I'm not the type of person that will try to confront somebody but now I feel like it's gone too far. It's gone too far. I haven't did anything wrong to nobody.
Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did. That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL.
I'll admit - I love that confidence. I love that he will come in with a chip on his shoulder. But will Miami be one of the team's that pass on him - and Dez eventually "kills?"
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Nice!
I like WR’s with that kind of attitude. Now, could it move into the “Give Me the Damn Ball” attitude, yes. But, it’s a good thing to have, initially at least.
Peyton Manning told Indy, when they were trying to decide between him and Ryan Leaf, “If you don’t take me, I am going to kill you for the next 15 years.” I think he was right.
Maybe this is what Dez needs to beocme a great WR.
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i was just looking for that qoute by peyton
i heard it like 10 mins ago somewhere.
draft micah johnson
they play it over and over on NFL network
its a draft commercial.
There’s another one where its Brady saying that he walked in on his first day as a Pat and went to the owner and said “Hi Mr. Kraft, I’m Tom Brady, and you made one of the best decisions of your life picking me”.
While I hate him, its a cool quote
I still question whether that's just propaganda or not
Brady would have been laughed out of the room, considering how late he was drafted, and it just doesn’t seem Peyton-like. But what do I know?
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He sounds more frustrated than anything
His agent is the bigger concern for me since a guy like him needs to be in camp asap.
Go get Suh if at all possible.
by special agent wildcat on Mar 31, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
He is associated with Deion Sanders....
Who is also thought to be behind Crabtree’s hold out last season, so it is very possible he doesn’t report on time.
Good article in the ESPN the Magazine from two weeks ago about Deion’s leverage within the NFL right now.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Mar 31, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't stop there!
“Even if I did forget my cleats, what do that have to do with me playing football? … Y’all don’t want me to go to the NFL? It is going to happen. God blessed me to have this ability to play this game. … I’m going through the same situation Randy Moss did.” He also defended Pacman Jones. “Why down talk the man?” Bryant said of Pacman. “The man did everything right.”
you might love his confidence, but you HAVE to question his judgment… and memory.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 31, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
Ummmm....yeah.
“Same situation Randy Moss did”…..whatever. To even compare the two at this point is ludacris.
Pacman did everything right……that should scare some folks.
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same here I hope he cleans up his act
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I think he's have to figure out his act before he cleans it up.
What does forgetting your cleats have to do with playing football?
He wsasn’t majolring in rocket science at OSU was he?
by PhrozenPhish on Mar 31, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No but I'm feelin Dez-y
I forgot my spell-check befoe I posted
by PhrozenPhish on Mar 31, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It is something stupid to say
but think about it, football isn’t quantum physics…we aren’t paying him to have intellectual conversations. He plays the game, he out jumps defenders for balls, he scores touchdown, he makes plays. I want him…. As long as it doesn’t effect the locker room and he doesn’t bad mouth to coaches (and i highly doubt that would happen with some of the players in the locker room and with the hard -nosed coaching staff). We will regret not taking him over some stupid comments he says, who cares?
I'm not saying don't take him but.....
It I was going to give him several $million over the next 3-5 years I’d like to be confident he’s going to do his part to make sure he makes that a worthwhile investment….I’m not sure he’s demostrated that you can count on him doing that.
Somebody is going to get a hell of a player…or they may be getting a physically gifted athlete who doesn’t have the awareness and disicipline to excell (which is what – Ted Ginn – a first round pick must do to avoid being branded a bust) in the NFL
by PhrozenPhish on Mar 31, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand
but you have to remember this is still a pretty young, naive and immature kid. He hasn’t had good examples to learn from. You give him the right coaching staff, you surround him with the right people and he will mature. Hopefully some of the “wiser” players and coaches will rub off on him. I’m sure we have all said some pretty idiotic things at one point or another but people grow up and become professsionals, this kid doesn’t seem helpless, just a little lost.
And you might well be bang-on with your analysis
and some team with the right approach gets the next Michael Irvin.
But the problem Bryant presents is that kind of “reclamation” or “nurturing” is usually reserved for rounds later than One.
Bryant has too much talent to fall to where teams are more comfortable taking a chance on him.
Someone is going to gamble about $20 million on their ability to develop him into a professional athlete. – that’s going to take some nerve.
by PhrozenPhish on Mar 31, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think what he does, depends on the attitude of whoever picks him
I think some validation would go a long way towards getting Bryant’s head right. He’s had a very, very crappy life thusfar, and some extra attention would do him well. I think Singletary might be one of the better coaches for Dez to end up with, seeing as Dez’s attitude problem doesn’t seem to be rooted in arrogance and conceit (ala Peezy), it just seems like he feels that nobody, from his childhood to now, has ever really wanted him.
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by Farorefox on Mar 31, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Currently doing it, actually
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That might be one of the smartest posts I've ever read.
And one of the best points that’s been made on this site.
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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 31, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy screams "baby T.O."
I mean seriously…..he may very well “kill” on the field, but just like T.O. he will “KILL” in the locker room too. He will quit playing when he feels like it….just like, who’d he compare himself to? oh yeah, Randy Moss. I dont think any of us want a cancer in the locker room much less on the field. I think it is hilarious how there are so many fans on this site that see all the WARNING signs that come with all the “talent” that is DEZ BRYANT. He sits out the combine. He shows up unprepared for his pro day much like he came to college practice and games unprepared. He gives an Allen Iverson-esque response when handed criticism for said actions.
He has pretty much looked at the world and said “I have shown you all I will show you till you Pay me. and then, you will get what I give you” And still, everyone here thinks he is a godsend. Sure, the numbers mean little. Its the act of basically sticking his middle finger up and saying “roll the dice” because I will do little to show you I deserve a selection at all, much less a first round one. And you all still scream “we gotta have the unproven baby T.O. who has said he is not willing to show he will WORK to be drafted.”
To compare, I have consistently said our best move is to move down in round 1, get an extra 3rd or maybe if we are lucky even a 2nd round pick, and draft Terrence Cody. And instantly I am met with criticism that “he let himself get to 375 so I question his work ethic” and “he’ll get fat and lazy as soon as he gets paid”. And even AFTER Mt Cody worked his tail OFF and got to 349 for his pro day, an ideal playing weight for a solid NT, those remarks were made to my suggestion. These same people have NO QUESTION regarding Dez Bryant’s work ethic and he has basically said, I will work to prove nothing to anyone!
To those of you that see DEZ BRYANT for what he is, an enigmatic cancer, I applaud you. Sure, the guy has mad talent and will probably be just as good as T.O. or Randy Moss….but he will be just as good as them both ON and OFF the field. To those of you that disagree even after reading my points and know them to be fact, well all i can say is that the TUNA himself has never drafted a WR in rd 1, and to highlight that fact….he had prior experience with T.O. in Dallas and QUIT because of him. So even IF the Tuna takes a WR in rd 1….it will not be baby T.O.
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Big deal he did not have the best pro day
Look how many had great pro days and failed in the nfl look how many had average pro days and did good.I mean really there is no sure thing in the draft every team is taking a chance
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by Foy on Mar 31, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
exactly sam bradford had an excellent proday but
yet he could just as well be the next david carr..so the fact people are trying to use Dez’s proday as an excuse to not draft him is ridiculous
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
david carr
being in houston might have hurt carr, but the had his own problems. the guy has one of the slowest releases around. even a good OL would probably not have been able to protect a QB who can’t get rid of the ball quick enough.
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Not Ryan Leaf. LOL.
Carr was fairly solid coming out of college. People think USC puts out alot of QBs. There are currently 3 QBs from Fresno State on NFL rosters. Funny thing is people are always down on Trent Dilfer when he played in the NFL. He was recruited as a LB. LOL. The other thing is that their are two Pac 10 coaches that were QBs at Fresno State. Carr was the best that I had seen out of any of them. By the way Carr’s little brother sould have started this year as a true Freshman. D. Carr was sacked 76 times his rookie year. I think he is lucky to still be playing. I’ll put the soap box away now.
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong?
I’ve seen maybe 12 QBs at Fresno State. 10 of those 12 played in the NFL. I played football against a couple of them. Carr had all the tools to be a solid QB at the pro level. Plus he’s the son of a Pro Bowl NFL player. What killed David Carr is the fact that Tony Boselli an All Pro LT decide to retire instead of play for an expansion team. David Carr’s First 4 years he was sacked 200 times.
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
200 times, if correct, would ruin any QB's career.
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Yep
2002-76, 2003-15, 2004-49, 2005-68. David is tough kid though.
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
03 wasn't bad
he almost gets sacked as often as Big Ben
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David Carr's a great kid to boot. He's just a shell of what saw at Fresno State
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Carr had one of the best QB coaches in the league working with him in Gary Kubiak.
Carr’s problem wasn’t his physical tools or getting sacked. His problem was his understanding of a pro passing offense. He couldn’t process the coverages, make the correct reads, deliver the ball on time, and deliver it accurately.
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He didn’t become Houston’s coach until 2006. Fresno State runs a pro-style offense. That’s why all of their QBs get drafted.
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he would've been any good if he was sacked half that much
Maybe it scared him a little, but if he was going to be a good QB, he would’ve bounced back. Same with Harrington. If you are a good QB, you become a good QB.
Manning, rookie season – 22 sacks, 28 INT’s
Carr, rookie season – 76 sacks, 15 INT’s
GET RID OF THE BALL ROOKIE!
lol seriously though, I don’t believe he would’ve ever been a good QB, regardless of all the sacks. There’s no way to prove for or against that, just my belief.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It made sense for us to take Jake Long instead of Matt Ryan
I guess BP didn’t know what he was/is doing. (sarcasm) But I’m not going to complain about the job BP is doing thus far.
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well here's where I stand on the Jake Long pick at this point
we got lucky with Henne. If he fails, like most 2nd round QB’s do, we made a bad pick in Long. Because no matter how awesome your LT is, you can’t win in this league without a QB. Because Henne seems to be playing his way into the Franchise QB tag, it was a good pick, because you get a great LT AND a good QB in the same draft.
I don’t think too many people would feel good about that pick if we were still hunting for a franchise QB at this stage of the game.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
A great LT will let a QB develop, no matter
how good of a QB “prospect” (operative term) it is, he won’t do anything if the opposing DC doesn’t have to use any blitzes to get to the QB. In fact only a few vets can do so.
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wrong
if a QB stinks, it doesn’t matter how great his OL is. He’s still going to stink. Look at the Jets. Great OL, great running game, great defense, and they lost in the playoffs because their QB failed. If a QB is good, he can play his entire career behind a mediocre OL and be somewhat successful. But he can also make a mediocre OL look better because the ball comes out on time and he keeps the defense off balance. Bad QB’s can make good LT’s look terrible because they hold the ball and don’t make quick reads or hot reads vs the blitz.
You can’t develop a great QB.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So why do NFL teams even have O lines?
Some HS teams run without them, and it lets you have more “playmakers” on the field. So lets cut them and have 3 RBs, 1 TE, 2 QBs, and 5 WRs. There are reasons this doesn’t work in the NFL.
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what are you talking about?
first of all, the “A-11” offense that you are referring to is now illegal at all levels of football as far as I know.
Secondly, where did I ever say OL wasn’t important? I said a Franchise QB trumps everything else on a football team as far importance goes. That doesn’t mean that you can line up a franchise QB 1 on 11 and win games, don’t be dumb.
There’s a reason some highly-rated QB’s fail, and others succeed, and it’s not as cut and dry as “this guy had better blocking.” Most of these guys are drafted high, by terrible teams, so they are all mostly in the same position. The great ones push through and have success, the failures… well… fail.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The Great Ones Get Traded to Better Teams. An they Prove it.
You take your Franchise QB when comes. You don’t play your Franchise QB until you have the OL to protect him.
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Great QB's get traded?
When?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I give you 2, Steve Young, Jim Plunket
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you 10 ACTIVE that weren't.
Peyton, Rivers, Big Ben, Brady, McNabb, Romo, Eli, Rodgers, Palmer, Brees (he was cut after his shoulder injury)
The only Franchise QB’s I can think of that have been traded are Cutler and Favre. Great QB’s don’t get traded.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Brees was given a second chance.
And made the most of it.
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QBs
I guess what I’m saying is we may never now unless you have a team around your QB. I laughed when the Niner’s traded for Steve Young. I used Young and Plunket because they are in the HOF. If they hadn’t landed on the right team they would have been footnotes in the NFL.
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said!
It takes a team to be successful in this league and a complete team to win a SB. A great QB is a part of that but isn’t the full picture.
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Funny Thing Is.
Trent Dilfer also played at Fresno State and he is the anti franchise QB argument. LOL.
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Rivers and Manning got traded right off the bat
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Didn't we have a pretty good QB the year
b4 the year we drafted Dan “THE MAN”?
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Another was Kurt Warner
Or at least he was cut. Any QB that wins a SB is pretty good.
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Warner's got a great story.
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by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was what you were getting at.
Of course it is not cut and dry.
Here is what it is in my mind:
1) Inteligence and reaction
2) Arm Accuracy
3)Arm Strength
4)Work Ethic and Film Study
5)Coaching/ Mentor
6)O-line
7)Receiving weapons
8)Running Game
9)Respectful D
If all of those are present you should not only have a Pro Bowl QB, but a championship team. Now not all of these need to be present, but most of them can be seen with elite QBs, I believe.
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But it at least gives the QB a chance before being thrown to
the wolves. A bad O-line can make a bad defense look great. Also if LTs are so unimportant, why are they paid so much? Matt light of the patriots is about to make $4.257 mil
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LT's are important
I’ve never said anything otherwise. But even a great LT can look like shit if the QB is lost on the field. And an OK LT can look a lot better than he is if he plays in front of a great QB.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Say what???
A great OL can carry an average QB. Baltmore won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer…it wasn’t all Defence.
The Dolphins had an OL in the 70’s that was so good it went to three straight Super Bowls and got Bob Griese into the Hall of Fame with a 77.1 career passer rating and a 56% career completion rate.
Griese won a Super Bowl completing 8 of 11 passes…he didn’t get touched.
The other half of the equasion is the running game…you can’t run the ball without a great O line and a good running game is the key to taking the pressure off the QB…Langer, Little (who are three) and Kootch (who should be) are the reason Czonka and Griese are in Canton.
The Jets (God I hate saying anything nice about them) had the best running attack in the NFL last year. So good they overcame a 12-20 TD/Int ratio and a 63. passer rating and got within one game of the Super Bowl
They lost in the AFC Championship game not because the pretty boy failed but because Manning torched their D for the last three quarters.
Sanchez had a better than average game for him : 17/30 – 257 2 Tds and 1 Int.
They lost because even thought they didn’t give up a sack the Jets O Line failed to get the 170yds rushing they’d been averaging in the Playoffs.
Jake Long was the right pick…..he will anchor that Line for the next decade. Further, I don’t think Henne was luck…I think they knew exactly what they were getting and they were sure he’d still be there at the 57th pick.
Luck happened when the Jets cut Pennington, we got a proven starter and Henne aquired the best mentor you could hope for.
If you look at the current Dolphin roster you’ll note that 16 of the 18 players they’ve taken in the last two dratfs are still there.
So far it would appear they know exactly what they’re doing.
Cheers
by PhrozenPhish on Mar 31, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Baltimore had the best defense of all-time
you better believe that was mostly defense that won them that Super Bowl. And while Dilfer wasn’t great, he was efficient, and he didn’t stand back there and hold the ball or miss reads. He was a smart, veteran QB.
Griese only threw 11 passes because we ran the ball better than anyone. Yes that had a lot to do with the OL, but it also had a lot to do with Csonka, Morris, and Kiick. I’m not disregarding the OL, but Griese was a good QB in his own right.
Jake Long was the right pick. But if Henne isn’t a good QB, then it was the wrong pick. And getting Henne may not have been luck, but him succeeding goes well against the odds. There are 2 starting QB’s in the league that were 2nd round picks, Brees and Henne. You just don’t normally have success finding a franchise QB in round 2, so in that instance, yes we were lucky.
and btw, I never questioned what Parcells and Co. have done. I don’t expect you to suddenly change your opinion and agree with me, but a Franchise QB trumps all else in the NFL, and nothing is gonna change my mind on that. Teams like the Ravens Super Bowl squad and last year’s Jets are the exceptions. Teams like NE and Indy, that are there EVERY SINGLE YEAR because of their great QB’s, are the rule.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not arguing that
I’m not suggesting you’re slagging the trifecta…and I agree that a franchise QB is key to a dynasty..but they’re not always found in the first round.
Manning – yes …
Elway – yes
Kelly – yes
Even Marino – yes
but what makes the 2nd round any luckier than any other?
Brady – 6th
Montana 3rd
Favre – 2nd – then traded
Moon – FA
Theismann FA
Further for every Manning there’s a Leaf
For Every Elway there’s a Blackledge.
The first round is a crap-shoot as well,,,and an expensive one.
by PhrozenPhish on Mar 31, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Dilfer and Carr
I would take David Carr over Trent Dilfer all day long. Trent’s a great leader and both Trent and David are pretty good guys. Carr had all the tools when he left Fresno State. He was a complete QB. That was then and this is now though.
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1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrington and Carr
Carr might still bounce back. I doubt it though. Remember he has sat behind the lesser Manning the last couple of years. Harrington and Carr have that deer in the headlights look. You always draft a blindside protector. At Fresno State Carr had a guy by the name of Logan Mankins protecting his blindside.
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1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You Live in Cathys Valley?
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1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Small World. I live in Clovis.
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1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I am in Clovis and Fresno every year
to visit family lol
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
Ever have that dream, where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? Why am I the only one that has that dream.
No shit. It rained for a little while down here, but, didn't think it would be enough to give us snow.
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Know your enemy, know youself, fight 100 battle without defeat. Sun Tzu
1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
lol wow we got a lil Phinsider community in Clovis.
where is Clovis? Sounds like somebody’s name from the movies Underworld
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
"You wanna get high man? Does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
"Keep on knockin but you can't come innnn!!!"
- Cheech & Chong - Up in Smoke -
Clovis
It’s outside of Fresno. Fresno has a Population of 800k. Clovis has a population of about 95k.
Leader of The Draft Derrick Morgan Express Train.
Know your enemy, know youself, fight 100 battle without defeat. Sun Tzu
1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I see, I used to live in socal
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
"You wanna get high man? Does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
"Keep on knockin but you can't come innnn!!!"
- Cheech & Chong - Up in Smoke -
You and I would be trouble. Lock up your daughters trouble.
Leader of The Draft Derrick Morgan Express Train.
Know your enemy, know youself, fight 100 battle without defeat. Sun Tzu
1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
Ever have that dream, where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? Why am I the only one that has that dream.
You live in Colorado now right?
You grow up in the Fresno Area Fr8train.
Leader of The Draft Derrick Morgan Express Train.
Know your enemy, know youself, fight 100 battle without defeat. Sun Tzu
1. D. Morgan OLB/DE
2. T. Cody NT
3. R. Jones FS/SS
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 31, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in Columbus, OH now actually
Never lived in CA, I was born and raised in FL.
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
Ever have that dream, where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? Why am I the only one that has that dream.
Right no oline, and nothing else offensively if i remember correctly.
The only wisdom is the knowledge that you don't know.
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not the numbers
It’s the way he approached what should have bee the biggest day of his soonj-to-be professional life.
Forgot the cleats…didn’t know how to do some drills…..quit on some others and now his feelings are hurt becasue people are pointing out he blew a chance to silence his doubters.
by PhrozenPhish on Mar 31, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
he had plenty of time to prepare, but he didn’t seem to even bother
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 31, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
this^^^
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
"You wanna get high man? Does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
"Keep on knockin but you can't come innnn!!!"
- Cheech & Chong - Up in Smoke -
Me and Dez have a love/hate relationship
I can’t decide if I want him drafted at #12 or not. My mind changes about it every day.
It's 2010 - do the smart thing. Draft Myron Rolle.
Campaigning for the drafting of Mike Williams, WR, Syracuse. He's got more upside than Wilfork has backside.
thats my nigga
Dez Bryant will be a #1 receiver in the nfl if the dolphins pass up on him i gauran damn tee you
they same people wanting to give up a 1 for marshall because hes proven will say the same for Dez once he enters the leauge
in other words DRAFT HIM!
Finest Hour
now why you wanna talk like that?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 31, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont be hattin
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If I bandwagon a player, he'll bust, or do something stupid so...
(Insert snarky, witty saying here)
rofl
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1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Mar 31, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Cuz he associates with the thug gangsta way of life. What a lifestyle ! How do I get one of those?
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Hartline made me proud! Kid has "quality" & "heart" written all over him.
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe please.. please?
by MainePhinFan on Mar 31, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.. another young player comming into the NFL acting like a thug gangsta. Yup lets snag him !
Is it just me or does this quote just scream trouble? No thank you.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Hartline made me proud! Kid has "quality" & "heart" written all over him.
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe please.. please?
If I want trouble I will grab Marshall and KNOW what Im getting for a PLAYER as well as the other stuff.
“Even if I did forget my cleats, what do that have to do with me playing football? … Y’all don’t want me to go to the NFL? It is going to happen”
He really believes that someone is out to get him. hey news flash Dez no one stole your cleates b4 you did your public workout. YOU FORGOT them. YOU dude. No one else forgot them but you. And I guess in his world we shouldnt mention him screwing up and forgetting them. No one should mention him being LATE constantly either. No No dont tell the truth.. dont point out the FACTS cs if you do that your a.. wait for it…. wait… wait for it…. a HATER.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Hartline made me proud! Kid has "quality" & "heart" written all over him.
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe please.. please?
by MainePhinFan on Mar 31, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh ya and Dez.. your cleats has EVERYTHING to do with you playing football.
And the fact that you dont realize just what your “public workout” (including your preperation and how you actualy did durring that workout) actually has to do with going to the NFL means you are a total jack ass.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Hartline made me proud! Kid has "quality" & "heart" written all over him.
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe please.. please?
by MainePhinFan on Mar 31, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Moss?
The guy that stopped running routes and pouted during the game when the Saints spanked the Pats?
did he really just say "I haven't DID anything wrong."?
yes u don du grammar rong
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
wow really? did, done you get what he meant
hes going to get paid to catch passes not to become a english teacher
Finest Hour
Hahahaha I hope I'm not the only one who caught the irony of this comment.
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1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Mar 31, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
lol sorry man
I really HAD to push that button.
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1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Mar 31, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh you caught it already.
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1a. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee/1b. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
1c. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson/1d. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
1e. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas/1f. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
by Dave.Phuller on Mar 31, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
had to bring it out
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Jerry Hughes in the 1st
Nate Allen in the 2nd (Cant have enough Allens on the secondary)
Jimmy Graham in the 3rd
Enough already! There is so much misinformation out there it is ridiculous! He had SIX pairs of shoes on hand at his workout. Was he a little out of shape? Sure, but he hasn’t been in game shape since last September! There is WAY too much emphasis being put on a guy working out in his underwear. “He doesn’t have the speed.” “His big play ability is questionable.” ENOUGH! Just watch the tape people!! That’s all the guy did is make plays! He is a stud, and as close to a guaranteed #1 WR as there could be. Nobody is without questions, even Peyton Manning was criticized coming out of UT. I am so sick of drafting WRs and “hoping” they develop into a #1. Just draft a guy who already is a #1. Either address the problem with the best option or don’t draft another one at all. Take Bryant at 12. All the great ones come with risk. Marino had serious questions about drug use when he came out. Why do you think he fell to us at 27? Henne needs a true stud, give it to him. Dez Bryant.
I dunno
I’m reading not only does he have attitude problems, but the dude is just plain “not bright”
but I guess I shouldn’t care. If he can catch brown missles thrown at him with regularity, he can be a knuckle dragging caveman for all I care. Hope he kicks ass if we draft him
Poor Dez...
him against the world rolls eyes.
Seriously friend, you know what? Bringing your cleats, not giving up on routes, and ditching on the bench press…..you know what that is….nothing but simple preparation and basic effort. It has nothing to do with talent, just effort and preparation.
Guess what? If you can’t show up semi-prepared for your very own pro day, then why would I think you’ll any more prepared on sunday afternoons next fall?
Well, according to the article, the writers made a mistake, with him not having his "favorite" set
According to him, he had 6 sets of cleats. And in all of the photos I’ve seen he’s got a pair of cleats on, so…
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If I bandwagon a player, he'll bust, or do something stupid so...
(Insert snarky, witty saying here)
so.. that should tell you he clearly didnt have his favorite set
which is why he kept switching
Finest Hour
EXACTLY. Why do some people not get this? I just do not understand.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Hartline made me proud! Kid has "quality" & "heart" written all over him.
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe please.. please?
by MainePhinFan on Mar 31, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There were questions about his drive,
his commitment to the game and thereby his team, it was said he was always late, he was lazy.
And how does he respond, by showing up late to his own pro day,………………without his cleats??????
Yo dude, I’m sorry, are we cutting into your PS3 time??
He CLEARLY does not get it, he is in his own world.
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Wow UF and I agree on something.. the world will end in 1 hour. Everyone get their woman (or man?) and bust out!
All of this Bryant talk does not matter any longer as the world will end in 59 minutes now!
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Hartline made me proud! Kid has "quality" & "heart" written all over him.
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe please.. please?
by MainePhinFan on Mar 31, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Some fans just seem to trust whatever someone tells them first...and run with it
Never been arrested….he went to Deions house people/
He had 6 pairs of shoes…to all of you talking about how stupid and clueless he was
This is EXACTLY like Randy Moss…I guarantee if Dez Bryant looked like Jordan Shipley…he wouldnt he questioned like this
You know its true….I know its true….
He sure as hell knows the English language better than Vontae Davis ill tell you that
Its pathetic to think some people are passing on this talent cuz he seems a lil laid back
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Bryant's off the field situation is meaningless to me
He made a mistake talking to an agent. Like you said Rzayo, he has never been arrested or did anything else really noteworthy to be getting this kind of bad reputation.
I like what he said and I like him as an athlete. He would instantly make the Phins a better football team.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
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"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
So wouldnt Brandon Marshall for 100% sure
And with Marshall you know you are getting (IMO) the 2nd best receiver in the game. No possibility of a bust or anything. There is a reason Bryants stock is dropping, and I do not believe for a second its some covert ops to get his stock down. Its this way because he has issues. work ethic and heart are the most important things (outside of actual talent) for a receiver in the NFL and he does not seem to have either.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Hartline made me proud! Kid has "quality" & "heart" written all over him.
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe please.. please?
by MainePhinFan on Mar 31, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
A lil laid back? Its not the forgetting or the English stuff for me..
Its the not taking blame for forgetting his cleats, the putting the bad workout on the fact that he forgot his cleats then saying he had 3000 pairs of cleats there. Its the showing up 2 hours late for his own “pro day” of sorts. Its the lack of ambition he shows. Its the “im the shit bitch” attitude. Its the being suspended most of last season. Its the lack of respect he has shown people in saying what he says and the attitude he says it.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Hartline made me proud! Kid has "quality" & "heart" written all over him.
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe please.. please?
by MainePhinFan on Mar 31, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dez just needs a hug & a father figure.
He wants to do gooder..
R will reply to the comment that has focus
I feel Dez just has to mature a lil more
He really needs to think through his actions off the field and just show he can be a responsible NFL player. To me forgetting your cleets (whether he had other ones or not) is like a Marine forgetting his rifle to go to battle because a football player shouldn’t be forgetting one of his most important tools on the field (besides his skill and other pads duh).
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
"You wanna get high man? Does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
"Keep on knockin but you can't come innnn!!!"
- Cheech & Chong - Up in Smoke -
okay here is a better analogy
Forgetting your cleats to you pro day is like forgetting to bring a pen to a job interview. It’s not the end of the world but it makes you look bad.
Dolphin Ninja here, ASSASSINATING stupid draft posts. CJ Spiller or ELSE!!!
IT SIMPLY IS ALL ABOUT THE U!!!
"You wanna get high man? Does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
"Keep on knockin but you can't come innnn!!!"
- Cheech & Chong - Up in Smoke -
exactly
and I think the only reason people even know that he forgot them is because he tried to use it as an excuse for why he looked bad in his drills… which comes off even worse.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my one and only issue I have with this statement
he’s comparing himself to another GREAT WR. One that he has no business comparing himself to at this stage of the game. He’s made the comparison of himself to Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, and now Moss, 3 of the top 5 in the league, and 3 of the best of this generation. I understand he thinks highly of himself, but comparing yourself to great WR’s after you didn’t put forth much effort in damn pro day doesn’t sit well with me. Maybe you should be busting your ass to prove that you are that good before actually just saying you are.
Other than that, I actually like the cockiness. Doesn’t really change how I feel overall about him, which is that he scares me to death at 12 because there’s too many negatives surrounding him.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 31, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
I think Moss is a good comparison
Sorry to intrude on your discussion Dolphin fans.
Moss stops trying and gets lazy if things don’t go his way. I mean come on, what kind of #1 receiver gives up on his route while the play is still going on?(i.e. Pats vs Saints 2009) He caused an interception which as a Saints fan I was happy for. Brady didn’t throw a bad pass, Moss just stopped running his route. The man has all the talent in the world, but I would never want him on my team. Give me a 7th round choice like Colston any day over him(Moss). Or even a undrafted free agent like Lance Moore. These guys have heart and a work ethic that just doesn’t stop. BTW they always bring their cleats, unlike RB Bell who we have parted ways with. (thank you Eagles)
The English grammar is no biggie unless he can talk correctly then it shows he is lazy. But if that is the best he can talk while knowing he is under a magnifying lens then give him a break.
Anyway, good luck in the draft.
I like his swagger
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