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Thoughts on the Draft

Disclaimer:  This is a really long Post.

 

First let's access where we are at some key positions:

NT

     We have Paul Soliai as the starting NT for the first 8 games of the season.  Soliai is not the answer.  Our defense struggled to stop the run when Jason Ferguson was out.  Soliai is probably not even a good backup.  Last year we didn't address the need because we had a young guy named Solai that was a possible backup.  This year we have a slightly older guy named Soliai who we know was ineffective last year after learning the ropes from Ferguson.

     Ferguson is 35.  Ferguson was never a dominant NT, but he was a serviceable option for a team with too many other needs to be addressed.  After addressing those needs through the draft the past few years and free agency we have some solutions at most other positions, but we still haven't done anything about the middle of our defense, the most crucial piece to making a 3-4 defense work.

     This is the most glaring need we have right now.We need to come out of this draft with 2 NT prospects, one in the early rounds and a late round pickup to completely replace Solai. There are no NTs out there in free agency.  Even the marginally good NTs have been snatched up, while there are still some quality free agents out there at other positions of need.

     The more I look at things, the more I think that Dan Williams will not fall to us at 12.  There are multiple mock drafts that actually have him going either to Buffalo at 9 or Denver at 11.  NTs are a premium in this league and as Jeff Ireland said, "There are only so many big guys walking on this earth, It's a big priority in any defense. When you find them, you've got to keep them."  How many NTs that were supposed to hit the market got the franchise tag this year?  More and more teams are starting to realize the key to the defense is those big guys up front. 

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     That said I still like Terrence Cody at 12 over Dan Williams.  I know he looks like a slob, but watch game tape of this kid.  He is exactly what you want out of a NT.  There is no way that he falls to us at 43, especially if he has dropped to 340 by draft day like he is saying (only 9 lbs to go).  He gives you the push up front that you are looking for.  Anyone who does not see it doesn't know anything about defensive line.  You are not looking for a sack master out of your NT, you want a run stuffer, a guy that just eats up blockers.  If you can get someone who can either push the line of scrimmage back or hold up 2 guys and not give that yard or 2 you have exactly what you need out of him.  I really do not see that out of any of the other prospects. 

Take a look at this video where they discuss some of the top DTs in the draft, Suh, McCoy and ...Cody??

Suh, McCoy and ... Cody??

A quick recap if you don't go see the video.  Jamie Dukes says that Vince Wilfork is probably pushing 370 and they all agree that NT is a different position, Billick says that he doesn't mind if a NT is a little sloppy.

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via admin.listenernetwork.com

 

     A NT's job is not to make tackles or sacks.  NT is not a role that requires instincts as some people have said.  If they occasionally get a tackle or a sack it is just bonus.  Their job is to make everything else in your defense work. 

     1.) They push the pocket back to flush the QB out of the pocket and into the arms or your OLBs.  You are not looking for them to run down a QB.  The threat of your NT potentially falling on the other teams QB is all you really need.  40 time is completely useless for evaluating a NT because he is not there to be fast, but to speed up the rest of the defense. 

     2.) They push the center and guard back allowing your ILB to come up and make a play on the RB in the backfield instead of 2-3 yards deep.  If the NT is getting pushed even a yard or 2 back they are losing the battle at NT, because then the ILB has to decide which side of the NT the RB is going to and run around in order to make the tackle, or they can just give up 3 yards and make the tackle behind the new line of scrimmage that the NT has allowed.  What happens far too many times in that situation is the LB comes up and tries to guess, the RB then sees and goes the other way and you are then looking to your safeties to make the play.
 
     3.) They get their hands up on a pass play and knock it down before it can get to their WR or TE coming over the middle.  If there is a place that instincts helps for a NT this is the only place.

   I just hope that they discount this kid as out of shape and let him drop to us.
     


OLB

     I am hoping we resign Jason Taylor.  I think he will be the key to helping Cameron Wake and the OLB we select hopefully in the second round develop.  I think if you go beyond the second round you are hoping for a miracle to find a good OLB that can rush the passer.  You have no arguments from me that this is our number 2 need in this years draft and we have to come out of this draft with a legitimate heir to the void that will be left when JT retires. There are plenty of talented OLBs out there, maybe even a few small school gems to be found and if anyone can find them, it is the trifecta.

     Improving our NT will indirectly improve our pass rush.  When we push the pocket back the QB is forced to get out of the pocket, hopefully right into the hands of one of our OLBs.  If we address all the other needs we have in the draft and we need to go after a second OLB prospect as you can never have too many pass rushers.  Obviously we would go with a second OLB before a second NT just from a sheer numbers standpoint, but it is important to come out of the draft with both 2 OLBs and 2 NTs.

 

FS

     Anyone who thinks we should go after a FS over a NT in round 1 should consider this:

Over a week into free agency and there are 2 viable FS upgrades sitting out there for us to grab.  There is either the long term upgrade of Oshiomogho Atogwe, or the as a short term veteran  Darren Sharper who will help Chris Clemons learn how to fill the role that we drafted him to fill last year in the sixth round.  Clemons has all the measurables right now but he is still very raw.

     Considering that we went hard after Antrel Rolle then after Ryan Clark the FO is looking to address the FS position in free agency.  Hopefully we will hear that we sign either Atogwe or Sharper soon solving our FS hole.  That said if all the NTs and OLBs that we want are gone by pick 12 and we have a chance at either Berry(not holding my breath), or Earl Thomas I say we pull the trigger.  Otherwise I think we need to go after a late round FS as competition for Clemons and Culver.

WR

     I think we will be better at receiver this year than a lot of people think.  Brian Hartline is going to be even better this year. Hartline is the guy that takes over in the WR meeting room and is probably one of our most intelligent receivers.  He could very well develop into a legitimate #1 receiver or a Wes Welker clone.
    
     I really think that Patrick Turner is going to develop this year for us.  People that have called him a bust after one year do not realize that it generally takes a WR 3 years to develop.  I also think that we are speculating that Brian Hartline beat him out last year when from what I heard from Sparano is that Turner was not on the field because he was too big and didn't fit the mold for a special teams guy.  I think once Hartline got on the field he surprised everyone and wound up grabbing more of a role for himself than they had anticipated.  Let's wait until we actually see him on the field before we call him a bust, or at least until the end of this season if he has not made into the rotation by then.

     In typical trifecta fashion we quietly picked up Ryan Grice-Mullen this offseason.  Grice-Mullen and Davone Bess were teammates at Hawaii(for Little Nicky) on a pass happy team and they know how to get open, and have tons of practice catching a football, and playing together. Grice-Mullen was clocked at 4.36 in the 40 on his pro day while Davone Bess clocked a 4.60. Let's not forget the 3rd year rule with WRs and let me point out that both Bess and Grice-Mullen will be entering their 3rd year this year.

     We are also working on developing Julius Pruitt and Taurus Johnson.  Out of all of the young receivers we have right now the only one we have with no possible #1 receiver potential is Davone Bess.  That said, if he isn't already the best possession receiver in the league, he soon will be.

     I like Ted Ginn Jr., he seems like a really nice kid, but I just don't like him in Miami.  I think we need to get whatever value we can out of him and just call it a failed experiment compliments of Cam Cameron.  Think of it this way though, at least we didn't draft Brady Quinn like everyone was screaming at us to do with that pick, otherwise it would have been a more expensive mistake than it turned out being because QB contracts usually cost more than other players that would have been drafted at that pick.

     I think Greg Camarillo will be outclassed this year and you obviously deal him or cut him before the draft. Camarillo will always be a Dolphin and he is still the savior of the 2007 season, but business is business and we just have too many young receivers that are doing the same thing he is doing with Bess, Hartline and soon Grice-Mullen.

     So out of Brian Hartline, Patrick Turner, Ryan Grice-Mullen, Julius Pruitt and Taurus Johnson, at some point one of these guys is going to develop into that number one receiver we have all been looking for and we will not have to deal with the attitude of Brandon Marshall or Terrell Owens.  I have said it before though, if we have the ability to go get a T. O. and the front office thinks he will behave, I would not be against it given the fact that we have so many young receivers to develop.  I will leave that up to them to decide if we need the drama or if we just want to see them work it out themselves.

     If we get T. O. we do not need to worry about a WR in the draft given all the other young talent we have at WR.  Otherwise we are down to 6 receivers (all with less than 3 years of experience). If we don't sign Terrell Owens to a short term deal with lots of incentives for behaving, I think it would be foolish though to come out of this draft without another potential #1 receiver.

ILB


     I think that this is way down on our list of needs at this point after the signing of Karlos Dansby.  I think Dansby will make Channing Crowder better and I am anxious to see what happens this year with those 2.  I still think we need some competition for Crowder or at the very least some more depth, considering those guys can always contribute on special teams.


 
TE

     We need an upgrade at TE.  While this is behind all the other positions needs we have, it is still a need for this team.  If we have the opportunity to get an upgrade at TE in the draft and we have either addressed our other needs or all the viable options are gone for filling the needs we need to make it happen.  If someone takes the bait on Anthony Fasano and gives us a 2nd round pick---AWESOME!!

 

G

     We need some depth at G.  I think this is less of a pressing need and we can do this in the later rounds but do not mistake the importance of us getting a solution here.  Last year showed we have some pretty good line depth already but it also showed that we are short one guy.

RB


     I really do not see a problem here.  We have resigned Ronnie Brown for a discount and if someone decides to take the bait and give us their #1 pick for him, then we can go after CJ Spiller.  If not we have Ronnie Brown, and Ricky Williams this year and they will probably be one of the best duos in the league.  Next year Ricky Williams retires like he is saying he will, then we still have Ronnie Brown, Patrick Cobbs, and Lex Hilliard.  I really don't place as much value on these guys as most people do.  I think like most people say it is a passing league.  The key to a good RB is a good offensive line.  If our offensive line is anything like they were last year(and I think they will actually get better) we can plug any schlub in there.  They will be able to average 3-4 yds per carry by just letting our offensive line push teams back 2-3 yards and falling forward, which will do more than enough to open our passing game. 

Some Disclaimers


     The draft is impossible to accurately mock because no one can anticipate Al Davis drafting Darius Heyward-Bey at 7... but we are all free to mock him after the draft for doing it.  I put who I would want in each round in order of who I would want us to take.  If a guy I think has a first round grade is still available to take in the second round we take him before anyone else in that round. 

     Obviously, if that guy is gone we would go for the next guy with that grade in order.  I do not think we need to take 2 NTs before we draft a OLB so obviously if we picked Cody or Williams in the first round we wouldn't go and pick Cam Thomas in the 3rd until we have sufficiently filled some of our other needs.  I would like to see us come out of this draft with 2 OLBs and also 2 NT prospects so that we can get rid of Paul Solai.  We need to get both of our OLBs by the 4th round, and we should try to pick up our 2nd NT by the 6th round.

     If we can trade down and pick up extra picks awesome, but I am not even going to try to predict who would want to trade with us and much less which picks they would offer us.  Also if someone we expect to go sooner drops unexpentantly, it would be great to be able to jump up and get them, but there is no way to predict that either, so I won't try.

   
     Feel free to offer suggestions about who we can take at what spot, if I have missed someone that you think will be available. 

Pick 12 :

Terrence Cody NT, Dan Williams NT(if available), Jason Pierre-Paul OLB, Sean Witherspoon OLB, Brandon Graham OLB, Sergio Kindle OLB, or Earl Thomas FS

Pick 43:

Jerry Hughes OLB, Ricky Sapp OLB, Demaryius Thomas WR, or Brandon Lefell WR
 
Pick 73:

Thaddeus Gibson OLB, Arrelious Benn WR, Brandon Spikes ILB, Cam Thomas NT, or Aaron Hernandez TE

round 4:

Linval Joseph NT, Jermaine Cunningham OLB, Jimmy Graham TE, Mitch Petrus G

round 6a:

Torell Troup NT, or I think we take the best G available at this point for some offensive line depth

round 6b: reserved for a small school gem that the trifecta finds for us (G, ILB, OLB, WR or RB)
round 7a:  reserved for a small school gem that the trifecta finds for us (G, ILB, OLB, WR or RB)
round 7b:  reserved for a small school gem that the trifecta finds for us (G, ILB, OLB, WR or RB)

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one of these four gentleman will be our first selection.....

williams, cody, paul-pierre, kindle

Just one man's opinion...

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by hwyatt3 on Mar 13, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

i am not entirely sure that either williams or paul-pierre will be there at 12.......

cody and kindle certainly will be……….at that point we have a better chance of landing cody or one of the other second tier nose tackles in the second…………

if williams and paul-pierre are gone…….kindle will certainly be the pick

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by hwyatt3 on Mar 13, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the fact that Denver just cut Andra Davis is a good sign for us

That tells me Denver is probably going after Rolando McClain, and will then use the pick secured in the Marshall deal (hopefully higher than our No.12 pick) to grab a wideout. I am hoping it turns out this way, at least. I really, really want Williams. And if he’s not there, Earl Thomas (though I am starting to appreciate Kindle a little more as the weeks go on).

Dan Williams and Ricky Sapp in 2010!

by kmb8488 on Mar 13, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Has Marshall been traded/signed away yet?

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 14, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

JT himself has a single year at OLB

is he really gonna help out Wake or any other OLBer? I doubt that and I doubt the FO wants him back at a raise and two years I know I dont.

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by Blaze453 on Mar 13, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Either Way.....

Thinking about our “D” for this coming year… either way, we’re going to have a guy that will need to be double teamed. If Jason can keep it going and get around his man, I think we will see more pressure out of him. This will be his last year I’m sure….. Jason would want to leave on a high note.

by Rickslilpiece on Mar 13, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

he wants a two year contract and as raise

dont get me wrong I always liked JT but he is a slow LBer that I saw far to often unable to control the edge and a half step late. If we get 2 OLBers in the first 4 rounds he wont be resigned IMO

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by Blaze453 on Mar 13, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering he was making practically the veteran minimum

I really think we are going to resign him again this year. He is getting older, but he is still a playmaker.. the dip in production this last year could have been due to a really crappy defensive scheme that had no imagination. He still had 7 sacks 3 forced fumbles and one int last year. We didn’t disguise a single thing we did last year. How hard is it to take advantage of things when they know exactly what they are doing and can tell what you are doing from the way you line up, but you have no idea what they are going to do. Are we really surprised we got rolled over on defense most of the season??

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 14, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

How About?

Golden Tate? Do you think he will be around long enough for us to pick up? I agree with picking up the smaller school guys in the later rounds. They seem to be good sleepers that don’t get enough credit. The trifecta has a good nose for those type of guys.

by Rickslilpiece on Mar 13, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Why would we want Golden Tate???

How many wide outs do we need on this team that are less than six foot tall as well as under 200 lbs? Does anybody notice that damn near all the top receivers in the league are somewhere around 6-4 and are pushing around 220-230 lbs? We need to stop drafting small receivers first and foremost. Might as well throw Pat White out there and see what he can do. How bout we wait on selecting a wide out and address that later in the draft. Maybe a guy like Demaryius Thomas who sits at 6-3 230 lbs. A guy who averaged 15.9, 16.1 and 25.1 yards per catch the last three years respectively. A guy who had less than 50 grabs and was still able to rack up nearly 1200 yards last year. This is just a thought but all I’m saying is we don’t need anymore small receivers on this team. We need someone who can tower over corners and who can push their weight around. I remember a handful of grabs that Brandon Marshall made last year where he just reached over the corner that was covering him to grab an underthrown ball.

by phinzfan84 on Mar 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not sure he fits the trifecta's size requirements

But if he drops much past the 2nd round he may become a viable option…

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 13, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Tate or Thomas??

Who are you referring to with this comment? If you’re speaking of Tate, do you really feel we should continue to draft guys of that size? Yeah they develop into great slot guys and good options at #2 but how many of these types of receivers do we need?

We need a big target who can dominate opponents! We all say we need a number one, we should get Marshall, we should get T.O., we should have gotten Boldin. But when there’s no indication that any of that’s going to happen we all start talking about the draft and a lot of people start throwing out names of players who are small and will end up being a slot guy or a #2. Why? Why do we revert back to this type of thinking? If we end up filling this void in the draft when need to pick someone who is big, strong and who can overpower anyone who is covering him.

by phinzfan84 on Mar 13, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The answer I was looking for.

 “we all start talking about the draft and a lot of people start throwing out names of players who are small and will end up being a slot guy or a #2. Why?”

I can always appreciate a well thought and intelligent answer. I’m interested in seeing what TO can do with the Phins…. All in all, the guy can catch a ball.

My interest in Tate was sparked after a posting I read on another sports sight about his value increasing.

Didn’t we draft Patrick Turner for his size though? 6’5" 220LBS? He sat in a reserve role didn’t he?

by Rickslilpiece on Mar 16, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct

I’m lost at why Turner never got a shot. Word on the street is the kid catches everything thrown his way in practice. He may be slower than some of our other receivers but our faster receivers only scored six touchdowns combined last season.

by phinzfan84 on Mar 18, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he had trouble with the playbook

but don’t quote me on that

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 18, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaaaah

That would explain a lot if that was the case. Never thought of that. Just thought the staff was hatin on him because he wasn’t as fast as our other receivers.

by phinzfan84 on Mar 19, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read the same thing as Nicky did. He could not grasp the play book and

can not seem to get off of blocks at the line in practice.

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by texascowpunk on Mar 19, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Golden Tate will not be a good pick for us.

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by BSerious72 on Mar 14, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rec'd this on pure effort, lol,

while I do disagree on much of what you say I do agree that NT is a priority and that is is a key to the 3-4 and it will be addressed, nice work.

by uncle finster on Mar 13, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

ryan grice mullen is not entering his third year in the leauge

hes been plaing in the cfl

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by Deuce Black on Mar 13, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

well.... 3rd year after college...

He has had some playing time in the CFL and I think with him and Bess on the field together it might be a quicker transition for him.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 13, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

i think one of those receivers will eventually blossom in this league, it just takes time. And also, i don’t think arrelious benn will fall to the third round, he may even go in the first round, but probably the second round. He is one of the best receivers in this draft.

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by flsportsfan on Mar 13, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Im sorry Jason

I think your post is really thorough and I appreciate the effort. but it really is illogical for a few reasons…

Considering he was drafted only one year ago, I can understand (to a point) that it is not time to give up on Patrick Turner yet. Still, for a guy who was labeled as an underachiever in college he surely lived up to his billing by not not producing a single catch all season and only managing to be active for two games. Say what you want about special teams, but if Turner was at all ready to contribute he would have surely been given snaps considering this team’s lack of playmakers at wideout. Whats unfortunate is that if the FO used that pick on player in the front 7 maybe we would have one less hole to fill. There is no evidence that points towards Counting on Turner for production this season. If he develops great, but we can’t stand pat and hope the light turns on.

Also, the mere idea that Ryan Grice Mullen will be anything more than a warm camp body is completely irrational. He almost certaily won’t be making this team, nor will Julius Pruitt or Taurus Johnson. I know anything is possible, but you can’t honestly think that Parcells and company are actually counting on these players to ascend to number one reciever??? Every team brings 10 or 11 recievers to camp, it doesn’t mean that they believe they are capable of being a starter.

Hartline is going to be a very good no.2 wideout in this league. Davone Bess is already one of if not the best slot recievers in the game. Camarillo is as reliable as it gets as a no.4 wideout. We NEED a no.1, and I gurantee that the FO isn’t sitting in their draft room saying we should ignore this need because we have journeyman Ryan Grice Mullen or habitual disappointment Patrick Turner.

by JaredN on Mar 13, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

I am not saying that Patrick Turner is the answer....

     I am saying that with the 6 young guys that we have maybe one of them will develop into that number 1 receiver we need. I am still all for drafting another rookie this year, or getting T.O. I just don’t think we need to draft a WR in the first round.
    
     Point taken about the young guys though…. I was being optimistic and maybe I went a little overboard there. Until they all beat Camarillo and Ginn out I suppose we need to keep them around ….

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 13, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

also

we don’t NEED an upgrade at TE. We WANT to get a young tight end to compete with Joey Haynos for backup duties behind Anthony Fasano. It would be nice if we had a playmaker at the position, but considering our pressing needs at NT, OLB, WR, and FS it isn’t in the cards right now. Fasano won’t be signed to an offersheet and he will be our starter in September.

by JaredN on Mar 13, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

Great Post ... but disagree about the NT spot being our #1 need.

Great Post and rec’d …

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but I have to disagree with your thoughts on the NT position and how it will be addressed. While I do love Cody or Williams I can almost guarentee that neither will be picked by the Dolphins at 12. If you look at Parcells history you will know that he likes taking his big NT in the later rounds a la Jason Ferguson and Jay Ratlif.

I feel that with the resigning of Ferguson it shows that they are satisfied with Soliai and will have him start the season at NT with a late round gem (my guess one of the 6th round picks)being the backup until Ferguson suspesion is over. Soliai is still young and really is just starting to understand what it takes and IMO I think he will be much better come next season.

Now if I am wrong and I were the trifecta and I get a Williams or a Cody in the first two rounds and are not sold on Soliai I would trade him rather than cut him as he does have a lot of value with teams like the Chargers and Bills who are currenlty in a much worse position at NT than we are for there 3-4 defense.

by markus_13 on Mar 14, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

What is to understand about a NT really?

     It is not exactly a cerebral position…. You push people back. You cause havoc. You don’t even need to neccessarily make the tackle as long as you mess things up enough to let your LBs come up and make a play behind the line of scrimmage.
     I think we might get some value from Soliai as a backup somewhere, but the team that does it will be stupid, or really really bad off like we were coming off a 1-16 season and needing to address a lot more pressing holes than backup NT.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

not so much understanding the position

but understanding what he needs to do to be a good player in this league, as far as working out and his technique etc etc

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly what I meant by that comment. It wasn’t too long ago that Soliai was getting suspended because of weight issues and lack of being a pro ect. I’m surprised that you think he is that bad of a player.

by markus_13 on Mar 14, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soliai

To me Soliai is more of 3rd down NT. I don’t see us trading Soliai. Almost all the top NFL NTs have weight issues. With nearly half of the league using or going to a 3-4 defense you can not just wait for a 6th or 7th round gem. This is a deep DT draft for the first 5 rounds. Out of those 5 rounds of DTs very few project to 3-4 NT. If you need proof of how important the NT is to 3-4 defenses just look at how many were Franchised this year. I would be completly surprised if we don’t take a DT/NT in the first 3 rounds. I also assume we will take 2 by the end of this draft.

by FinFanFromCA on Mar 14, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah... take a look at my other Post about Sparano and Cody...

He basically says that there just aren’t that many guys that size in the league … and he says most NTs are 2 down players…

Sparano on Cody

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 14, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not here to state how I feel .. I think a NT in the first two rounds wouldn’t be a bad idea as I love the idea of getting someone like Cody BUT I don’t think this is the trifectas way of gettting that position filled … looking at there track record with Ferguson and Ratliff it tells me they will stay with what they have and get someone in the later rounds

by markus_13 on Mar 14, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Understand and I Agree

I just hope the FO decides to pull the trigger sooner than their history tell’s they will. One reason I come to this site is that people on this site have a solid knowledge of what this team needs. You are generally someone I agree with more often than not. Of course we are still waiting for a #1 receiver. So you might be right.

by FinFanFromCA on Mar 14, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with most of what you said except when it comes to getting a WR

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 14, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I really really wish there was a way we could go get a number one receiver...

I am just being realistic about our needs at this point…. We were really beyond awful last year on defense… The Colts had the ball for all of 15 minutes and still put up 27 points on us. We can put points on the board this year, and we can run the clock out. But we can not win if we can not stop anyone from scoring on us left and right. It all starts in the middle. I like that we went and got the MLB position handled. Now if we get the NT upgraded we will be MUCH better next year. I think this is a draft that we can come out with a cornerstone of our defense for years to come. I feel like Cody is for all of his faults, a special kind of player that has the ability to take over a game at the NT position—when you wind up in 3rd and long the whole game changes for you. We need someone that we can just franchise tag at that position. Sign him to a 6 year deal and tag him for 2 years.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 15, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I am a bit optimistic too....

It seemed like our receivers were playing better and better each week.. Now if we can just get Henne to calm down and stop forcing interceptions we will be much better next year.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 15, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

good post

i would like……

rd.1- Williams or Cody NT
rd2.- Hughes or Sapp OLB
rd3.- Reshad Jones FS/SS underrated.

ted ginn’s only worth like a 5th or 6th, esp. with his contract, it’s more valuable to just keep him returning kicks and cross your fingers that the light goes on but don’t hold your breath. i still am holding out hope. maybe hes a late bloomer lol.

by sonnycrockett on Mar 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, maybe....

or maybe he is just a blooming moron.
;-)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could be good for us still

If we got a true #1 receiver on this team and stopped expecting Ted, at 5-11 180lbs, to be a #1 then he could be amazing. We all think Cam Cameron was a piece of crap and had no clue as to what he was doing in Miami. Ginn was his pick and he thought he was going to be our #1. So why are people still conforming to his way of thought. Ted is and never could be a true #1 in the NFL, be he can be a damn good #2/return man. The only thing he could possibly bloom into is a speedy sidekick. With less pressure on his shoulders we’ll see him develop into something good for us.

by phinzfan84 on Mar 18, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is what you hope every time your NT does

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by Weecho85 on Mar 19, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

that's what she said

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 19, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

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by Weecho85 on Mar 19, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to find a big guy that can do that ....

I saw on YouTube a report that he claimed he could do a backflip…. If it actually showed him doing a backflip or I had a reasonable belief that he actually could do a backflip I would post it all over the place….
     If he really wanted to help his draft stock….He would just post on YouTube him doing a backflip at 340lbs.

by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense

I believe the first half of the draft should focus on defensive players. The draft this year is defense heavy. In the later rounds the Dolphins should grab Danario Alexander. He is the best wr with the most recieving yards. He did have some trouble with injuries but in later rounds anybody is a risk.

by firearchdruid on Mar 20, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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