Geographic advantages and thoughts on league-wide realignment
I’ve always looked at the way NFL divisions are aligned and wondered what kind of impact it has on teams.
The first thing that came to mind is the travel required. After the jump you’ll see a ton of data I’ve compiled that I think proves there is a clear advantage and disadvantage based on location or distance to the rest of the NFL and your division.
After the data I’ll explain why I think realignment in the NFL would cut costs, increase ticket sales and remove a competitive advantage that some teams have. Check it out after the jump.
Which teams benefit from their geographic location? At the top of this list you’ll find the Indianapolis Colts who travel the shortest distance throughout the NFL. This list isn’t very telling since the NFL rotates opponents. Ultimately you play everyone over a timeframe so I won’t pick this apart. Comparing the top to the bottom you’ll see that the Colts travel almost three times less then the Seahawks on average.
Everything is in miles and the more interesting information is in the divisional comparisons below.
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1 Indianapolis Colts Indianapolis, IN |
26610 |
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2 Cincinnati Bengals Cincinnati, OH |
26744 |
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3 Tennessee Titans Nashville, TN |
27596 |
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4 St. Louis Rams St. Louis, MO |
27716 |
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5 Chicago Bears Chicago, IL |
28062 |
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6 Cleveland Browns Cleveland, OH |
28445 |
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7 Pittsburgh Steelers Pittsburgh, PA |
28925 |
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8 Detroit Lions Detroit, MI |
29565 |
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9 Atlanta Falcons Atlanta, GA |
30135 |
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10 Kansas City Chiefs Kansas City, MO |
30738 |
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11 Carolina Panthers Charlotte, NC |
31331 |
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12 Washington Redskins Landover, MD |
31897 |
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13 Baltimore Ravens Baltimore, MD |
32010 |
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14 Buffalo Bills Orchard Park, NY |
32037 |
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15 Green Bay Packers Green Bay, WI |
32826 |
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16 Philadelphia Eagles Philadelphia, PA |
33636 |
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17 New Orleans Saints New Orleans, LA |
34980 |
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18 Minnesota Vikings Minneapolis, MN |
34982 |
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19 New York Jets East Rutherford, NJ |
35054 |
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20 New York Giants East Rutherford, NJ |
35059 |
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21 Jacksonville Jaguars Jacksonville, FL |
35363 |
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22 Dallas Cowboys Arlington, TX |
35953 |
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23 Houston Texans Houston, TX |
38330 |
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24 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa, FL |
39630 |
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25 New England Patriots Foxborough, MA |
41068 |
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26 Denver Broncos Denver, CO |
41674 |
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27 Miami Dolphins Miami Gardens, FL |
44808 |
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28 Arizona Cardinals Glendale, AZ |
55110 |
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29 San Diego Chargers San Diego, CA |
63034 |
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30 Oakland Raiders Oakland, CA |
67497 |
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31 San Francisco 49ers San Francisco, CA |
67704 |
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32 Seattle Seahawks Seattle, WA |
70873 |
Now lets jump into the divisions and see if anyone has a huge advantage in the distance they travel every year. Like the list above, the team at the top of the list travels the least amount of distance. Keep in mind this is the distance the team travels in miles to other teams in their division.
AFC East
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1 New York Jets |
1845 |
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2 New England Patriots |
2154 |
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3 Buffalo Bills |
2188 |
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4 Miami Dolphins |
4137 |
This is what prompted me to do this. I knew the Dolphins were traveling a lot more then the other teams in the AFC East. During their three road trips the Dolphins travel more then double the distance compared to the Jets.
AFC North
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1 Pittsburgh Steelers |
664 |
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2 Cleveland Browns |
753 |
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3 Cincinnati Bengals |
1046 |
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4 Baltimore Ravens |
1141 |
Now compared to the AFC East you’ll see that teams in the North have it easy. Baltimore comes in fourth but still more then 600 miles less then the Jets.
AFC South
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1 Tennessee Titans |
1668 |
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2 Indianapolis Colts |
2187 |
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3 Houston Texans |
2676 |
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4 Jacksonville Jaguars |
3245 |
In the South you’ll see the Jaguars travel almost double the distance compared to the Titans.
AFC West
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1 Denver Broncos |
2944 |
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2 San Diego Chargers |
3179 |
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3 Oakland Raiders |
3556 |
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4 Kansas City Chiefs |
4009 |
So far you’d think this is the division that travels the most but just wait for the NFC West. Regardless, the teams in the AFC West travel the most on average in the AFC.
NFC East
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1 Washington Redskins |
1715 |
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2 Philadelphia Eagles |
1736 |
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3 New York Giants |
1888 |
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4 Dallas Cowboys |
3024 |
Dallas jumps out to me here as a team that has a clear disadvantage compared to the other three.
NFC North
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1 Green Bay Packers |
717 |
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2 Chicago Bears |
895 |
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3 Minnesota Vikings |
1381 |
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4 Detroit Lions |
1465 |
Similar to the AFC North, the NFC North travel short distances but the Packers do travel half the amount that the Lions do.
NFC South
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1 Atlanta Falcons |
1168 |
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2 Carolina Panthers |
1535 |
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3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers |
1694 |
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4 New Orleans Saints |
1837 |
669 miles represents the smallest difference between first and fourth throughout the NFL.
NFC West
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1 San Francisco 49ers |
3615 |
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2 Arizona Cardinals |
3696 |
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3 Seattle Seahawks |
4346 |
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4 St. Louis Rams |
5657 |
The NFC West travels the most in the NFL.
Now lets look at a comparison using those same division numbers but compared league-wide. Looking at first and last you'll see the Steelers travel eight and a half times less then the Rams for games within their division.
Overall
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1 Pittsburgh Steelers |
664 |
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2 Green Bay Packers |
717 |
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3 Cleveland Browns |
753 |
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4 Chicago Bears |
895 |
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5 Cincinnati Bengals |
1046 |
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6 Baltimore Ravens |
1141 |
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7 Atlanta Falcons |
1168 |
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8 Minnesota Vikings |
1381 |
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9 Detroit Lions |
1465 |
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10 Carolina Panthers |
1535 |
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11 Tennessee Titans |
1668 |
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12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers |
1694 |
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13 Washington Redskins |
1715 |
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14 Philadelphia Eagles |
1736 |
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15 New Orleans Saints |
1837 |
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16 New York Jets |
1845 |
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17 New York Giants |
1888 |
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18 New England Patriots |
2154 |
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19 Indianapolis Colts |
2187 |
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20 Buffalo Bills |
2188 |
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21 Houston Texans |
2676 |
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22 Denver Broncos |
2944 |
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23 Dallas Cowboys |
3024 |
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24 San Diego Chargers |
3179 |
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25 Jacksonville Jaguars |
3245 |
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26 Oakland Raiders |
3556 |
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27 San Francisco 49ers |
3615 |
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28 Arizona Cardinals |
3696 |
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29 Kansas City Chiefs |
4009 |
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30 Miami Dolphins |
4137 |
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31 Seattle Seahawks |
4346 |
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32 St. Louis Rams |
5657 |
The biggest thing for me here is this is distance teams travel every year. Teams at the top of the list should have an advantage compared to teams throughout the league once the playoffs begin since less travel means more rest and practice.
Now what to do with all this data?
My plan is to now take this data and determine a realignment plan that gets everyone traveling close to the same distance within their division. This should accomplish a few things in my eyes.
First is the financial benefit. Teams would be traveling less which should lower costs.
Another financial benefit would be the closer distance teams would be to their division rivals. I firmly believe the closer you get to your rivals the better chance you have of fans traveling to away games. Realignment should raise ticket sales since fans would be located closer to away games in their division.
The amount of advantage or disadvantage that this proves is debatable. I’m not trying to say this is a huge factor when Sunday comes but it does become more of a factor as the season moves forward.
Up next I’ll post my ideas for realignment and what I think it should look like.
Thanks for taking the time to read this for those who stuck with it, I know it wasn't easy. It isn’t very spicy but you wouldn’t believe me if I told you how long I worked on it.
UPDATE: Take a look at this map, it's fantastic. Click on the points on the map for additional info and views.
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wow
you can tell its the slowest time of the year FA has calmed down and now we wait for the draft..
How much time do you have on your hands?
LOL
very informative bro, one thing i love about this site..i learn more than i ever needed about my favorite team
Thanks
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Good job man! What a novel idea for a post. Rec'd!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
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Also I see your point and it makes perfect sense. Too bad the league will probably never go
for a total realignment due to traditional rivalry’s. I’m sure there will be some level of realignment if teams are moved or added but not to the degree that your are talking about.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
When I do the realignment post I'm going to try and maintain some key rivalries
We’ll see how many I can keep together while also balancing things out as much as possible.
Thanks for rec’s
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
But if you were to do it to truly save money then we would be in a division with
Jacksonville, Tampa and Atlanta. It would kill our traditional rivalry’s but I could see in like 5 to 10 years the rivalry’s between us and our instate rivals being more intense than the ones we have now. Of course I will still hate the Jets!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
that's in the best case for the Dolphins
You’re probably close but I’m going to try and make it so everyone is traveling the same average distance within all the divisions. It’s still going to require travel. There are just as many teams in other directions that the Falcons could match up with.
The Dolphins Jets rivalry would be one I’d try and maintain.
Any ideas on other rivalries I should keep going?
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Raiders/Denver, Dallas/Washington, Pittsburgh/Baltimore, Greenbay/Minnesota
There are a bunch more.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
I'll compile them all and do a poll
Some that I’d like to promote as well. Pats/Indy comes to mind.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Thats a good one.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
looks like 1300 miles is about the average
so keeping Dolphins-Jets would be reasonable. Fins-Jets would be one of the farthest distances on the east coast if what I’m thinking about works. Its pretty good compared to the west coast teams. That’s going to be rough working out but I think there’s much to improve.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it should be more averaged out if possible just to make it fair to everyone.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
real friggen nicely how u incorporate the fans can travel with the team no more flight's a thousand mile's away.
shit we probable could take a bus for that mater they have sellout’s but know the owners have a good reason to get that bigger stadium hell they may lower prices a few hundred buck a ticketsay if the stadium can hold 200,000 people owner is gona make so much dow that he wont give a shit!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 9, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
bro they will never cheapen the seats, as long as people want them the prices will continue to rise, look at fucking jerry jones' shit
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 9, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
This^
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
I have yet to attend one function at the Death Star.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
or is it Goliath's GF's clit?
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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That sux i cant aford season ticket's any longer.
my son four year’s now.i want him to no the sperit that i’ve felt. most of all, i want to take him to those special game’s, were the whole stadeium rock’s.you can’t talked to the person next to you cuz u can’t here him. You comunicate with hand signal’s & there’s this shit eating grin that doesen’t leave your face till the next day if then.
by wild zion beaver on Mar 9, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha yea i know those games
fucking awesome, it sucks…i have been getting lucky the last couple years by knowing people that can get me tickets (more specifically most events at Dolphins Stadium and Panthers, ugh lol) lol, i love my life
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 9, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
free tickets to panthers games are awesome
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
hell yea
especially in the club level lol
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 9, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
YES
lol club level is sick.. I went saturday night, sat 19 rows up behind the goal.. in the row right behind where the ice dancers perform.. one of them gave me and my buddy the tickets because we know her from like elementary school all the way up..
connections are good
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
haha i can top that
my mom’s bf is buddy buddy with one Mr. Wayne Huizenga…he flew to a Dolphins game with the man himself in his helicopter
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 9, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
that's a win right there
I still think “close friends with ice dancer” along with “close friends with dolphins cheerleader” and compound that with “close friends with model” and I think I win lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
lol well sure when you add them all together maybe lol
but if i can get almost any ticket to nearly any event in the South Florida region…maybe even outside, i haven’t even tried that lol
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 9, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
i think that trumps you
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 9, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
so can I lol
just can’t use the same connection for all of em
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha i can!
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 9, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nicky - I didn't think your boy models even like sports!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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they don't
they like shiny things and shit.. the girls do though lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 10, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
If that was our new division, we'd probably win every year. It'd be the new NFC West
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Nice work.
But I have established a true distain for the rest of the AFC and would hate to have to regroup.
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what if it meant having healthier and happier players
as well as a much better chance to see the Fins on the road. This may even create drops in ticket prices if it attracts that many fans from nearby rival teams.
Go get Suh if at all possible.
by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Drop in ticket prices! SAW made a joke!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
I'm realigning the NFL, I can drop ticket prices as well
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
You can sure try!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
I may even....
relocate someone to LA in the realignment. Maybe two teams. Maybe I’ll add a team or two and redo the playoffs as well.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Move a team to San Antonio. They want a team, they are now the 10 largest city
and the more teams in Texas the better chance I have to drive to a Phins game.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
I saw an article recently that Jerry would block it from every direction
I have a feeling Bob McNair might have a problem as well.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
But its the second largest city behind LA without a team and they want
one so its stupid to block it. Selfish bastards!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 8, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
If it helps in the average I'll do it
We’ll just put Jerry in a permanent rotation for the SB
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
No! Do not validate the Death Star!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Mar 8, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
the NBA All-Star game was impressive
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Still. Dont help the crazy man!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Mar 8, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Canada or Mexico maybe?
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Mexico City? HUGE population and they love American football.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Has a metro area with over 21 million people.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm talking to Tags about it right now
Roger is already in bed but Tags is a night owl ever since he retired.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Tags!
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by texascowpunk on Mar 8, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
toronto wants the bills
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I guess its good that someone wants them.
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I guess...
I could be retrained.
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I would have to see studies done over at least an 8 year period,
I’ll bet the numbers are very close.
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what kind of stats are you looking for over the 8 year period?
I was thinking about the cycle that I’d have to look at for an even observation. Give me your ideas, I’m not opposed to expanding this as well.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Just to scientifically diagnose it more thoroughly,
thats all I’m talking about, the more cycles you look at the more complete picture you get.
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by uncle finster on Mar 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
wins/loses?
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Up to you.
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by uncle finster on Mar 8, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I see what your saying
I see if I can find anything that stands out over a time frame. I’ll find something but like Dan Henning says “Stats are like loose women, you can do whatever you want with them.”.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
lol, zactly
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by uncle finster on Mar 8, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
That would help strengthen your argument.
If a team’s record is better/worse during times when they travel farther/shorter distances. And as finster said, it should be over a longer time period for a better comparison (5 years would be good). That way you eliminate the one year fluke.
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by uncle finster on Mar 9, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
amazing point
the travel aspect is HUGE. take it from me, i’ve flown around the world at least 5 times, and 2 of those times were within a 2 week period. The hassle of flying, the jet lag, and the annoyance is enough to really wipe out your energy. idk how football teams do it every other week for 4 months a year. Its gotta be rough.
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I haven’t traveled nearly as much as you but the time involved is key as you said. When you count it all up it must equate to teams getting more practice then others.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
i always knew the seahawks travel the most by far
they are all alone up there in the north-western part of the country…in our division all the teams are up in the NE region which is very jampacked in there, with 2 of the teams being in the same state, and with us being the southern most team in the NFL, it is a clear disadvantage for us, but i think we have faired pretty well…i am torn about whether to realign…while yes there will be lower costs, more potential to go to an away divisional game (like goin to jax, tampa, and even new orleans or atlanta) for games would be great and much cheaper and easier than going to NY, Buffalo or Boston, it would probably create even more of a rivalry (the closer the teams are to each other geographically the more hatred there seems to be between the teams, just look at college rivalries)…but if you do change the system, you are going to be killing the current great rivalries that exist in the game today, and there will be a huge adjustment for everybody psychologically as well as the skematics and all the other stuff that needs to be worked out…oh and they would probably need to get more teams in the west to balance it out a bit
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 8, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions
check out what TCP and me were saying about the rivalries
I’ll try and keep the important ones.
Look at the Rams, they have it the worst in the division. They travel 1300 more miles then the Seahawks.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
well that's within the division
but overall for the year
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 9, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
is ther an easy way to highlight all the team names?
I ran autotags but that isn’t recognizing all the team names, any help?
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hightlight=link
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 8, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
i dont get it
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Its a nice idea but,
It won’t impact our beloved Phins. If the NFL wanted to change our division then they would have kept Indianapolis in the AFC East and put us in the AFC South (where we would have been coasting to division titles every year like the Colts have basically done). You look at the old divisions and what rivalries existed and it was obvious that the southernmost AFC East team belongs in the South when you have 4 other teams in the northern half of the country.
But making a division with the Texans, Titans, Jaguars, and Dolphins would have been a marketing disaster in that the Dolphins had been rivals of the Bills, Patriots, and Jets since their inception. Historically, it just made sense to make a new division comprised of two teams that hadn’t existed for a decade, a revamped franchise (Titans), and the odd man out from another division (Colts being the only obvious choice)
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That would be the best case for the Fins
Won’t be the case when I post the realignment. If you read the comments above we discussed this last night and basically came to the idea that some rivalries could be kept. Just having some fun but those numbers don’t lie, there’s plenty of room for improvement.
Even if I keep the Fins, Pats and jets together add a team closer to Miami it should help a ton. Keep an open mind until you see the post I do mapping it out and explaining the advantages.
I think you’ll be surprised how many rivalries can be maintained as well as promoted.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 9, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'm agreeing with you that some rivalries will be kept
I’m wishing we were given a fluff division for the majority of the last decade. I look forward to your realignment and already want to see who we’d get rid of.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 9, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Updated with great map view
link at the bottom of the post
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 9, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions
this was really neat
as much as i love the AFC East competition i believe that if it was Miami, Tampa, Jax, and Atlanta (Southeast Division) that in a couple years it would be a serious rivalry just like cowpunk said.
As for the others…
I’d like to see the Niners, Raiders, Chargers and Hawks- West Division
Cards, Broncos, Texans and Cowboys in the Southwest
Titans, Saints, Panthers and Cincinatti aren’t super close but would make up the East
Vikings, Pack, Bears,and Lions stay in the North
Chiefs, Rams, Colts and Steelers make the Midwest division
Pats, Jets. Cleveland and Bills in the Northeast division
Eagles, Giants Redskins and Ravens in the Coastal
this would be my proposal, curious to see how u do it saw!
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Thats exactly what I was talking about. The old rivalry's would go away but with everyone
playing games that are more regional in their division the new rivalry’s could potentially be even more heated. You see what happens with college ball. Teams leave one conference for another but it does not take long for new rivalry’s to being even as others fade away. Either way it will be necessary to realign once teams get moved around or added.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 9, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
geez man, very thorough. rec'd for being un-samorizable
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If I may throw my 2 cents in…here’s my idea (would require some teams to move)
Southeast: Dolphins, Jaguars, Buccaneers, Falcons
Southwest: Texans, Cowboys, Saints, Bills (San Antonio)
Northeast: Patriots, Jets, Giants, Eagles
Federal: Redskins, Ravens, Steelers, Browns
North: Packers, Vikings, Bears, Lions (NFC North stands pat)
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and if its far they fly, takes about the same amount of time either way
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nothing like a bus ride to bring a team together
I might just watch Remember the Titans to prove the point to myself
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I've tried a total of 46 combinations
and I’m still not satisfied. I’ll post the realignment stats as soon as I’m done. The first one I’m doing has the current 32 teams staying in place.
The next one I do will have a team or two relocated. That one will be easy because adding teams like LA and San Antonio drastically improves the stats in regards to teams related to the West and Southwest areas.
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t really enjoying this project. Trying to balance out a mix of rivalries and new divisions is like trying to put a puzzle together.
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 10, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions
But LA has proved more than once it can't support a team,
and San Antonio is too small to support a team in all likelihood, seeing as how most are already fans of some other team.
And not to make it any harder, lol, but I think its more important to find out how many hours are spent traveling, a 1000 mile flight is not much different then a 1300 mile flight.
A 150 mile bus trip can take about the same time a 1000 mile flight takes, very complicated, lol.
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by uncle finster on Mar 10, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US and only behind LA as the largest city
not to contain an NFL franchise. San Antonio has been lobbying for a team for a few years now. I believe that SA can support a franchise as football is like a religion in this state. LA is a different story. There are so many other things that people are interested in the SoCal area and as you stated they have shown that they have a problem supporting a franchise. The big issue with that is the NFL insists that they need a franchise there so I believe that it will happen.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
There are big problems though,
proximity to Houston, are all the Houston fans there just going to change allegiance?
There’s a bout 2 mil in San Antonio, but not much outside of it, how many of them watch football, and then how many are set in who they root for, be it Houston or Dallas or Phoenix or where ever, is that enough to keep a team going or will they in turn have to sell in a couple years.
Other cities like LA, Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Philly, Boston and NY, and most NFL cities really, have a much larger area to draw from, once out side these cities there are sprawling suburbs that have more people then the cities, not so in San Antonio.
Small market teams are hard to set, which is why its rare that a small market area gets a team, thats why all the small market teams have been there for a long time.
There is a lot of doubt in NFL circles that SA can support a team, personally I don’t see how they can, you need new fans, and if your a real fan of a team you just can’t change, so where are all the new fans coming from, the team will be gone by the time everyones kids grow up, lol.
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by uncle finster on Mar 10, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well as far as proximity to Houston is concerned I think 200 miles apart is not really
that close. As far as the metro area of SA there is Austin that is a 45 min drive away and the entire area in between the two which are booming and growing. There are far more than 2 million people in say an hour driving radius of the city and growing as fast if not faster than any area in the country. I follow home starts because of the business that I am in. The central Texas area (San Antonio/Austin and areas in between) are at present leading the country with no end in site.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 10, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
And it's not like Houston fans are especially invested in their team
They’ve only had a single winning season in their entire history.
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Also have to look at it with Jax moving to LA and Buffalo moving to Toronto
Now if they moved Seattle to Vegas and Denver to Salt Lake City, AFC West would make more sense!
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