Should the Dolphins consider Antrel Rolle?
by Matty I on Mar 4, 2010 12:15 AM EST
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PrintPerhaps lost in all of the Scouting Combine craziness is that free agency in the NFL begins on Friday at midnight. While it's going to be interesting to see league-wide how teams tread the uncharted waters of an "uncapped" season, us fans are still going to sit around all weekend and hope that the Dolphins make some kind of big splash.
The number one target for many Dolphin fans is Cardinals' linebacker Karlos Dansby. But fans have also been paying some attention to Dansby's teammate in Arizona, safety Antrel Rolle - formerly of The U. Rolle is expected to be released by the Cardinals by Thursday night (which is when his $4 million roster bonus is due). The Pro Bowl free safety will then become an unrestricted free agent and is hoping to receive a deal worth $8 million per year according to this report.
Meanwhile, Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland recently made a public show of support for current Dolphins free safety Gibril Wilson - who was signed to a big free agent contract last offseason and then proceeded to struggle for most of the season in Miami. So would this front office be willing to not only admit they made a big mistake by giving Wilson that kind of cash and then try to upgrade the position by spending millions more on another free safety?
Is Rolle even worth the money that he might get in free agency?
That's the question for the Dolphins - if they even have any interest in the Pro Bowl safety.
I'll be honest - I didn't watch too many Arizona Cardinals games over the past couple of years. But checking out an impartial football stats site - ProFootballFocus - reveals something interesting. Yes, Rolle made more big plays in 2009 (4 interceptions, 2 sacks) than Wilson. But PFF also ranks Rolle as the 50th best safety in the league among those who played at least 50% of the team's defensive snaps. Wilson? He came in a solid 15th.
But how? It's got to be because Gibril, if nothing else, is decent against the run (when he feels like tackling, that is). Right? Wrong. In their coverage rankings, Wilson places 22nd while Rolle is again down in 50th position.
Stats lie, though, don't they? They could - especially when the stats are being compiled from a source that is far from well-known or respectable. So let's go to the source and welcome in Andrew from Revenge of the Birds - SBN's Cardinals' blog. Here is his take on Antrel Rolle:
Strengths:
- Rolle can play multiple positions. When the Cardinals drafted him, he was a cornerback. Although he struggled at the position, he could fill in if there was a need. He also played the nickel cornerback and exceeded. When he made the transition to safety, there was an adjustment but eventually Rolle found his groove and became a very dependable safety. He can also return punts.
- He's a playmaker with the ball. Somehow, Rolle has a nose for the endzone. He's always a threat to return an interception or blocked kick for a touchdown. Rolle would bring exciting plays in the secondary to whichever team signs him.
- Solid tackler. He led the Cardinals several times throughout the season in tackles in a game and has very good form when wrapping up. He's not afraid of contact.
Weaknesses:
- Struggles in coverage. I'd be lying if I said Rolle was good cover safety. He has his moments where he completely whiffs on a play and gets caught out of coverage. He doesn't have top end speed to cover quick wide receivers, which is the primary reason he struggled at corner.
- Leadership skills are questionable. He's rarely been seen as a leader on the defense. It's relative though, some players just aren't leaders.
Overview:
In the end, if the Dolphins were to sign Rolle, they'd be getting an experienced safety that's developing into one of the top in the league. I also believe he hasn't reached his full potential at safety yet. While he does struggle in coverage, it isn't a regular occurrence. He shouldn't be paid like Ed Reed, but he would shore up a need in the secondary of the Dolphins had one.
So does this change your mind at all? Or do you still hope the Dolphins get involved in the bidding on Rolle?
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For that much money
No.
For the amount of money Gibril is getting? Well, I’m no capologist, but I think that would be a wise move.
Stats do sometimes lie. And, even if PFF thinks Wilson is twice as good a cover safety as Rolle, at least Rolle can tackle and would actually catch picks that come his way.
Really all depends on his price.. would not pay any (much) higher than Gibril’s contract. And, even that’s stretching it.
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What I think we are all missing is that as much as we complain about the tackles that Gibril missed, he was 2nd on the team in tackles. We remember every time he missed though because when he did miss it was a big play. But was he a poor tackler overall? I would argue that he was a solid tackler most of the time.
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 4, 2010 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
He was 2nd on the team becaues our poor linebackers
let the players get that far and he had too high a percentage opportunity to not have so many tackles.
If he can learn to wrap up better, I have no problem with him this year as I’ve posted in earlier posts.
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No Egg Rolle... if we are gonna replace Gerbil, let's try to upgrade.
But checking out an impartial football stats site – ProFootballFocus – reveals something interesting. Yes, Rolle made more big plays in 2009 (4 interceptions, 2 sacks) than Wilson. But PFF also ranks Rolle as the 50th best safety in the league among those who played at least 50% of the team’s defensive snaps. Wilson? He came in a solid 15th.
But how? It’s got to be because Gibril, if nothing else, is decent against the run (when he feels like tackling, that is). Right? Wrong. In their coverage rankings, Wilson places 22nd while Rolle is again down in 50th position.
I read this today…. I said no to Rolle in another post here, but i had no idea he ranked that poorly. I was really just saying that i noticed he seemed to get beat as much as Gerbil. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 4, 2010 12:24 AM EST reply actions
I agree...
We could use our 1st rounder on a guy like Earl Thomas and that would be a better upgrade than Rolle.
im iffy about it.
i definitely regardless of the stats thinks antrel rolle will be an upgrade from wilson. especially with mike nolan. but we will have to see i guess. i think trifecta we trust.
but i will not be disappointed if we dont sign him nor with i be disappointed if we do sign him. all i know is the FO has whats in the best interests of the dolphins. they arent going to keep gibril if he is going to just hurt us
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No more musical chairs haha
I don’t know how much of an upgrade this really would be seeing that we already have a FS who isn’t great in coverage
Also just thinking allowed but would it be wise to have another FS starter for the third season in a row? I think Gibril will benefit from having Nolan and having the CB’s having a full season under there belt.
If we are going to make a change I am thinking that it maybe better to draft a FS and hang tough with Gibril until then. Just my opinion though lol
I am almost excited to see what Gibril can do this year under Nolan...
I can’t say enough about how bad our defense was this year… As bad as we were, if Gibril wasn’t flying up and supporting the run as much as he did we would have been worse on defense than we actually were. So I got sucked into downing Gibril because he missed a tackle occasionally, or got fooled on a double move and beat deep. I was mad at him when he yelled at Sean Smith on the play that he should have had the over-the-top coverage….
However, there was one half of play last year that the whole defense showed what they were capable of doing…. I thought the defense had finally woke up. For some strange reason during the Saints game, Paul Pasqualoni, decided to be aggressive on defense. We tried safety blitzes and they worked, we actually disguised blitzes, we at one point even had Brees call time-out because we got in his head, nad he wasn’t sure what was happening with our defense.
I did not see a problem in the first half with anyone including Gibril getting beat deep. In the first half of that game we were doing what we should be trying to do every single game, not letting the QB sit there long enough for anyone to get deep. We were playing like hunters, not waiting back to see if the highest paid guy on the other team can figure out a weakness or see where we are mismatched.
Then for no apparent reason when they felt that we had a comfortable lead, we went back to the same defense that we had proven was a complete failure all season. Everyone got beat deep, missed tackles, etc. I really didnt think anyone on our defense would have been that highly rated last year, especially Gibril. But given the fact that we were asking him to cover people forever last year, I am excited to see if our defense can perform like they did last year during that game where we were destroying the team that went on to become Super Bowl Champions…
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 4, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
With that said...
I think we are going to see this year that our 2 young corners are way further along than we thought they were. I think this year they will be lock down corners in that they will have to cover their receivers for a much shorter period of time. With our 2 lock-down corners in place we are set to let Nolan run wild with the blitz packages. Our rookie corners faced all the big name receivers last year, and won for the most part, even though they were asked to cover indefinately. I think our OLBs and DEs will show what they can really do this year under a new system and we will not believe the amount of sacks that we come up with this year from both Wake and JT, and hopefully Dansby, Y. Bell, and even Gibril.
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 4, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
NO! NO! PLEASE!!
NO MORE GERBIL!!!!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 4, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't get it.
Gibril Couldn’t do ANYTHING. His coverage sucked, he missed tackles for big plays, and he dropped interceptions that my 2 year old could catch. He was awful all the way around. I get that Jeff Ireland basically told everboby “screw you guys! We’re in charge and we’ll do what we want.” But they signed this joker and its on them so they won’t release him so fast unlike Peezy. They don’t have to sign Rolle but they should get a good veteran that has some brains.
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Lets focus on Dansby, and hopefully Boldin with a 3rd rnd pick. Trade out of the 12th pick and get a DT later in rnd 1. Safety is not a major concern. Plus we are already over paying for Wilson why over pay for Boldin
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THE RAMS ARE CONSIDERING TENDERED RFA FS O.J. OTOGWE AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE TENDER. THAT FOLKS IS THE DEAL. THIS TENDER IS FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL WITH NO PICK COMP.
If this happens we really need to pull the trigger
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by PotM on Mar 4, 2010 6:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
words i love...
GOOD TACKLER, i’ll take him if we can get a decent deal. But Dansby is way more important
lets get dansby
Rolle i would like but hes going to want to much money, if were going to get a safety trade down and pick up earl thomas
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by jojo phin fan on Mar 4, 2010 2:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wilson will be better this season
I wouldn’t go after Rolle. Wilson will be better this season. Nolan will put in a better defensive scheme and if Miami improves at NT and ILB Wilson will be able to focus on coverage more instead of worrying about run support which is not really the job of the FS. Not to say he doesn’t have a responsability in run support but he shouldn’t have to be in the box but back in case of playaction passes the passing game should be his first responsibility. Also The CBs will have a little more experience and another training camp under their belts and Allen will be back. Wilson was a victim of a bad scheme and trying to do too much and in doing so not doing enough. I would give him another season and get Clemons some playing time so if Wilson can’t cut it he can step in and take the job or maybe move allen over to FS coming off the knee injury and being in his thirties he has probably lost a step and might find FS a more fitting position for his skill set.
Many won't agree with me...
But I think Gibril Wilson should be given one more year.
I know he was just horrible in coverage, missed a few key tackles and dropped some easy interception but he would be cheaper than Rolle, don’t forget he was playing out of position in a new system with two rookies corners.
I think with new defensive coordinator Mike Nolan, better linebackers and return of Jason Ferguson/draft a young NT, our defense will be much better including Wilson…If he struggles then I think it’d be Clemmons’ time to step in and see if he’s the future and go from there.
Two rookie corners who werent playing badly at all. And there is no such thing as being out of your position causing you to be unable to tackle ANYONE in space.
I feel what your saying man… but the Gerbil is either washed up or just didn’t care last year. Either way, we gotta try something else.
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by Sid Bream's Moustache on Mar 4, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
wilson
missed a few key tackles?? he couldnt tackle ron dayne on one leg…..front office just covering up the fact they screwed up signing this bum…..bring in dansby if your gonna spend money…and if they want to spend more after that..bring in a wr or te…put allen and davis at cb, move smith to safety along with bell..smiths size and speed will translate into some picks..wilson is a bum..trade or cut him
Wilson missed tackles but..
ended up 2nd on the team in that category behing Yeremiah Bell, what does that tell you? We need bettter linebackers.
Rolle
I don’t think Rolle is looking for $8mil a year from Miami. I think he is looking to play closer to home. He knows the G. Wilson isn’t cutting it. Look for a hometown discount. If not Rolle On. We sign Dansby and Boldin I’ll be happy. Anyone else is just gravy. Look at the Cap moves that are about to take place. We are freeing up a lot of Cap room this year. An I know there is no cap. This is going to be an interesting year. By the way when has the FO not said good things about it’s players.
Rolle
i dont think Rolle is the answer. to be considerer in his evaluation has also that the Cards dont exactly have the best pass rush but still I would love us to get a player like the Colts BETHEA!!!
Bring Rolle HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he comes from a strong pedigree of DB’s SeanTaylor, Ed Reed, The list goes on and on.
Hometown discount!
in regards to the stats if someone told any of us Wilson was the in top 15th FS last year we would have him banned from this site.
and 22nd in coverage?? i would take Rolle at 50 in coverage in a heartbeat.
Please Bill Parcells one or more of the following Rolle, Boldin, Dansby
Boldin 3rd Round + Dansby
Now that the Cards only want a 3rd round for Boldin I see the Fins making a deal for Dansby & Boldin…that would be excellent…..I say no to Rolle.
Only so much money to go around
I say stick with Wilson and use some later round draft picks to find a diamond in the rough.
The true need is Dansby. WIth a LB that can cover TE’s and corners with a little more experience I think he will be solid. Maybe not great but good.
Ok, FinFanFromCA mentioned this earlier,
but I found an article with the info on it. The Rams are considering offering the lowest possible RFA tender to OJ Atogwe, here is the part of the article on Atogwe.
But there’s a loophole in the tender structure. If the Rams tendered him at the lowest level — the right of first refusal level — the Rams could tender Atogwe at only $1,226,000, a savings of $5.75 million. League sources told the Post-Dispatch on Wednesday night that the Rams are considering tendering Atogwe at the $1,226,000 level.
The right of first refusal level is risky. It would give the Rams matching rights if Atogwe got an outside offer, but no draft pick compensation if they decided not to match. And Atogwe also could simply decide not to sign the tender, which would make him a free agent after June 1.
Personally, I think Atogwe is a much better FS than Rolle is. Looking at his stats he has more interceptions and many more forced fumbles than Rolle has. If the Rams are dumb enough to tender him at this amount, I think we should definitely go for him.
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The Rams just assigned the lowest tender to him. I think the big story this offseason is the RFA tenders. Man some of these players are going to be pissed. I would be calling Atogwe’s agent tomorrow and tell him if he can wait and not sign his offer sheet we will sign him to X amount of Dollars. We can see how the A. Rolle Situation unfolds and see where Berry and Thomas fall in the Draft.
Well, it is official.
Rams tender Atogwe at lowest level.
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How about Clark from Pittsburgh?
Rolle seems to be another version of Wilson.
I like clark from Pitt how about him. He is cheaper and plays FS!!!!
enough wilson... no more chances, he will always b a scrub
Cut the string folks, this guy is a veteran and he still can’t cut it……rookie corners are forgiven but wilson was supposed to hold the fort back there…..leading in tackles cause LB pulled a houdini act……ill call my grandpa to suit up, at least he knows what a double move looks like!!!!! Give clemens the job if we can’t fill the job with a stud…..and ship wilson to the raiders…for free, tell them he runs a 4.15
by KingPhin on Mar 4, 2010 9:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
After readying this thread
I will keep GW 4 one more year. Rolle is WAY to expensive. GW can NOT play any worse(hopefully) and the D should be revamp with the new DC and the addition of a impact ILB and NT. Much work will be taken out of GW hands.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
It is obvious what we need to do
Draft Eric Berry, Dez Bryant, Rolando Mcclain, CJ Spiller and Dan Williams. Duh.
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by Sid Bream's Moustache on Mar 4, 2010 9:34 AM EST reply actions
Where you getting....
The 4 1st round picks needed to do that? LOL
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
thats kinda the point
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by Sid Bream's Moustache on Mar 4, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
No on Rolle
I have openly voiced my opinion on several other post about Gibril Wilson. I think he can still play, I think to many people are jumping on him because of what they saw, but the common fan is unable to break down the play and understand what happened. To safe time I will highlight the points.
-Wilson was playing in a new system
-Wilson was also playing out of position
-He had 2 rookie corners to worry about and was trying to help them out and play his own position
-Lack of run support had him checking the backfield more then suppose too.
I feel Wilson was thinking more then he should, a football player should react and rely on instincts, and doing this found him a step behind.
Still this does not excuse his struggles to bring down Dallas Clark, or catch balls, or cover elite TE’s, but I think he will learn and I think his cover skills will resurface as everything I mentioned above improves.
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k2 im with u.. but
dont make excuses for GW. He play that position went the Giants won the SB and he miss a lot of SOLO tackles. He didnt look like a 6 mill player, he was in the 2 mill player. We over pay him, thats for sure.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
Also we knew as fans coming in
For every 10 tackles Wilson makes he may wiff on one. That number is exaggerated, but I think as people started picking on Wilson the more and more they started to pick him apart. Every player has mistakes, but I feel Wilson was easy to be the Secondary’s scape goat, because Bell was a feel good story and no one wanted to think the Rookie corners would have their struggles.
Here is a good article on Rolle vs. Wilson in their coverage play.
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He was picked on so much, he felt like a nose....
Let’s think like the team thinks for a minute. The most pressing need right now is Outside Linebacker and then Inside Linebacker. I’ve said it before and repeat it here….. Safety is fifth or sixth in terms of need for the team right now.
We know the team’s philosophy is building through the draft as much as possible. In Dansby, if he’s signed, it will allow the team huge flexibility in the draft. And judging by what is out there in free agency, Dansby is the best prospect in the #2 needed area for the team.
Rolle, is not that huge of an upgrade over what the team has on board now. And there is better value in the draft (if Berry isn’t available) in rounds two thru five. Besides, what if one of the teams picking one thru eleven pick up Rolle, allowing Berry to fall. Rolle could actually be the lynchpin on how high Berry is drafted…
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I agree on team need!
OLB, ILB, DT, WR… I also feel that getting Dansby in FA helps the draft. I liked the idea of drafting McClain, but the truth is MLB is not something that is a high value in the first half of round 1. Grabbing Dansby almost solidfies drafting an OLB pass rusher with #12 and allows the Fins to address the DT in Round 2. I am hoping a 3rd is traded to Arizona for Boldin so Dansby, OLB, DT and Boldin address my the top concerns. The fins can still get Rolle in the 4th or 5th Myrone Rolle and I think they should add Blount if available for the Future RB needs
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I agree...
Dansby gives us an upgrade at a position of need. But like you said, the most important part of signing him is the flexability in the draft. I think that’s one of the reasons why the FO is so keen on getting him.
There is something sexy...
… about returning the UM players back home!
Wait a minute, Rolle was drafted as a CB and moved to Safety?
I thought that was a tough transition?
Anyway, doesn’t he sound an awful lot like Davis?
Rolle “struggled with coverage” at CB, just like Davis (Worst in the AFC East among CB’s).
“He’s a playmaker with the ball. Somehow, Rolle has a nose for the endzone.” Again sounds like Davis.
“Solid Tackler”. Davis again.
Rolle was drafted in the 1st round in 2005 (like Davis). Rolle was the second CB taken that year (like Davis) behind Pacman Jones.
So all that being said, I say no to signing Rolle. We already have a younger version of him on the Phins and his name is Vontae Davis.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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Vontae Davis seems to have a bright future at CB...
Why switch position in his second year?
You see a bright future at CB, I see it at FS.
I think he could become a really good FS. But at CB I see him being average at best. His career path is going to follow Rolle’s: Drafted as a CB, played the position (poorly) for a couple of years, then move to FS, and become a very good player at the position.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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but he played well so far...
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Davis was the worst CB in the AFC East last year, that is not playing well
Matty posted this in January: http://www.thephinsider.com/2010/1/11/1244099/weekend-roundup-talking#28631199
From that post there is a link to the ESPN article. Here it is:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8882/jets-cbs-dont-feel-the-burn
These aren’t my observations. I didn’t make this stuff up. Right now, Davis isn’t a very good CB. That’s why I think if he stays in the league longer than a few years (5 years let’s say), it won’t be at CB. It will be at FS.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 4, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. like how those pesky little facts should mean absolutely nothing when forming an opinion. =)
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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You do realize you are comparing a rookie whos FS sucks(according to many here)
to 3-8 year vets who have a better supporting cast don’t you?
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 4, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
For the amount of money..........
I’m going to say no Roll(e).
Some considerations: Rolle plays next to an excellent safety in the person of Adrian WIlson who is clearly better than Antrel. He also has a young & exciting DRC in the secondary at one of the corner spots. He also plays behind a better group of linebackers, at least ILB’s. Coming to the dolphins, the supporting group on defense in terms of secondary & ILB, would not be as good.
There are cheaper, younger, more versatile upgrades available via the draft and it is one place where the FA vs. draft upgrade at safety question, at least this year, points clearly to the draft being the better bargain. Sure he had his best season last year and is hitting his prime. For that kind of jingle though, I think the dolphins can better spend it elsewhere….like on his current teammate, Dansby ;-)
Are you saying he looks good in AZ because of those around him
but would suck in Miami for the same reason?
Wouldn’t that mean that Wilson doesn’t neccessarily suck if he had better players around him?
IF that is true then why do you keep saying that it’s him that sucks?
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 4, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not entirely what I'm saying but I'll address your comments...
The thing is, we know what kind of player Wilson is even with surrounded with a lot of talent on defense from his days as a NYG. He was a) not a pro bowler as Rolle has managed to do in AZ, and b) Wilson earned a reputation for missing tackles back then too.
So all things being equal, having more talented players around you is probably going to make your job easier. Given the same exact defensive lineup here next year, I’d take Rolle over Gerbil. As we know though, it is more complex than that particularly in terms of money.
So I’d say, save lots of money, get a good safety prospect in the first 3 rounds, and that’s a better value & choice for the long term than signing Rolle or sticking with Wilson.
Totally agree and with the pass happy league
we now have,barring a hybrid D where you have a 6 man front and 5 DB “like” Defenders,I think we need real playmakers/defenders at every second level position so I don’t want Rolle,McHype,Spikes or a NT who simple eats up space.
I want a NT who gets a push up the middle,LBs who are fast sideline to sideline that have good coverage skills and fast DBs that can also thump and ALL of those are available to us this year.
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 4, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
They better get someone at NT even if Ferg comes back...
because I well remember what happened to our run D when scam-cam & mueller put all their chips on a too long in the tooth Keith Traylor and hedged with merely a mid-round reach in Paul Soliai.
I agree, as long as it is later in the draft
3rd round or later. Any earlier than that and it is a wasted pick. Especially considering that you are going to get no better than the 3rd rated player at that position, behind Suh and McCoy.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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i'm sorry, but that is not the correct answer!
but thanks for playing.
;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 4, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just gonna make a predicition here
The Dolphins won’t sign ANY valuable/expesnsive FAs this season. I really hope I’m wrong but… don’t get your hopes up.
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just for curiousity...
is Dansby a valuable/expensive FA as you see it?
I don’t necessarily agree or disagree, but I’d like to understand your prediction here.
i would weigh it against the Porter signing
If we could get Dansby for something like what we paid Porter, I’d say pull the trigger!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 4, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and we will not acquire him
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He doesn't fill a need...
He really sounds more like a strong safety—tackles well, but doesn’t have great coverage skills. Yeremiah Bell is doing a good job back there—he went to the Pro Bowl!—and Clemons seems like he’s a capable backup. What we need is a free safety, who can cover well and really help out our CBs. Tackling is good, of course, but I’d rather not have a free safety who leads the team in tackles! I’d much rather he gets INTs, breaks up passes, or prevents passes from being thrown by having excellent coverage.
If we do get a Cardinal, it seems like Dansby is the guy. I wouldn’t break the bank on him, though…
One benefit that I realized about the uncapped year is that it might be a good year to cut loose underperformers with big contracts (like Wilson?). Normally, the bulk of the guaranteed money (e.g. signing bonuses) gets accelerated against the salary cap during the year a player is cut. I think that’s why we couldn’t cut Porter earlier. If there’s no cap, then who cares?
8 million reasons to sign antrell rolle...4 interceptions...Gibril Wilson...0 interceptions
You can talk stats about coverage, but I saw a game on TV where Antrell Rolle read Eli Manning’s eyes and
picked off a pass. He did it four times last year.
Can you say the same about Gibril Wilson?
If Yeremiah Bell were to get injured again, I could see a secondary with Antrell Rolle and Gibril Wilson.
I don’t know if I would offer 8 million per year.
That’s a little outrageous, but if we can draft some OLBs and a NT…please get Dansby!!!!
we could afford to spend more on the back end of the defense, at least until we know what we have in Chris Clemons…
I say YES
1st: Jerry Hughes; 2nd: Daryl Washington; 3rd: Emmanuel Sanders WR: 4th: Kade Weston NT; 6A: James Starks RB; 6B:Colin Peek TE; 6C: Thomas Austin G/C; 7A: Art Jones NT; 7B: Scott Long WR;
Everybody loves turnovers, DD
but most decent FSs will get them if there is enough solid play from the pass rush and corners. Not to defend Gerbil, but we just didn’t pressure the QBs much last year.
What concerns me more is the pass coverage, and preventing the big plays. Rolle got 4 picks through the season, but how many big plays and TDs did he allow?
I don’t think Rolle is the answer, unless Nolan can teach him to stick with his assignment… and that is sorta the opposite of jumping the WR routes
IMO.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 4, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
we need playmakers!!
duh!! Lol…
We have to sign Dansby, he’s a playmaker, he’s the type of player that make everybody else good, how about some leadership…he’d be a great fit, that’s why he’s so expensive
i wouldnt mine having a guy like him, very solid, dependable player
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"Violence is not the answer, it's the question; the answer is YES!!!"
As frustrating as It was to watch Wilson last year
he did play with two rookie corners and had a DC who managed to get himself fired ,. He deserves another chance and with Nolan coming in could make huge strides. I doubt the Trifecta will give up on him so quickly with other fires to put out .
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