Brady Quinn to Denver

by Valentine14 on Mar 14, 2010 6:17 PM EDT Comment 52 comments

Cleveland traded Quinn to Denver (pending passing of physical) in exchange for a fullback and 2011 draft pick. I don't think he got a fair deal in Cleveland. I'm sure he's a talented young man and wish him well. Denver had wanted him (reportedly) ever since trading Cutler. I saw this article on a Miami Herald website. I'm sure it's floating around out there on other sites by now. Your thoughts?

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i admit

i was one of the people who wanted us to draft quinn instead of ginn.
if we did get him, he couldnt have done any worse than beck.
2nd round pick instead of beck could have been used on players more productive than ginn… for example(some players picked after beck): sidney rice, lamar woodley, steve smith(giants), mike sims walker
but … no crying over spilled milk (wipes away tears)

good pick up for denver…
on the other hand the browns… at least they have seneca wallace?

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 14, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions

Browns are merely adding depth and vets

to their eventual selection of Bradford/Claussen.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 14, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions

if they can..

Bradford/Clausen should both be gone by 4 unless STL or Washington both fuck up

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I've read that Cleveland may move up

And do you really believe both franchises will select quarterbacks? Two in the first four picks? Eh, I dunno man..

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 14, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions

If they are smart

they will. You can’t win without a QB in the NFL. Of the top 4 teams, St. Louis has no QB, so anybody not named Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford is a bad pick (and it should be Clausen). Detroit has Stafford, last year’s 1st overall pick, and Tampa has Josh Freeman, last year’s 1st rounder, so neither of them will take a QB high again this year. Washington has a whole new regime in place, and Campbell hasn’t proven to be anything close to a franchise QB, so if they don’t take whoever STL passes on, they missed too IMO. Then again, both teams are bad at drafting, so Clausen or Bradford could drop out of the top 5. If that happens, I can’t possibly see Pete Carroll going into year 1 in Seattle without a new QB, and getting one of the top 2 at pick 6 would be a good start to his tenure. Cleveland will have to jump to 2 or 3 IMO to get one of the QB’s, unless STL or WAS pass, then they would only have to jump Seattle.

Either way, I don’t think Clausen or Bradford make it to pick 7.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not doubting that

But both going within the first four would surprise me a bit, solely because the talent at other positions is greater and I don’t recall the last draft that saw such a “run” on quarterbacks who don’t really deserve top five status.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 14, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Clausen deserves #1 overall status

he just completed maybe the best Junior season for a QB in a pro-offense ever, and he’s not being talked about at all because all the hype is for weak-armed, fragile, super spread QB Bradford. I personally think Bradford will be a bust, but he was good enough in college to warrant top 5 status, even if he doesn’t project well to a pro style offense. I also have only 6 guys with Top 5 grades (the QB’s, the DT’s, Berry and Okung).

And teams, for some reason or another, think that QB’s are more bust-prone than other positions, when that isn’t the case. So there are years where there SHOULD be a run on QB’s in the top 10, and teams talk themselves into less-important positions because they worry about a bust, even though busts happen almost equally among most positions. Read an article about how often QB’s bust compared to DT’s (trying to prove or disprove the notion that one of the DT prospects this year are safer picks than the QB’s) and it showed that since 1993, QB’s hit more often in round 1 and busted less than DT’s picked in round 1.

It also showed that teams that landed a QB in round 1 did better record-wise, and made the playoffs more often than teams that hit on DT’s in the first. Here’s a link to the article if you want to read it

So, I guess it really comes down to your opinion of the two QB’s, but I have both of them graded top 5, even though I’m wary of putting Bradford so high. And I think it’s a mistake to pass on a franchise QB when you don’t have one, no matter who you get.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

All valid points

But, do you draft a potential franchise quarterbacks (stats backing it up or not) ahead of a top prospect is my question. Yes, QB is the most important position. But, do you really agree that Claussen is better as a QB prospect that the rarity of how strong a prospect Suh/McCoy/Berry/Okung is? Do you think getting an eventual top 15 NFL quarterback is better than having a dominant defensive tackle or safety? Honest question.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 14, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I do

I think it’s almost impossible to win without a good-to-great QB, so I would take a top-rated QB over a top-rated anything if I didn’t have one. The only way I think you can win with a mediocre QB is with a GREAT defense and GREAT running game, which are both much harder to build than finding a franchise QB IMO, since that requires landing studs on multiple draft picks year after year, as well as picking up big time FA’s. Landing a Franchise QB only really requires good scouting and a little luck with 1 draft pick, but the impact on the team is much higher.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I guess

However, I’d rather have the top-rated something else because that means I have a top-rated QB ;) Just kidding haha. I understand your point.

However, sometimes, even if you get lucky and land a Matt Ryan, does not necessarily mean you will build a great team around him anyway.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 14, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions

of course lol

but if you get lucky and land a Matt Ryan, you have a better chance of building a winner than if you have Suh AND Berry.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions

You lie.

Suh and Berry would make you well on your way to best defense in the league if you’re smart. Even with a franchise QB, you can’t do squaddoosh without an offensive line/skill positions.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 14, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

If you land Matt Ryan with the third pick overall,

You might just land a Chad Henne in the late second round

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by el presidente 00 on Mar 14, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

odds are

you don’t. Outside of Henne and Brees, I don’t think there is another starting QB in the NFL picked in the 2nd round, and only a few were picked outside of round 1 I believe.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Tony Romo, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Kyle Orton, David Garrard, Chad Henne, Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck. Those are just the moderately successful starters.

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by Farorefox on Mar 14, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Tony Romo was the only undrafted (he certainly lives up to his stock too)

by Farorefox on Mar 14, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

that counts as a few

it’ll be one less when Hasselbeck is gone in a year or two, and Tebow is starting over Garrard in JAX ;-)

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions

please you can do that every after every draft

o we couldve had this player or that…man stop cryin

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

wow

i was merely pointing out that if that camcam had picked quinn like 99% of the football world that we would… then we would not have had to draft beck and would have been able to get another player and maybe not have holes at olb and wr to fill this year.
typical ginn lover…

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 14, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Typical Ginn Lover? did i even use the words Ted or Ginn

And whose to say cam wouldve picked a better player after all we had two second round picks that year and he used the second one on samson satele…then you couldve made the same point that we couldve gotten a better player but the truth is you can say that every year..o we couldve picked him or him blah blah blah and you must really love ginn if you cant keep his name out your mouth

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

i get u… thats y i wrote no crying over spilled milk…
but i still have the right to analyze what couldve been so as to learn from mistakes and not make them again.
and i wrote ted ginn lover because whenever someone writes the name ted ginn in a comment/post you immediately get offended and attack the person.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 14, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

true you got the right to anaylze in reality we all do it and think of what couldve been

and i was replying to your whole comment not the words ted ginn so i think you got it twisted there but the the most part i get where your comin from

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

you cant be any older

then 17 and probaly 16, what a child

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by Blaze453 on Mar 14, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions

bra who are you talking to?

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions

dont fuckin talk to me nobody if fuckin talking to you keep your ass out

it was a convo between me and davonetbess dont fuckin worry bout how old i am

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions

i dont know what about that conversation would strike you to come to that conclusion

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh cmon.. you know you are smelling Ginns old jock strap as you red this! lol

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by MainePhinFan on Mar 14, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

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by MainePhinFan on Mar 14, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, don't remind us!

I’m sure Quinn would have been decent with us and like you said, there were plenty others in the 2nd round. Notre Dame players learn the basics and I don’t recall a bad ND player. I’m NOT saying they’re all great, but I was stunned when that idiot chose Ginn over him. Oh, well. Everything happens for a reason. Cleveland won’t be picking a QB (Clausen) with their 7th pick. I wonder how far he’ll drop?

by Valentine14 on Mar 14, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions

We could've

traded Thigpen and 2nd or 3rd pick to Broncos for Brandon Marshall. Not happening anymore.

by Henne on Mar 14, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions

i agree, i thought for sure thigpin would be trade fodder to Denver after resigning pennington. How many quarterback insurance policies do we need?

by krazeekuban on Mar 14, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Well you cant count Pat White in that insurance policy because he sucks donky ass just like Ginn.

White and Ginn should open an ice cream stand in south florida so they can do something productive with the rest of their lives. :)

by MainePhinFan on Mar 14, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

whered u hear that the broncos valued thiggy that much

i might have missed it
can someone gimme a link?

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 14, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions

in note...

Ok, Ginn was a bust, especially for the 9th overall pick….in truth the entire draft of the cam season was bust…(ronnie was picked by saban). But I DO NOT think Quinn woulda been any less of a bust for us. In fact I am GLAD we didn’t take him. In three seasons with the Browns he could NOT supplant Anderson (who is himself a major bust) and when he did get a shot last season he suffered from major inaccuracy. And imagine this….had we taken Quinn would we STILL be waiting for him to develop now as we are for Ginn? I think so. Not to mention, we never would have drafted the true face of our franchise now, Chad Henne.

No, I think passing on Quinn was the only real GOOD move on Cam’s part. Agree or not, we will soon find out Quinns true worth if he can even supplant Orton in Denver now (yet another bust). I dont think he will. Regardless, we cannot change what happened in the past, merely learn from it.

And in learning from years past, all you WR fans for rd 1 had better come to terms with the fact that Parcells will never draft a WR in rd 1. He has never felt that WR’s should get rd 1 money coincidering they usually take 2-3 years to develop into good route runners in the nfl.

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by Thomas Kyle on Mar 14, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions

And imagine this….had we taken Quinn would we STILL be waiting for him to develop now as we are for Ginn? I think so. Not to mention, we never would have drafted the true face of our franchise now, Chad Henne.

i think ur forgetting that we drafted beck that year
were not still waiting for him and we still drafted henne

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 14, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I didnt forget

Beck was another CAM bust for the can Cam BUST season. But then again, we didnt spend a rd 1 pick on Beck did we, like we would have for Quinn. You think its any coincidence that Ginn is still here?

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by Thomas Kyle on Mar 14, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions

ginn being a 1st round pick has nothing to do with him still being here

ginn is still at worst an avg kick returner. he can still stretch a defense… stats woulda been better if 80% of his big plays werent called back for holding. still a huge bust by his draft position standards.
and even though hes a first round pick we have spent 3rd and 4th round picks on receivers last year. so its not like were ignoring the position because we have a 1st rounder there.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 14, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions

80% of his big plays? That means all 2 of them right? lol

by MainePhinFan on Mar 14, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

i dont know how you can call Derek Andersonn a bust

he was a 6th round pick that made it to the pro bowl in 07’ yea some “bust” he is.

And the whole reciever 2-3 years nonsense is getting out of hand sur it might take that long for a reciever to reach his full potential but that doesnt mean they cant make an impact right away

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions

in the nfl....

it is a ‘what have you done for me lately?’ league. and lets face it, Anderson hasnt done a DAMN THING since that ‘07 pro bowl. And let’s face facts, pro bowl voting is usually completed WELL BEFORE the seasons end, and in itself is somewhat biased.

The WR thing is FACT. College routes are basic, and leave no room for the reciever to ‘adjust’ where as in the nfl, a reciever MUST adjust and must learn three routes in the ‘one’ route scheme.

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by Thomas Kyle on Mar 14, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

i agree on the anderson thing and part of the wr

i know that a reciever has to adjust from college but what i mean is overall right away you can see what you have in a reciever

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

sure

you can see thier ‘potential’ but in refrence to my earlier statement, it doesnt mean Parcells will ever DRAFT one in rd 1. He knows the time it takes to get their true worth and doesnt feel they are worth rd 1 money.

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by Thomas Kyle on Mar 14, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions

o i didnt say to take one in round one but i agree parcells will likely not go that route also

parcells has drafted runningbacks in round one witch is why there is hope for spiller

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

ok dawg killin it with those facts nice!!

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by DPL3 Rollin on Mar 14, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Are we talkin Brady as a potential starter..?

… or just back-up duties..? Ah, maybe some competition… lol

I’m looking at what’s gonna happen to the Jets’ Snatchez through this………..

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by Alpha6 on Mar 14, 2010 8:42 PM EDT reply actions

I still think Quinn is alot better than shown

by Farorefox on Mar 14, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions

Part of me thinks he should be given a nother shot with a good supporting cast

another part of me says that he really hasnt shown anything anyway

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 14, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

and he could be..this will be a fresh start for him

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by Deuce Black on Mar 14, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

agreed.

can ginn get a fresh start too?

by el presidente 00 on Mar 14, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions

then wa happs unless we playin ny j

by wild zion beaver on Mar 14, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions

I feel bad for Peyton Hillis, he's a good runner....

And McDouche apparently didn’t want to use him even though he was awesome the year before and really made the crowd cheer. I was at some of those games and when he ran the ball, there was electricity in the air. But I feel good that he probably will get a great shot of making a BIG impact at Cleveland.

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