller has also improved his vision and has decreased the amount of time he spent dancing around looking for a hole. In short, Spiller has learned how to quickly identify whether the hole will be there and immediately hits the designed hole or tries to find a new opening and turns up field.

It is no secret that Spiller is an extremely quick and fast player. If you give him a crease, he will gain big yardage. If he gets in space he can really make linebackers and defensive backs look silly. Thus, what you lose by not having a bulky back who can move piles you gain by a back who can hit you a homerun at any point yet has gotten tough yards on occasion and continually finds a way to fall forward when tackled.

Offensively, Spiller has also been a big threat out of the backfield. Clemson has really killed some teams throwing C. J. the ball out of the backfield. Spiller ate up quite a few teams on wheel routes and catching the ball down the field. Any time Spiller is being covered by a linebacker, the defense is at a huge disadvantage.

Spiller’s special teams skills can be summed up by the fact that C. J. is the career leader for returns for touchdowns. The threat of Spiller running one back for a touchdown often caused teams to adjust and kick away from this athlete. The result of Spiller’s abilities coupled with teams being scared to kick to him allowed Clemson to enjoy great starting field position for most of last season.

Spiller as a person and a leader may be the best attributes of this athlete. Spiller is a devout Christian and really practices what he preaches. He is a great all-around person and has often volunteered his time to help those less fortunate. In general, he is just a good all around guy. Spiller has gone out of his way to lead by example and to do things the correct way. This young man never gave up and played each game as though it could be his last, often suffering through injuries to try to help his team. One should remember that Spiller’s spectacular senior season was achieved as CJ played through a severe case of turf toe that severely limited practice time, conditioning, and created great pain when he played.

Spiller chose Clemson over all other schools in America. C. J. had a young daughter back in Florida and strongly considered transferring to U of F after his freshman season. Spiller, though, changed his mind and stuck by Clemson. By the end of his junior season, Spiller was projected as a first round draft pick and easily could have cashed in as a pro athlete. Still, he wanted to return to Clemson to try to help this squad win a championship. He told all that is Swinney was promoted to head coach, no matter what he would stay. Spiller was definitely true to his word. There is no doubt that Spiller is loyal, and will stick by his team, teammates, and coaches through thick or thin.

Here is a quick breakdown of what I think about Spillers’ football abilities:

Strengths: Speed and quickness. Spiller can really make things happen in space and will run away from defenders when he gets loose. Spiller has good vision and has become more and more patient through his time at Clemson, helping him to find holes and create big plays. Spiller has a lot of versatility and can be utilized in the backfield, in the slot position, or as a return man.

Weaknesses: Obviously size is a weakness. Spiller can get you some tough yards but won’t be pushing piles. Many people have speculated whether Spiller can be an every-down back in the pros because of his size. Otherwise, C. J. has been hampered with hamstring and turf toe injuries while in college.


A big time thanks goes out to "FigureFour" for putting this together. And note that we'll see another piece by him later in the week when he shares his thoughts on Ricky Sapp.

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Theres a possibility he could be there at 43

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 12, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well.... you know

… give a kid a new toy and he’ll play with it for hours…..

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i don't know how new it is, but

i’m not surprised he’s been playing with it for hours.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 12, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree....even though the odds are very low

Don’t need a RB with the number 12 pick and a ton of holes on the defensive side of the ball.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much echoes exactly how I feel about the kid

best offensive player in the draft. His explosiveness and “score from anywhere” ability is EXACTLY what we need on offense, especially considering what our running game is going to look like without Ronnie and Ricky after this season. The guy is a serious playmaker, and there’s a reason he has such a huge following on this site. He immediately upgrades 3 phases of the game for us and makes us infinitely more dangerous offensively.

The ONLY player I take over Spiller at 12 is Eric Berry.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

There is no player I take above Spiller at #12, not even Berry.

Spiller greatly improves the Passing Game, Running Game, and Special Teams as a returner. This should be a no brainer. Especially since offensive playmaker is the Phins biggest need.

Let's get offensive this offseason!
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by ct1361 on Apr 12, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but I also have a very high opinion of Berry, and I think he’s the best safety to come out since Sean Taylor. He’s also the top rated player overall on a quite a few big boards, including my own. But he’s literally the only player I would take over CJ, and I seriously doubt he’s even there. Spiller is the best choice at 12 IMO.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen!

Hell the guy may become our best receiver the second he hits the field.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why don't you and Nicky get married already!

You can adopt and name your kid CJ Spiller Jr.

LOL…enough of the love fest already! Adopt Dez Jr as your second kid and we can all celebrate their 1st birthdays as we are watching the playoffs from home with our 7-9 record again and our defense ranked in the bottome third of the league again.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nolan

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by Alpha6 on Apr 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you Nolan will be able to pull this D together

With whatever we get him. It’s a passing league we need O-fence.

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not with no upgrade in players

He will make the defense better yes…but not competitive and not good enough to complete with the Patriots, Colts, and Chargers.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't know if you've realized

it’s a deeeep draft defensively, and we have more than 1 pick

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES

And we need many players on defense (in my opinion at least 6). Don’t you think that the other teams realize that it’s a deep draft as well? And while yes we have 10 total picks, 6 of the 10 are in the 6th and 7th round. Meaning that we only have rounds 1-4 to fill ALOT of talent deficiencies.

We proved that our talent offensive is capable. We proved our talent defensively isn’t!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missed the part ..

You missed the part about injuries and being undersized. In the NFL it does matter. Big people are more durable then little people. If you don’t like Ronnie getting injured all the time, how are you going to feel when CJ gets hurt every year?

Derrick Morgan OLB(pick 12), Terrence Cody NT (trade a 6th + 7th round pick to jump back ahead of the Chargers from pick 43), Jimmy Graham TE (pick 73), Brandon Spikes ILB (4th rd) Linval Joseph(5th rd), Myron Rolle FS(6a), Danario Alexander WR (6b), Legarrette Blount RB (7a), Chris Scott OG(7b)

by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 12, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

if that's true

why has Ronnie Brown broken down more often than Warrick Dunn did? Why was Jerry Rice healthier than David Boston? It’s a player by player thing, there is no generalization that holds true in the NFL. You’re smarter than this.

CJ was durable in college, and was able to play through a couple minor injuries as a Senior without it affecting his play. Injuries can hit every single player in the league, big or small. I don’t agree one bit with what you’ve said. Players that are tough, flexible, and keep in good shape are the ones most resistant to injury, not bigger players.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Little Nicky...

U hit the nail on the head sir…
I think Berry is the ultimate #1 choice for us, and Spiller is the next best option.. Even if that means trading Ronnie for a 2nd rounder to go after defense.. Spiller is too much to pass on at 12!

by buggz on Apr 17, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing...

… simply amazing.

Where ever he lands, I’ll be watching to see how he does….. maybe the Jets’ll take him…

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

If they do

I’ll officially be shitting my pants

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll twitter about it lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shitter Twitter

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leon broke his leg last year

and is 29 I believe.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off, he was born in 82

So he is currently 27, and then he is a young 27. He doesn’t have a lot of miles on him since he has been filling the role of back up and 3rd down back. Age isn’t really an issue with that scenario.

Of course it is the JEST and who knows what the hell those quacks will do!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly wouldn't be disappointed with him as our # 12 pick.

He’s too good to let another team reap the benefits and I really do think he represents a “need” rather than a luxury.

1. CJ Spiller RB Clemson 2. Jerry Hughes OLB Texas Christian
3. Reshad Jones S Georgia 4. Linval Joseph NT East Carolina
6a. Robert Johnson S Utah 6b. Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky
6c. Kion Wilson ILB South Florida 7a. Shay Hodge WR Mississippi
7b. Michael Hoomanawaui TE Illinois

by kdock on Apr 12, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

well said

he is a need. A luxury pick would be another OT, or a CB.. CJ is a need because A) we have no playmakers on offense, and B) we have no running backs in 2011.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can he tackle too?

Because we need someone on defense that can do that!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's more draft picks big guy

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I say again

There are many needs that need filling NOW……as opposed to RB (Ronnie, Ricky, Cobbs, Hilliard) and WR (while admittedly not great at all, improving greatly as young WRs tend to do)

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft Spiller!!!


then trade for BM

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 12, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

that's the plan right there

1st round pick – Spiller
2nd round pick – Marshall

trade something (Ginn, Ronnie, CP, Thiggy, whatever) and get another 2 (hell, deal Ronnie AND Thiggy and get another 2 and 3) and take defense for the duration of the draft. But dammit, get some TD machines on O.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly this^^^

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 12, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

do that, then hell will freeze over

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by finzrule on Apr 12, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if it happens

I want you to praise me in your sig lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this happens Nicky

I will add you to my signature and something about all might and some other horse crap

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we get Spiller, Marshall, and trade Ronnie and one of the QB's to replenish picks

I’ll start the Church of Parcells lol.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we know that won't happen

I could see him making the move for BM….but not taking spiller. So I think my signature line is safe and you have litttle to worry about in terms of starting a church/cult

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

check the new fanpost

Jason La Canfora seems to think Miami is trying to trade up to get Spiller.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...who do you trust?

Mayock or La Can…whatever his name is? You can’t keep quoting everyone dude!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol why not?

La Canfora has a pretty good record of being right on his reports. Mayock is considered one of the best draft analysts going. There’s a lot of things I have disagreed with Mayock this year, and a lot that I do agree.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Genius plan nicky! You have been promoted!

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill your FIRED!!!!!

Nicky for GM!!!!I could not have said it better Nicky!!!!!!

This is excactly what we need to compete in the modern NFL!!

 get it done trifecta!!!

by keyzkidd on Apr 12, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats cute and all

BUT WHERES THE DEFENSE

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 12, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you not finish reading the entire comment?

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Benjamin Franklin
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman

by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense for the duration of the draft yea got it

considering that "duration will be 3, 4, 5, 6 round picks other than the third round dont expect to have an immediate starter any where. id like to have balance like
1st round pick-eric berry/ earl thomas/sfsafsadfd
2nd round-BM

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 12, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if the NFL scouts are correct and the draft is deeper than its been in like

30 years then those picks are worth quite a bit. 40 picks with first round grade (8 picks in to the second), 70+picks with second round grade (14 picks in to the 4th round) and 50 picks with a third round grade (all the way through the 5th round). One of the reasons is with the impending rookie salary pay scale/possible work stoppage in 2011 a lot of these kids have been talked in to coming out now. Now I did not take in to account the few compensatory picks but you get the idea. Also consider if a FO does its homework there are going to be some real talent even left in the 6th and 7th rounds. We can go half a lifetime before we see another draft this deep. I think this is why we need to trade down/trade excess players for extra picks. We could easily spend the first couple of picks on offense and still make some huge pickups later in the draft. Even you have highlighted some guys that will be there later that are going to be studs.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok that may be true

but look at the positions of our need theres good depth at saftey but that will run out by the 3rd round, then nose tackle there is a big drop off after williams and cody, then olb is really a crapshoot and guys like hughes and graham will be far gone. my point is your getting the quality of immediate starters in the later rounds than you would in the first 2 or 3

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by Deuce Black on Apr 12, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if we add some extra picks we are all good!

Smile Deuce its going to be fine!

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn i cant wait till the draft

9 DAYS 20 HOURS 47 MINUTES 20 SECONDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Momma Said Knock You Out

by Deuce Black on Apr 12, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. I think things will really start to heat up now.

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"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman

by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is going to give that for Ronnie

When you have a guy like Thomas Jones that just gets flat out released….who in their right mind is going to give a 2nd round pick for Ronnie Brown coming off an injury???

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

a team looking for a RB to make a Super Bowl run right now.

Green Bay comes to mind. Philly could use a guy like Ronnie. Houston has nothing outside of Slaton, they may want to find a guy that can share carries with him. NE loves vet running backs and has multiple 2nd rounders to play with. There are teams out there that might be willing to give up a late 2nd to get Ronnie, seeing him as the difference between playoffs and Super Bowl. And if not a 2nd, a 3rd and 5th/6th isn’t a bad price either, especially if somebody thinks he’s got more than one year left in the tank.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

GB? Really?

With Ryan Grant? 1250 yards and 11 TDs? They need enough help on the OL and defense, I can’t see them trading for Ronnie.

I fear that Ronnie’s injury issues just makes him too unattractive for teams. At best we might get a 4th or 5th for him….at best…but doubtful coming off another injury!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

considering in my plan

we trade for another 2nd… to use on D…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm on board!

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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman

by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

me 2

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
"You wanna get high man? Does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
- Cheech & Chong - Up in Smoke -

by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who do we trade?

Really…if BM can’t get done for a 2nd, who do we have that someone will trade for a 2nd?

Oh wait, I know! PAT WHITE right???

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah Pat White....

exactly who I was thinking….

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

God it is good to see someone else with a brain on here Deuce

I was really beginning to think I was the only one!

But who knows…if they did draft CJ and picked up BM, maybe we could get Ronnie to play OLB and Ginn to play FS. Then the JEST could make a good offseason move and Sexy Rex would say something intelligent and then Favre would actually make up his mind. Tuna would then go on a diet, Obama would actually do something he said he would and France would actually learn to do something besides cook and surrender!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

.... and Canada...... what about Canada...?

You left them out.

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by Alpha6 on Apr 13, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol so you and deuce are the only one's with a brain?

that explains a hell of a lot

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey this is my world.....my rules

Your computer is your world and your rules! Fair enough right? In my world me and Deuce have the brains. In your world you and the other knuckleheads have the brains.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

... who you callin fair?

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by Alpha6 on Apr 13, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

our offense goes from mediocre to bonerific with 2 players.

im all in.

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Apr 12, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

And of course this!

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we are right back in the mid 80s where we score

33 points a game, but give up 35 and end up 9-7 or 10-6 and are out of the playoffs in the first round.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol and I think what Matty did here is called

“feeding the beast”

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's verklempt

he wants us to just talk amongst ourselves

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 12, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what that first word means

but I’ll agree

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I've heard it before

don’t know what it is lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

First word? He's?

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Verklempt – choked with emotion (German verklemmt = emotionally inhibited in a convulsive way)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

... but he said he didn't know what the "first" word meant... lol

You’re sooo serious all the time…. lol

You want me to tell your bike to stop abruptly again?

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You didn't fly over the handle bars?

lol

Oh, it was a little birdie flying around, was it?

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

but the bike didn’t stop

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 12, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would be amazing!

Then Thomas in the third or the next best NT, OLB Daniel Te’o-Nesheim in the 4th. Then move Will Allen to FS. Our team will be on point!

We need defense!
No to spiller :) If ur looking for big play threat get a #1 WR.

by 54 on Apr 12, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmv0jJqpYMg

We need defense!
No to spiller :) If ur looking for big play threat get a #1 WR.

by 54 on Apr 12, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put the link in the body and not the subject line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmv0jJqpYMg

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just an FYI by the way!

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

We need defense!
No to spiller :) If ur looking for big play threat get a #1 WR.

by 54 on Apr 12, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yw

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh btw

rec’d hahaha

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

i wouldnt draft him

He gets compared to people like reggie bush and personally I wouldn’t even want bush on the team.. He might be explosive in college but in my opinion he won’t be able to get more than 10 yards on one play in his rookie year.. The field is shorter and the defenses are so much faster.. Not what we need

by west coast phinfan on Apr 12, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Maybe you should watch more of Bush

he had 8 TD’s for the Super Bowl champs last year, second on the team. He also had 3 in the playoffs, including a 30+ yard run and an 80+ yard punt return. Bush was a big part of NO’s Super Bowl team, and saying “won’t be able to get more than 10 yards on one play in his rookie year” is a joke. The field is the same field, and he tore up teams like FSU and UM in college, teams that boast multiple NFL players on defense every year.

Not sure why you don’t want explosive playmakers on our team. Do you enjoy watching 3 yard runs and punts?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

werent all of Bush's playoff TD's against the Cardinals?

the Cardinals who allowed 90 points in 2 playoff games. bush was a ghost against the Vikes and Colts

by phinfan20 on Apr 12, 2010 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bush was a ghost in my marriage...........

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took you for a hardwood flooring type of guy anyways

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by Phintastic on Apr 12, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lefty, do you understand the question

Do the carpets match the drapes? same line of thinking.

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by Phintastic on Apr 12, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, you're an interior decorator....

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

You are on a roll lately Alpha!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoy that more than I enjoy a repeat of last years defensive ability to prevent a score!

I am really looking forward to watching our team give up another record 4th quarter amount of points. Maybe we can have a few more games of controlling the clock for 35+ minutes only to lose because we can’t tackle or stop anyone.

And I am sorry, I just don’t see 3 7th rounders, 3 6th rounders, a 4th and 3rd rounder providing the skill we need to close some of those holes. We have got to spend the early draft picks on the NEEDs defensively and then you can spend those 4th and 6th/7th rounders on offense.

Now I will say that if we can’t get Berry, and are able to trade down and pick up an additional 2nd round pick, then I am all game for trading the 2nd for BM. That would still leave us the 1st, and a 2nd, as well as our 3rd and 4th to spend on defense. That is the only logical choice to me.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

btw

he also gets compared to Chris Johnson quite often. Some have said he has Barry Sanders-like potential (obviously he would need to reach ALL of his potential and then some). Spiller being Bush might be the absolute worst he’ll be.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

.... and I like Bush

… if you know what I mean….

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

I think chris jhonson is a one of a kind player.. Same with barry sanders… Both of which spiller will not become

by west coast phinfan on Apr 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

.... and you know this how?

And you knew the two you mentione would become elite? How and when?

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

because

Of his size abd skill… Looking at those its almost obvious that he is going to become a specialist in the NFL…

by west coast phinfan on Apr 12, 2010 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Reggie = 6', 203lbs

Barry Sanders = 5’8", 200lbs

Chris Johson = 5’11", 200lbs

Size?

And you could judge skill from all four too?

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree. Size is overemphasized at time.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup cj is pretty small

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by jojo phin fan on Apr 12, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you missed the point that Alpha just made.

Sanders and Johnson are both only 5 lbs heavier. CJ could easily put on 5 pounds of muscle.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

this^^^

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanders and Johnson are/were both about 0.2 secs faster than Spiller though.

by Crackback on Apr 12, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW... that's breaking the sound barrier.... wow

On the field? You’re kidding, right? You’re bringing .2 seconds into this….

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats a big deal, what are u kidding? So theres no difference btw 4.5 and 4.7? 4.5 and 4.3? Thats a huge deal. Much bigger deal compared to 5 pounds.

4.2 is MUCH harder to hit than 4.4.

by Crackback on Apr 12, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

... what's the distance at the finish line between the two times?

… how far apart are the two players crossing the finish line between the 4.2 guy and the 4.4 guy?

I picture this… the 4.4 Spiller is running to the end zone, a free safety at 4.2 has a bee-line on him. At the last moment 4.4 Spiller stops on a dime, 4.2 FS whiffs by, 4.4 Spiller runs to the end zone. Touch Down, end of story.

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL There are a lot of guys that clock faster than the

guys that have burned them in the NFL. 2/10 of a second are not that huge.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why take Spiller in the first at all? Gerhart runs a 4.5. Since theres no real difference btw 4.3 and 4.5 might as well take 230 lbs 4.5 guy.

by Crackback on Apr 12, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Spiller is the top playmaker in the draft.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 13, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 12, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has big hands!!!

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by Phintastic on Apr 12, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go..........

… you like that, don’t you?

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

only if he can catch the ball like Chris Carter

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by Phintastic on Apr 12, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

so is speed

Right Jerry Rice? Right Emmitt Smith?

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd Alpha

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Reggie is like a good size running back that can’t take a big hit… Johnson is like the only exception and sanders was a speedy back back when the defense wasn’t as fast as it is now. And when I saw bush goin into the draft I thought he was going to be the next L T or somthin… But no.. Like bush spiller is going to be a specialist

by west coast phinfan on Apr 12, 2010 7:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But Bush's only "specialty" is scoring in at least 3 different ways...

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not very often though!!

He hasn’t scored that much Nicky. Last year was his 1st really decent year.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you sure?

do I need to post his stats again?

8 TD’s rookie year
9 TD’s second year
6 TD’s third year
8 TD’s last season.

He’s been scoring at a pretty good clip for his whole career, in 3 different ways (running, receiving, returning punts).

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Emmitt Smith

5’9", 210lbs
8-time Pro Bowler & 4-time First-Team All-Pro – HOF
11 consecutive 1000+ yd games

by Dolphriend on Apr 12, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

CJ is 210 or a little over

Spiller is 185 if I’m correct. I guess not everyone sees the difference. jk

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller is 196

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

CJ is 200 even

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked it up on nfl.com and he is/was 200 lbs. but even he had to bulk up

for the NFL, so Spiller would have to bulk up even more than him and lose no speed. I like Spiller but it wouldn’t be my first choice at 12. Just voicing my concerns with him as a player.

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

link

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/source-bolts-representatives-have-been-pushing-for-chris-johnson-race/

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller would have to bulk up 4 lbs to hit 200

I gain 4 lbs in one meal lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh wasn't Johnson 200 lbs. at the combine and then needed to gain

some weight. Spiller would have to gain more. But really are we arguing this, I think everyone know that his size is his knock andI think he will be one of the few dangerous role players in this leaue, but not elite.

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many speed guys have really panned out?

Chris Johnson was the last one I remember. McFadden hasn’t done anything, Felix Jones has been injury prone (but the verdict is still out)? Reggie Bush finally had his first year with a 4.0 yard per carry or higher (3.6, 3.7, 3.8 in his first 3 years respectively…or disrespectively) and he had a whopping 12 TD runs his first 3 years (By the way, he had 11 fumbles his first 3 years as well)

I know speed is appealing. I know it is sexy but really….go look at the top 15 rushers in the NFL last year and aside from Johnson, how many others were small and quick backs? Maybe Ray Rice (Though Rice is extremely tough!)

1. Chris Johnson
2. Steven Jackson
3. Thomas Jones
4. MJD (small but punishing and tough)
5. AP (fast yes, but powerful too)
6. Ray Rice
7. Ryan Grant
8. Cedric Benson
9. Jonathan Stewart
10. Ricky Williams
11. Jamaal Charles
12. Frank Gore
13. D’Angelo Williams
14. Rashard Mendenhall
15. Fred Jackson
16. Knowshon Moreno
17. Marion Barber
18. Matt Forte
19. Michael Turner

Where was the speedy, slashing, quick little guy out of that bunch? Chris Johnson…that was it and we all know that lightning doesn’t normally strike twice. No thanks, I will pass with all our NEEDs on defense.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great look at this

Most speed backs are useful, but can’t be the main carrier, notice how Sproles doesn’t even make the list, he’s dangerous yes, but I don’t think he should get paid what he does. I would take Ryan Mathews over Spiller, look at their info, same 40 time, Mathews was faster on the cones, and actually has a higher average y/c then Spiller. He also gained more rushing TD’s then Spiller in less games. Why not take Mathews, he’s just more well rounded, plus you can get him at a lower pick.

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by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mathews isn't a "power back"

his has no leg drive. He breaks less tackles than Spiller did. He looks great when he’s got a huge hole and he can put those 230 lbs on a DB, but he’s not going to have gaping holes in the NFL.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only time will tell

I have heard that about RBs in the past and then what do you know, they are successful, and then I hear all the times about the can’t misses and they are gone within 2-3 years with no success

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea... but

So much more was expected out of bush. in my opinion he was the most explosive player in college football history but when he got to the nfl he became a specialist.. And he did all those TD’s in his what third.. Fourth year? If I am going to draft a runningback in the first round I want him to be doing that right away.. Not in a few years..

by west coast phinfan on Apr 12, 2010 5:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Reggie Bush

9 TD’s as a rookie
6 in year 2
9 in year 3
8 in year 4.

please don’t talk unless you know what you’re saying. Here, http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BushRe00.htm go ahead and read up on Reggie’s stats and tell me he has no impact, or he didn’t do squat till year 4. If Spiller is Bush, he vastly improves 3 phases of our offense. If he’s better, which I believe he will be because he’s actually proven he CAN run between the tackles, something Bush didn’t do in college at all, then are you still going to say you don’t want him?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

... and scoring more TD's than the opponent is the name of the game.....

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

true story

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by jojo phin fan on Apr 12, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the 5 best players in the draft.

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by sister_ray on Apr 12, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

damn i hate when different ppl start discussing what has already been discussed

i pulled some serious stats and points on the chris johnson/reggie bush comparison debate. too lazy to do it again.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Apr 12, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i've come around a bit a Spiller. but he's still only number 5 for my wishlist at 12.

1. Eric Berry
2. Dez Bryant
3. Derrick Morgan
4. Earl Thomas
5. CJ Spiller
Trade Down

by phinfan20 on Apr 12, 2010 6:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

me too. I'm startin to believe.

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets get him

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by jojo phin fan on Apr 12, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Phinfan20

 Why would you want Dez with the #12 pick when we could have Marshall for the same pick??? i’m not saying he wont become a very good player,he may.Then again,he may not do anything at this level.BM is a elite rec right now(top 5 easy),and will be for the next 5 or 6 years. Not to mention as we get closer the draft his price will drop to a 2nd and player

by keyzkidd on Apr 12, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

if you are going to make this argument

at least get it right. =)

You can get Marshall and still keep the #12 pick.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 12, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

To pick Spiller. Then on to defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!! Yeesssss!!! YYEESSSS!!!!!!!

Spiller with #12, trade the 2nd for Marshall, spend the rest of the draft on defense. And we might even be able to get some other picks if we can work out a trade for someone like Ronnie, Thiggy, Ginn, Camarillo, etc.

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by Chupathingy on Apr 12, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL! Maybe this will help.

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by Chupathingy on Apr 12, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

My next tattoo...

… only less clothing ;-]

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you meant...

… and I was kidding…

… there are better ones… lol

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paleez, Mr Over the Handle Bars.......

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by Alpha6 on Apr 12, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait I normally see odd as a good thing.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would actually make me happy.

I love defense, but that would be a sick offense, considering what we already have on our offense.

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Spiller

He is an incredible athlete, but like Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles before him, he cannot be an every down back. He cannot hold a 300 carry workload, plus return kicks. I would want him on my team, but drafting him high would require a big paycheck for a player who only see 10-15 snaps a game and kickoffs. Not worth it.

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by Topher Doll on Apr 12, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

10-15 snaps?

He’ll touch the ball 20+ times if you coaches use him right. You’re talking about averages of 15 carries, 5 receptions, and however many punts we can force. 300 carry workloads turn running backs into ground beef in less than 4 seasons. It’s dumb to put that kind of workload on ANY back. Look what happened to LJ after his 400 carry season. His legs were gone, and he’s never recovered. Look at Michael Turner after toting the ball 376 times in 08. 11 games, 871 yards while only managing 178 carries. If you want a 300 carry running back, just be prepared to get one every year. You destroy a player with that kind of pounding.

We need to have a running attack like NO. No player over 200 carries. Keep each guy fresh and healthy, and let each of them continue to make plays throughout the season.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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by texascowpunk on Apr 12, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want that too

But to pay each back over $3 million is too much just for the RB position.

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by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ronnie and Ricky are both gone after this season

so we won’t be paying them squat.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Brown produces

Which I think he will, I don’t see a good reason to let him go. He is the main reason our Wildcat works so well and besides some health issues, he is a great back. Just dropping your current back for the next best thing, only to dump him in 3-4 years is bad management.

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by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Stop using the Wildcat as reason to keep Brown. 31 other teams run a form of the Wildcat, and even we ran it when Ronnie was hurt. He’s not the only guy in the league that can run it, and to think that is being ignorant. He isn’t a great back, and he hasn’t had “some health issues.” Bottom line is this: he’s only topped 1,000 yards once in his career, and his “health issues” include two season ending injuries in the last 3 seasons. He’s about to be 29, and he’s shown no signs of being able to A) stay healthy, or B) carry the load. I don’t see how anyone can think he’s an “elite” runner, when he’s done nothing to earn that tag. I love Ronnie as much as any Dolphins fan, but lets be realistic with him here. He’s not going to get any better, and odds are he won’t be able to stay healthy. He’s close to hitting that magic 30 mark when most RB’s begin to break down.

I see plenty of reasons for trading him now, just like I saw plenty of reasons to trade him last season. Letting him go at the end of next season is bad management because he should be traded now. After this season, he either signs long-term, which is a waste of a contract, or he walks in FA, which nets us nothing in return. I’m not “dumping him after 3-4 years,” I’m selling high on a player that is going to be on the decline. While you see no reason to let him go, I see no reason to keep him.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You have a player

Who isn’t even 30 “on the decline.” A solid pick who has taken a beating behind a poor offensive line. While I agree that he has health issues, to say that Spiller will be any better is hard to prove. Spiller is smaller and like Brown had few injuries in college. I like Spiller for his speed, but if he gets injured too, will you be calling for him to be traded?

On another note, few, if any teams in the NFL run the Wildcat as effectively as the Dolphins, and that is mostly in part to Brown. The offense struggled mightily without him this past season. He is far more important to the Wildcat then Pat White, Ricky Williams or anyone else. Brown does have injury problems but I don’t think it is too much reason to trade him.

While we might get a good price for him, I think unless we get a really good price, what we lose is too great.

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by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller may be smaller than Brown

 but he is the same size as Barry Sanders maybe 5 lbs lighter than him but any athlete can pick up 5lbs so that size argument is flawed.

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

And we all saaw how his career ended

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by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Sanders retired early because his team did not do anything

to win. It was not that he was breaking down or slowing down. Besides 10 years of production (18,190 total yds) at that level (everyone a pro bowl selection) is worth a first all day every day.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, but if Spiller doesn't pan out

How long will you keep drafting the “next best thing” out of the draft?

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by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Spiller is the safest bet not to bust.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 13, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone is a threat to bust so thats a bad argument.

You have to go with the one that you think is the least likely and take your chances. Just how it goes!

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by texascowpunk on Apr 13, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point exactly

Which is why I have always classified it as a risk vs reward as it relates to team need.

And to me defensive need trumps all else as the supposed best WR and RB have too high of a risk factor to rewards based on my current needs.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

least likely

in your system. that is the iportant part people forget.

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

anybody who knows how to evaluate QB's knew that Leaf had a high bust potential

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez?

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if it was that obvious why did have the world have him as the best overall player?

Sure, now everyone says “oh yeah, he had bust written all over him” but not coming out of college! Everyone was saying it was a toss up between him and Peyton!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

same reason the world is all over Bradford

when Clausen is clearly the better prospect. Hype.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree!

I have been bashing Bradford (well not bashing but stating that I am not a fan)

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh god

Please don’t start comparing Spiller to Sanders! That isn’t right and it isn’t fair. Spiller is quick but he is not a freak of nature like Sanders was. No one will EVER be like Barry Sanders was.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree but people are saying its a size thing and there are many

examples of people that have had great success in the NFL at that size.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 13, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have never valued size other than at OL and DL

Aside from that I think it is too “sterotypical” I think speed and size are too overrated. They are valuable but not thedefining and only factor. Game ability and intangibles are every bit as important as speed an size.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true. Just look at Zach T.

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by texascowpunk on Apr 13, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard the girls call you Vienna Boy....

LOL!!

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by Alpha6 on Apr 13, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

But are always a important thing to look for.

if you want a hard hiting SS don’t look at Earl Thomas.

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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he was as talented as Sanders just similar in size

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

RBs are usually considered to be "on the decline"

when they hit 30 because of the beating that the position takes. That seems to be the magic number, sometimes it’s a little earlier, sometimes a little later, but it’s right around when they turn 30 that they start to see their skills deteriorate. And most times, you see that deterioration start to happen sooner when the player has had multiple season ending injuries, which unfortunately, Ronnie has had.

As for the Wildcat, yes Ronnie ran it better than anyone else, but that was because he has practiced it more than other players. It can still be effective without Ronnie, it all depends on what play is called out of the formation and how well the opposing defense sniffs it out. And honestly, we need to start getting away from the Wildcat a little more. Not get rid of it completely, but cut back on it’s use so we’re not relying on it as much. It’s most effective feature is it’s surprise and unexpectedness. Now teams know that we will use it at least a few times a game and D’s look for it, so it’s impact is lessened. If we can get to the point where we don’t use it that often, it will be more effective.

It makes sense to try and get some value for Ronnie now, because if we don’t re-sign him then he walks next season and we get nothing, or we re-sign him when he is declining and watch his production go down (as it would with any back) and then he will have even less value. We could trade him to somebody for maybe a 2nd, Minnesota might be interested to replace Chester Taylor or Cincy might be interested to pair him up with Benson. Then we could use that 2nd and say Camarillo to trade to Denver for Marshall, maybe throw in a 6th or 7th as well. We could then take Spiller at 12, and still have 9 other picks to use on defense (counting the comp picks). The only way I would take Spiller out of this scenario is if Berry falls to 12.

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by Chupathingy on Apr 13, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this^^^

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

x2

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by texascowpunk on Apr 13, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I recall we weren't forcing that many punts last year ....

Derrick Morgan OLB(pick 12), Terrence Cody NT (trade a 6th + 7th round pick to jump back ahead of the Chargers from pick 43), Jimmy Graham TE (pick 73), Brandon Spikes ILB (4th rd) Linval Joseph(5th rd), Myron Rolle FS(6a), Danario Alexander WR (6b), Legarrette Blount RB (7a), Chris Scott OG(7b)

by Jason Scott_90 on Apr 13, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did we force any?

If we did it was generally after we let the team drive to mid field or beyond and we were fielding the punt at about the 5-10 yard line! Thank you stellar defense!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

He would look good in teal

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by TheTealDeal on Apr 12, 2010 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

CJ SPILLER = too small

i think the RB situation is solved for this year – maybe a 4th – 7th round pick to compete with Sheets and Hilliard.

i think OUR GUY is in the 2011 draft class
RB, MARK INGRAM, Alabama

Spiller is a poormans Leon Washington – why burn a 1st rounder on a guy when you can get LW for a second?
I dont think Spiller will be half as successful as he was in college….his running style is to make a cut and go outside – wont work in the NFL

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 5:30 AM EDT reply actions  

how can you say CJ Spiller is too small?

Barry Sanders was a lil shorter and 5lbs heavier. If you look at Spiller and his body frame you will see it will be very easy for him to add 5lbs more to his weight. So again that size argument is flawed.

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barry Sanders

how long ago was it Barry Sanders played??

Barry Sanders played where NoseTackles weighted 260-280 pounds…

dont tell me that you didnt catch it by now that the players got a little bigger lately…

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

okay maybe this will please your better nature

Ahmad Bradshaw 5’9 198
Patrick Cobbs 5’8 205
Kevin Faulk 5’8 202
Frank Gore 5’9 217
Ray Rice 5’8 210
Chris Johnson 5’11 200
Maurice Jones-Drew 5’7 208

Cj Spiller 5’10 196

Are all those guys not the same size? IMO Spiller can definitely add 5-7lbs easily considering his only job would be to work out so he can get bigger and better. So again your size argument is flawed.

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

its not just the weight….its also the running style and power

Do you compare Frank Gore with Spiller

watch Spiller hightlights and show me one 1, just 1 where he did go trough the middle, break 2 tackles and score…..all he does is bouncing outside and outrunning peope – not gonna happen in the NFL.

Reggie Bush was a better College player and how did that pick pay off?
only because Chris Johnson had success, everybody is putting more value behind that kind of pick. Why didnt Chris Johnson get picked earlier?

Spiller can put on weight = will lose speed. and all he got is speed

ps: from all the guys you listed are exactly half of the guys are starters
and not feature backs only

and ps2: all are bigger than Spiller and more physical

- Chris Johnson, +4 pounds
- MJD, + 8 pounds
- Ray Rice, + 14 pounds
- Frank Gore, +21 pounds

so ask spiller to add 15 pounds without losing speed – wont work

and ps 3: all the guys mentioned above are pretty young and carry durability questionmarks…. NO THANKS

MARK INGRAM
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5’10 – 215
- who will be available for a similar price/pick

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really Mark Ingram do you know what round he is projected to go in much less where we are picking

As for your question about his highlight real I have seen him break tackles and keep going. In fact I remember seeing him doing it last year to quite a few guys.

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

and I put those other guys because they are still used more often than any other backup RB

And if he adds 5-7lbs he will be around 201-202 and I highly doubt if thats muscle weight that he adds on he will lose speed. As for the player choices they are all on the small size compared to other RB.

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh and I was not comparing running styles just size.

from that list I believe his running style is closest to Chris Johnson. I’m gonna assume your a Gator fan correct me if I’m wrong. So assuming that I’m also gonna assume the only thing you have seen of Cj Spiller is a couple of highlight reals maybe 1 or 2 games to give you the benefit of the doubt. Now, I got to see a lot of Spiller because he plays in the same conference as the U.

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

and I feel that he has a lot of potential to be a star in the NFL.

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

no im not a hurricans fan

and yes all i saw was scouting tape
- after seeing him bounce outside all the times
- fumbling
- and reading scouting reports that he is not able to carry more than 10-12 carries / game

i was done with that guy – cause it just doesnt make sense

as i said, next years draft, Mark Ingram.

i agree that we need a RB with a little more speed than Ronnie, Ricky is no longer able to get the job done (he had a good season) but at this point in his career he is a no. 2 rb and still a factor but put the work load on him = fumbles.

Spiller = no superstar because he wont be able to bounce outside
and as i said he is not even Reggie Bush and by the way Chris Johnson is a better inside runner than he gets credit for.

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100% with Crowder

Skip Spiller, and if you are looking for RB (we are set this year) you can persue Ingram, who I think will be incredible as a pro, next year.

That means you can address defense (either by getting Berry if he is available, or trading down and getting the additional 2nd round pick to use on BM) through this draft while getting a stud WR. Then you can go next year with BPA at skill positions or securing more depth at key positions.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can he catch like the role player he is?

The only wisdom is the knowledge that you don't know.
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note to self: Read the fanposts and avoid the BM and Dez posts!

by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Spiller isn't as tough as those other other small guys

You can’t compare simply the size, its size, stye, speed, everything.

The closest thing to Spiller in all of those is Reggie Bush and no thankyou, I don’t want Reggie Bush with the 12th pick in the draft.

Now IF our defense was solid….then I would think about it because of Nicky and Alpha’s points of him improving 3 phases of the game. But the key here is that he doesn’t improve the phase we need the most help in. D-E-F-E-N-S-E

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

and honestly i think Spiller is not even Reggie Bush

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

AMEN BROTHER

I say the same thing….

by talking to Dez Bryant, watching tape etc…. he either is the real deal and the “red flags” are Vontae Davis-ish….. in that case pick that guy.

if there are concerns…..heavy DEFENSE…give Nolan some toys

and next year when the RB class + the WR is much better (plenty of tall, big, fast receivers)….you go heavy offense

by that time you can also make a fair judgment on Ginn (Henne/Ginn + Offense playing with a Henne custom offense and not noodle arm plays all season), you know about Hartlines potential and if Turner is getting it together.

Ronnie, Ricky, Cobbs, Hilliard, Sheets = top 10 RB combo+depth

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and this is where we agree to disagree

I think Spiller will be a star and you don’t so no point in getting bent out of shape. Not saying you guys are bent out of shape just saying it before we all do.

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

star

you know who will be a star…
SEAN WHEATERSPOON

Spiller? naaa. umm you know Felix Jones, very good player but i wouldnt call him close to a star. Reggie Bush was huge in College, star? nope

i’ll give you something for free

from the mentioned “light” RBs
- Jones-Drew
- Chris Johnson
- Frank Gore
- Ray Rice

i would be surprised if 50% (2 make it trough the season) and have similar numbers like this year.

you will see be the example of Chris Johnson, this type of players might be able to do a splash, but they are not able to do it over a span of 3-7 years

i might be an asshole but i dont even want us to get a RB like this
i want a RB like DeAngelo Williams, Steven Jackson or a healthy Ronnie Brown

and as a said…if you wanna talk about future stars…
MARK INGRAM…

to be honest….i would rather spend a 2nd rounder on
Leon Washington than a first on Spiller

i think Washington is twice the player

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Again bro agree to disagree cuz this can go on for ever. I think he can be start and you don't.

And I didn’t say you were an asshole or think your an asshole.

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm
i might be an asshole but i dont even want us to get a RB like this

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected

But he didn’t mean anything by that and he said it about himself. But you were right…all hail NICKY!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol well I took it like he thought that I thought he was an asshole so I was tellin him I dont think he is

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not saying he won't be a star.

I am just saying like Dez Bryant and most players, there is no guarantee. With that being said, my area of value is defense and that is where I think we need to most improvement. I think we have the ability to give Nolan the toys necessary to make our defense a top 5 defense for 5-10 years to come. RBs are too easy to plug in, especially with a talented OL. WRs, more difficult which is why I have said I am open to trading for BM if it only costs us a 2nd and he comes with at least a 3 year contract. I won’t give up a 2nd for one or two years.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly you think it's defense and I think it's offense.

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

As we have said before...agree to disagree and debate to debate

That’s why many of us are on this site…because we can do it with a good chance of the debate being semi-intelligent as opposed to on a JEST website!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for the truth

The only wisdom is the knowledge that you don't know.
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note to self: Read the fanposts and avoid the BM and Dez posts!

by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts on the guy, but I think he could be a VERY good role player

if he can catch

The only wisdom is the knowledge that you don't know.
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note to self: Read the fanposts and avoid the BM and Dez posts!

by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly....

Lay your foundation for years to come defensively this year. Let Nolan get the 4-6 talented defensive guys this draft and play with them, tweak them into his system and reak havok on the AFC east for years to come. THen next year you have the option of persuing highly skilled FA RBs or WR, or attack those positions via the draft (which I love the idea of getting Mark Ingram).

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

what would you like to drink? :)

exactly,

get young bodies, and let them gel with the young talent that is already there,
if we are able to get a stoud NT, our DLine will be a top5 for years to come.
thats why we need to take care of the LB corps
CB…set….i think we will/should get another mid round Corner to replace Will Allen (Cox is badass) – FS, SS Bell is a beast but getting in the ages

and by bringing in Nolan and installing a new system…does it make sense to make a transition and by drafting luxury toys for the offense>??
- 2 NT (1 late or undrafted)
- 2 OLB
- 1 SS
- 1 FS
- 1 ILB (late or undrafted)
(- WR if there is a beast or super value pick)

thats exactly why Detroit wont pick a DT and they have to take a LT
- how can you invest a 1st overall pick in a QB and get him banged around, injured 2 seasons….not gonna happen….. that would be Mark Bulger-ish

same with us…. you dont spend a 1st, 2nd, big time money on Dansby without taking care that your Defense goes from below average to top (specially in our division)

next year check the WR FA pool + draft class
- if Dez isnt the guy…its just not the year to get fancy and the skill players

by the way…it wasnt the offense who cost us a lotta games
Defense was playing seek and hunt all year, offense produced pretty well

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's almost exactly what I have as our needs

Though I didn’t have a SS need listed

I had the following need
2 OLBs – Early & Mid
2 NT – Early & Late
1 FS – Early
1 ILB – Mid/Late
1 De – Later
1 OL – Later
1 WR – Mid
1 RB – Late

Then next year you can look at Mark Ingram or a “can’t miss stud WR” By then you will have a rock solid defense and a solid OL & QB with a couple solid WRs

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha
Cox is badass

nice

The only wisdom is the knowledge that you don't know.
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sheets and Hilliard are your solutions?

Have you seen Sheets get an NFL carry? Nope. Hilliard, for all that everybody says about him, got 4, count em, 4 carries in the final 2 games of the season last year, when Ricky was breaking down right before our eyes, running for 35 and 31 yards in each game, and Pat White had to QB the 2nd half of the Pittsburgh game. You would think, with all that going on, Hilliard would’ve been given more than 4 carries if he was that good…

Maybe you didn’t watch Spiller in college. He wasn’t “get the ball, run outside.” As a UM fan, I watched him gash our defense like they weren’t there for 4 years. The kid is going to be a star.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only time will tell

Though I don’t know that anyone said that Hilliard or Sheets was the answer!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hilliard has a good chance!

The only wisdom is the knowledge that you don't know.
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note to self: Read the fanposts and avoid the BM and Dez posts!

by PotM on Apr 13, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller

ok let me show it to you from a different perspective…

do you honestly believe that Spiller is able to carry the ball 20-25 times / game
and that for a whole season (+ Playoffs)

NOOOOO, he is the 10-15 touches/game type of player and doesnt make sense to me to spend a top 12 pick on a guy like that – period

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

and yes I think he can take that many snaps

but why take so many snaps when you have Cobbs and Hilliard to share the weight. Besides if Ronnie isn’t trade, him and Ricky can mentor him. Shit even if Ronnie leaves Ricky can still mentor him so…….

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

c'mon son :)

then young grasshopper….then you are the only one

not even Mike “Mancrush” Mayocks believes that he is a No. 1 RB
and not just a feature back

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not the only one young grasshopper....

I have plenty of other guys that think Spiller will be a star.

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

and no offense but I'm not your son.

I know it’s just a saying but I don’t like it so please don’t call me son.

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

now im sad

and i tought we are friends :(

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol we can be friends I just don't like to be called son when it's not coming from my father so....

We have 2 different points of view is all.

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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn

Different points of view! You need to get new glasses or stand higher Weecho!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol now I'm confused

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh oh

Weecho’s buttons were pushed (making mental note: Don’t call Weecho “Son”)

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

c’mon sooooon, who doesnt like to get called sooooon

@Vanman: do you think he gets mad when i call him sister? what about Dog? im confused soooon

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know...but I can respect that some people have pet peeves

Me…not really so much….other than maybe “JEST fan”. Call me that and we will be brawlin’ son!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont take it to far I asked nicely I didn't blow up or anything I asked you nicely not to call me son

I don’t like it is all.

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is just giving you a hard time Weecho

No one is being serious and we all respect one another here. Do you need a hug brother?

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol not really its just been a long ass day. I'm tired is all

BM needs to be in a Phins jersey yesterday!!!
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by Weecho85 on Apr 13, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was young, I was so bright...

my dad called my sonny…

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by Alpha6 on Apr 13, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

... and called you Vanmaneeka....

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by Alpha6 on Apr 13, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayock has him ranked as his #1 back

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d81769691&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

maybe you should, I dunno, know what the hell you’re talking about before you comment?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah well since Mayock has him there I stand corrected!

He can’t fail….he has the “Mayock” label.

Perhaps the Rams should take him 1st!

Sorry, Nicky, that wasn’t nice…I will try to taper my sarcasm…but no guarantees

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Apr 13, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just correcting him on saying that Mayock doesn't have him at #1

Never said that was the be all to end all

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I know

wasn’t sure if you knew why I had posted that link is all..

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you say 10-15 touches

it’s 10-15 carries. Plus 5-8 receptions. Plus 3-5 punt returns. That’s a range of 18-28 touches per game. That’s plenty for a playmaker like him to have a huge impact on the game. I’m so sick of reading about how we need a “25 carry a game guy.” We don’t have one of those now, and I don’t see anyone saying our running game sucks. We have two >20 carry guys. Why are we still hunting down a 25 carry guy, when there are only a few in the league, and they break down fairly quickly (maybe you forgot about LJ and his 406 carries, which btw is just over 25 a game). Let’s take a look at 2009, shall we.

0 players over 25 carries a game
4 players over 20 carries a game
6 players over 18 carries a game.

So why are we still looking for a 25 carry a game guy, when they are clearly rare, and throughout history, those guys break down quickly. It’s stupid to put that kind of workload on a back and expect him to produce for 8 years. Hell, even the great Ladainian Tomlinson, workhorse back, had 4 of his 9 seasons in SD under 20 carries a game, and topped out at 23 for a season. Let’s quit with this mythical 25 carry a game bullshit.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

nooo touches

cause a feautre back normally catches pretty good (so does Spiller)

so he will either run or catch the ball = touch the ball 10-15 times a game

dont make me touch you

by Crowder 911 on Apr 14, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

why??

why??
umm did you watch the Jaguars game last season??? – thats why

durability..
and i dont know about you guys…but i woudl quiet enjoy watching some
Miami Dolphins playoffs game….

by Crowder 911 on Apr 14, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow that was a long read

I still think we dont need a luxury pick at this point

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by Patssuck456 on Apr 13, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

i like

totaly agree, and thats all Spiller is

OLB or even rather take a gamble on Dez Bryant

by Crowder 911 on Apr 13, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice read

hope we move up and get him

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