Chad Pennington: Miami Dolphins' No. 3 quarterback
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 10:50 AM EST
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Say it with me.... Tyler Thigpen.... The name just sorta rolls off of your tongue, doesn't it? No? Well, it doesn't really matter what it sounds like because T² is the new number 2!
According to the Herald, Thigpen is the backup to Henne, and CP10 is third string.
When Pennington met with Bill Parcells on the day after his conversation with Warner, they came to the mutual decision that Pennington would likely enter training camp as the third quarterback in the rotation for repetitions behind both Henne and Tyler Thigpen.
It's a move that will allow Thigpen to continue developing as a No. 2 quarterback (he'll get more repetitions in camp), while also allowing Pennington to make a full, patient recovery from last year's shoulder surgery.
Personally, I think this is good news, because Henne will be able to focus on being "the guy", and Thigpen actually has potential that I would like to see explored. But the most interesting aspect of the lineup isn't about who is third.... it is about who is out. Pat White will be the 4th guy, which in general football terms mean "extra".
I will be very curious to see what this means for White.
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White better learn to start catching passes and/or returning punts and kicks
He’s very quick and agile with an ability to dodge tackles, so a KR/PR role may be an idea for him.
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
i've been saying that since halfway through last season. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Same with me... Been saying thats his ideal role...
Or possibly a change of pace back like Darren Sproles is.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 9, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I personally don't think he's big enough to be a RB
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
6'0 195
he’s big enough to be a scat-back
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Very few guys that size that have succeeded in the current era...
Darren Sproles (5-7, 180)
Brian Westbrook (5-8, 200)
Warrick Dunn (5-9, 180)
And all of these guys are shorter and stockier than White..Sproles is often said to be built like a bowling ball.
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
Reggie Bush - 6'0 200
Felix Jones – 6’0 215
Jamaal Charles – 5’11 200
Chester Taylor – 5’11 210
Kevin Faulk – 5’8 200
Leon Washington – 5’9 195
Ahmad Bradshaw 5’9 195
all of these players have been successful as change-of-pace “3rd down” type backs. All of them are right around the same height and within 10-15 lbs of White. Some are shorter and stockier yes, but the height/weight numbers are similar. And White has the added threat of throwing. Yes, I know he didn’t complete a pass last season, we all know, but he CAN throw the ball, and you still have to respect it as a defense. I think he’s a unique player and you make room on the roster for him until you are sure he won’t be successful in the NFL. Until that time, you find somewhere to put him and you try to find out where he can help you.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree
the problem really hasn’t been Pat White, it has been how he has been utilized.
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True, but its a big crapshoot....but I guess all draft picks are.
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
Those are all guys that are stockier than White
and more importantly have been RBs and have been conditioned to take punishment, it is just so developmental, anything with him is very developmental, time to move on IMO.
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by uncle finster on Mar 9, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
put 10 lbs on him and he starts to look a little more like a RB
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
that was my point. Bulk him up a bit and he he fits in with all those scat backs
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
At least
I have his same dimensions atm
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Wouldn't this also....
Give Thigpen more value for a trade. I would think you could get more for a #2 QB that is potentially a starter, than if you dropped him down to a 3rd or 4th QB on your roster. I don’t know if that has anything to do with it. Just saying, if that would have any factor this FO would know that. I personally think Thigpen will be traded sometime this year.
I don't think the Phins can trade Thigpen
I’m not sure Pennington can play with his shoulder the way it is. How much arm strength does he have? And White hasn’t completed the pass. I don’t think the Phins can go into camp with Pennington and White as the only back-ups if neither can play the position effectively.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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End the madness!
Don’t let Pat White back onto an NFL field. Somebody is going to kill him one day on a PR. On that most horrid of days we will all be calling Ginn genius for running out of bounds to avoid contact.
Still, the idea of him running left on a kickoff only to throw a lateral across the field to Cobbs who runs at least another 50 yards is enjoyable. That is if White can actually complete the pass.
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If we could get a 6th or 7th rounder for White,
take it and move on, he is a developmental WR/KR, never did either in college, we can’t afford to give him a roster spot.
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If we could get a Waterboy for Pat White
take it and move on.
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You know
Thigpen might be the long-term solution as the #2 qb and will get more reps in camp than CP. But god forbid Henne goes down, does anyone think CP doesn’t get the nod?
From reading the article
I get the feeling that CP is taking this 3rd QB job so he can rest his arm, and then go out next year and get a starting job, but if that was to happen later in the year and we were in contention I totally agree that CP gets the nod, but if we weren’t it would be TT’s job.
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by uncle finster on Mar 9, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Right. I think that is absolutely his intent
Thigpen could be around for a while, but CP will be gone next year.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, he is not done in his own mind,
but may be disappointed by what others think, IDK do you think there is a viable market for his services as a starter out there?
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by uncle finster on Mar 9, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think you can give CP the nod if Henne gets hurt.
At least right now. CP even stated that this year is about building arm strength. If his arm strength isn’t where it was before the injury, can you play him in the NFL? I don’t know. Teams exploited his throwing ability in the 1st three games last year, basically doing what Baltimore did in the playoff game. He wasn’t very good in any of those games. With an even weaker arm after the injury, what can he do on the field?
Right now Thigpen is the only QB, other than Henne, that I have any faith in throwing a pass in a NFL game. Until I see how CP’s arm is, I don’t think you can argue with that.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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Agreed
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You guys are doing the "group-think" thing again.
Pat White isn’t going to be moved to WR anytime soon. Its more likely that they trade Thigpen at some point before the season. They drafted the guy to be a QB and its not changing.
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white is not cut out to QB in hte NFL - IMO
he either changes position, retires, or gets killed.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
From the way they used White, I thought they were giving him a year to develop.
They knew that he wasn’t very big and most college QB’s aren’t ready to just be thrown in and play. Thigpen had time to develop; he wasn’t just thrown out there to play and Pat White will get the same chance. Pat White has way more talent than Thigpen. Thigpen is solid and looks the part, his arm just isn’t starter material.
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Well, if you want to use the word 'groupthink' for the fact that the vast majority of us...
found Pat White to be completely overmatched, scatterarmed, and way out of his league in even the few simple passes he was asked to run, then by all means do so.
What is the purpose of drafting a player in the 2nd round to specifically run a highly specialized offensive formation you use a mere 5-10x/game………….and then say it is going to take time/years to develop him?
We are not talking about a starting QB here or even a highly promising backup but rather a guy who comes in 5x a game, oftentimes hands off, and occasionally throws a pass. Sorry but if you can’t do that in year 1, then you aren’t going to be able to do it 3 years later because it isn’t as if you are going to be asked to do anymore.
No, I didn't "find" him to be any of those things. That's your opinion.
“What is the purpose of drafting a player in the 2nd round to specifically”
I don’t know you’d have to ask the Triad. All I know is that Ireland said they took him as a QB because he’s a great athlete. And I thought he did fine this year. Like you stated, he wasn’t in on very many play’s and he obviously didn’t complete a pass, which was disappointing.
You have understand the situation. He was still a rookie QB, most of which just aren’t very good the first year. Even Peyton Manning, who started was horrible as far as interceptions. Tyler Thigpen didn’t play very much his first year, completing 2 more passes than Pat White did, and the next year he did very well. I think Pat White can make a similar jump because of his talent and because we have a great coaching staff. He’ll also have the opportunity to learn from Pennington and put in lots of hard work.
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I can see that – The Dolphins are thinking “Hey, we have this great talented QB on our roster who now, in hes second year, are ready to shine – let us award that with making him our 4th choice”!
Come on, if they saw a light in White then he would line up 2nd in camp!
by Deppe on Mar 9, 2010 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They're not even in camp yet. That was just an article
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Seriously,
making Thigpen the #2 could just be to up his trade value. It’s a little early to judge.
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i could see giving him this next camp to see if he can improve
but no more QB sub crap in the real games! =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with White was he was drafted to be what he isn't.
White was meant to be the next Slash. If he could move like Mike Vick, Kordell Stewart, etc. but still complete passes he would be a scary weapon. Problem is he can’t run like them nor can he throw like the afforementioned players. He would’ve been a wasted pick in round 3 and we burned our round 2 pick on him. Just sad.
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i kinda like white
but i dont know if we got room for him, i was a huge fan of his in college so i feel bad that hes done nothing so far
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by jojo phin fan on Mar 9, 2010 11:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I loved the Thigpen signing for many reasons
1) you need a very capable back-up and 2) he was a steal for a 5th and could get us a higher pick if traded.
I don’t what to think of White since many said he was the best passer at the combine which shocked everyone so he either had a fluke combine session or the speed,gloves,throwing motion just really screwed him up but I just don’t understand how he can look SO incapable after being quite capable..only time will tell.
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 9, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions
i like thigpen as well
T-square could develop into a decent starter, IMO
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I like TT.
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by uncle finster on Mar 9, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I told you all he was a 3rd stringer
and I still hate the move.
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lol
its all good
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by Neo on Mar 9, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
In related news..
Derek Anderson was released.. I think we should sign him, package Pennington and Thigpen to move up in the draft, draft Suh, then trade Ginn and get our original pick back (maybe throw in Camarillo), and totally draft Taylor Mays..
Then Derek Anderson can compete with Pat White for the starters job, because Henne doesn’t have the chops.. cmon, if he was any good, we wouldn’t have re-signed Pennington and paid him extra for starting right? It’s not rocket surgery guys…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 7:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
YES!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^This!!!
good call nicky! Damn i wish you were GM!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha I are King Idjut
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Rocket science or not, throw Henne to the curb, is that right nicky?
You must have a 40 inch pecker, to hold them balls you got!!!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 9, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
rocket surgery!
get it right beav!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
welll...
I’m not one to brag but.. lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
wow, you should be the GM advisor, rec'd
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
k....
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by Neo on Mar 9, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
foolproof right?
lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
absolutley
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by Neo on Mar 9, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
At first I thought you were serious until I got to the middle of the paragraph
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lol the Ginn part gave it away?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
i hope pat white has good hands...
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