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Are we done or will Saturday be significant? More releases or trades? Dare I say signings?

Over the last two years we've seen this team go out and sign a group of free agents in order to answer holes on the roster.  This year should be much different.

The release of Ayodele, J Pissy and WIlson creates three more roster spots but I don't think that it will create much more action in free agency.  Going into this we only had four players coming off contract.  Pennington is back and I have to assume there is a good chance JT and Ferg return.  Nate Jones signed with the Broncos yesterday.

Much more after the jump.

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Then there is the possibility Wilson or Ayodele return at a lower salary.

These last two years saw us addressing many holes but this year is different.  The roster is mostly set and spots are being opened for incoming draft picks.  Speaking of which don't forget we'll most likely have another coming to us for having more outgoing free agents last year in a compensatory pick.

Looking at the free agents left out there no one really jumps out at me.  You've got your Antonio Bryant type players who the Dolphins seem to ignore early on in hopes of bringing them back down to earth in contract demands. O.J. Atogwe looks interesting and comes without compensation for the Rams.  They'll have the ability to match the offer so without a poison pill we'll be left swinging in the wind for up to seven days.

 

Hopefully the Dolphins hit the phones today and cook me up a nice trade.  We've got four QBs on the roster now unless they plan on making White a non-QB.  Hard to guess what the plan is here but the one I just mentioned is the only that doesn't require actually choosing.

My best guess is they'll capitalize on the Thigpen buzz and move him to a QB needy team for a late 3rd or early 4th.

White will continue to run at #2 and Pennington will fill the same role as Thigpen last year.

I'm  watching for some action today with Jason Allen.  His salary is high and we honestly still need the roster spot.  Will Allen is in the same boat except his production was higher.  If Will Allen doesn't come on strong in the preseason he could have a problem.  I think that problem just landed on Jason Allen's doorstep.

 

The guy just started doing okay and it's this staff that turned him around.  Now he's forced with taking a pay cut or maybe ruining his career by going to another staff.  After seeing the team cut Ayodele, Wilson and Porter I'm curious if it's more important for Jason to stay or to go get paid again.  I hope he stays but his salary demands attention.

 

If any buzz develops for a WR then I'd guess they might be shopping Cam.  I'm not calling for it, hoping or wishing, just speculating.  He's the obvious target on this roster for getting us a good pick in return.  We've got plenty of complementary WRs although I do like what Cam brings to the table.

Watch for anything with Ronnie Brown and Fasano.  I think their lack of offers coupled with their low salaries might prompt one of them(or both) to sign a team friendly deal.  Even if it's just below market that still favors the team.  The Dolphins might have the bargaining power to get something done.  Or maybe I'm completely wrong and they'll end up playing under those tenders.

Should make for an interesting Saturday, don't forget to go out and get your NFL Play 60 today, it's sunny.  If you don't LT and a band of cartoon characters will hunt you down and sing annoying songs at you.

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I'm interested to see if we'll get a safety.

I’d like to see us make a trade for a WR. But I’d like us to sign….ANTONIO BRYANT!

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by Kdog92 on Mar 6, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

why are you so High on Antonio Bryant?

This is more a curiosity question. Seems he’s had his chances with several teams, and never produced like people suspected he would. He had a couple good years, but its been downhill since, and with added injuries to boot.

What drives the Antonio Bryant desire?

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Mar 6, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess just the talent that is there

But with the knowledge that our staff has the ability to get the most out of their players. I’d estimate something like that.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 6, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

have you seen some of the plays he's made through his career?

looking at your sig looks like your big on marshall? why you so high on him? just out of curiosity…

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by Kdog92 on Mar 6, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and he's really the last best WR left in FA

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by Kdog92 on Mar 6, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude I don't agree with Fr8Train on wanting to get Marshall but you can not compare the two.

I would drop that argument immediately. Marshall may be a bad guy but hes 10 times the player Bryant is and everyone knows it.

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not comparing them.

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by Kdog92 on Mar 6, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you used it as part of your argument. Just trying to help you out there.

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He was just asking why I was high on Marshall...

I don’t think he was comparing the 2. Its cool. Just getting perspectives :)

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Mar 6, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well thats easy. Marshall is really good an Bryant is ok if you have NO ONE!

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I've seen some of the big plays

But every receiver makes “some” big plays. Gadsden used to make them left and right, but I’d never consider him a true #1 type of Wide Receiver.

Bryant is 8 years into his career, and only twice has he gone over 1,000 yards. 500-600 yard seasons is more common then any of his big years. Granted he had a huge year 2 years ago, but he’s not that player anymore. When a receiver needy team like Tampa Bay releases you due to poor route running, and other issues, that says something huge. They didn’t even tender him or try to keep him. They knew he had no real value.

As far as Marshall. I am/was very high on Marshall because he’s young @ 25 years old. 3 straight seasons of over 1,000 yards… and thats after changing head coaches, offensive schemes, and quarterbacks. Thats also being the only receiver on his team, which means he faced double coverage ALL the time. His YAC were in the top 13 of all receivers over 50 catches, and his YAC was #3 for receivers over 100 receptions. Despite the changes in everything offensive, he still managed to continue to pound out huge seasons. That is why I am/was high on Brandon Marshall. He’s considered to be a top 5-7 WR in the league, with potential to being a top 3 type of guy. Can you say the same about Bryant? Noone I have ever heard have used those type of comparisons when mentioning him. Its always, “hasn’t lived up to hype, under performed” etc.

I guess we have a difference of opinion. I was just curious as to why you were high on him, when most of the NFL has written him off.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Mar 6, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh! I think one of the QB's will get traded today.

Thigpen or Pennington. I know we just signed him, but he is great trade bait.

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by Kdog92 on Mar 6, 2010 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

If anything Pennington would get traded in-season

Or if someone got hurt during camp.

The ink is still wet kdog, show a brother some love for a few days at least.

by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 9:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm a big Pennington fan.

and i"ll agree with what you said.

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by Kdog92 on Mar 6, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Give the guy a chance ...

WRs can sometimes take 3 years to develop…. It has only been one season…

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 6, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course he is a Quarterback.....

and signed in the 2nd round, which makes him a high value pick that under produced his draft position, and didn’t produce at all in his position.

Why move him to WR? We have plenty of other guys like him at WR, and he’s just too small, he’d get crushed.

The only reasonable place to put him is returning kicks….and even then, he’s still ridiculously small and you have to have to be super courageous to return kicks in any fashion in the NFL, not be the cowardly lion pup.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Mar 6, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

Pat Turner, not Pat White..

You know, we should never again draft somebody named Patrick. Ever.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 6, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

oh Crap.... I swear this thread was about

trading a QB :)

lol….

Nevermind…. I need a beer.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Mar 6, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Just think if you drink enough of that beer then this thread can be about anything you would like.

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

boobies?

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Mar 6, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure. I would suggest that you save that for the CKC but hey

if you get drunk enough and think your starting in your own show then I guess run with it.

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If you guys are searching for players we'll sign

then I’d look to the names the resemble Joe Berger, you know, the ones you don’t really recognize.

We could always spend the day by picking a player that is still a free agent and bombarding him in a campaign to sign here through twitter or email.

by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Chester Pitts

That’s who I’m “waiting” for next.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 6, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

The FO

still has time to get Marshal before he gets to Seattle.

STOP THAT FLIGHT!!

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by Neo on Mar 6, 2010 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

listen to this

http://extras.denverpost.com/audio/Marshall022610.mp3

It’s Marshall’s testimony in the murder trial of Darrent Williams. This guy has head issues that seem to have already tormented him.

by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand

but the dude can still play, see last year.

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by Neo on Mar 6, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I can give you too many examples of players with his talent that fit the same profile...

that at some point soon after being paid or even before being paid just vanished. Whether they’re focusing too much outside of football or things just aren’t right up stairs.

As a team you can only spend so much guaranteed money. We aren’t even talking about a cap any more, we’re talking about a budget.

If money grew on a tree Rolle would be here right now but as shown by his signing with the Giants, the Dolphins do still have a budget and that budget in guaranteed money must be under 20 million at this point. Rolle got 15 mil in guaranteed cash so the remaining budget must be close to their assuming we offered around 10-12 and still had some left over for a few low level moves.

If anything tell yourself the budget only called for Dansby and Marshall and we went with the more stable individual.

by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

It could be the head issues due to Darrent Williams

is why he wants out of Denver so bad.

New location erases all that constant reminder of that night.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Mar 6, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll give you that

but running from your problems never helps…was that too cheesy?

by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Its a great like if your serving it up to your 16 year old son!

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Yeah that kid has plenty of issues. I hope for his sake he gets his shit

together because he has all the talent to be one of the greats.

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL It happens to all of us.

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

We can’t take a chance on another Patrick Turner that’s for sure we may wait to see if anyone intresting gets released if not then we better jump on a guy like Dez,Benn quick also I think we will pick up a few more FA’s this team still has a few holes to fill and if we want impact players we need to either shed out some more dough or draft them right off the bat we still need either ilb or olb which ever Dansby don’t play a fs,nt imo is a big need for us and a te and rg

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by Foy on Mar 6, 2010 9:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think we can take another chance on a Patrick Turner

Brandon Marshall is basically Patrick Turner. Both big WRs from the 3rd round of the draft.

Like Henne, you’ll hit sooner or later, it just takes time. That’s why I like Boldin, good guy that would have bought us some time.

The Rams FS seems like the best case scenario at FS and would shut us all up for a week.

The best we can do at TE right now is work on a team friendly contract for Fasano.

Not sure about OL, I wish some of you would throw some ideas up here about free agent offensive lineman.

by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

If Marshall goes to Seattle, no way we get Dez

Denver will have the #6 and #10-11 picks..and one of them they would surely pick up Bryant.

And I don’t even want Bryant. I don’t trust him.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Mar 6, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

I’d take Benn, Thomas, Briscoe before I took Bryant.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 6, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

We did't draft Turner in the first round last year ....

We drafted him in the 3rd. Give him a break guys … he is obviously taking a little bit of time to develop. If after 3 years he does not produce, then you can lump him with the 9th overall pick Tedd Ginn.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 6, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

FS

the Tuna seems to be in no hurry to get any WR, on the other hand, he just released our starting FS, leaving us with a hole at that position

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by finzrule on Mar 6, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

unless they think highly of Clemons and Culver

Maybe they think they can move Bell over too and play the younger guys at SS, just think out loud.

The fact that they released Wilson after the Combine can’t be ignored either.

by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

we are in no worse shape now

than we did when we had Wilson. That hole was there while Wilson was here.

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by Neo on Mar 6, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Atogwe, Berry, Thomas and Sharper as the WC.

If it’s not one of those four, I’ll be scratching my head a bit.

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by sister_ray on Mar 6, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Same here

And I’d personally be perfectly OK with Thomas, whether being mentored by an Atogwe/Sharper or not.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 6, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Atogwe or Clark would be nice pick-ups.

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 6, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

I hope we will resign JT!!

by SEN on Mar 6, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

x2

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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously we need to resign JT...

     Then we need to work on a FS, Atogwe first, if not Sharper(evenone else has tender offers that make us give up draft picks we desperately need). We already have a young talented FS that can learn from Sharper or Atogwe in Chris Clemens, so we do not need to draft one. He was better than Gibril Wilson last season, and I think he will eventually be our answer at FS long term.
     We need to see if we can get in the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes as long as we can get him for less than a 1st round pick. If not I guess we might be able to make Antonio Bryant work long enough to let Patrick Turner take over as our number 1 receiver.
    Patrick Turner was not drafted in the first round last year,he was drafted in the 3rd round which means he is a developmental player. Give him another year or 2, then you can lump him along with Tedd Ginn, Jr as a draft bust. Brandon Marshall only had 20 catches for 309 yds receiving his rookie year and we really didn’t ever let Turner even dress last year, mostly because he was too big to contribute on special teams like Hartline.
     We let Ronnie Brown get tendered if some team takes the bait and with our #12 pick we draft CJ Spiller, then a NT with the pick that we get for Brown. We let Fasano get tendered if some team bites and we pick up an OLB to play behind JT for one year with that pick or a backup G to add some depth to our offensive line. Finally we pick up Jimmy Graham as late as we can while still making sure that someone else doesn’t get him.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 6, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Also ...

We need to sign Zach Thomas to a one day contract so that he can retire as a Dolphin…. he deserves it.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 6, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh... and with that plan...

We still have our own 2nd round pick and beyond(minus the pick we use for Jimmy Graham) to go after any WR or OLB that falls to us at those picks.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 6, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon LaFell?

I hear alot about Benn, Briscoe, Dez and Gilyard however I don’t hear anyone talking about Brandon LaFell… isn’t he 6’4? also didn’t he play in the SEC against some great defenses…. I dunno I guess i’m not sure why people dont’ talk more about him. Personally i’d take Antonio Bryant and draft defense with Mt Cody, Spikes and Myron Rolle.

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by Seminolephinatic on Mar 6, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

INFO ON PENNY'S CONTRACT

Steve Wyche, of NFL.com, reports Miami Dolphins QB Chad Pennington’s new contract will pay him $2.5 million if he is the backup quarterback, $4.2 million if he is traded and $5.75 million if he is the team’s starter, according to a source.

I’d rather have Penny as backup rather than Thigpen. Thigpen is young and he has several years left on him. He’s more valuable. At least a 4th, no less than 5th. Anybody?

by Valentine14 on Mar 6, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

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