Weekend Roundup: Incognito to visit Dolphins
by Matty I on Mar 15, 2010 12:15 AM EDT
in Miami Dolphins News
165 comments
Another week begins as we inch closer to the NFL Draft. But this past weekend was far more quiet than last weekend - when the Dolphins were wrapping up the signing of Karlos Dansby and the Ryan Clark saga was beginning to play out. But there's still a couple of things to talk about.
Dolphins to host "dirty" free agent lineman on Monday
While the Dolphins haven't hosted any free agents in days, they have generated quite a stir with the report that free agent guard Richie Incognito will be visiting the Dolphins on Monday. The 26 year old Incognito is a guy who has the talent and the measurables that this regime likes (6'3, 320). He also plays with the "mean streak" that Tony Sparano likes to see out of his offensive linemen.
However, it's that same "mean streak" that is creating the stir - and is why Incognito remains jobless to begin with. Why else would a physical, talented, young offensive lineman who has started every game (47) that he's played in still be on the market? Well it's simple - he's widely regarded as one of the dirtiest players in the league - finishing seventh in a Sports Illustrated poll of players and first in a Sporting News poll of players.
But it's not just these polls that have given Incognito such a bad name. The Rams released their former third round pick last season after committing two personal fouls in a single game (head-butting an opposing player) and then getting into a heated argument with their head coach. He was also fined $50,000 for his actions in that game and has a grand total of nearly $100,000 in league fines for dirty plays on the field.
With all that said, it's easy to see why the Dolphins have an interest in Richie. He plays hard - you can't argue that. He's versatile as well, having started at three different positions while in St. Louis. But what about Incognito's reputation?
"You can call me what you want. I’m a hard-nosed football player. I bring my ‘A’ game every Sunday," said Incognito to a Buffalo newspaper last year. Well you can't argue that.
Perhaps it's Rams GM Billy Devaney who sums up Richie best, saying, "There is the 90 to 95 percent of Richie that is outstanding. It’s the other 5 or 10 when the dark Richie kicks in and it becomes a problem."
So would he be worth the risk to the Dolphins? I think so. He'll be inexpensive. He'll work very hard. He'll likely come to Miami with a chip on his shoulder. And I think that the Dolphins have the kind of veteran leadership along the offensive line that can keep Incognito in line on the field.
Stupid personal fouls can kill drives. And the Dolphins aren't exactly an explosive offensive football team that can afford those kinds of mistakes. So there's some risk involved, for sure. But guys like Justin Smiley and Jake Grove, I believe, will be able to work with Incognito and help him mature.
Signing him would also eliminate a position the Dolphins need to address in the draft. Offensive line depth is something you can never have enough of and I did expect to see at least one interior lineman drafted at some point by the Dolphins. But bringing in Incognito and letting him battle with Donald Thomas and Nate Garner would allow the Dolphins to focus on their more pressing needs next month.
Will it be difficult to root for someone who can act like a turd on the field at a moment's notice? Without a doubt. But there's a lot of "cheap upside" that would make this move a low-risk, high-reward signing - assuming Monday's visit goes well. Of course, if Incognito head-butts Bill Parcells because he's unhappy with the pudding selection at the team's facility, this whole debate will be moot.
What Quinn's trade to Denver might mean to Dolphins
As I'm sure you all heard, the Browns traded QB Brady Quinn to the Broncos for RB Peyton Hillis and some throw-in draft picks. Other than the obvious link between the Dolphins and Quinn and what might have been (but as it turns out, neither Quinn or Ted Ginn were worthy of a top 10 pick that year), this move could benefit the Dolphins on draft day.
There's a growing belief now that Cleveland will be looking to get into the quarterback derby in next month's draft. They have Jake Delhomme now but they have no real long-term answer. Mike Holmgren should be looking to find his quarterback and the two top quarterbacks in this year's draft - Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen - will likely be on Cleveland's radar. Many mock drafts were predicting Cleveland to take a defensive player with their seventh overall pick.
But if the Browns do land a quarterback - whether by trading up or with the number seven pick - that would mean a potential Dolphins target could fall, creating a domino effect and potentially resulting in a top 10 pick falling to number twelve.
0 recs |
165 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
can you say
Conrad Dobler
"Never let the competition know what your thinking"
Feringi rule of acquisition #85
Finsters Avatars rule
I can
but I don’t know why lol
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the
“dirtiest players” ever he was accused of biting people
"Never let the competition know what your thinking"
Feringi rule of acquisition #85
Finsters Avatars rule
hahahahah awesome
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
also played on one the best NFL offensive lines of his time
the other guard on the line was Dan Diedorf
"Never let the competition know what your thinking"
Feringi rule of acquisition #85
Finsters Avatars rule
Dierdork?
lol
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
not much of a commentator
but one hell of a good lineman. Played for the St Louis Cardinals in the 60’s and 70’s.
"Never let the competition know what your thinking"
Feringi rule of acquisition #85
Finsters Avatars rule
so I hear
never got to see him, but I trust the HOF lol
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
this was before the rule change
lineman had to play without pushing wit their hands…the had to be held inside the frame of the body……does that make any sense……how do you hold your hands inside your body
"Never let the competition know what your thinking"
Feringi rule of acquisition #85
Finsters Avatars rule
lol I know about that
they looked funny as hell tryna block with elbows out.. like a crappy dance move lol
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It was also before the rule change...
… that a lineman had to eat before playing…. to prevent more biting….
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
hahahahaha
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't
Dan the tackle next to Dobler?
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Mar 15, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice
comparison, now he just needs to grow a Fu Manchu.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Mar 15, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Bring on Richie!
The more mean and nasty OL you have, the better IMO
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 12:21 AM EDT reply actions
kind of agree in this case
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Mar 15, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
NO
The New and Improved PC-Fox, with real working Emoticon Application.
"The Emotions are appropriate almost 50% of the time"
Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
Winner of the Pats Pulpit "Best Thread-Jacking" Award
Driver of the "LaGarrete Blountwagon"
first!
I wouldnt have a prob with getting richie, you can never have enough o lineman
Head Dude of the draft Jimmy Graham bandwagon, Riding shotgun on Nicky's Spiller Skybus, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club. No more stupid mock drafts please!
by jojo phin fan on Mar 15, 2010 12:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
epic fail at first
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Mar 15, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SO.....
So hoping a top 10 pick falls to us…. cmon BERRY! :)…… and I hope they do sign this guy, and hopefully he behaves… but if they are willing to sign a guy with these issues, then why not go and get Brandon Marshall?!!!
by Phins Fan on Mar 15, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL! MANCRUSH ALERT Beep Beep!
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
Incognito?
Heck no. The guy gives up so many yards from STUPID personal fouls.
"It didn't take the wildcat to beat the patriots... Just a wolverine."
Incognito was probably the ONLY good palyer on Rams.
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Attorney General of the Matty I Fan Club
Engineer of the Sign Dansby and JT Train!
by PhinsTifosi on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
everybody else seems to have forgot him
maybe he’s not as good as some people think. A good FS tendered with the value of “not a damn thing” and NOBODY bites? The entire NFL (including his own team) doesn’t think to highly of this guy, why do we?
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
We are fairly weak at FS. But I certainly see what you mean.
I’m not convinced it won’t happen ever either…we’ll see when this offseason/draft is complete. Always tough to grade offseason performance before the draft even happens.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Would You Want to Play For The Rams?
By the way I’ve read that Dallas is interested. His own team does Not want him? LOL.They will have to pay him $7million and are wanting to have someone else set his value. Why? Because they have new owners coming in and a #1 Draft pick to pay for. O.J. Atogwe we will have to wait for June 1st to become a UFA. He’s also recovering from Shoulder Surgery. Recovery time takes about 4-6 months. The Rams are playing high stakes poker with this guy. YOU NEVER NEGOCIATE FROM A POSITION OF WEAKNESS. Same situation with D. Sharper knee surgery.
Source Below
Rams FS O.J. Atogwe will reach unrestricted free agency on June 1 if the team does not sign him to a long-term deal, guarantee a 2010 contract of $7 million, or trade his rights.
The predicament has to do with Atogwe’s right of first refusal tender. Currently a restricted free agent, Atogwe can be signed to an offer sheet until April 15. If he fails to draw an offer, Atogwe can force the Rams’ hand on the $7 million guaranteed, knowing that the team will lose his rights by June.Source: Santa Rosa Press-Democrat
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
His own team doesn't want him
if they did, they would tender him with compensation, since those tenders determine the contract value. How would you feel if we tendered Ronnie with a “right to first refusal” aka “nothing”? I’d get the feeling we don’t want him. Dallas might be interested, but I haven’t heard about a visit or an offer sheet for the guy yet, and a FS that is as good as we all seem to think getting NO bites, when a team doesn’t even have to compensate STL to sign him, tells me that most of the league isn’t interested.
STL can negotiate long-term with him, which I haven’t heard anything about either. All I’m saying is this: If he was “better than Antrel” which is what I was hearing here after Rolle signed with NYG, he would be getting interest from multiple teams including his own. He’s not.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So, back to PhinsTifosi's statement....
Incognito was probably the ONLY good palyer on [the] Rams.
I never even heard of an Atogwe till just a few days ago. May not sound like much, but I tend to pay attention to the known, recognized, media played players… and Atogwe aint one…
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
well said
Steven Jackson was the best player on the Rams. Atogwe may not have been the best player on their defense…
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Love The Debate
This is like a Knife Fight In a Phone Booth. Your a smart kid Nicky. Read the quote and source I gave and you will see that Atogwe is Negociating for his $7 Mil or his release. Atogwe went to Stanford and he plays on a shitty team he’s not a fool. An your right if I was him I would be pissed to. No one want to Poison Pill a contract.
Here is the Dallas Source
Restricted free agent FS O.J. Atogwe is reportedly “on the Cowboys’ radar.”
It doesn’t say much for Ken Hamlin’s standing with the club. Atogwe offers superior playmaking ability while Hamlin remains a prime candidate for release with $6 million due this season.Source: Dallas Morning News
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 15, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I love this quote...
… like a Knife Fight In a Phone Booth
Describes me and my ex….
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
That how I grew up. Youngest of 5 sons.
My old has quote for everything and over the years I’ve had to devolop my own.
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 15, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
plenty of guys are "not happy with the team" until they get that big long-term deal shoved in their face
And the Dallas Morning News saying he’s on their radar, and Dallas actually scheduling a visit or putting an offer in are two different things. But I’m glad you think this is a knife fight in a phone booth, considering you still haven’t addressed why they tendered him so low, and why there aren’t numerous teams jumping at the chance to sign him without giving up compensation.. but you’re right, he’s still awesome.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He Can't Pass The Physical. Sharper Can't Pass A Physical either.
Atogwe was Franchise Tagged in 2009 with a 2 first round pick compensation. That’s the Highest Franchise Tag. Atogwe is rehabbing from his shoulder surgery in Dec. Like I said it takes 4-6 months rehab. Right of 1st Refusal is the exact tender that Seattle placed on Hutchenson in the infamous “Poison Pill” incident. The Rams know Atogwe is screwed. If he does get an reaonalbe offer the Rams can Justify the match to their New Owner. The Rams have to Pay O.J. Atogwe $7 million with no offer on the table. Based upon the 110% rule. No one will poison pill an offer to get this guy and no one wants to overpay this guy ALA (Antrel Rolle) until he can pass the physical. Once June 1st rolls around he is a Unrestricted Free Agent. If you were in this situation you would tell your agent wait till Apr. 15 which is when the offer from the Rams must be tendered. He just has to wait and not sign it and go to the highest bidder on June 1st. This years RFAs are not happy with no CBA. By the way S. Jackson and J. Laurinaitis are not F/A until 2014.
LAST FOUR YEARS AVERAGED STATs FOR ATOGWE
TKLs-77 SACKs-1/2 INTs-4.5 FFs-3.5
by FinFanFromCA on Mar 15, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
this would be a great signing...............
looks like this really could be the linebacker draft that everyone has been looking for……
i said weeks ago that we would have 4 new linebackers this offseason……
we have dansby…..now i believe there will be three more selected in the draft and probably within five rounds………….
Just one man's opinion...
....."running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles".....
"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009
No thanks
The advantage of landing Incognito is we can then focus on getting Pacman Jones… and once Vick bites his way out of the Eagles, well… you can see where we’re headed!
yay exaggeration!
Pacman shot a guy. Vick murdered dogs in some of the cruelest ways imaginable. Incognito headbutted a guy on the field (while wearing helmets) and yelled at his coach..
I have an idea.. let’s compare every player who ever got a flag, got a suspension, or got a fine to guys like Charles Manson and BTK.. Then, when we realize that football is a violent game and you want violent people to play it violently on the field, we can get over this misguided need to fill our team with nerds and boy scouts and still expect to win…
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you...
… we could draft from the finest prisons then…
Somehow, I find this Incognito guy the type I want on the field backing my ass up…!
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
ditto
he’s angry, he’s mean, and he’s nuts. Tell me again how that’s a bad thing for an OL?
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn you just
mentioned everyone on the Phinsider…
CP10 and P.Cobbs get well soon
Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions
"I likem me some UDFAs"
rofl
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 15, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i used to love watching kyle turley
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 15, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
World class helmet tosser!
"michael, I did nothing,...... I did absolutely nothing,.... and it was everything I thought it could be" -Peter Gibbons-
Unofficial "Avatar Creator"
former Goof Trooper and proud recipient of the Matty JLRBotY award 2010
BandWaken Got me this Matty BLB award 2010
by uncle finster on Mar 16, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
... and guitar player..?
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
don't feel I am
Incognito is a major turd and there’s a reason why nobody wants him
it doesn't appear that nobody wants him...
he’s visiting Miami today… so we want him, unless we just feel like he deserves a nice dinner but no contract..
exaggerating again, I see..
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
"Rough up my QB again and I won't just head butt you..I'll knock ur FCKn teeth out!"
THATS the kind of “turd” that gives an OL the “don’t mess” attitude,is still holding blocks 15 yards downfield and the kind I want on my team!
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 15, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No more exaggerations, then
You know, head cases with talent like this guy are an easy sell to fans. Even Vick was welcomed pretty easily into the Eagles and the NFL. But the guys that actually have to deal with the problem tend to be smarter and more cautious… then again, there’s always the one team that takes a chance and gets burned, isn’t there. Burned as in “the investment didn’t pan out, no biggie” in the best case or “the move backfired big time on and/or off the field” in the worst. With the talent this guy has, to only be courted by one team, and at this stage in FA, when his own team could have held on to him pretty easily, ought to tell us fans something.
You can keep on denying it if you want, but this “oh what a great attitude for an OL” is a point of view that doesn’t seem to be shared by many NFL personnel people at all. And for good reason. It’s more an idealization of the perfect OL than a reflection of reality.
Grove, Incognito and Smiley tearing up the DTs?
shiiiiit
"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die."
Karlos Dansby SR-71 Blackbird pilot! - Win
Vince Wilfork Tank Driver - Fail
all white guys......lol
"Never let the competition know what your thinking"
Feringi rule of acquisition #85
Finsters Avatars rule
all of em look like serial killers lol
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was Richard Pryor
that once talked about going into the basement of all the homes in Alabama and unchaining all the white guys there and setting them loose on our enemies…..we would never lose a war
"Never let the competition know what your thinking"
Feringi rule of acquisition #85
Finsters Avatars rule
A player is only dirty when he plays for another team
If he is on your team, he is a tough, takes no shit kind of guy. Is he going to take dumb penalties? Yep. But is he going to give the OL an edge? Yep. The good outweighs the bad, IMO, so sign him.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
hypocritical much?
Dirty players get you penalties and headaches, yet the FO stays away from “Diva Receivers”?! Sorry, i totally support them, and they have done a good job, but how can you not say it isn’t hypocritical for them to bring in a dirty player because he plays o-line but not a receiver who thinks highly of himself?! TO will get fines by his antics but he doesn’t cost his team yards, this guy will….
I still think we should go Earl Thomas (depends if berry falls to us or not).
ps i don’t want TO i just don’t know what the FO is thinking
i think theres a difference between diva recievers and beating up woman and being involved in a gang shooting.
im just assuming your reffering to brandon marshal. im sure if brandon acted more like a andre johnson or fitzgerald they would take him in a heartbeat. but marshal cant help us win games if hes in prison. plus a guy like incognito is very low low risk/high reward. a guy like marshal is high risk because we’d have to give up our first round pick and pay him a ton a cash. thats really the difference. even with that said i think we should take a chance on marshal. pats took a chance on moss and look how that worked
but i do agree i think we need to get earl thomas or get lucky and get berry.
there was a big difference
When the patriots got Moss they already had a defense for Miami to throw away it’s first round pick with no Starting OLBS and no starting FS and no real starting NT would doom this team to another losing season. Sure up the defense this year and next season you can chase your prima donna Wr . With a strong O-line and our Rbs we have the tools to run a solid ball control offense they have proven they can score an average of 24.5 points a game with our current receivers build a top ten rated defense and the chances are we will win more games than we lose.
THIS ^^^^^
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Attorney General of the Matty I Fan Club
Engineer of the Sign Dansby and JT Train!
by PhinsTifosi on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
true
im not chasing marshal. im just saying it would be nice to actually have some sort of explosive force on our slow offense. but a NT is probably the most important position in a 3-4 D. so dan williams is probably the pick. and im fine with that, it would be a good pick. im just saying i wouldnt hate taking a chance on marshal. but if they dont take him oh well. if we could work out some sort of trade involving a 2nd round and camarillo or something. keep or 1st and take dan williams. get that FS otawga (im not sure how to spell his name) from the rams. then fill up OLB and TE in the 3rd and 4th. thats my dream offseason. probably wont happen. but one can dream
Diva Receivers tear teams apart
If you want to use TO as an example how many teams has his crap torn apart the Eagles and Cowboys will tell you just how bad these guys are for a team. Parcells and Sporano were both in Dallas with TO and they are not about to bring a cancer like that to their team.
Dirty linemen will get a few penalties no doubt but the ferocity with which they play opens holes and intimidates opponents. It also causes their opponents to retaliate which gets you penalty yards. and since he wont get half the money a Diva WR will if he becomes a problem you bench or cut him without losing a lot.
well said and truth
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
I can see how somebody would think it's hypocritical.
But the risks aren’t the same here. If you bring in a risk like Marshall, you’re giving up a top daft pick AND boatloads of money.
oh oh oh....
yeah and 100 catches for 1500 yards and banana tds
risk reward….this regime is starting to gimem the feeling they are ok drafting 10 years and winning a super bowl in 2020
Phinsider Hall of Fame Class of 09' / 2-Time 09' Matty Award Winner
and here we dont have to give boatloads of money and we get a nutjob!
Brilliant!
2009 NY Phin PhansFantasy League Champion
2009 Best Regular Season Record in NYPPL.
2010 The Jim Mandich NewsFlash Award Winner.
by Patssuck456 on Mar 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Dude at Finsnation sums this up nicely in his usual colorful way!
So apparently, the Dolphins refuse to even consider a guy like Brandon Marshall (or Dez Bryant?) but have no qualms about bringing in a Godzilla-sized dick like Richie Incognito. But they have a pressing need at right guard! Yes, but they have an equally — some might even say greater — need at wide receiver! Don’t they understand this?! The fuck is going on?! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!!
As usual, I agree with The Dude on this one.
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Sparano was an OL coach wasn't he?
I think he feels he might be able to keep him in check along with his staff…I guess we shall see how things go tomorrow.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Mar 15, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions
its not all about ginn, beck was a terrible pick as well
the beck pick stemmed from not taking quinnn
official creator of the "D-train" Demaryius Thomas draft bandwagon
officially on the mcclain draft bandwagon
the lousaka monster should be a pro bowler
"We liked a couple of those receivers up there, but we didn't feel there was a guy that was going to come in and make more of a contribution than a linebacker." — Dave Wannstedt, on why he chose Eddie Moore over Anquan Boldin in the 2003 draft
by ronnie brown for president on Mar 15, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah.
We took Beck then Satele 1 pick after Kalil. What a horrible draft, LOL
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
it was Horrific
Matty and myself along with a few others thought Beck was our future. LMAO Now!!!
it was rough back then but we actually see the light at the end of the tunnel.
God Bless Dolphin Nation
GBDN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
here we come in Bill we trust!
3 year plan after the draft GAME ON… no excusses lets do this..
GO FISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With the 12 pick of the 2010 NFL Draft Miami picks Dan Williams NT Tennesse.
Oh yeah another Matty man-crush LOL! John Beck LOL!!
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
LOL.... just like the Sniper...
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
Get this done!
"michael, I did nothing,...... I did absolutely nothing,.... and it was everything I thought it could be" -Peter Gibbons-
Unofficial "Avatar Creator"
former Goof Trooper and proud recipient of the Matty JLRBotY award 2010
BandWaken Got me this Matty BLB award 2010
I am 110% for this guy
"Welcome to The Doghouse"
"The more people I meet the more I like my dog."
Winner of The Davone Bess Little Guy Award, 2010
Dmart is right
This is an example of the FO bias… they would sign richie but skip DIVA WR’s ? its just stupid and shows their bias. COUNT ON THIS GETTING DONE – JUST OUR FRON OFFICE – and thier system….. Now personally – I WANT RICHIE ! HE IS A PRETTY GOOD PLAYER… and we do need more help at the G position. Smiley is injured too much, Thomas and Nate are NOT better than Richie… I would also pull the trigger on a big play WR (DIVA OR NOT) At worst, richie becomes great depth, as long as his contract is reasonable.
For those of you who drank the JOHN BECK “coolaid” shame on you …. have a brain… I NEVER believed he would make it… and was angry from day 1 ! I’ll admit that i would have taken QUINN at #9 – but NEVER would have taken BECK or Satelle in the next 2 picks. I still think Quinn was thrown to the wolves in Cleveland – might still reserect his career with a good QB coach.
40 Year FIN FAN
DRAFT a #1 WR now.........
the difference
a diva receiver can kill the whole locker room
a overagressive lineman will get a flag and a fine
how many rings got PIT in the last years WITHOUT a ttrue no. 1 receiver????
by Crowder 911 on Mar 15, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Ward was there for the first one though.
The only wisdom is the knowledge that you don't know.
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!
I am actually very interested in the response to this.
what Bias, if any, is being displayed IF they sign some one like Incognito? Furthermore how have they shown this same ‘Bias’ in the past? please explain and show examples to enlighten my curiosity.
eh not likely....
but why should he care … he has made a boat load already on commercials….
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
>>> GOOD MOVE <<<
that dude is young, freakish nature, already experienced and fills a big void
tell me? whats wrong about an OL being a bad mofo…???
i felt that our OL is already one of the most physical – with the aquisition of Incognito heads would be rolling. keep in mind he and Groves would play side by side lol
I loved the story about the Saints interior Line – where they had a competition going on – who can get more pancakes and during game they had their lord of the rings moment where they motivated each other by telling nbrs and trash talking to each other c’mon son you can do better than that – thats what we need
Incognigto might have done some stupid stuff but he seems to be a gym rat and workout warrior – that dude benchpressed 500 pds, Groves benched 500 pds.
I like Smiley but i doubt that he will be a longterm solution… so
LONG – INCOGNITO – GROVES – THOMAS/GARNER – CAREY
sounds like the Miami MeanMachine :)
I agree....
You bring him in and teach him how to hold his temper…. Its only a penalty in the trenches if you get caught btw… this guy just needs to learn how to not get caught imo….
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 16, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
alllll day
With that front line…..a healthy ronnie
and fasano who are both above average blockers, Henne is gonna come out in sandals, shorts and a hawaiian shirt…..he’ll have all day back there (those guys are so big not even the wind will hit em)
by KingPhin on Mar 15, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
sooo
white guy kicked off college teams …criminal history of assault….dirty player…OK
black guy…assault….bad attitude history…not ok….
Gotcha.
Phinsider Hall of Fame Class of 09' / 2-Time 09' Matty Award Winner
and they arent even....not by what u pay for them...or what they will give u...thats the point
Phinsider Hall of Fame Class of 09' / 2-Time 09' Matty Award Winner
Nicely Done Rzayo!
Let's get offensive this offseason!
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Wikipedia has him listed as a Dolphin already
is this true?! Talk about jumping the gun.
That's Ben Rapistberger you're thinking of.....
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
the only thing better than speed is violence!!!
Thats right!! generally the more violent team wins on sunday. this guy fits the mold.
The U used to do it
The U used to beat everyone by the motto if we can’t beat you we are going to beat you. They would tear up a locker room if they lossed but they kicked the crap out of the teams for years. Not looking for that but sometimes you need a little violence to instill some fear up front.
Draft Earl Thomas Bandwagon!
Let's bring in some nasty. I'm for it.
Official driver of the draft Major Wright winnebago.
by NavajoShamanSchoolAlum on Mar 15, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
The tid-bits...
Will it be difficult to root for someone who can act like a turd on the field at a moment’s notice?
LMFAO!!!!!!
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
I don't want him.
We are a classy team; we don’t need this asshole to ruin that.
Driver of the Keep The Ginnja Bandwagon
Driver of the Make David Lee OC Bandwagon
Repentant Former Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
Dolphins have excellent leaders on their team
Get this guy in here and unleash the monster. He was a loose cannon in St. Louis because they have a crappy team culture. Who is a solid leader on that team? Jake Grove was labeled dirty in Oakland and he was pretty solid for us last year. Parcells ain’t afraid.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Also, I am a huge fan of Adrian Zmed! Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock!
whoever he is about to yell at.
just shit his pants..
Parcells is a 2 pants screamer
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha 2 pants screamer
"michael, I did nothing,...... I did absolutely nothing,.... and it was everything I thought it could be" -Peter Gibbons-
Unofficial "Avatar Creator"
former Goof Trooper and proud recipient of the Matty JLRBotY award 2010
BandWaken Got me this Matty BLB award 2010
by uncle finster on Mar 16, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He may be an axe-murderer
But he’s our axe-murderer, and that makes me feel a little safer s.
... now there's some thinking goin on!
Besides, I love the name…. “Incognito”. Nito for short. Sounds Alien-esk!
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
lol it's a good name
ironic too lol
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Very ironic. The guy throwing punches is Incognito! Well, he's not doing a very good job of it.
Hey. How did this story break if he was Incognito?
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 15, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
LN21 and MHTD - Goin Commando
Piloting the Lead Chopper in the CJ "the Thriller" Spiller SpillWagon Helicopter Fleet
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
we will have to change his name to IncogNitRo
and watch him go ka-BOOM on Rex Ryan!
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Could we just enter him in the t-bone steak eating contest
And point him at Rex Ryan? I reckon he’d be done with Ryan in about 2 minutes and then start in on dessert!
i don't think Ryan has much meat to him....
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you underestimate Ryan. Not as a coach, but as an eating machine.
You don’t want to get between Ryan and food. No one HAS EVER gotten between Ryan and food.
Can’t you tell?
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 15, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And survived
pwned
The only wisdom is the knowledge that you don't know.
And, as always, screw the JETS!!!!!!!!
Wisdom is what you gain when you lack common sense yet survive.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 17, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent Insurance, Excellent Price
Incognito has massive talent (especially in the run game) and his “extracurriculars” are going to keep his cost down. If we sign him, guaranteed he takes control of the RG spot and gives Miami the best line in the league (if everyone stays healthy) and gives them amazing depth with Thomas and Garner headlining the backups with starter material.
Makes you wonder if Miami will now turn its attention to Spiller as a way to say a big FU to the pundits who say you must pass in this league and give them a three-headed attack between Brown-Williams-Spiller.
Maybe Miami wrangles Marshall for a 2nd round pick and a package (Ted Ginn Jr?) or decides to roll the dice with its 2011 1st round pick. The guy does have problems, but I’d have to agree with Zach Thomas on this one: Pay him the money and that’s all the respect he’ll need. Just think about what Miami could do if it added both Spiller and Marshall (and maybe Hurricane TE Graham). There is potential there and it’s worth the “headache”.
by raysfaninminnesota on Mar 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
Ah... some salt of sanity in the wound...
Makes you wonder if Miami will now turn its attention to Spiller as a way to say a big FU to the pundits who say you must pass in this league and give them a three-headed attack between Brown-Williams-Spiller.
This quote may irritate many, but it’s damn right on!!
I like what you think in your last paragraph, but it’s a long shot at best. Marshall is not the end-all…
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
The question is whether Spiller is an All-Pro Back
He can’t be “average” at the #12 spot. He has to be a guy you game plan for. When you think of a team, he has to be one of the first people that haunts a D-Coordinator’s dreams. Is he Chris Johnson or Darren Sproles? Is he at least Reggie Bush? I still think Miami finds a way to roll the dice on Marshall and draft Spiller. Getting a player like Marshall allows you to draft a guy like Spiller and gives you two “chunk yardage” guys.
by raysfaninminnesota on Mar 15, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
so you plan to do without a defense?
You know, little things like Nose Tackles, Safeties, OLBs…. I suppose your theory of every day in the draft is Christmas has a certain appeal, but the Fins are not at a point to basically use their top three picks on offense. I’d say that we are two good drafts from being a formidable team, and that we need to make the defense shut-down lights-out good first. I could see the merits of gambling on Marshall for maybe a third round pick, but no more. That still leaves you needing a nose tackle, safety and OLB.
well there are other picks in the draft
I still agree that D is another way to go. Spiller and Marshall significantly upgrades the offense. But Spiller is a luxury pick. The only way that makes sense is if he is going to be a Pro Bowl back. But guys like Shawn Merriman and Patrick Willis have been selected with a #12 pick or right around there. If Miami can find a guy like that (Brandon Graham anyone?) and maybe a NT like Thomas in the 2nd and they are well on their way to rebuilding that defense.
by raysfaninminnesota on Mar 15, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, I was quoting raysfan...?
I know you’re in Cali but that was waaaay out there….
How did you figure?
LOL!!
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
yea, and can you say that here
"michael, I did nothing,...... I did absolutely nothing,.... and it was everything I thought it could be" -Peter Gibbons-
Unofficial "Avatar Creator"
former Goof Trooper and proud recipient of the Matty JLRBotY award 2010
BandWaken Got me this Matty BLB award 2010
by uncle finster on Mar 16, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
... what the hell....
… I’m game….
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
Oh.... I thought he just wanted to get nasty....
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
So this is what they call "coming out", interesting.
⁄€:>D
"michael, I did nothing,...... I did absolutely nothing,.... and it was everything I thought it could be" -Peter Gibbons-
Unofficial "Avatar Creator"
former Goof Trooper and proud recipient of the Matty JLRBotY award 2010
BandWaken Got me this Matty BLB award 2010
by uncle finster on Mar 16, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
did i here the creeking of a closet door?
by wild zion beaver on Mar 16, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
... wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait....
… what?
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
hhahahaha
"michael, I did nothing,...... I did absolutely nothing,.... and it was everything I thought it could be" -Peter Gibbons-
Unofficial "Avatar Creator"
former Goof Trooper and proud recipient of the Matty JLRBotY award 2010
BandWaken Got me this Matty BLB award 2010
by uncle finster on Mar 16, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE SAYING THE FO IS HYPOCRITICAL
richie incognito head butts OPPOSING players while guys like TO throw their own TEAMMATES under the bus. theres a difference. incognito is nasty to the OPPONENT which is good. sometimes he takes it too far, but with the veterans we have surrounding him, an offensive line coach as our HEAD coach, we can definitely make him use his passion productively.
on the other hand with a diva receiver who always wants the ball and calls out teammates… it can divide a locker room and destroy team chemistry.
i myself am not against getting a productive receiver (diva or not) but i understand the reasoning the front office is using.
and an early apology if someone already written this. i got angry at the hypocrites accusing the front office of being hypocrites so havent read all the comments yet.
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 15, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
good point
Everybody wants Marshall but he’s a guy who decides to throw hissy fits and bat down balls in practice during drills instead of catching them because he wants more money.
That’s why the Incognito situation and the Marshall situation are completely different.
just as long as he doesn't pull hair...
that’s sissy.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 15, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
takes one to know one
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Mar 15, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure how to feel about this
the unknown man has some talent… that part is clear…
he also has enemies – IIRC – he was hated so much by the rams that his own teammates called him out??? (which if my memory is correct on this point is initself a violation of the nfl code) but one thing is certain he wascalled out by other players…
to follow up that point – the bills with maybe the least o-line talent in the league just let him walk away without any tender or effort to bring him back… which follows his release by another team devoid of offensive line talent…
so the red flag should be flying here!!! after all they just dumped one cancer in porter do they really need to add a locker room one — even if he goes unseen his presence is felt.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
WARNING WARNING!
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no idea
i must be lost in space.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 15, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol; leader of the free world no's them all!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 15, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
I am Archer... leader of the Gorganites!
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Official draft Koa Misi bus -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
Question ... I think I read that this guy has played on the whole line...
Why are we guessing that he is the answer to RG? I was thinking about this today… Jake Long isn’t really mean off the field, but he plays with a mean streak. Then you have Smiley(mean looking white guy), Grove(mean looking white guy), Donald Thomas(mean looking black guy), and Vernon Carey. I don’t think I have ever seen Carey looking mean….. I know he has his moments, but I have seen him take a lot of plays off….. If we kept him around and moved Incognito over to RG if Donald Thomas went down we would be better off I think…
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
The case for a lap dance, a great steak and a dirty OL..MUST READ
Even though my wife can still fit into her HS cherleader outfit, is a great mother to our children, and look hot as heck at a black tie event , I LOVE going to Cheetahs and getting a lap dances from some marginally retarded young tight hotties who can’t think and chew gum at the same time.
Even Though I really like getting the Filet Mignon at a Prime Steakhouse, I still LOVE eating a good greasy cheeseburger from the local dive.
Even though I like all our players to think teamwork and play undercontrol at all times, I LOVE the thought of having a nasty lineman thats willing chomp down on someones nuts in an effort to recover a fumble in a pileup.
Sign Incognito. LOw risk High reward.
"Expect nothing. Blame no one. Do Something!"-Bill parcells
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Preseason Confidential: Forsett and Seahawks still have concerns
- This is why we don't wear huge diamond earrings to practice
- The Shutdown Eleven: The most interesting footballers of 2010. #10: LaDainian Tomlinson
- Reports: Cardinals now want to trade Leinart; Giants interested
- Louis Delmas thinks kids are wonderful. As tackling dummies.
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
