Safety Ryan Clark arrives in Miami for free agency visit
by Matty I on Mar 7, 2010 7:22 PM EST
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We've been wondering since Friday what the Dolphins planned to do about their hole at safety. Tonight we're hearing of a potential solution. The Palm Beach Post and Miami Herald are reporting that Steelers' free agent safety Ryan Clark has arrived in Miami for an official visit scheduled tomorrow.
Clark arrived today and Jeff Darlington was there to greet the safety. Darlington tweets that "without question" Clark hopes to make Miami his one and only visit as a free agent. Clark said of this visit:
"There were a lot of good offers and a lot of good fits. But this seems like a good spot. So I’m praying it goes well."
So what do you think? Would Clark be a good fit in Miami?
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He's got a few good years left
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Yep, I definitely caled this one if the sign him!
Here’s the link to my post several days ago about how we should pursue Ryan Clark instead of Rolle.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Mar 7, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
wow
your special
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
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by Blaze453 on Mar 7, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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by JP 23 on Mar 7, 2010 9:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Crap.
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about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok."
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by JP 23 on Mar 7, 2010 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL..... who's special now...? LOL
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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 7, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yah that was an uber burn....ouch....
Since all you can contribute is “wow your special”, awesome job ya D.O.U.C.H.E. = Blaze453
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Mar 7, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I was right there with you...
I knew they were gonna go after him…Should be an upgrade definitely
Of course Tom Brady has to marry someone with Giz in her name. How fitting???
Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?
this was my post
Well, we definitely got our prize I believe that we will sign Ryan Clark….They say he is a better tackler than Rolle, and i also believe that we will sign either Derrick Mason, or Antonio Bryant…you heard it here.
Of course Tom Brady has to marry someone with Giz in her name. How fitting???
Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?
by FinzD54 on Mar 5, 2010 10:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Of course Tom Brady has to marry someone with Giz in her name. How fitting???
Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?
not one person cares that you called it
people are on this site to find out info about our Dolphins, not your Dolphins that YOU think you know more or better about. Thank you.
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Hey bro,
Personally i don’t care what you have to say about what i post…that’s your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I am saying that i posted it already, and when i did, i got hammered from people saying it won’t happen. All i’m saying is i said this would happen on Satureday, because i like him as a player. I don’t think i am the next Schefter, nor do i care to be. This site is all about people reporting, and posting Dolphins’s news, so that WE the FANS can get the latest up to the minute info-the REASON THIS SITE WAS VOTED NUMBER ONE, was because of fans like us. If you don’t like to post, don’t read it-That simple. No one claims to know more than the other about their team, however, there are hundreds of posts here every off-season, and thousands of mock drafts that go on, so where have you been? Do you shit on every mock draft posted by someone? Because to me, it seems as though you think you know more than the rest of us, or think you are above people, with your smart-ass comment. I will continue to post what i please. You on the other hand, can either read it or not, your choice. YOUR WELCOME
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Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?
lol time-out
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 8, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Cant we all just get along????
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by texascowpunk on Mar 8, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
My bad bro...just needed to hit back...I'll go back to being my quiet self now.
Of course Tom Brady has to marry someone with Giz in her name. How fitting???
Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?
Speak for yourself
I am on here to socialize, chat, share my love for the Dolphins. I definitely don’t want to sit here reading uncalled for comments by a guy is in a pissed off mood. If you don’t like what someone comments, feel free to skip over it. You almost sound like you are a JEST fan with that attitude!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
AMEN BRO!!!!
Of course Tom Brady has to marry someone with Giz in her name. How fitting???
Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?
I am all for it....especially over Wilson!
Plus he is one of the bigger hitters at his position! Something we have lacked for a long time!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I perfer Atogwe
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same here, but cant complain about clark
besides, doesnt atogwe have some sort of tender on him?
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right to first refusal tender
meaning STL can match, but if they don’t, we don’t have to give them compensation
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
ok
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"Violence is not the answer, it's the question; the answer is YES!!!"
hence we should steal hm
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i like Clark....
but isn’t he mostly a strong safety type of player…
He just reminds me alot of Gibril Wison that hits a hell of alot harder….
Does anyone know if this guy actually has some cover skills?
Polamalu as a SS is better at coverage
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sorry my mistake.
what i meant to say is that Polamalu who plays a SS is better than Clark at Coverage considering he’s a FS
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yea, but its polimalu, best SS in the league
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Id look great playing next to him and i dont even play safety
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but still, he is an upgrade over wilson, and at least will complete our secondary
is he anything special? not really, but he is solid, which is fine for us
that means we dont have to play him the national debt
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lol exactly
if he’s the same player as Wilson for cheaper, I’m still happy with it at this point
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
no
same player as Wilson
i wouldnt take wilson if he payed US to play for miami
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 7, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
lol, yea i agree
but clark, fortunately, is BETTER than wilson, so we will upgrade at the position, and for less cash, provided we sign him, at least
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i would...
read that statement again lol
if he payed YOU 1 million you wouldnt say yes?
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Profootballfocus.com
Has Wilson as the better run stopping Safety and Clark as the better coverage guy. But I want my FS as a cover guy not a run stopper so I would gladly take the upgrade over Wilson.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
This^
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polamalu barely played last season
5 games
clark was beast by himself!!!!
check yo self
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 7, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Steelers fan chiming in
Clark probably had the worst season of his career last year with Troy out. Don’t get me wrong, I like Clark he was a great compliment to Troy. However, I do realize that Troy made Clark great when he was just good.
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my thoughts exactly.
im worried he is better because of how good troy is
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 7, 2010 7:26 PM EST reply actions
THIS ISNT THE ANSWER JUST INSURANCE IF WE DONT FIND ONE IN THE DRAFT
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he might also be coming to allow Clemons more time to develop
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
well put mi amigo
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 7, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
gracias senor
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
thats peezy to you
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 7, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
didn't I give you that nickname? lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
no finsx did... you just made it the new "hip" thing to say
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 7, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
*the award winning nickname btw
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 7, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
well...
I invented the award, so I still win hahaha
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
except now the award actually has a meaning to it
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 8, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Remember Eric Green
I agree he would be an insurance policy but I think that his production in Pittsburgh was helped in large part by playing next to Troy Polamalu. I’d rather play Clemons or a another rookie and take a pass on this free agent.
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Mar 7, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Eric Green the Sodomite?
owned? i think so
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by special agent wildcat on Mar 7, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
guess he got F'ed in a the A too
zing! on a roll!
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by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not too big on Clack..
Pittsburgh is letting him walk because they want somebody better than Clark playing alongside Troy, so I’m not sure if he’s an upgrade to Wilson. I’d rather draft one, have the rook compete with Clemons, and start a young secondary around Bell, but I can’t really complain about bringing in a veteran from a good organization that has experience in our defensive system.
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I'm with you n ths Nicky
I haven’t given up on Clemons I want to see what the kids does this year. All things considering though he can’t possibly be any worse that Wilson and Rolle was just too expensive. If we can get him to come in as a body/vet to help Clemons and contribute wht, ya know? If the price is right that is…..being low.
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by Neo on Mar 7, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO............ Clack!
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I actually believe the Steelers wanted Clark back
And I would like to believe Clark when he said he wanted to play next to Troy. However, I believe Clark’s agent inflated his ego and made Clark believe he was the best FS out there. Therefore, Clark was looking to be paid more than he is worth or we were willing to throw at him. I believe that at a more affordable amount, the Steelers would have been glad to keep him.
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Could be a valid point
The Steelers have a history of letting good defenders go vs overpaying them because they feel that they have someone in developement that can step in a fill his role. Take a look at the LBs that the Steelers let go over the last 15 years…..and their defense never seemed to miss a beat!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
They need a veteran presence
before we give them the keys. Culver does well, but not enough to be a starter. Clemons? Still raw and questionable.
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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
He will be camp competition.
Bring him in if he is cheap, but I think the kid from St. Louis is better.
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Also, I am a huge fan of Adrian Zmed! Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock!
He won't be cheap
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i think it will be a good fit
and that he could be the solution…and you know what they say, the player usually signs with the first team he visits =D
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 7, 2010 7:40 PM EST reply actions
I like him.
Pretty good stat line and a stone cold hitter…if the price is right, it’s a great pickup.
would clark really be an upgrade?
and can we really trust any FA secondary evaluations by the current admin? they really need to go back and look at their metrics for the secondary… i’ve seen nothing but failure out of them to date?
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davis and smith?
plus we got mike nolan in their ears.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 7, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
while they do have potential
the stats from last year say they were below average(smith) or very poor (davis) cover guys… so yes they do show potential but the numbers say neither was even an average NFL CB.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 7, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Smith was below average?
Stats, Inc. had Smith allowing only 35 receptions on 73 targets. That burn % of 47.9% was 16th best in the entire NFL. Not bad for a rookie who has only been playing the position for 3 years.
memory might be going
maybe it was over that last 8, but I’ll trust your number… before we mention that he was poor in run support and it’s hard to judge him because teams didn’t throw his way because it was very easy to throw on davis.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 7, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
ok - don't get old - or at least on the internet
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/9022/dolphins-rookie-cbs-need-offseason-aloe
wrong stat line – the 2 of them gave up more yardage per completion than just about anyone else….
but once again was his target rate so low because teams found it so easy to throw at davis or because smith was good?
which brings me back to the my earlier point (which is likely moot now that clark went back to pitt – thank goodness)
that the metric the triad uses for DB’s doesn’t seem to be working, or at least hasn’t yet.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 9, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
i agree that the Triad has had some problems with a couple of DBs
but i think part of the problem (aside from being rookies) last year on D was the D Coord.
I fully expect to see these kids take a major step forward this year.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
interesting
no one seem to take issue with the DC the year before… although i’m sure i’m not the only one who took umbrage with the frequent single coverage scheme’s on some of the best WR in the business….
but i certainly understand you opinion or hope that it wasn’t the players but the scheme… i’m just a little less certain when it comes to the DBs… since it’s starting to look like more of a history of poor PP choices then coaching.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 9, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
my expectation of the D is that it would take a step forward...
not 3 steps back. The first season should have been a baseline.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 10, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Davis very poor? Come on! That's a little harsh.
The stats may indeed tell a story but common sense has to tell you another story. Davis was picked on quite a bit for whatever reason an he gave up some plays but he also made some very big plays like that int that he pulled out of Randy Moss’ ass.(sorry lol) But, the bottom line is he went against the absolute top WR’s in the game every week. Also, don’t forget that push-off by T.O. Davis wasn’t great but I thought he did ok. He went through his growing pains and I think he’ll be a badazz from now on.
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matty or one of the other stat guys
can pull the number – but i’m pretty sure he ranked in the bottom FIVE for all CB’s for completion percentage with more then 25 or 40 attempts against… it was a bad number…
but you are correct… he does have some skills and shows potential… I LOVED him as a run stuffer and tackler.. and he did get matched up one on one alot against elite WR’s… but all that doesn’t change the fact that last season he wasn’t a very good cover CB… now we all hope he lives up to his potential, but we also hope t ginn & J allen lives up to his potential… it’s getting from the potential to be great to being great that is the hard step.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 8, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a finance guy I love stats and numbers..
However, they went after Davis overwhelmingly every week. We’re talking all not some but all of the best WR tandems AND the 2 Superbowl teams with Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. The freakig MVP and Superbowl MVP! How many of the average CB’s would do any better than Davis did. Stats always tell a story but interpreting the real story is key. Davis was not that bad. I think is was an above average CB last year, not great just better that most would do under the circumstances.
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I watched all the games
so I am less concerned about stats. What I saw was a more well rounded, more complete CB than most rookies – including Smith. Davis was very quick to come up and play the quick screens and also very quick to turn his hips and get downfield with a WR. He played the ball well and he was physical with the receivers. He made mistakes from being overly aggressive early in the year that I did not see him continually make throughout the season. Watching him in the Pats game cover Moss was an example of how well he can shut down a top WR (before I hear anyone say that was not a nice performance, 2 catches for 66 yds is pretty solid for a rookie covering Randy Moss).
And this is just talking about is man coverage, and not even taking into account his run support.
Smith had a very narrow set of responsibilities assigned to help him adjust to the NFL, but from everything I saw of Davis, the coaching staff treated him like a polished NFL player – moving him around, giving him bump and run, prevent, and zone assignments. Davis was very good for a rookie, and looked capable of handling any assignment. He never seemed to lose confidence, but learned from his mistakes. The only knock I see on him is lack of NFL experience.
IMO
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 8, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
can't disagree with any of this
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 9, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
for the most part i agree
but was suprised to fin out that davis rated 54th in the league for dbs last year in terms of solo tackle efficiency…http://www.profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=132
so I DO like davis and was impressed with his play last year, but that said he has a lot of room for improvement before he even reaches the ‘good’ stage… but he does have the potential…
but with that in mind – how do you feel about the triad’s choices for DB’s … I’d have to grade it in the D range so far?
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 9, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
I just sorta address this above, but
yeah, the Triad’s choice with a few DBs so far have been a little weak. ButI would draw a distinction between trying to get guys on the cheap in FA (Green, Wilson, and what was that Safety from Dallas?), and drafting with high draft picks to the position. They have a poor track record, in general in FA, but a pretty solid record in the draft. i think these two will play much better with Nolan running the show, and a 2nd year in the NFL.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
so do we grade the NFL on a curve now?
last time i checked … the any team that wants to win a championship is going to have to play and beat teams with the best players (and most likely the MVP’s) and those MVP QB’s are going to find the weak points and continue to abuse teams that can’t correct… so mssrs davis and smith better improve if the dolphins hope to win a championship… cause wayne, moss, manning, brady, and breese etc aren’t going away anytime soon.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 9, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Get your stats right brother
Smith was thrown at 67 times and 38 were completed (56.7%) which ranked him about 36th of 107 CBs
David wasn’t as good, being thrown at 76 times and allowing 48 completions (63.2%) which was ranked 65th out of 107
Those are very respectable numbers for a team going with 2 rookies starting at CB. They are only going to get better next year.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well if you go to profootballfocus.com
Davis was graded at 28th (out of 107) and Smith was graded at 34. I can live with those rankings for two rookie CBs with very poor help at the safety position. Granted grading depends on what you are looking at. They had very bad scores in regards to QB ranking when thrown at, but that isn’t the necessarily the best grading criteria which is why I like profootballfocus.com over most grading sites. Davis and Smith gave up too many big plays but their down to down play was very good for the most part. I expect rookie CBs to get burned in their first year but they were always competing against some beastly (skills not necessarily size) WRs that we faced (Moss, Johnson, Welker, Smith, TO, Wayne, White, Edwards, etc). I really expect much better results next year from both of our CBs, especially if we get an upgrade at the FS position!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's a little strong considering the only real failure was Gibril
Davis and Smith both worked out, as they both appear to be very promising young CB’s. Bell was re-signed, and he ended up as a pro bowler (albeit thanks to a few dropouts). Clemons was a 5th rounder, and has stuck. He’s a good special teamer, and could eventually become a starter at FS. I see more hits than failures. Eric Green IMO was insurance in case we didn’t get Vontae and/or Sean in the draft.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
besides.. they like goin old school with safeties
Parcells is looking for the new Bruise Brothers
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lol I don't think that works anymore
teams are passing more, you need ballhawks.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
thats why we have sean smith and vontae davis :)
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good point though
two shutdown corners can leave room for the second coming of the Bruise Brothers
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i know that lol
he is in denial
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And Ryan Clark was one of the better defenders against the pass
He only allowed a 38.5% completion rate (10 completeions out of 26 passes thrown against him) which was the 5th best out of all safeties….especially when factoring in number of snaps played. The only safety higher than him with comparable number of snaps was Sharper for the Saints. Sharper allowed 13 out of 37 passes to be completed (35.1%) Oh and Clark only gave up 15 YAC the whole year.
So Clark should definitely be a huge improvement over Wilson’s 58.1 completion % (18 completions in 31 passes) with 99 YAC.
Clark had 3 INTs vs 0 for Wilson
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
how quickly you forget, i guess
skipping the roster fillers (barbers or billingsley), who one frankly can’t expect much from, they did spend good money on chris crocker and eric green neither who is/was hmmm good? not to mention the 4 year deal to lehan and the donation to keith davis…
And then lets look at the rooks… Davis, who i do like and think has potential was one of the worst cover corners in the league last year by % of passes defended and Smith was average… and i’m still not sold on smith yet, since i’m sure people avoided him because, well it was so easy to throw on davis…
then they let goodman and hill walk, and each has a much better season than ANY player on the dolphins secondary (and outside of starks maybe the defense)
and that is before we even get to discussing the players they let go to other teams while bringing in an eric green and chris crocker.
So no i don’t think i’m being harsh on them in this area… they have earned the right to be questioned about decisions about the secondary… because honestly they haven’t brought in anyone yet who has performed… now the hope is davis and smith develop into great CB’s but they are a long ways away still.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 7, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well Said WNYFF!
I agree with your assessment completely.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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thanks
a lot of people read the fish wraps and think somehow that athletic potential makes a guy a good CB, well davis has potential and to his credit is one heck of a run stopper… but he was TERRIBLE in coverage last year (IIRC bottom five for completion percentage) and as a result i’m not sure there is a grade on smith (who look poor himself at the end of the year)
and somehow the tuna crew somehow gest a pass in some of the POOR choices that they have made in this area of the team…
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 7, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
okay, that's it.
you are on time out.
go to your room.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 8, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Dude get your stats straight
Don’t go quoting how bad someone was unless you can give me the numbers! I gave you the numbers as well as the website for you to verify. And I can tell you as someone that watches each game 3 times/minimum, their numbers are almost dead on the same as mine (granted I don’t know how they grade with their number values but when calculating completed passes, pass defended, thrown at, completion %, we were within one in each catagory)
So please research before you start throwing numbers out. I have stated that they were near the bottom of the league in QB rating against….but not in the thrown at vs completion %. And besides, are you sure that the catagory you want to use is “passes defended”? That isn’t an actual stat. There is a stat called “passes deflected” but I don’t think you want to quote that stat either. Sean Smith was ranked 16th out of 107 CB in “passes deflected” with 10 while Vontae Davis was ranked 28th out of 107 CB with 8 “passes deflected”.
So once again, what grading system are you using?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
well i'll give you the espm
link for the Profootballfocus stuff.. but davis and smith weren’t good and looking at it overall they might be considered poor…
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8882/jets-cbs-dont-feel-the-burn
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/11372/hits-and-misses-which-cbs-cant-tackle
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/9022/dolphins-rookie-cbs-need-offseason-aloe
anyways – the most daming of numbers is the yardage that they do give up…
but once again – even if you think davis and smith can be good DB’s (which I believe is possible) the point i’m making is the triad has made 5 significant investments in DB’s before we get to wilson’s replacement…. and not one of them has been average… and the FA’s have been awful at best…
does Ireland need to so a self scout on his process or have they just had some bad luck with Wilson, Green, Crocker, Davis, Billingsley, etc???
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 9, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Davis, that was the guy.
Billingsley shouldn’t really count.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 9, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Good articles
Though their sources were arguably innaccurate as well
Using the criteria that they stated…..Shawn Springs (New England) was the worst with a 66.0 % Completion rate (33 out of 50 passes) as well as Jonathan Wilhite (also New England) had a 65.7% Completion rate (44 out of 67 passes). That would rank Davis 3rd worse in that catagory (which by the way doesn’t fully identify the skill set of the CB). That isn’t a bad mark for a rookie on a team with two rookie CBs. I have to say that I trust profootball focus’ numbers more than ESPNs. And we all know that ESPN has a bias to the Patriots and Jets anyways. By the way, profootballfocus had Smith’s numbers worse than ESPN did 56.7% (38 out of 67 passes) vice 49.7% (35 out of 73 passes).
The missed tackles numbers were correct, but I would argue again that statistic isn’t the defining measurement of skills at the CB position. How many missed tackles do you think Dion Sanders had?
We all know that Davis and Smith gave up too many TDs and too many yards (explaining their ranking near the bottom in both catagories). But keep in mind, some of that is to be expected from rookies and some of it is a product of a lot of single coverage resulting from the coverage the defense was running. A good CB playing mostly single coverage will always have worse numbers than a good CB playing in zones or getting support from double coverage. QBs always look for single coverage and shy away from double.
If you really watched the games you would see that Davis and Smith had a lot of good plays, where they reacted quickly and correctly and had positive effects on the play. Over time what you hope is that they learn from their mistakes and the number of positive plays greatly outnumbers the negative ones.
No one is debating that they don’t have a lot of room for improvement. They do. But what other team started two rookie CBs against arguably the toughest schedule matchup (based on opposition WRs) besides Miami for virtually the whole season? None.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 10, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I do agree that we should have kept Goodman
He had some of the better numbers the year before!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Goodman only played well at the end of the season.
He was horible before that.
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Coach Paul Bear Bryant
In 2008
Goodman was ranked 20th out of 114 CBs so he wasn’t that bad. He only gave up 2 TDs and picked off 5 passes. That doesn’t seem horrible to me.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 9, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
without looking at the numbers
he was good in 06 – not so good in 07 (but iirc he played hurt) and had a under appreciated very good 08… but his size/age didn’t fit into the triad’s DB metric… so they brought in crocker in to replacehim… …. and to that i say child please…
but agree with you on this point.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 9, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't look at the numbers in 2007
So I can’t comment. But he was definitely one of the better guys in 2008. I would also agree that Crocker was garbage.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 10, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
if we took that approach, we'd be only reminding ourselves of gibril wilson
instead of how to get over gibril wilson.
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 7, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
just watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRFqOipcTg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyNy-TkDGB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8BEdeAwnxk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBL0ztrKQq8
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well, people that hit hard force incompletions and fumbles...
and he is solid at best i coverage, i beleive, nothing special, but definitely better than gibril
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Good points. Sometimes all you can hope for is an upgrade at a position. Its not like you
can field a team of 22 starters that are all stars.
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He was ranked 16th overall in cover skills
and was ranked 5th in the best completion % against (38.5% of passes thrown at him were completed)
So yes, he has skills and that was with Palamalu out almost the whole year!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
This might have something to do with it
“Free safety Ryan Clark, who’s among the handful of veteran starters who volunteered for special teams duty, doesn’t believe their request will be granted.
"I asked but it’s up to Coach (Mike Tomlin)," Clark said. "I would love to play (on kickoff coverage). That’s the purist thing in football … just tackle the guy with the ball. "
Go get Suh if at all possible.
by special agent wildcat on Mar 7, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions
my question is...
…hows his character?
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I believe he has no character issues
and remember he knocked out Welker and McGahee
That was a crazy hit....
McGahee was down for like 10 minutes before leaving on a stretcher. Even Steeler fans were in disbelief and telling him to get well soon.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 7, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
No character issues but if we play in Denver he can not go because of health issues that are
affected by playing in high altitudes.
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yea, thats why he only played 15 games this season
last time he played in denver, he was hospitalized by the altitude
but at least if he cant play, clemons and culver get some playing time…
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Yeah. I only hope we would never have to go to Denver for the playoffs.
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yea, thats not very likely, though....
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No but you know how our luck is.
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thats true
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I mentioned this the other day...
And someone went as far as to tell me the percentages of times we will play in Denver and the odds we will play them if we are in the playoffs together. I was kind of joking about it and they guy seemed to get defensive about it.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 7, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
here are his stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/ryanclark/profile?id=CLA544413
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...so i would call that pretty good
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well he had 3 picks.....
i guess that’s more than Gibril
He had 3 picks last season....
While Polamalu had 3 picks in 5 games last year. I think Polamalu really makes Clark shine playing by his side.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 7, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
he doesn't create many turnovers
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Clark is not a ball hawk
He is a big hit Safety. He often misses possible picks because he is looking to hit the receiver. For that reason, he is rarely out of position, but he may miss a tackle because he is looking to put too much power into it and may get side-stepped.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 8, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
i can live with a big hitter
were supposed to have that with the gerbil
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 8, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
instead we got a whiffer. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
shit my grandma have tackled me harder and she barely knows what football is
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 8, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
He has played FS his entire career, so he has to be better than Gerbil. Plus the man makes tackles.
Ronnie Brown is the man
yea, he makes them, and doesnt let the person he tackled forget about it, with pain, lol
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if hes a decent cover guy i would take him
But i still want to see what clemens has
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by jojo phin fan on Mar 7, 2010 8:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
AWESOME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXmExSq9jog
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 7, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions
wes, thats what ypu get for leaving miami!!!! (even though it wasnt ur fault)
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Wow, I bet he can still feel that hit!
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yea probably
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 7, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
hmmmm
He is the one who picked off Thigpen in the final game to stop Miamis comeback…great pick on that play and hopefully great pick up
IF we pick him up, that is...
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u guys remember
that this was the guy that knocked out pat white
ALRITE MIAMI!!!!
draft jimmy graham and dexter mccluster
draft DEZ! nows the time for henne to become a star
sign dansby and rolle
by flsportsfan on Mar 7, 2010 8:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
no, that was ike taylor
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look, just read the title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAEgyrs1FI
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Sign him
Although he does not have a lot of interceptions, imagine how receivers will feel when he is in the area. He has plenty of speed and he packs a wallop. Coach Nolan will get this guy to be an excellent contributor in our secondary. It gives us another veteran leader in the backfield and that is what young corners. Besides the corners being inexperienced, I believe that they took a lot of unnecessary risks by going for balls that they had no chance of intercepting because they had no confidence that Wilson was going to make the tackle. That will no longer be the case.
i totally agree, good points, there
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I don't agree with this
Besides the corners being inexperienced, I believe that they took a lot of unnecessary risks by going for balls that they had no chance of intercepting because they had no confidence that Wilson was going to make the tackle.
that seems counter-productive. You take risks when you have confidence in your safeties, because you know if you miss they will bail you out. You play passive when you don’t think your FS can tackle because you don’t want to give up TD’s. And Wilson was 2nd on the team in tackles, so I don’t think anybody lacked confidence in that aspect of his game so much that they would change their approach because of it. Smith and Davis took risks because they were rookies and they don’t yet know when they can or cannot get to the ball and make the pick.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
ive always wondered....
how do you make those little green boxes for quotes and stuff?
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highlight whatever you want to put in the box
then on the little taskbar in the comment window, theres all the buttons for bold, italics, strikeout, blockquote (the little quotation marks), hyperlink, and picture.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
...so
then on the little taskbar in the comment window, theres all the buttons for bold, italics, strikeout, blockquote (the little quotation marks), hyperlink, and picture.
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you got it lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
o
my bad
ALRITE MIAMI!!!!
draft jimmy graham and dexter mccluster
draft DEZ! nows the time for henne to become a star
sign dansby and rolle
by flsportsfan on Mar 7, 2010 8:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
just saw this on NFL.com
according t the miami herald, ryan clark and the dolphins are close to a deal
so it looks like ryan clark is gonna b a dolphin!
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That was quick!
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So now whats our next move in FA?
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brandon marshall!!!
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I dont see this FO pulling that trigger.
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neither do i, but we can all dream, right?
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But whats a realistic goal for the rest of FA?
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hmmm...
if someone takes ronnie, then maybe leon washington
and maybe that TE from chicago… greg olsen, i believe
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Yes, Olsen from the U!
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yea, that would b really nice
i think hes got a 1st rd tender on him
maybe if ronnie gets signed by someone else, then we get leon, and use that 1st rd pik that we got to get olsen
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Me either
But you never know….I just don’t see it happening.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
i kno, right?
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Well at least they dont mess around once they identify their man.
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
that, and clark has said that he doesnt want to leave the facility without a contract
so that made it really easy for us, i think
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True. Its always easier if your the team of choice.
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you bro
you’re next
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
keep the good news rolling
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 7, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions
Just sign him
if we get can get him, it would be a incredibly sucessful offseason
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I dont think he is a good fit
average coverage guy that hits sounds to familar. It seems the FO wishes to address FS and draft OLBers, NT, TE, RB I am with them wish there was a better coverage FS out there or draft one shrugs
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I agree that we should draft one
would be delighted if Berry was there, but would be happy with Thomas as well if we decided to take one in the first. I’d love to get a guy like Major Wright in the mid rounds to compete with Clemons.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Atogwe is a good coverage RB
But I like bringing in a veteran who can cover decently and is one of the biggest hitters in the league. At least this time FS is his natural position.
Ronnie Brown is the man
I guess ryan's gonna be cheaper than wilson, correct?
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better be lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
maybe not
a good chunk of wilson’s money was in the upfront bonus… so off my head i think his contract was in the 3-3.5 mil per season range outside of the bonus money (which obviously was paid last year)
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by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 7, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
5.5m/y
they are projecting if the dolphins sign clark it will be about the same as wilson, which was 5.5m/y
draft micah johnson
yes and no
that is what his contract worked out to on average
found his 2011 number
Dolphins FS Gibril Wilson is due a $3.85 million salary in 2010, in addition to a $50,000 offseason workout bonus.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 8, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
oops
that would have been his 2010 number
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by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 8, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Look for NT and OLB in the draft
doubt they mess with WR this year
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
read a little bit on the steelers blog
majority says they will miss him, for the memories and all but everyone basically agreed he benefited with troy next to him to help in coverage. not sure if i like that sound of that. yeah he can hit, a lot better the wilson thats for sure, but how much of an upgrade is he really? besides vontae we really have no on our team that could be a “ball hawk”.
with that being said, the FO knows what is best for this team and will make the right choice. i just hope they arent panicing with the release of wilson and not being able to pick up rolle
draft micah johnson
i would also not mind them at least trying vontae at FS.
he obviously can cover, he has the ball hawk mentality. he is a hard hitter as well. im not sure how hard it is to transition, but rolle seemed to do a decent job. there is already chemisty between him and our secondary. so trust i dont think will be an issue.
at least try it. if it doesnt work it doesnt work. everyone is already training so there is time before the draft if we need to pick up a safety/CB or use what we already have
draft micah johnson
no need to move Vontae
or Smith, or Will Allen, or anyone. They are good at CB. Leave them there.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
just a thought
like i said. hahaha.
not trying to push people buttons, but there is 0 harm in trying it out. i like where these two young CB we have right now are too. but if there is a way we can use what we have and focus more on other needs the better.
draft micah johnson
You start changing positions....
And its like our 2nd year players being rookies all over again. Its hard enough to make the switch from college to the pros, let alone learning multiple positions. Sporano answered a question about someone wondering if they though of using Sean Smith as a WR and Sporano responded by saying no way, its hard enough for them to learn one position.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 7, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i agree
once again it was just a thought. although i think CB to FS is a little easier transistion than CB to WR
draft micah johnson
agreed...
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I'm not sure the Wilson release and Rolle were related
I tend to think we released Wilson to make some room for Dansby’s contract (we have an internal cap so we don’t get screwed when the cap comes back). I’m not sure Clark would be a panic signing, we haven’t made panic signings, and if they target a guy, they have a good feeling about him. I agree that we need a ballhawk, and I’d rather draft a guy to compete with Clemons, but I’m not gonna be mad at signing a vet safety, because I don’t know if Clemons is ready to start, and there’s no guarantees in the draft. This would at least give us a starting caliber FS and we can go from there.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that was a panic pick
I think we had Turner targeted. I’m also sure that we didn’t just have one guy targeted with that pick. That’s poor draft strategy, because you end up reaching when your guy gets snatched. You have to have a draft board that ranks pretty much every draftable player, so you know exactly where you want to go at each pick based on your board and the players left. If we wanted Barden, there wasn’t going to be any panic when he was taken. We just moved on to the next guys on our board.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 7, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
i think he is CURRENTLY an upgrade
personally i prefer otagwe but clark is a good hitter and a cheap 1-2 year deal so that clemons can prgoress might just be a good call. He’s got loads of experience and still can hit… and we got 2 young athletic corners who can flat out cover so we need 2 hard hitting safeties to take care of slot WR’s, rb’s and of course the TE. This could end up being a good move pending on what we pay for him.
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I just want a FS who can cover and minimize big plays...
It killed all of us to watch Wilson get burned regularly last season!!
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by GEtSICK13 on Mar 7, 2010 10:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I'm hoping this is a stopgap now
Originally, the title of the post excited me. Now I’m relegated to just hoping this is Eric Green v.2.0 and that Earl Thomas (or perhaps Nate Allen) and Robert Johnson are on the way.
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Clark
I would like to slip him my Tuna Can
by TunaCan on Mar 7, 2010 11:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This hurt me to watch...involves a beloved UM player, but is a nasty hit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRFqOipcTg
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 8, 2010 1:18 AM EST reply actions
cool
I’ve really liked Clark over the years, hope we sign him
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I dont know who got the worst of that.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
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Sorry Phin-Phan-Phorever u were alittle late!!
How about Clark from Pittsburgh? Rolle seems to be another version of Wilson.
I like clark from Pitt how about him. He is cheaper and plays FS!!!!
by labrat3105 on Mar 4, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I did not know there was a contest!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
there wasn't
but I totally called it anyway lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 8, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well I guess you and labrat can wrestle for the title. Good for you!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 8, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
DAMMIT
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 8, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I know
Kind of makes all this talk null and void. Ok next topic!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 9, 2010 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
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