Where does Antrel Rolle's signing with Giants leave the Dolphins?
by Matty I on Mar 6, 2010 6:00 AM EST
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In one day the Arizona Cardinals lost three key players from their Super Bowl team of two years ago. Anquan Boldin was traded to Baltimore. Antrel Rolle signed with the Giants. And, of course, Karlos Dansby came to terms with our Dolphins. We have already spoken at length about the acquisition of Dansby - and we'll most likely continue to discuss it for days and weeks. So let's take a moment and quickly talk about "the one that got away."
Antrel Rolle is now a Giant - in more ways than one. The Giants signed Rolle to the richest contract ever handed out to a safety in NFL history - more than Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Adrian Wilson, Bob Sanders, and Nick Collins to name a few. It will pay him a whopping $37 million over five years, with $15 million in guarantees and $22.5 million total in the first three years.
That was way to rich for Miami's blood - especially after signing Dansby to an NFL record deal for non-pass rushing linebackers. Truth be told, I was never sold on the idea of Rolle being worth the kind of money it would take to bring him in. Of course, I wonder what might have happened if the Dolphins were unable to sign Karlos. Would they have made a bigger push to bring in Rolle? Hmmm - you know what? Let's not even think about that scenario. Dansby is a Dolphin - no worries.
But with the release of Gibril Wilson on Friday, the Dolphins have a glaring hole at their free safety position. Well actually - it's not any more glaring than it was when Wilson was still on the roster. But let's not get into that. He's gone - we shall rejoice.
So where do the Dolphins turn now to address their need at free safety? Well there are some options.
Ryan Clark is out there on the market. The 30 year old free safety from Pittsburgh will come for less money than Rolle signed for and will be a good value for the team that signs him. But he's more known for his hitting and tackling ability than his coverage ability. And having played next to Troy Polamalu for a number years, there's a chance he looked better than he really is thanks to having a teammate back there in the secondary like Troy. Clark only has three interceptions total in his last two years and I don't know how well he fits in playing next to Yeremiah Bell. Clark scares me because he might be too much like the guy we just dumped.
Darren Sharper is also available. But I don't think he fits this system at his age. Might not be fast enough to do what this defense needs out of their free safety. With that said, I wouldn't be opposed to a one year deal if this regime is sold on his ability to fit in.
One interesting idea might be to sign O.J. Atogwe to an offer sheet. The Rams only tendered Atogwe at the lowest possible level. It gives St. Louis the "right of first refusal" but wouldn't entitle them to any draft picks if they let him leave for another team. In other words, the Rams would be able to match any offer sheet Atogwe might sign. If they don't, they get nothing.
Atogwe will be just 29 this offseason and remains among the best coverage safeties in the league. But what kind of price tag might he be looking for? He's coming off of a year in which he was franchised and paid over $6 million as a result. So Atogwe might not come cheap. But he's worth at least a look.
There are also some guys in the draft - with Eric Berry and Earl Thomas being the cream of the 2010 crop. As you all probably know, I love Berry. He's the best draft prospect since Ed Reed. But it's just not realistic to even hope for him to fall in April's draft all the way to the 12th pick. Thomas, though, should be there and is an excellent prospect himself. He can cover and he's a major ball-hawking play-maker back at the free safety spot. I'm not opposed at all to the Dolphins using their first rounder on Thomas.
Two possible replacements for Gibril already on the roster include Tyrone Culver and speedster Chris Clemons, who is coming off of his rookie season. Culver has flashed in the past in his reserve role. But I think he's the kind of player where he plays best when given less responsibility. I don't think he's starting material. As for Clemons, the jury is still out. He has the raw physical ability. But there's more to being a good starting safety than just physical talent. Does Clemons have the mental make-up to handle the position?
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I say we get Clark
just to make the steeler fans up here jealous lol
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by Kdog92 on Mar 6, 2010 6:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
very true
the last thing i wanna see is another bomb that puts miami -6 to start the game
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 6, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
that move the sticks guy
said he doesnt think its that big a deal..he would rather have 4.7 and instincts….rather than 4.4 and stiff as a pole.
Rolle isnt the answer….hes a great 4th rd pick…but he isnt a starter. he will be a fantastic special teams player…and a great backup maybe..but itll take a few yrs for him to learn the game….but we all know he learns well.
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Lets get Sharper
1 season and let him tutor clemond for the future
I like that idea a lot...
we can probably get him relatively cheap too…
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 6, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
I dont know what Matty is talking about with Sharper not being fast enough...
for what the Dolphins need. The guy had 9 ints and 3 returned for TDs this season. How much faster does he need to be? He was the MVP of the Saints defense IMO and would be the perfect stop gap guy to bring in for a season or two to mentor culver and clemons. That way wouldnt have to use a pick on safety and could truly see what clemons and culver are worth. If they cant learn from Sharper, then you are just not cut out to be a starter.
by picklescapone on Mar 6, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Just an idea
Could Gibril return on the cheap? After the nice things Ireland had to say about him last week I wonder if they’re done with him.
by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 7:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i was thinking the same thing
alot of teams have done this so far, so why not try it on Gibril?
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now that I think about it
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dolphins released Wilson to throw a wrench in Rolle’s plans with the Giants. Maybe the Dolphins assumed Wilson would make his way back to the Giants on the cheap which would have taken them out of the running for Rolle.
Ayodele might have been released for that reason as well for teams sniffing around Dansby.
Not to suggest either of those players compare to Dansby or Rolle but from a strategy and competition standpoint those players would have filled holes on teams that were angling for Dansby and Rolle.
I’m going to guess WIlson comes back on the cheap to compete in camp.
by special agent wildcat on Mar 6, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
i know ive had enough of the G-bril for one lifetime
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dont want wilson
phins still have will allen, who declared he’s gonna start….allen and davis at corner…move smith back to safety where he played at utah, and did so well enough to beat alabama…problem solved…maybe by the time allens’ contract is up clemons will be ready to step in and smith can go back to corner…they dont need to sign a free agent there…smith’s height and speed would help him get more interceptions too…i think that’s the teams thinking.
Smith has great hands and good instinct on going for the ball....
He just didn’t seem to have the hips or physicality for Corner, so maybe moving to Safety would turn him into a ball-hawking Ed Reed type. That would be pretty sweet.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Mar 6, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
and just because will allen said he was going to start doesnt mean hes going to start
freakin quentin moses could says hes starting inside linebacker this year it dont mean squat
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hell im gonna start…just saying we need ng and another lb worse than a safety…smith looks to be more physical than clemons at safety…physical enuf to be an all american at utah
he played all over the place at utah
starting as wr, and bounced over to the D—spending most of his time at corner. Not many tackles. Davis would make a better safety, or at least his build and skill set are more appropriate for safety than Smith’s. But I don’t think either one of them should be or will be moved. This regime—like many—thinks that corner is one of the most valuable positions on the field, and having that locked down is invaluable.
You don’t strengthen the the safety position by weakening the corner position.
by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 6, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Earl Thomas
With the 12th selection in the 2010 nfl draft, the miami dolphins select….
EARL FREAKING THOMAS!!!
agreed
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i just looked at the figures to nate Jones contract and i was stunned
4 yr. 13.6 mil. unbelievable. They give Goodie a 5 yr. 25 deal, Renaldo a 4 yr. 10 and now this. This is an ungodly amount for Nate Jones
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well total over 4 yr. but still
3.5 million a tear. Craziness, good for him though.
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the lions
want out of there 2nd overall pick. miami could swap firsts and and through in another pick maybe next years 3rd round pick. then miami could take berry at number 2. one thing to keep in mind about atogwe, rolle just got the highest contract in nfl history for safeties. atogwe he might be looking to get paid as well.
starting the lagarret blount "you got knocked the F**k out" bandwagon
correction
*……swap firsts and throw in another pick…..
starting the lagarret blount "you got knocked the F**k out" bandwagon
by frostyphinfan on Mar 6, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
lions pick....are you serious??
If we trade up for the second pick I guarentee you its not to pick Eric Berry. Not that he isn’t a good player but nobody in their right minds wants to pay Berry top two money. Not for a safety. If we move up that high it would be to take Suh or McCoy.
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I'd pay Berry top two money
When we look back in 5 years on this draft, Berry will be the best defensive player to come out of the 2010 class.
it would be hard to argue this
but overall, i think there is a very wide talent gap in the class between the top 2, maybe 3 guys, and the rest.
But Berry has ProBowl talent.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 6, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
you mean...
you wouldnt pay a Ed reed, Troy palamalu type player top dollar to roam miami’s secondary? come on man….. he’s a game changer
starting the lagarret blount "you got knocked the F**k out" bandwagon
by frostyphinfan on Mar 6, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
but that's just it
neither Reed nor Palamalu were drafted that high, because safety isn’t a position that you address that high, You just don’t, because history has proven that you can wait until 16th (troy) or even the 24th pick (reed) and get guys all other safeties will be compared to. Just because a guy is a game changer doesn’t mean you draft him 2nd overall, because game changers at certain positions—like safety- can be found later.
by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 6, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
and there is no guarentee he will be a Reed or Palamalu....
the two Pro-Bowlers you mentioned are proven talents. Berry and all his talent has yet to show it on this level and like phillyfinfan said about the financial aspect is also true. Safety is one of the lowest paid positions. Even Ed Reed and Troy Palamalu would not get the kind of money the number 2 pick in the draft would command. And that is my point.
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Lions pick
If the dolphins had traded up for the second pick, which is wishful thinking at best, I would hope they would go for DT.
Second Round
After the last 30 hours or so,,,at leat ILB is better, I’m still not convinced on a first rounder, but what about Myron Rolle for second round. He’s gonna be the smartest player in the NFL the second he steps onto the field and he played SS in college.
Dude
I wouldn’t draft him before the 6th. He’s never been a play maker, and he’s a SS. You put him back there at FS – with his 4.69 – and you’re screwed.
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Now lets go get OJ Atogwe.
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this kinda sux
i really wanted either him or boldin
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realistically, i say we either go for Atogwe or Thomas
anyone else sounds kind of shaky to me
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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 6, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Instead of Trading Down....
Instead of teading down in the 1st round, and get an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick, why wouldn’t we trade UP and go after Berry? Just a thought.
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We are not simply one player away. We have needs at NT, FS, OLB, and WR. We need all of the draft picks that we have.
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I say go after Atogwe—put pressure on Rams to match the offer—still think we need to give up first round pick and bring Marshall to Miami—then we can concetrate on NT and depth in the draft by picking the best available person on the board
if we get Atogwe with a poison pill contract
then I would give our first for Marshall, then in the 2nd you get Hughes and in the 3rd a NT, some depth picks in rounds 4-6 and your set for a nice run
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what the dolphins should have done was go after jermaine phillips and ryan clark. both good safeties and they both have excellent experience. then you draft either berry or thomas, and that defense becomes very scary!
Uhh, because he has value and we could trade either him or Thigpen
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 6, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
cause...you know
Pennington hasn’t done anything to help the team and isn’t the NFL’s career completion percentage leader…
OH CRAP!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 6, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh shit. One is enough.
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Since safety is deep in the draft...
… OLB is the higher valued pick at #12.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 6, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I vote Darren Sharper...
Nolan used an aging Brian Dawkins to revitalize a bad Denver secondary.
He could do the same with the FINS.
If not, then I’m in the market for some fresh Florida O.J. (Atogwe that is).
It would be good for our young corners to have a playmaker back there with them.
Pay the man!
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I think that was more McDaniels than Nolan with the Dawkins thing
Considering McD is from the school of Bellichik that values veterans
darren sharper wow
id be totally impressed with parcells if he brought in sharper.he already shocked me with the dansby deal.and trust me im more impressed he finally fixed his mistakes by getting rid of ayodele and wilson.kinda sad he didnt resign ferguson because even as old as he is he is still a dominant player.but he is old and he has been getting hurt alot so with that i understand. thats why porter is gone…i get it. a nt and a wr and we have became the beast of the afc east.
by miamirulez23518 on Mar 6, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions
i REALLY REALLY want to see
Chris Clemons get a shot…. ever since we drafter him in what the 7th round i loves it, speed cant fix everything but it can defenitely make up for some mistakes, i say let the kid have his shot, and draft a good cover man in the second or 3rd round
Clemons was a 2nd round pick
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 6, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
He was a mid round pick (4-6 rounds)
He was projected as a second rounder.
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Now lets go get OJ Atogwe.
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by PotM on Mar 6, 2010 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
wait nevermind lol
I dont think we drafted him in the 7th round, I think Clemons was like a 4th rounder
I was thinking of Sean Smith
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 6, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
If Atogwe is THAT good...
… ever wonder why the Rams low tendered him?
Could it be they’re not sure about his shoulder injury?
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i think they are playing a game
if they low tender him and no one is interested, they are not obligated to pay the big price tag. But if (as expected) another team comes to terms on a contract that Atogwe likes, the Rams can just match it (which I expect they will). So they let someone else do the negotiating and let the market determine the price.
They comes in if the other team wants to insert a poison pill clause that the Rams can’t actually match. However, I think they can just increase some other area of the contract a bit (e.g. signing bonus) and call it a match.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 6, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
The Ram’s are taking a risk and they obviously know something we don’t. I think your right that they want another team to set Atogwe’s price for them. I say we make a run at him for $6-$7mil on a 4yr deal and use the poison pill. I beleive the Rams have to match the exact offer of another team. Not sure though. If we can’t land Atogwe I say we draft E. Thomas or keep what we got.
something tells me that the Triad aren't "poison pill" types
but at the end of the day, each team is offering a contract and Atogwe has a choice if the offers are not identical (if the Rams match identical offers, Atogwe has to go with the Rams). So even with a poison pill, the Rams could make a better offer and keep Atogwe… ja’know?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 6, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I actually read an article the other day where they said don't expect any more
“poison pills” written in to contract. I guess all the owners sort of came to a gentleman’s agreement not to do it anymore. I would not be shocked to see it written in to the language of the next CBA.
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hey why not sean witherspoon with the 12th pick.
either him earl thomas or dez bryant if hes available at 12.
by Dolphinsrule0505 on Mar 6, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions
Because Witherspoon at 12 is a reach
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well they are saying he is the best linebacker in the class.
depending on who you talk to they think he is/will be better than macclain. earl thomas and dez arnt reaches but i would mind any of the three.
by Dolphinsrule0505 on Mar 6, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
True but if hes graded lower you can trade down still grab him and add picks.
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c.j. spiler in the first and raschard jones from georgia in the 4th problems solved. see his youtube highlights, he is raw but has plenty potential
runningback will be addressed in this draft either with spiller or in later rounds with a guy like LeGarrette Blount
He reminds me of Cecil....
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Yes.
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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 6, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Good call.
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Yeah im a Hokie iv heard plenty about him
hes a beast. linebacker size (6’4 240ish) and runs around the 4.6 range which is ok for a safety, especially of his size. not the biggest ball hawk but definitely a really intriguing pick if hes on the board in the 5th or 6th round
check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uppzu_pGDc and check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZOYy4a40JI. tell me rashad jones won’t be sick one day
First link works. Second one=Fail
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well, he IS the king... lol
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Now that we have Dansby
do we even need a FS?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 6, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions
LMFAO
I think you are overestimating his ability’s there sir.
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Just need a NT maybe Jamal Williams or Jason Ferguson. then its not a must need at #12 alot of teams need a NT in this draft.
i think i agree
i agree that NT is a HUGE priority for the Fins. i would not be unhappy to see them use the #12 pick on a real stud at the position if one was available.
With NT and Dansby, I would feel more confident going with Culver and Clemons. I have high expectations of Clemons, but he is still very raw. But that is the sort of thing that Nolan should be able to develop with good coaching.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 6, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
i love clemons give the kid a shot
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by ronnie brown for president on Mar 6, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions
Im sure he will get his chance.
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i want them to bring in sharper
yes to be a ballhawk for a few years but then to be a chad pennington and mentor a super young secondary
I would be ok with that for a one or two year contract.
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I was so happy last night when I saw we had signed Dansby… The FO deserves major PROPS for getting this deal complete. DANSBY makes our DEF a LOT better… I think he will prove to be the best signing we have made in years.
NO…NO…NO to resigning the GERBIL….. just F. NO.
Clemons desreves a shot to win the job, but maybe add another safety later in the draft. We still need a #1 WR, at least TWO more LB’s maybe 1 OLB & 1 ILB and OF COURSE a NT ….. wouldnt be against SPILLER either, but we have too many needs on DEF…
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dude, i feel the same way!
i can’t tell you how much I think everything that happened yesterday improved our D. i mean, I think we are instantly 5-10 ranks higher (based on last year’s league rankings) just from the cuts yesterday, the addition of Dansby, and Nolan coaching.
Even without designating a replacement for Gerbil.
i would not be surprised to see them re-sign JT now. JT in limited duty, with Moses and Wake, is a very good place to start looking for a pass rush, now that he also have an inside guy that can blitz and a coach who will call it.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 6, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
even if he benefits the team for low pay, having a guy who cost us huge last year like the G-bril is not good. I also dont see the trifecta doing it. Its a similar sitution to Ernest’s last year. Uhhhh……. Ernest Wilford “the crook”.
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
i seem to be the only Dolphins fan out there who....
thinks we need better corner play, ilove Vontae and Sean, but with nate Jones gone, Will Allen the same old Will Allen (as in extremly overrated) and Jason Allen still a bum. I want experience at the position, a competent vet, maybe a great one, yes i have someone in mind, and yes it is Leigh Bodden, one of the most underappreciated players in the game.
I think i might have brought this up before, but someone shot it down. Anyways.
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
Of course we need better corner play but not expecting that
when you have two rookies starting would be plain silly.
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 6, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Marshall is in Seattle....
but will not sign offer sheet today; Adam Schefter reports
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter
James T Paulson
Now about the Marshall issue...
The Trifecta is damned if they do and damned if they don’t
Half of Dolphin Nation would be pissed at the Trifecta if they don’t make a play for Marshall. They will say that because we didn’t, that we will always be a 2nd-tier franchise, who is never going to make a big splash and take a risk in Free Agency, and therefore will never make that next step to be true SB contenders.
The other half of Dolphin Nation would be pissed at the Trifecta if they do make a play for Marshall. They will claim that while Marshall is a great talent, all the baggage he brings to the team could really disrupt a team that has great unity and therefore mess up the chemistry. They could also say that Marshall in Miami could easily be a disaster due to the outside distractions the city provides for a player with Marshalls’ history.
So either way, whether we get Marshall or not, the trifecta will get heat from someone in Dolphin Nation. Key point is they know more than any of us, what is best for this team and I will be behind them 100% no matter what choice they make.
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 6, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be mad if they signed BM
because I would have to assume our FO was THOROUGHLY convinced that he has/will change his ways
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 6, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
As scared as I am of his past I would have to agree with that. If this FO was to jump on
him it would be after doing all their homework in advance.
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i wouldn't be mad if they did....
but i am still of the opinion that we should spend this offseason filling the other holes on D, and work with the WRs we have. The exception would have been Boldin; and now I could see them maybe looking at Mason, but I just think we can get by without Marshall.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 6, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you there
would much rather them pick up another guy other than Marshall and work with the guys we have, who last I looked aren’t all that bad
The offense was not the issue last season, our defense was. If we can focus on our defense and improve there; especially in the 4th quarter; than I think that alone will make us a better team.
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 6, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
WAKE!! UP!!
I think WAKE will take it to the next level and be that pass rusher we’ve been waiting for now that he is going to play a lot more after two lb’s were cut and added DANSBY as a veteran leader!
We'll draft a FS
somewhere Nate Allen maybe
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
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hey guy's
i really like nate allen, if we can’t get berry, mays or e thomas.
if we end up having to develop or draft late round safeties, what about drafting parrish cox and myron rolle, just to see who looks better at safety, and if either can beat out clemons.. cox can play the nickel or dime to..
what about Major Wright?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 6, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Major Payne?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 6, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Major Dundee?
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Is Dansby really worth it? Why is Boldin not on the Phins?
Don’t get me wrong I think Dansby will be an upgrade at the position, but c’mon the guy should’ve never been paid what he was paid. You could name several linebackers that play better than him and are Pro Bowlers each year, yet are paid lower. I guess there wasn’t much option.
As for Boldin, the guy may have his shortcomings with injuries, but he’s just a solid player so why not take him, especially when the Ravens got him for a 3rd and 4th. I guess it’s all about the receiver loaded draft.
as far as 3-4 ILB's
he is top 5 easy
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 6, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
defense
i know some of u want to see sean smith to move to FS, but parcells brought him n to take on the bigger WR in the division. and i agree. so i think maybe put will allen back at CB, move davis to SS move bell to FS. i think the pro bowler can make the transition and learn clemons how to play the position. i think that davis has a great nose for run and still drop back n coverage.i think davis can posess the same polamalu type instincts at the SS position. at most bring n a young CB either through the draft or free agency to back up and learn from allen. wat u think.
dansby better than boldin
i would rather spend a 1st or a 2nd rd pick on a stud reciever than 2 picks on a 31 yr old. i like boldin, im a seminole fan myself, but i wouldnt give up 2 picks for him. some r bitchn bc they feel we paid to much. maybe a bit but we got who we want. im not signing the checks anyway . by signing dansby frees up the possibility to pick bryant if he falls to no. 12. witch is unlikely. especially if seattle takes marshall.
Both V. Davis & S. Smith are Starting CB's and Will Allen will be the nickel back
There is no reason to move these players into different positions. Yeremiah is a SS period. He is an in-the-box safety, not a FS. If we decide to draft a FS, then it will be either Thomas in the first round or Taylor Mays in the 2nd Rd. Both players would thrive under Nolan’s tutelage. During the Sr. Bowl in Mobile, Mays had an interception and when the sideline reporter asked him about it, he said that Coach Nolan told him to play deeper. Everybody thinks that because Mays only had 5 interceptions that he can’t cover. That is nonsense. At USC, he was not asked to play the traditional FS role that he would be asked to do in the NFL. Look at his 40 time at the combine. This guy ran 4.5 at 230 lbs.
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