Pat White to the Bills?
by RJ2549 on Mar 23, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
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(From EAPN AFC EAST blog)
Bills head coach Chan Gailey said Tuesday morning at the NFL owners meetings that adding another back will be a priority in the draft along with the offensive and defensive lines and a wide receiver.
Gailey has a prototype in mind, a complement to the size and power Jackson and Lynch offer.
"There's some good running backs in the draft this year different than what we've got. So change of pace, again, might be something you could do there with a different type of player.
"The guys that are coming out now, there's a bunch of those 5-9, 185-pound or 195-pound, quick-as-a-cat water bugs that are running backs-slash-receivers that might give you a little bit of a punch on the field, maybe make a big play."
This is what Pat White does well. He is shifty and quick. We should get some value out of him while we can. Sporano has already stated that White and Thigpen have the same skill set. Thigpen is obviously the better passer/QB now, so maybe this should be explored.
What is his current value?
Trade him to the Bills along with our 1st for their 1st. (move up 3 spots)
Trade him for a 3rd or 4th rounder? Pair of 5ths?
What is the consensus?
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And Tyler Thigpen is much more of a possibility than White, who hasn’t even proven he can complete a pass thusfar.
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Not very likely or smart
Why would we want to trade him within the division? While the PW experiment hasn’t been that successful here, why give him a chance to get better and become a threat to a rival? Add that with the fact we probably wouldn’t get back what we spent (doubtful Buffalo gives a 2nd or higher draft pick for him), this trade will not and should not happen.
Cuz he sucks?
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins. Good.
Trade Brown? Are you smoking crack?
Hartline will be the Dolphins #2 for years to come. Kid has IT
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
We dont need a 30+ receiver we need younger, Bowe or Marshall will do fine
hmmm
If we could move up 3 spots that would be huge. Then we could get berry! : )
by BigPuma23 on Mar 23, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'll trade Thigpen to the bills to swap 1st's and add a 5th.
I love Thigpen, but he has way more value than White at the moment and that’s the only way this kind of deal would go threw.
Plus, I’m not ready to give up on Pat White. I think he struggled mostly because of the way he was used (which was terrible by the way). I’m not going to sit here and say he’s going to be the next Mike Vick, but I do believe he will make for a great back-up QB to Henne.
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by JP 23 on Mar 24, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by JP 23 on Mar 24, 2010 12:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For one I dont know why the Bills would do this. They need a starter and White showed
nothing last season to say that he could be one.
As far as the argument about trading him in the division. I like most do not want to trade a player to a division rival but I would always be open to listen to ANY offers. If your divisional foe wants to to something stupid and overpay then you would have to consider it.
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ha ha...
texas he showed he wasn’t even capable of being effective on a specialized formation for 5 plays/game. How a team that needs a starter figures that Pat White is the missing piece is beyond me…
Though I don’t discount the fact that this is Buffalo we are speaking about…
I could see them making a run after Thigpen. If we could get over value there you would have
to at least consider it even though I would be sick if Thigpen were to come back later and burn us.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 23, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
but...
This whole situation is just very unlikely
by BigPuma23 on Mar 23, 2010 5:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
hah ur crazy
we couldnt get more than a 7th rounder for this loser. i dont even believe we could get that. i would take a bag of cheddar kettle cooked lays potato chips for him and run with it.
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More like Thigpen
White hasn’t completed a pass yet, so why would u want him?
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as unlikely as it is that we’d trade to a division rival, at least Thigpen has looked something like an NFL QB when he’s played and actually been a starter.
Pat White as a starting QB is more akin to elicit giggles…
That's B.S. Natalya.
Thigpen had time to develop and so will Pat White. Thigpen was a nobody from a nowhere school, threw 2 passes his rookie year. From that he had a decent sason given the opportunity. Why Can’t Pat White do that. This regime wanted him, he has all the skills, he was a 2nd round pick, and he is one of the best College qb’s in history.
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How is it BS? If a team is looking for a starter is it not logical to assume that they would
look at players that show they can pull it off at the NFL level? Sure Pat White might surprise us all one day but equating what a QB did in college to what he will be in the pros is never a good idea. Look at the list. Some of the best ever in college never even started a game in the NFL and many more just sort of fizzled out. It has to be the hardest position to project from one level to the next.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 23, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What was B.S. was when she wrote "Pat White as a starting QB is more akin to elicit giggles…"
That wasn’t cool or accurrate. Also, I never “equated” what Pat White did in college to the pros. There aren’t a whole bunch of QB’s who do well in the league coming from a place like Coastal Carolina. My point is let Pat white have the time to develop and then make the judgement on the type of player that he is. My point was that Pat White has all the tools, skills and background to be sucessful to be a good QB.
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I dont see it!
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by texascowpunk on Mar 23, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Open your eyes, man!
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
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Elicited giggles from me...
… the belief of some here is that White doesn’t have what you say he has, that’s all. You believe he does, that’s all. Just a difference of opinions… one not being more BS than the other….
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by texascowpunk on Mar 23, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
tools/skills
he doesnt have elite arm strength, he doesnt have great accuracy, he doesnt have any poise in the pocket, he doesnt have the height to see over linemen, he comes from a spread offense(primarily shotgun) so he doesnt have the background, he doesnt have elite speed, he doesnt have an nfl build…
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 23, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not what was said before the draft and that's not what the Triad thinks or they would not have drafted him in the 2nd.
Ireland stated that they drafted him because “he’s a great athlete.” And that they saw him as a quarterback.
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exactly hes a great athlete
but doesnt have ANY of the skills to be a good nfl qb
personally i think the “triad” was high when they drafted him. i honestly have no clue what they were thinking. could use some of the stuff they were on tho =D
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 23, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
pat white IS a tool
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Anything is possible,
but the percentages are against Pat White doing anything on the Dolphins OR the NFL.
There are many “where-are-they-now” best college qb’s.
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Since when is...
player X did it, therefore player W(hite) can. What sort of logic is that?
Are you serious….Pat White…one of the best college QB’s in history? I suppose if one never considers anything but the statistics book then perhaps.
Not that being one of the greatest college QB’s would mean much in terms of a players NFL prospects anyway. If it did, then Danny Wuerffel would be an NFL star. Or heck, Ken Dorsey who had a better career at UM than Jim Kelly, would be an all-pro :-)
Natalya,
I’m pretty good at “logic” and that was not the point I made. I was simply giving an example of a player given time and the opportunty to prepare and improve, that showed great improvement. My point with Thigpen was that given where he came from as a 7th rounder, he was able to have success eventually. To me its illogical for those who are jumping all over a rookie QB with a limited number of game snaps.
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Makes me wonder for his limited game snaps...
… kind of tells me White aint cuttin it… last time he saw action, he was knocked out…
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Tyler Thigpen THREW 6 passes in 1 game in his rookie year. He COMPLETED 2 passes.
Pat White threw 5 passes in his rookie year and had 0 (ZERO) completions.
White was a great QB for West Virginia but he wasn’t playing at the NFL level then. Pat White was envisioned to be something that he showed last year he is unlikely to be and that a Kordell (Slash) Stewart kind of guy. The difference is that Slash was 6-1, 218 which is a good height/weight for a WR, a QB, and a power RB. White is 6-0, 190 which is good for a RB but disadvantageous at WR and QB. It doesn’t mean White can’t play those positions but in the makeup of the current league he will have to work harder and be better to make up for the difference in measurables. White showed that he is not ready to be a starter and no team (EVEN OAKLAND) would consider trading anything for Pat White at this juncture because he is a project and (unlike MLB) you don’t trade for projects in the NFL when you can draft them instead for free.
And Pat White as a starter does elicit giggles because 1.) Pat White was never intended to be a starter and 2.) Please see game footage from last season.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 24, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He coud've compleated 3 of those passes but 2 would have sent WR's to the hospital
Oh the third one we wood’of lost bess for his career so there is ryme & reason to everything!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 24, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Part of being a good QB is not leaving your WR for dead on a pass.
Remember how guilt-ridden Kurt Warner was when he led his WR (I think it was Boldin) on a high pass where a Jest player laid him out in the closing minutes of a game Arizona had long since lost in the Meadowlands? This was two seasons ago and Warner said he might retire after that game because of how wracked with guilt he was over that pass. So really your point (good though it is) only reinforces the reality that Pat White is not ready to be a starting QB since his read and recognition skills will, at best, complete a pass or two and see just as many WR sent to injured reserve.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 24, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this theory...
Designed for the Bills to take White as a QB or a RB? The way im reading this post is the Bills want a change of pace back. I guess I can see White as a change of pace RB, similiar to Darren Sproles. He definetely has the speed to excel as the RB and he knew what to do with the ball when he was in college. I dont see why he couldnt be a PR/KR/RB.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 23, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
We still dont trade in the division.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 23, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I aint talking about trading...
I wouldnt mind seeing him as a PR/KR/RB for the phins. He aint cutting it as a QB. Not saying he wont ever be able to but he was drafted for the wildcat. The wildcat was a gimmick offense because we could not move the ball well during the first 2 games of 2008. White does have a QB spot on the phins roster in my opinion so we might as well see how else he can contribute for us.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 23, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
A gimmick?
What?
Did you watch the same season I did last year?
The Dolphins gimmicked the ball right down the Jets’ defense!
A gimmick? Yeah, a gimmick most teams haven’t figured out how to defend well yet…
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Superbowl teams use a gimmick offense to beat their opponents? Dont get me wrong, I love watching Ronnie getting the direct snap and shoving the balls downs our opponents throats but you cant deny why we used the wildcat. Pennington didnt have a strong arm and we had a lot of young and inexperienced players. We put our best players on the field (ie Brown and Williams) to fool offenses so that we could move the ball. Do you honestly believe White was drafted to be a reliable back up to Henne? Hes here because they wanted to experiment with a player that could excel at a part of ur offense that was used in maybe 2% of our offensive plays lasy year. He needs to find his niche as a WR or RB or return man.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you the best reason of why he's not a RB.
The very last play he had last season is exactly why he’s not a RB.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
And if Darren Sproles got hit like that....
You think he wouldnt have been knocked out as well?
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 24, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i honestly dont
look at darren sproles build and look at white’s. totally different
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 24, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They are built differently...
But Sproles is the most comparable RB to White in my opinion. Just because someone gets a good hit off on someone and knocks them out, it doesnt mean they cant play the position. What about when Ryan Clark knocked MaGahee out and he was motionless on the floor for 10 minutes before being carted off? Should the Ravens have questioned his ability to be a RB?
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 24, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Clark knocked himself out too,
which is what happens on really hard helmet to helmet shots, CB I Taylor wasn’t fazed at all by the hit on P White, and that was an almost identical hit they EACH took, one guy is unfazed and the other guy is in la la land, its just like Dierdorf says right there, helmet to helmet is something a RB has to deal with, and it happens all the time.
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by uncle finster on Mar 25, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
they have the same kind of head
which is where White got hit. He didn’t get knocked out because he’s small, he got knocked out because he took a head to head shot from a guy running full-speed. Stop with this shit.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 24, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my point...
He didnt get knocked out because hes small… Taylor just got a huge hit on White, which happened to be the same way MaGahee was hit. You gety hit like that, no matter the size, your most likely gonna go down like they both did.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
put any player in the league, ANY PLAYER, in that position (falling forward, head first into a sprinting player) and they get knocked out. I don’t care how big you are, how many muscles you have, you’re head doesn’t get stronger.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
But the difference between a RB and a QB is how they get hit.
RBs know how to position themselves better to absorb hits. QBs do not. Sproles wouldn’t have put himself into a position to take the kind of hit White put himself into. That’s why White is not, and will not be a RB.
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So I stopped thinking.
White tripped
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 25, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I guess his clumsy ass should stay in the pocket.
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So I stopped thinking.
THANK YOU!!! The first to see what I was aiming for.
This is set up to be as a change of pace back. I agree that he could be a PR/KR also.
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
I think we learned about giving players to division rivals...
I think we all know the name……Um what is it…..Wes? Wes ahh Wes WELKER!! I don’t care if PW hasnt showed anything yet. We havent put him in the best situations either…he stays or goes to the NFC. Period.
Well we did not give him to NE. We were basically forced to because of the poison pill in the contract that they offered him.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 23, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We weren't forced.
At the time of the trade, our FO actually thought they got the better of the deal by prying an extra pick from the Pats for him. The FO actually didn’t think very highly of Welker, which is why they let him go in the first place.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Yes, We gad a very dumb FO then.
Between Welker and Gadsden, they underutilised two gems at WR.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 24, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No the FO let Welker go because their was a poison pill in the contract that the Pats
offered him that forced them to let him go.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 24, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You keep mentioning a poison pill, but it's really just about not overpaying.
Welker was a restricted FA, tendered with a second round offer. NE threw in the seventh round pick for two reasons. One: So they wouldn’t take the risk that we might match their offer. Two: So that they wouldn’t end up overpaying him. NE needed to keep his price low because that was the year they went on a FA bonanza. NE was simply bluffing with any mention of a poison pill, because there was no way they could afford to pay him more than we could have matched.
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So I stopped thinking.
Its not a bluff. It was a part of the offer that they signed him to.
This is a fact not some level of fantasy!
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by texascowpunk on Mar 25, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
5 years for $18.1 Mil is hardly a poison pill.
The offer that contained the so called poison pill, is not the contract Welker eventually signed with the Pats. The whole poison pill contract theory is pure speculation by the Boston Herald anyways. We had enough cap room (Joey Porter for 5 year, $32 mil) to match anything NE would reasonably throw Welker’s way.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
I was also reported by the Miami papers as well as many league insiders.
The issue was that Welker wanted to go to the Pats and could sign the offer sheet. The Pats called the Phins FO and said that they would add the poison pill but in an effort to avoid future bad blood that they wanted to make a trade. They basically had a gun to the Phins head. I do not think Miami wanted to trade him. Besides thats a totally different FO so in a lot of respects it might as well have been another team.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 25, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If Miami really didn't want to trade him.....
They would have spent the extra $500K and tendered him at the 1st round level. That would have surely soured anybodies taste for Welker. The Phins had all the leverage in this deal. They had two teams competing for Welker’s services, and knew that these teams didn’t want to get into a bidding war. So the Pats got proactive and called the Phins to offer a trade to avoid that. I guarantee you the Phins in response, called the Vikings and asked if they could offer something better. They didn’t, so the Pats got his services for a second and a seventh.
The bottom line is Welker was not going to become the player he is now, as long as he was on the Dolphins. That’s why they dealt him. I thought it was a great deal. Cause without Randy Moss, Wes Welker doesn’t catch 100+ balls per year.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
I think based on his production the tender was fair and I think they
were surprised that hey garnered so much attention. Is that the FO’s mistake/stupidity? Well sure but once again that group is so long gone. Hell the owner is not even the same any longer.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
They got a second and seventh round pick for a guy who hadn’t caught more than 67 passes in a year, never had more than 700 yards receiving, and only had one receiving TD in two years.
In comparison, Arizona and Oakland got less compensation for Randy Moss and Anquan Boldin. I don’t think it was a mistake on their part, it was actually probably the smartest move they made. Sure Welker has become a 100+ catch receiver per year, but as I said above without Randy I don’t think he does the same.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
I agree I just do not believe that they wanted to get rid of him.
I think those SOB’s in NE held a gun to their heads and forced a trade.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 26, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
But that doesn't make sense.
All it would have cost to keep him is $500K more, and he would have been tendered at a first round tender. He was a restricted FA, we had all the leverage. There’s no way NE would have given up a first round pick for Welker.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
I agree that they underestimated his value and tried to
save money but NE still had the gun to their heads by threatening the poison pill.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 29, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Your poison pill theory is irrelevant.
He was a RFA!! For $500K more they could have locked him up with a first round tender. Whatever NE was offering is irrelevant. The bottom line is if they really wanted to keep him, they would have made the first round tender, and nobody would have been willing to give up a first rounder for him.
The FO didn’t undervalue him. A 67 catch receiver for less than 700 yards isn’t even worth a second round pick. They chose to tender him at a level they thought was slightly higher than he was actually worth (3rd rounder). Yes, that does mean they would have liked to have kept him, but it also meant they viewed a 2nd round pick as more valuable.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Its not irrelevant. Sure they could have tendered
him higher but once they did not then the threat was very real. How is something that happened irrelevant?
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."-Hunter S. Thompson
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 29, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Because there was no threat.
They were more than happy to take a second round pick for him, cause they valued him as being worth less. So there was never any need for a poison pill. I think you overestimate how much they valued Welker.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Well the insiders for both sides claim there
was and as we all know in the NFL where theres smoke there is often times fire.
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."-Hunter S. Thompson
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 29, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions
And I'm sure I could find inside sources to say the opposite.
Inside sources are found to validify the side of the story that particular writer is trying to sell. Just as I’m sure I can find an insider who could tell me the Dolphins will or won’t draft CJ Spiller in the first round.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Thats a stretch to make a point but ok bro.
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."-Hunter S. Thompson
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there something im forgetting?
Or do we not also have 2 power backs, with the need of a complementary scat back?
Keep Pat, hes a proven winner and all it takes is some time in the system before he cashes in, look at our rivals and what Brian Schottenheimer was able to do with Brad Smith this year and Pat White has twice the talent that Brad Smith has
lmao @ pat white playing rb
replace chris tucker with ike taylor
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 23, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
I'm really glad most of you guys don't run this team
you don’t give up on a guy after his rookie year. Every rookie outside of the true SUPERSTARS struggle as a rookie. Especially QB’s that come from gimmick college offenses. Why we expected him to make a difference as a rookie is beyond me. The fact that the FO liked him enough to not only put him on the field in some key situations, but to play him full-time in the final game when Henne was hurt tells me they feel like he brings something to the table. If he sucked, do you think he sees the field at all? It’s getting ridiculous that 2 years ago, we had guys that didn’t belong on a CFL roster and Dolphins fans tried to talk them up as being decent, but now that we think we have a squad, anybody who isn’t amazing right outta the gate sucks…
Get real, seriously.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 24, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
Thats a lie! You know you wish I ran things because then I would hire you as the new
team chef.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 24, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
lol that's where the "most" comes in tex!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 24, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Right on. I tell you this JT would have been resigned a long time ago.
Oh and I hope your a good chef because I would hate to have to shit can a friend because he sucked.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm awesome
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Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok thats all I needed to hear. I hope you can cook things besides Italian.
I dig Italian but I have a vast number of types of food I love.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 24, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I can
don’t worry lol
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Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 24, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There's other food besides Italian...?
holy
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All kinds!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 25, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Naaaaugh, really..?!
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"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
Shit, I dont know. Maybe?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
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