A Dominant NT
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 11, 2010 8:24 PM EST
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I can see the benefit of an improved pass rush this year... I know it is a passing league and some of us want to go get a FS. I saw one of the posts earlier today where someone mentioned the best way to stop someone from shooting you is to go take their gun away rather than standing there and trying to stop the bullet with your teeth. It is a pass happy league because all the rules favor the offense, so the best way to stop that is don't let them sit back there and pass the ball.
Really, if we wanted to improve our secondary we could just play prevent defense all game long(we know that doesn't work). But here is a thought... A NT will help with our pash rush and secondary as well..... Here is what I mean...
A NT that is pushing the pocket back gives a QB less options for avoiding the OLBs. Otherwise the QB can just step up in the pocket and let the OLBs go right behind him. This doesn't happen if a NT is in his face pushing him back. Also, a NT pushing the pocket will occasionally mess up the C --> QB exchange as well as occasionally push the C onto the QB messing up his footwork. A NT that knows how to get his hands up will help to keep passes from getting to the secondary. Not to mention a good NT will shut the running game down to the point that our OLBs can tee off on the QB. To be honest as much as I liked Ferguson he was never the elite NT that a Vince Wilfork is.
Now the question is who is that elite NT in this year's draft. This is the key. He is not the stud that everyone looks at and says ... wow this guy looks great. He is the sloppy fat tub of lard that is almost freakish in his ability to take over a game. Cody is a dominant NT. True Dan WIlliams is a good NT(much like Ferguson), but Cody is dominant.
We are going to have to worry about his weight probably, and if he can play 3 downs or not... But we will never have to worry about him losing too much weight ....
Watch the tape --- the guy is a beast. Yes he was 370 at the Senior Bowl.... get over it...We aren't looking for the guy with the quickest 40 time--- he finished the 40 and didn't pass out--AWESOME!!!! ... that is the trap that people get in with picking NTs high in the draft. You are not picking a pure athlete and if you pick a pure athlete he is going to bust.... YOU NEED A MONSTER!! he is not going to be our Prom King... he is the guy that is going to eat the Prom King ... There is no one in the draft that fits that role quite like Terrence Cody... I hope he drops to the second, but I doubt it .... We need to close our eyes.... and pick Cody at 12. He is the single piece that makes all of the other pieces work.
I foung these videos on YouTube earlier today and posted them in a comment, but I wanted everyone to look at them and tell me if you are seeing the same difference I am. I see Cody blowing things up on a run play. He either pushes the blocker back or doesn't move. I see Dan Williams get pushed back a yard or 2. Those yards mean something on the goal line. They mean something on 3 and short. Now the cool thing about these two videos is you get to see both guys against a couple of common opponents(Ole Miss and VA Tech) Watch the difference.. We are looking for a yard or 2 difference.. But it does matter. We need that extra yard or 2.
Dan Williams Highlights/Lowlights 2009
DT D an W illiams Highlights/Lowlights 2009 T ennessee (via ProDraftParty)
Terrence Cody Highlights/Lowlights 2009
DT T errence C ody Highlights/Lowlights 2009 A labama (via ProDraftParty)
If there are any other players that you guys think are doing the same thing Cody is at NT feel free to post highlights. There is also a video of Cody blocking 2 field goals in the Tennessee game and also a video of Cody lead blocking on goal line and taking 3 defenders out of the play.
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every time ive watched Alabama play
i see terrance cody only on 20-30% of the defensive plays. im not looking for a six pack on a nose tackle but if he wants to play in the nfl he needs to get in shape.
the way i see it he has no chance of being successful in his first year. maybe a developmental player who can work into a smaller role and then maybe.. just maybe into a starting role.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 11, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions
wrong, he has been working out and has lost 21 pounds he keeps shwong this type of comminment then why not have him start
he has the potential and the ability, but i rather get Thomas
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by DPL3 Rollin on Mar 11, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
commitment???
he showed up at the senior bowl 20-30 pounds over weight. getting back to normal playing weight only shows commitment to “get by” in the nfl… not exceed.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 12, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
but with Bill Parcells that can change your not taking thsat tro consideration
if he’s going to start why not finish
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but with Bill Parcells that can change your not taking that to consideration if he’s going to start why not finish
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BP likes self motivated players
hes not a baby sitter.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 12, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Good point!
No one should receive that kind of money if they can not motivate them-self.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 12, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
No but the coaching staff he has with him will work him till he's nicole Richie which will motivate his ass to eat Healthy when diud i say he's a babysitter
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Been saying this for well over a month....
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I like your thinking...
I was gonna post something similiar to this a little later. I dont know if Cody is neccesarily what we need ( than again he could be exactly what we need), but without a dominant nose tackle our defense is gonna be average at best. Without a dominant NT, the Fin FO will not get the kind of production out of Dansby that he is capable of producing. I believe the FO knows that since they just made Dansby the highest paid LB in the league, they need that missing piece (ie NT) to compliment him and let him live up to his potential. Having a big NT will take pressure off our young corners because our front 7 will be able to collapse the pocket, not allowing QBs to have 10-15 seconds to analyze the play.
by usualsuspect609 on Mar 11, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions
great post
u rly do need that huge guy in the middle to help rush the passer
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draft dan williams (legit nose tackles r hard to find)
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What I see.
What I see is that even though Dan Williams is double teamed almost every play, he is “in” every play and clogging things up “every” play.
by Rumple Pigskin on Mar 11, 2010 10:22 PM EST reply actions
Agreed, it seems like Williams is a "smarter" player and is "patient" instead of going full bore on each play...
I like the way Williams plays instead of MT Cody because it looks like Williams can push the pile when needed but he also knows when to push and hold while the running back comes his direction. Once the RB commits, he pushes in that direction and disrupts the play. We need a playmaker that constantly disrupts plays and he has that ability.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Mar 12, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
There is never a time as a NT you want to get pushed back.....
That is the point of a NT. So you don’t make every tackle behind the line of scrimmage. The point is that you are remaking the line of scrimmage 2-3 yards back. Its those 1-2 yards on every single play that are game changing yards. That is what gets teams off the field.
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 12, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Good eye!
An NT who can not only clog up the line and force the Center to pay attention to him and make his Guards pay attention to the NT is a force to be reckoned with.
D. Williams scored major points with me with him knowing exactly his role is in the 3-4. Yes, Mt. Cody is a human wall that clogs up the middle but he’s just going all out and not picking up the nuances of the game. D. Williams looks like he can step into a Captain role on an NFL team easily due to he will know how to attack an offense and guide the LB corp. to the point of attack. Not just run up and down the field like a chicken with its head cut off.
I think you're right about Cody being better on short yards But,
Williams is better in every other situation. Great post btw.
Im still on the Cam Thomas bandwagon (for the second round pick of course)
but then again we did not lose those 4th quarter games from teams running down our throats I am more concerned with the middle of the field yep the good ol FS spot now yes a good nose tackle creates room for the blitz stuffs the run but holy hell we got picked down the middle threw the air gave up way to many big plays to TE’s the LB’s didnt help the cause either but with a great coverage guy at FS will just help bring out the best in Smith and Davis as well
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Cam Thomas
I have to side with Foy on this one. the 12th pick is too much to give up on a guy that let himself get so sloppy. Cody knows he needs to be in shape but he lets his weight balloon, must have been following the Andre Smith post season workout plan. I would not touch a guy to play pro sports that cant put a cheeseburger down for the sake of his career. We do not need a player with bigger tits than ubersexy cheerleader Lilly Robbins. Cam Thoms in the second and BPA in the first or trade down.
haha Lily Robbins does have big boobs huh
anyways im in with Cam Thomas or Linval Joseph i want to take Earl Thomas with the first
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Who will win Terrance Cody or Rex Ryan?
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by DPL3 Rollin on Mar 11, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
during the season i saw cody get blocked one on one too much
and as a NT you better have to have atleast two guys blocking you if not three. if a guy can block you one on one you ae clearly not dominant enough
by Dolphinsrule0505 on Mar 12, 2010 12:02 AM EST reply actions
Hmm I heard that he has no problems taking on two guys
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if you watch the highlight reel provided you can clearly see Cody being pushed back by one guy (Florida?)
1st: Earl Thomas S; 2nd: Jerry Hughes OLB; 3rd: Arthur Jones NT; 4th: Emmanuel Sanders WR; 6A: Stevenson Sylvester ILB; 6B: Jameson Konz TE; 6C: Scott Long WR; 7A: Thomas Austin G/C; 7B: DeMarcus Granger NT;
by DolphDallas on Mar 12, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you.
as a “dominant” NT you should never get pushed back or really even blocked by one guy. you always take up two or sometimes even three guys at a time. i didnt say he couldnt take on two guys i just said if one guys can block you at that position your arnt dominant enough.
by Dolphinsrule0505 on Mar 12, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
"domin--wha?"
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by texascowpunk on Mar 12, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
WOW ... you guys are right ... what a fat slob....
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 12, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
worst comparrison evrz
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Just making a point ....
you guys are focused on how much the guy weighs…. or how he pass rushes… That is not what you need as a NT… That is why so many of the guys that look good and get drafted high fail as NTs….
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 12, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
obviously i'm joking if i post little debbie snack cake pictures
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by uncle finster on Mar 13, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah ... he got blocked on one play by Mike Pouncey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pouncey
“He is considered the best guard prospect for the 2011 NFL Draft”
The next play he throws him out of the way.
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 12, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
i didnt vote because i have like cody all along.....and dan williams is also very good
no revelation here……………
Just one man's opinion...
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A NT tackle isn't suppose to be in every play
As long as he has good push in the back field and he is pushing two guys back with him he is doing his job. The linebackers are the ones who should get all the tackles thats the way the 3-4 works so just get anyone who can get in there and clog up some holes and i will be happy.
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True even if we do draft Cody,Cam,Williams or Troupe we are still going to mix things up and put Solia in there from time to time
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When we draft any of those guys ...
We will probably pick up another one of them in the late rounds and cut Solai.
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 12, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not either
i would rather have a guy with maybe less “potential” but also less “potential issues”. Especially if we can find a way to get him in a lower draft spot.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 12, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
the only thing Cody stuffs is that cake-loving face
He’s excited cos Little Debbie left him a treat.
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i personally prefer williams, but am happy with either one
even cam thomas
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I don't get the weight thing
Your a NT the bigger you are the better. Just be violent I dont think we can go wrong with DWILL or MT Cody both are beasts, I dont want Cam cause he wasnt terribly productive in college. A late rounder like Joseph makes since though, he can learn this year and hopefully start next year.
2 different type of DT
u have the wilfork type that dominates the middle with 2 blockers 6’3 344 awesome against the run. 43 tkl 0 sacks 1 f.f. i think paul solai can be that force soon with good coaching, he only started half a season las year. than the jay ratliff type thats more of a speed rushing type up the middle also dominant, 6’4 305. 40 tkl. 6 sacks 2 f.f. both are awesome. i think if u can have both than u have dominant def. lamar houston had a great year last tear. 68 tkl., 22 tfl, 8 sacks. let me know if im stupid for thinking this way or maybe on to something.
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