Fan's Pulse: The Dolphins' biggest need?
by Matty I on Mar 11, 2010 12:15 AM EST
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It seems as though the Dolphins' activity in free agency is slowing. Outside of their one big signing, Miami has been relatively quiet. While I'd expect another move or two between now and the draft in April - nothing big, of course - it's clear that the Dolphins will head into next month's draft with a number of holes to fill.
The signing of Karlos Dansby, in my opinion, removes inside linebacker from the Dolphins' needs list. However there are still many areas this front office can address to improve this football team for 2010. So my question to all of you is simple: which need should currently be considered the Dolphins' biggest need?
The poll below lists what I think are currently Miami's top four needs - in no particular order. I've quickly touched on the four positions below. So read them, cast your vote, and then tell us why you voted the way you did.
Wide Receiver - This should come as no surprise. We've all talked about this over and over. While I feel like the makings of a solid receiving corps is currently in place, the one major piece of the puzzle missing - and hardest piece to find - is that true number one receiver, a player who can make plays. The Dolphins need that guy who can go up and make tough catches in traffic, keep the opposing defense honest, and create chunk yardage. The Dolphins were 22nd in yards after the catch in 2009. Until the Dolphins find that big play, YAC type of receiver, this offense will be limited.
Nose Tackle - Even with the re-signing of the aging (and suspended) Jason Ferguson, the Dolphins have got to find their long-term answer for the nose tackle position. It may be the single most important position in a 3-4 defense. And if it isn't, it's definitely in the top two or three as far as its importance to the success of a 3-4. It's not a coincidence that a rushing defense that was ranked in the top five in the league with Ferguson plummeted to 18th in the NFL by the season's end once Jason suffered his season-ending injury. As it stands now, Paul Soliai will be the starting nose tackle for the first eight games of 2010. Is anybody out there comfortable knowing that? I didn't think so.
Outside Linebacker - This is the other critical part of a 3-4 defense. The reason the Steelers have been so dominant defensively for all of these years has been thanks to, in large part, consistently good play from their outside linebackers. If the season began today, Cameron Wake and Charlie Anderson would be this team's starters at the two OLB spots. Yikes! While Wake showed flashes last season and will likely improve in 2010, I don't know if he's ready to be a full-time starter. And Anderson is a solid role player who just is not a starting caliber NFL linebacker. I do hope to see Jason Taylor re-signed. But even still, this position has to be - and will be - addressed in next month's draft. The question isn't if, but in what round will the Dolphins target this position.
Free Safety - Despite Jeff Ireland's words at the Scouting Combine about Gibril Wilson, he was handed his pink slip on the first day of free agency - leaving a void in the secondary (though even with Wilson, there was still a void at FS). The Dolphins missed out on Antrel Rolle and Ryan Clark and now currently have Tyrone Culver or Chris Clemons penciled in as the starting free safety. But let's face it - if this front office had any faith in either of these two, they wouldn't have made major contract offers to Rolle and Clark. The Dolphins need to find a safety to pair with one of the most under-rated strong safeties in the league.
So have at it. What is this team's biggest need right now?
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I completetly agree
Our D cost us a lot more games then our O. We need a really good FS to makes some much needed spots, scoring points wasn’t a big problem last year.
But our Corners will improve this year
and who is to say that the FS we have wont be better. I am not saying getting a FS is not important. To be honest I would not mind trading one our receivers for an extra 2nd or 3rd or trade down in order to get an extra pick so that we may address NT, FS, and OLB in the first 2 or 3 rounds. I think this year will see us draft 1 NT, 1 Fs and 2 OLBs in the first few rounds.
True, but I also think
that our corners will improve quicker and better if we had a good FS to help them out. That way they don’t have all the pressure on their shoulders.
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but an elite NT puts the whole D in better position
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
True, but the same could be said for
any one player that is elite and makes the opposing teams gameplan around them. Look at Baltimore, teams completely gameplan around Ed Reed. I remember reading a story over on Pats Pulpit after the Pats/Ravens game last year, where they had linked to a story that interviewed Brady and Belichik, and both of them said that Ed Reed was their #1 concern on the Ravens D. Brady even went as far as to say that they completely took out the plays that called to throw a pass to where Reed was.
Now granted, the Ravens also have Ray Lewis and Terell Suggs that have to be taken into consideration, but you see my point. Having an elite player anywhere on the defense can make the whole D better. It can be an elite NT who can get good push and make it easier to get to the QB, it can be a pass rusher who commands double teams, it can be a ILB that terrorizes the middle, or it can be a S that makes the secondary more difficult to throw on. Personally, I just see the FS position as a bigger need right now.
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Now don't get me wrong Lefty,
I am all about getting a dominant NT. If I had my way, we would fill the FS hole by picking up Atogwe, then focus on getting us a badass mofo of a NT in the draft followed up by some OLB.
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i completely agree with you.
and am somewhat annoyed with the Triad for not appearing interested in Atogwe.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
good arguments all around
also gotta put faith in our coaching staff. they’ve shown that they can develop young players, and with the veterans on our team too… it’s all gravy. Lets win the division this year!
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by el presidente 00 on Mar 11, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
We want a #1 WR, we don’t need a #1 WR
Hell the jets have shown the proof of that. They had a bad QB, with a great OL and good RB and decent WRs, but a great defense and they were one game from the superbowl. Look at the Ravens…..no true number 1 WR and they were very close to the superbowl. Same with the Vikings.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but the Jets realized that they "needed" a #1 WR and did something about it
They traded for Braylon Edwards. You can argue whether it was an effective trade (he caught a big TD in the AFC Championship Game), but I give the Jets credit for making the move.
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starting the lagarret blount "you got knocked the F**k out" bandwagon
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by Tunaflipper on Mar 11, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh thanx...
wasnt sure if i had the name right
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by frostyphinfan on Mar 11, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
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by GEtSICK13 on Mar 11, 2010 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Free safety is the biggest need because that's the "Quarterback" of the defense...
and we have nothing there now but its a matter of finding the right guy.
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NT is the lynch pin.
All things offense are decided by a 3-4 NT.
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So Dan Williams, Cam Thomas or Cody
I mean I dont really know whats available after that.
Wiliams and Thomas I am cool with
But Cody not so much
Is he a beast, yes, but his weight is an issue. I think if he enters the draft the program will keep him in shape
I wonder if they can have a stipulation in his contract of how many times he is allowed to visit krispy kremes every quarter.
What kid is that?
Not familiar with a high ranked NT from East Carolina
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
He likely talking about Linval Joseph
He’s rounding out the top 4 NTs in the draft and could be a last resort pick if we miss out on/choose not to draft Williams (who I think we’ll take), Thomas, and Cody. After Joseph you have Torrell Troup from UCF then around a two round dropoff in talent with the only realy target being Geno Atkins from Georgia.
Joseph is 6-4 328, ran a 5.09 40 at the combine and put 225 up 39 times. He has really raised his stock since the season’s end.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 11, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds interesting
But I am always hesitant on combine performers alone. How was he in game situations? Also what caliber of OL was he matched up against? Just wondering….not necessarily doubting.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Any thoughts on maybe bringing in
Jimmy Kennedy as a FA?
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Mar 11, 2010 5:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think so. With better O line play
and Henne’s full preseason with our WR’s, just isn’t so bad. As well, a drafted WR isn’t gonna be an instant hit (but I wish he would).
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by Tunaflipper on Mar 11, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Oh here we go
Season hasn’t even started and the Ginn haters are coming out!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
... drink the Ginn
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by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I feel ya
I can’t believe it either he’s an asshole and a bad teammate but i actually think T.O would make a heck alot of sense on a 1 or 2 year contract. I f we had T’O’ we could focus on DEF and prob fill all the holes in the draft and FA.
No thank you on the TO crap
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins. Good.
Trade Brown? Are you smoking crack?
Hartline will be the Dolphins #2 for years to come. Kid has IT
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
We dont need a 30+ receiver we need younger, Bowe or Marshall will do fine
by MainePhinFan on Mar 11, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
NO way is WR a bigger need than our defensive holes
When you are the 30th ranked scoring defense, you have to go with defensive needs 1st!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
have I told u b4 that i agree?
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yes you have LCFF
And that’s one of the reason you are one of my favorite posters!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
no one is even giving Hartline a chance...
that guy met every challenge and his was a rookie
by metalhead86 on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hartline is going to be very good
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
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by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hartline was my guy from the first interview. I knew that he would make it.
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Well lets see what he does this year
He was good but I want to see big improvements!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
hate to say it
the more i see the jets being active in their secondary…the more i think we could use TO…did i just say that??? i might even be willing to accept cj spiller with the 1st pick, but am sure he will be gone by then…just not sold on bryant…but im not in the interview room…maybe golden tate, but we need to get henne some help, get lb and nt with 2nd and 3rd picks
An elite NT makes OLB and FS more productive.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 12:55 AM EST reply actions
Maybe this is true...
But at least we have Soliai and Ferg * 1/2 at NT at FS we have Culver and Clemons. We have nothing at FS to me, that makes it the biggest need. Or are we talking defensive philosophy?
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You raise a point but here is another one.
Name as many FS in the draft as you can. Now name as many Safeties in the draft as you can. See the difference?
The 5th-6th best FREE safety in the draft (based on scouts) is Robert Johnson (Utah) and he isn’t expected to go before the 4th round and no earlier than the third. The top 5 NTs will be gone by the end of round 3 so if you are drafting for a starter you need to look to the talent pool and FS is much deeper.
The other issue at hand is that a FS is a FS be it in a 3-4 or a 4-3 or a hybrid scheme. The differences required (skills wise) are minimal at most. However several teams this offseason are adopting a 3-4 system and are going to need capable guys at NT. Factor in those teams looking to stabilise or improve their own 3-4 and you have every major free agent gone 24 hours into free agency, and only 4 guys that people think can be ready to start by the preseason waiting in the draft. This really is the biggest issue since for example if we passed on Williams in round 1, we might not even get a shot at Cam Thomas AND/or Mt. Cody at #43. You can all but bet your house that Buffalo will draft a NT in the first two rounds and they have too many big holes to fill to reach for one in the first so they will almost certainly take the best NT available in round 2.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 11, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Buffalo will take a stud OL in round 1
They have gapping holes in the OL. They very well may take a NT in the second round.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thefinreaper
This has to do with draft position – that’s another issue. The issue at hand is what is the biggest need. My pont is that at FS I don’t believe we have a true “Quarterback” back there at all. At least Soliai has shown something.
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Need is hard to define
Because people value things differently, there for they “NEED” things differently.
FS is important, but some argue that a stud MLB can fill the role of QB on defense. Others say it’s the FS. Even others say that the NT is what drives everything…kind of like the spear head. Many others say that OLB is the key playmaking positions and can impact more plays in the 3-4 than any other position. Hell who really knows.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
the problem is that we *know* what we have in Soliai
and it is not adequate. At least with Clemons we have a kid with a lot of upside, and a good D coord to coach him this year.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Left no; that's YOUR opinion.
I think Soliai did ok. Why don’t you think he was any good? What I’m judging it on is when he was in the game or starting the other team’s running game was below average more often than not. I didn’t go back and do a statistical study on it, however. Why don’t you think Soliai is any good?
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Ken..
because out of 75 or so 3-4 NT’s who played >= 250 snaps, Soliai is sitting down in 47th while Ferg, despite his injuries, age, and limitations, was 25th.
It is reasonable to expect that Ferg isn’t going to get any better at 36 & that Soliai despite 3 full seasons under his belt, has not shown himself to be a genuine starter. Certainly not even equal to Ferg and I’d argue we need an upgrade over Ferg as is.
Natalya, which ranking system is this?
The only thing that matters is how the coaching staff feels about Soliai. It they like him then that’s good enough for me. To me he seemed to be a young player who was beginnning to make strides last year. The staff had way more confidence in Soliai than they did in Clemons or Culver at FS. I’m not saying not to draft a NT but we need a true leader back there at FS.
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You said you didn't do a study on it...
and I provided figures from such a statistical ranking of all NT’s in the league.
Yes of course it only matters what the coaches think – there’s no argument about that. But I see the fact that they are willing to sign Ferg, for all of 8 games even, given his predicament (age, injuries, suspensions) as an obvious indication that they have many doubts about Soliai. Otherwise, why bother with a nearly broken down 36 year old NT with 2 ped suspensions?
As far as Soliai and Culver/Clemons, they may know what they have in the former, but the latter have more upside. Granted neither may be an impact player.
And by the way, no need to convince me of how important it is to have that talented centerfielder out there quarterbacking the secondary. I’d love to see Berry in a fins uniform.
Where is your study?
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by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
OLB makes a bigger impact
I think that most nose tackles are 2 down guys, coming out for obvious passing downs. OLBs that pressure the QB and seal off running lanes are on the field more and create more chaos for the opposing offense.
The Giants proved it in the Super Bowl—QB pressure can win games. Since this is a “passing league”, we need to get pressure to disrupt opposing QBs. Good pressure also makes the secondary look a lot better.
This tends to be my school of thought
But if you don’t have the right players at OLB then the NT and FS suddenly become the most critical elements of defense.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
T.O.
He’s lost a step or maybe two and anything after one year he just destroys your team inside out. Parcells likes to build teams from the inside out so i figure hell take a NT in a strong class
I think they draft like this...
1st: Highest rated OLB on their board
2nd: Demaryius Thomas
3rd: Cam Thomas (praying that he’s available)
Praying isnt gonna help.
To many teams need a NT for any of the big three to make it out of round 2.
by okcdolphinsfan on Mar 11, 2010 1:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think
that you’re going to see the NT become a top choice in the coming years. More teams are switching to the 3-4, and a “powerpig”, as Jamie Dukes called Cody, is hard to find.
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I don't
I don’t see him starting.. ever. It’s going to take a loong time for him to get on the field, because he can’t run routes, and he never learned how to run routes (“go straight” isn’t a route). He’s got amazing triangle numbers, but he isn’t quick out of cuts, and he was open far more often than normal because of that run-heavy goofy ass GT offense. He also didn’t see any kind of defense other than Cover 1 because teams almost always had 8 in the box with all 8 playing run.
I agree with Mojo, he has bust written all over him, and somebody is gonna fall in love with his “potential” before realizing he’s a massive project.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 11, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
maybe
but you can learn to run routes.
He has raw talent, and you can’t teach that. Also, it is possible he will be available when we we pick in the 2nd rd, and I doubt there will be anyone with his “potential” available then.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I would take LaFell, Williams, and Benn over him in a heartbeat if they are available.
Yes you can learn to run routes, but it isn’t just “run 5 yards, turn left.” There’s a lot involved, including reading the coverage on the fly and then picking the route, which he has never done. He also doesn’t have that burst that creates separation, and I don’t how big you are, if you can’t get away from somebody, you can’t get open.
Pair those two together, and you have a guy that will round off routes and constantly be in bad position vs good CB’s that are just as athletic and won’t allow him to just muscle the ball away. I think he’s at least 3 years from starting, and I’m not sure if he makes it.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 11, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
The "great" Brian Robiskie caught a whopping 7 passes
for the mighty Browns and he was supposed to be the best route runner coming out in years.
Jamal Lewis had 1 more in 2 less games..Hell ginn had 5x that many his rookie year and he had played WR for what,3 years whereas BR had played it all his life and had his Father preparing him for the next level.
Should DT just look into selling Insurance since Robiskie underachieved so much ?
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dude come on....
He had Quinn and Anderson throwing to him. I don’t think that is a fair assessment of Robiskie. How many plays did Robiskie play? 221 which isn’t even 25% of the offensive snaps. How many passes do you think he would have caught on a decent team?
I am not arguing your point, I just think that you can’t bash Robiskie for having a bad QB on a bad team and being a rookie.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
"Dude come on..." ?
Nicky is saying he thinks DTs at least 3 years from starting and I’m saying that a highly touted route runner didn’t catch but 7 balls..in other words you can’t totally judge on player from college or some latter round selections would’ve been chosen much earlier ..get it?
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 11, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
That wasn't my only judgment though
He doesn’t have a burst out of cuts, meaning he can’t even make up for sub-par route-running. It’s not like he’s Golden Tate, a poor route-runner who made up for it because he was able to use his quickness and speed to get away from guys. Thomas doesn’t have either of those. And Robiskie may have been a great route-runner, but he doesn’t have the athleticism to do anything with it. You need both. Thomas is a freak athlete, but so is every NFL cornerback, so he’s not gonna get by with that, and he’s gonna be confused by what he’s seeing in the NFL compared to the “Man, 1 High” defense he saw 90% of the time in college.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 12, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
The "dude come on" was in response to you using a really bad example to make a point
Everyone knows that there is no such thing as guaranteed success transitioning from college to pro. You can have the skill set physically and still bomb (hello Jeff George…arguably one the best arms in the last 20 years and how many winning seasons did he have).
I understand the point you were trying to make, but you were blasting Robiskie (who being from Ohio State I could really give a rats ass less about) without really painting a picture of the situation he was in there in Cleveland.
My point was you can’t bash the “Great” Robiskie for playing on a terrible offensive team last year, especially when he was only on the field for about 20% of his teams offensive snaps.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
Remember, Anderson was a probowler at one point
and if you watch a Browns game, the majority of their problems come from the line, and the receivers (not to mention playcalling that makes Henning look like a sage).
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He wasn't a probowler last year
How many times did they bench Anderson for Quinn and then Quinn for Anderson? Quinn was ranked as the 35th worst QB while Anderson was the 36th (out of 40 with only Russell, Stafford, Sanchez lower than him)
I don’t care what he did 2 or 3 years ago, he was absolutely horrible last year. Couple that with the fact that they didn’t really have a running game until Harrison got the starting position due to Lewis getting injured and the fact that they had a horrible OL (Joe Thomas not included).
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
Henne looks better than Sage ever did, IMO
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 12, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
you completely misunderstood "Henning as in our OC", and a sage is a wise person, If I were talking about Rosenfels, I would have capitalized it, and not refered to my object as an "a"
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 13, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree about Benn and LaFell.
I’m not quite as high on Williams as you are. But I do like Benn a lot. He has all the tools; just needs time to develop consistency.
Williams is the most NFL ready WR in this draft
fast, quick, elusive, great hands, elite route-runner… He’s a good looking prospect. The only question with him IMO is if he projects to be a #1, and I think he can.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 12, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Williams was a NT
but if you say he can play both positions… okay…
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 12, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Damian Williams lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 12, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you here Matty. Thomas has the tools.
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Thomas has all the tools. I hope we end up with him somehow.
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I say take the elite NT off the board first
then I like D.T. also. The OLB (there looks like a lot of depth there this year)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think it boils down to must haves vs. needs
Sure we need a #1 but we scored more than enough in almost every game so it isn’t a must have at this point.
We had the best EVER but what did scoring 35 at will get us?..It damn sure didn’t get us what a lot of ppl here say it will get us now,it didn’t then,it doesn’t now and it never will!
We “must have” an upgrade in scheme,at NT,OLB and the FS positions or once again 35 per game will not get us what we want.
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 11, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions
true, but if we had a NT, we could take a chance on a 3rd rd OLB and get by this season with Wake, Moses, and JT
with Dansby in the middle, and Nolan’s blitz schemes
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Needs
I believe the smartest thing this team can do is build as dominant a front 7 as possible. In all the years I’ve watched this sport I’ve never seen a bad team with a great front 7. It can cover up so many other weaknesses . Think about the ‘85 Bears, I bet you can’t even name me their starting corners . Or how about that Raven’s defense earlier this decade, that team had good corners and safeties but it was really that killer front that dominated games for them. Think back to Parcell’s Giants teams with those great LBs. We made a good start by signing Dansby, don’t be surprised if we take two LBs and maybe even two NTs in this draft, with the other high pick being a WR. It was the defense that costs us games last year, let’s build the type of unit that at least keeps us in every game, Henne and co. can put up enough points to win our fair share this year. This year, in particular, is rich in OLBs and NTs, so let’s do the smart thing and load up on those vital 3-4 positions while we can.
by Biggest Dolphin Fan on Mar 11, 2010 2:41 AM EST reply actions
I was actually thinking about 2 NTs....
So we take Dan Williams in the 1st. Cody in the 2nd(or I would be ok with geting Joseph Linval so we could address OLB or WR earlier). We let them learn behind Ferg for the preseason and we have them split time during the first 8 games. When Ferg comes back, maybe the rookies have made major strides and we don’t need Ferg. We cut Solai the second the draft is over.
We resign JT and we get an OLB in the 3rd round. We let them rotate with JT and Cam Wake and let JT show both of the young guys how to be 3 down OLBs and make plays. I think having JT and Dansby on the field at the same time will work wonders for a young OLB, and we already know that Cam Wake has all the tools…. he just has to put it all together and become more than just a one-trick pony…
I feel like I need to slap myself for saying this and I am probably betraying my own good senses, but yeah we sign T.O. T.O. will not cost us anything but a 1-2 year contract. He and Parcells have had some run-ins and no one in the league likes T.O. but he does one thing. He is that #1 receiver. We have so many rookies and young players with the talent to be a #1 receiver (Hartline, Patrick Turner and who knows maybe even Ted Ginn) but they have no one to teach them the tricks that make someone into a #1 receiver. T.O. can mentor them and who knows maybe he can finally become an adult himself in the process. He is usually on his best behavior on day one and if we actually sign him it is an admission on his part that he needs to change his act and be a team player.
Ted Ginn is still electric, but all he knows is speed. You can get away with that in college, but he needs someone to teach him the tricks that the #1 receivers know… Maybe you don’t go full speed this play … or you start off half speed and lull the CB into it… then you make the double move and put on the speed… I even think his catching slump last year (now that is optimism for you) can be fixed with a little bit of confidence and if he is not so concentrated on running that 4.28 on every single route(which is not really what you need),
FS we go all in and either get Atogwe or bust. We can let Chris Clemens develop behind him. If not we let Chris Clemens and Tyrone Culver loose and just make sure we bring the pain with the front seven. Trying to “cover” everyone in the NFL is an excercise in futility. Isn’t that the same crap we tried last year? The rules do not favor CBs or safeties, they favor the receivers. Does anyone wonder why dime packages routinely get picked apart or why 2 minute offenses are suddenly more effective than anything a team was able to do in the first 58 minutes of the game?? Bring the pain up front and our secondary looks like Pro Bowlers even with Clemens at FS. Then he gets confidence and learns to roam around back there and make plays on the ball.
We have the lock down corners we need(just like in the days of Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain), and they have the experience covering receivers for what seemed like an eternity last year. Next we shorten the amount of time they need to cover by bringing the pain(exactly what Mike Nolan does best).
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 11, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
Oh ... we also
Pick Jimmy Graham in the 4th.
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 11, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be shocked
if whatever position we draft in round 1 and 2 (likely OLB and NT), we mirror in rounds 6 and 7 with a TE (Graham) and a FS (R. Johnson) in rounds 3 and 4 while we shore up the O-line with our remaining picks.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 11, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Tuna does like to stockpile depth and talent
Just like CB last year. I would imagine him taking 2 OLBs and at least one FS, one NT and possibly one more ILB.
Anyone know what compensatory draft picks we are going to get?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
where is the all of them
sort of like trying to figure which of your kids you’ll bail out of jail today….
they all need serious help.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
I voted LB
We need OLB’s cause right now we only really have Wake and he’s more of a 3rd down or passing down OLB for now. So i believe OLB is top on the list. Then NT. Now that doesn’t mean we have to draft an OLB with the first pick. We still can go for a NT like Williams first then concentrate on OLB in 2nd and 3rd rounds. WR in my opinion is least of our worries right now. Bess and Camarillo are good posession WR’s and Hartline looks like he could be a 1a type of WR. And FS i would try and sign Sharper for 1 yr as a stop gap.
this is the best answer of all.....................
OLB is the LARGEST hole right now
we have three starting caliber defensive tackles and two real big dudes and then ferguson when he comes back…….we can “manage” that position for now……..
who are we going to start at OLB……..really
the thing this defense needs more that anything else is PRESSURE ON THE QUARTERBACK….
Just one mans opinion...
by MagicDolphin on Mar 11, 2010 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yes we definitely need pressure
If we were able to get more CONSISTANT pressure on the QB, how much pressure would that take off of our 2nd year CBs and who ever we find to play FS. If they only have to cover someone for 3 seconds vice 5 seconds then our team will improve drastically on the defensive side of the ball.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
Agree!
I voted OLB. But that doesn’t mean they need to pick OLB first. There is supposed to be a pretty deep class, and unless a great OLB prospect is available at 12, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them pick a safety. NT is another spot that I bet they can get a good value in round 2 or 3.
They’re all important, but I think the best athletes/playmakers go highest, and safety is a position that can change games in a second with an INT or FF. If there is a top-15 safety available when they pick, take him. There’s enough depth at NT and OLB to pick them up later.
We’ll see….I’m so excited…
That's why drafting is such a hard thing to do
There are so many factors that can lead you to taking one player over another. I am glad it is the Tuna & company doing the picking vice me.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Me too!
Although wouldn’t it be fun? I know all of those guys are pros, but I’d like to think I couldn’t do worse than some of the GMs out there….
Just dreaming, I guess.
Yeah sometimes I think the same thing
Same thing with coaching…..but trust me, it is much easier to watch than to do. I was an assistant coach on my son’s high school football team for 3 years and when you are involved in the game on a play to play basis you tend to miss things that people who are merely watching the game see. I can imagine that being a GM is much harder when you are walking in those shoes. It would be fun for a day.
Think about fantasy football and how we all think that we know the winning formula. But only one out of 12 teams win. Things happen that we didn’t count on happening, people don’t live up to potential, injuries occur, etc.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
NT,.......
But as always,…….I trust the Trifecta
SICKER THAN MOST AND NOT A MEMBER OF THE PHINSIDER HOF......
by Ohiofinfan4life on Mar 11, 2010 2:54 AM EST reply actions
In my opinion
What i think they should do is take a run at getting Atogwe from the rams that would fill one of those holes right a way with a good player, as for NT i strongly believe we should get dan williams with pick one he seems to have star potential and now that we have feurg back he would be well mentored and a key asset for long to come, in the second round if hes still available i would love to see Arrelious Benn on our team he may be the star ginn has yet to be however if hes not available i really like Eric Norwood and feel hed be a good way to go, but thats just me.
We have NO ONE at FS
We at least have Soliai at NT with His Fergness back at the midway point, at WR we aren’t all that terrible (obv no star #1 though + Ginn blows), and OLB can we addressed later in draft, along with the fact that, hey, Cameron Wake is still around people, he’s getting better himself and looked great as a pass rusher at times last year. We need a starting FS right away, and after missing Clark and Rolle, draft is the next best option.
#54
Do you really think Solai did the job last year???
I personally we have a better shot of making Chris Clemens into a FS than we do of making Solai into a NT.
by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 11, 2010 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
I really think Soliai really improved last year.
With alot of training in the off season, Soliai could be very good this year.
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I think Soliai did alright
If I’m remembering right, our run D had a small drop-off when Fergie went down, then a bigger drop when Crowder got hurt. So with Crowder in there behind Soliai, the run D actually wasn’t that bad. Another year of working for Soliai, along with Dansby now behind him, and I think he could be solid. I’d love to have another guy rotating with him, because I think it’s smart to at least go 2 deep across the DL.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 11, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I use the term "servicable" when talking about Solai
Yu really want someone better, but he can do it well enough in a pinch.
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Good way to describe him
But there are probably those out there that would argue that Wilson was “servicable” as well. Servicable is a dangerous way to live……and luckily I think the Tuna will try to upgrade all of our “servicable” areas.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
I would definitely concur that Wilson was servicable, I fully blame the LBs
Not saying Wilson wasn’t bad or Mediocre, but he wouldn’t have been such a focal point if we had better LBs.
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biggest needs
1) NT
because its the defense most important position
2) OLB
the talent at this position right now is very limited + limited depth
concerns me quiet a bit
3) FS
to take the next step and become dominant – our young corners need
a ball hawk who can cover back there
4) WR
do we lack a No. 1 WR?? YEEEES – but our offense scored enough points
Offense should be able to score between 20-25 pts a game
Defense needs to take care of the rest and keep the score between 15-20
the guys currently on the roster are no elite talent but they get the job done
might not be flashy but it is what it is
same
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I don't know that you can necessarily rank those 3 positions individually without taking into count who is available
What I mean is that maybe the talent available with pick 12 might be better at the OLB position than it is at the FS position, especially when taking into consideration who would be available in those two positions the following round. (I.E. the talents might be equal with pick number 12 but when you get to 43 and see that there might not be any decent FSs available but there are still a few good OLB, then suddenly the FS is more important in round 1)
By the way, those are all examples not indications of where I rank positions or thoughts on who will be available. I am simply saying that value/importance will be relative to draft position and availability in future rounds.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
True.
But I think the point is that, all things being equal, that is the order of importance. If Eric Berry drops to #12, then I think FS is the pick.
Dolphins and Gators baby!
I would agree that he is the best talent on defense outside of the DT
Which we really don’t need in our 3-4. Suh would be great but still isn’t an ideal fit. Berry would be a beast for us and I would love to have him, but he won’t drop to 12, guarantee it!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
But the fact is that we can't say "all things being equal"
Because things are never equal, There are always going to be factors that will lean you into taking one position or player over another.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
there's two WR's that will be easy to get.
sign T.O, or get Marshall.
Two guys I’ve hated, but wouldn’t mind having now.
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haha
i’m starting to think the FO thinks Ginn is still a #1.
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I don't
They’re just between a rock (Ginn) and a hard place (T.O, Marshall).
Also, I just feel they’re still deciding what to do with the Turner situation. Should they give him a year to get his act together or draft a WR this season.
Give him a year since the report was he was catching everything in practice
Vincent Jackson is another example of a big WR that took a little time to develop….but look at him now (top 10 WR) with huge upside when it comes to big plays and stretching the field, opening the middle for Gates and presenting a huge mismatch physically with 95% of the CBs out there.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
T.O.?
There’s a reason most teams aren’t interested in him. I want no part of him in Miami.
by Matty I on Mar 11, 2010 7:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AMEN!!!!
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There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Mar 11, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly!!!!!
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by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
My thoughts
I know most will disagree with the first one…
1. Sign T.O. to a low salary-high incentive deal…better weather and a better QB will probably make him much more effective than last season. Plus, with the kind of contract I mentioned, the team could cut him without taking much of a hit. Owens would also take the focus off of Hartline, Bess and Camarillo, who appear to be developing well.
2. NT- need a run stopper up the middle, somebody that can consistently draw two blockers to help the DE’s and OLB’s get to the QB quicker. An improved Pass Rush would help cover most deficincies in the D-backfield.
3. OLB and DE- depth never hurts, especially if it’s a Pass Rusher..want JT back, he most likely puts up better numbers this year playing on his natural side.
4. TE- I’d like a Pass Catching TE, who can get yards in the middle of the field…guys like Witten make all the WR’s on the team better.
5. RB- Ronnie gets hurt every year and Ricky isn’t getting any younger.
6. FS- Yes, the team needs somebody..I like Myron Rolle, he has decent speed, good hitter, but he is very intelligent and will probably be able to make quicker adjustments than most…I also like that he’s a good kid and would probably be a good influence on the other younger players.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Mar 11, 2010 5:32 AM EST reply actions
right now, I really wouldn't mind T.O
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do we really need to have T.O. and worry about how he could turn on Henne if things start going bad?
Do we need him sitting there at a press conference saying “He runs the plays that are called” and looking all pouty because Henne didn’t throw him enough passes?
That’s the last thing we need.
i highly doubt that terrell owens is even a consideration for the organization at this point.....
Just one mans opinion...
by MagicDolphin on Mar 11, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
I am thankful that I haven't heard anything about us taking a look
I would rather keep our WRs the same than bring him in and risk poisoning our team
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I know
that’s why I suggested an incentive laden deal, preferably bumps for every 4 games he is with the team, if he screws up, it won’t cost much to cut him..if they need to.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Its not worth the damage that he could do to the head of Henne and the young receivers.
I have been against signing Marshall all along but TO would be a worse choice hands down.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think I said that same thing somewhere else
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
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by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Parcells...
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x1000
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by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
therefore with such perfectly rational, sensible cool logic...
expect a fanpost or three, on how we should sign TO
I have been waiting for them for the last week!
Surprised that they haven’t come yet!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
I will be surprised if its only 3.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 12, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
It will be more than 3 brother!
Then they will start again with the Marshall trade posts again. Its all just a vicious cycle!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Only interrupted by the ever present Ted Ginn sucks post.
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by texascowpunk on Mar 12, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
What would you rather have?
A good defense or a good offense?
If we get a good D, there will be less pressure on our offense.
So let’s improve this D.
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Good D all the way.
I remember us beating a certain New York team last year with more points scored by the defense and special teams than by the offense. Good Defenses can make a 13 point offense come out on top but a great offense can’t overcome a defense that gives up 30 points.
Case in point, Week 2 against Indianapolis. You can blame Ginn all you want for dropping the game winner(s) but a team scoring 27 points on your D with less than 15 minutes of possession is beyond absurd. None of us would have believed it was possible if we hadn’t seen it with our own eyes.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 11, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
I would go with D for right now. We’re just one position (WR) from completing our offense but a couple of more positions from completing our D.
Parcells will fill his defensive holes first since we’re only three positions short of becoming a great defense. And TheFinReaper made a great point of our defense falling apart in the fourth quarter. Notably against the Colts and Saints. It was Defense that lost those games not Ginn.
Ginn Helped ;-)
In all seriousness, I think the best way to say it is that Ginn didn’t win those games but it was the defense who lost them.
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by TheFinReaper on Mar 11, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would definitely agree that defense lost far more games for us than the Offense failed to win
Plus our offense should be significantly better due to the extra time learning each other since last year. I mean look how much better Henne was in the last 4 games as opposed to the first 4 games he played. Injuries withstanding, we should be at least 2 or 3 spots better offensively just based on the experience
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
reciever @ #5
the tuna will draft at the bottom for wr’s so another words offense will suffer another year and the defense will be better this year. thats why the running backs get injured every year because 60 percent of out offense is running the ball. parcells get a wr in the first round already
by miamirulez23518 on Mar 11, 2010 6:38 AM EST reply actions
TO
Im not a big TO fan but right about now he is the best available cheap. Im not against picking him up for a year or two, but rumor has it, moss is over the patriots experience so maybe next year we can pick up a great reciever for the remaining of his career.
by miamirulez23518 on Mar 11, 2010 6:42 AM EST reply actions
uggg
soliai is not the long term answer. he is an ok back up but not an every down player. there are so many holes in offense and defense right now im afraid were going to suffer threw another 500 or less season. i hope im wrong but if they dont address most everything this year our season is over before it started. sad to say, the last time i predicted that marino went down with a torn achillies tendon. i hope im wrong but it dont look promising this year.
by miamirulez23518 on Mar 11, 2010 6:54 AM EST reply actions
WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED
… DO NOT PANIC
i mean, remember 2 years ago…. our depth chart at QB McCown, Henne, Beck …
few weeks later Pennington gets cut.
NT
Adam Schefter is reporting that Raiders NT/DT Gerard Warren is due to a roster bonus of over 5mio in the next few days….he is 6’4 325 – perfect measures for a NT
does anybody know him a little better and watched the raiders???
i need a scouting report :)
Heres what they think of him over at the Siver and Black
“While Morrison is a tackling machine, any defense that only occasionally decides to tackle running backs needs to see some changes. These changes need to start up the middle.
It would be reckless to just heap all of the blame on Morrison and frankly not as much fun. A big portion of that blame can certainly be piled on the under achieving or over priced members of the interior line. First and foremost among them is Gerard Warren."
He’s bounced around quite a bit and Denver thought so little of him they traded him to a Divisonal rival and that rarely happens…who knows.
by firedanhenningnow on Mar 11, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
next please
thanks for the info.
still think we should bring in Jamal Williams, Soliai, Rookie + McDaniels (NT pass + DE)
Didn't Williams
sign with Denver?
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Mar 11, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED II
… DO NOT PANIC
FS Edition
its not as bad as it looks.
there are still tons of options:
- Sean Jones
- Brodney Pool *
- OJ Atogwe (RFA) ==> poison pile
+ we have Clemons and Culver
to be honest every game last season where i thoughed Gibril Wilson finally showed up and made some play – it was CULVER
the bengals started all of last year Chris Crooker who we dropped
and did fine – the situation is not as bad as it looks
BRODNEY POOL
is an extremly talented guy, 25, 6’2 210
in 10 games he had 4 picks
the problem with him…. he had alredy 4 concussions.
which is really bad and a red flag – BUT
lets bring in a rookie – start Pool, hope he can go the full season and develope
Clemons and the Rookie. If Pool goes down – start the more ready player.
I think it's got to be FS
We have guys to fill in roles in the other positions. Yes, we need a WR, but we at least have guys who are functional at the position. NT, Soliai will have to step up, and then Ferg comes back in week 9 or 10. At OLB, we have Wake up and coming, if we resign JT, we also have Moses and Walden who can at least provide some depth. We need to pick up someone, but I think we are at least serviceable here right now.
But, FS is now completely open. Like Matty said, the team seems to have no confidence in the abilities of Culver or Clemmons. I would like to think Clemmons will be able to play in the position, at least as well as Wilson did, but still, in a passing league, with young CBs, we need the help at the Safety position. Bell has the SS position covered, so we need to figure out the FS position as quickly as possible.
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I went with FS.
As some other people pointed out, our offense scored enough points to have been able to win most of the games we lost last year. So while we definitely need a #1 receiver, I don’t think that it is the biggest need right now.
At NT, I think that Soliai is at least decent, not great but he can get the job done. And we have Ferg coming back the second half of the season, so it’s not a massive need. I definitely don’t think that we shouldn’t address it, but there are some good prospects to be found in the later rounds of the draft. I am starting to like what I see from Cam Thomas.
As for OLB, we have Wake who is coming along and I think will be much better this year. Anderson is not terrible, even though he’s not great he provides some good depth. Like Matty said, I see us re-signing JT to keep some vet leadership and to help out Wake and the other guys. And I definitely think we’re going to get some guys for this position in the draft, probably in the first few rounds.
Getting a playmaker at FS will help out the defense so much. Someone who will actually be able to help the corners cover guys, and not put it all on their shoulders, which will also help them develop into better defenders. And if we can get someone with good ballhawking skills (*cough*Atogwe*cough*), our secondary will be solid and also free up our options in the draft. But right now we don’t really have any solid depth at FS, we have Culver or Clemmons who weren’t able to even beat out Wilson for the spot. So I think that this is definitely the biggest priority for us right now, either through free agency (*cough*Atogwe*cough*) or the draft. And the way the league has become a passing league nowadays, a ballhawking FS is a must have.
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Nose Tackle
…is the anchor of the 3-4, and without a big DT to eat up space, it throws the whole thing off. Channing and Dansby will have trouble, without a true NT, and it will affect our secondary. So, I think we definately need to address this early in the draft with either Dan Williams or Cam Thomas.
by Jonathan McCarter on Mar 11, 2010 9:12 AM EST reply actions
FS
as I said i think we need a FS but its much less important than NT and OLB
if your NT sucks
- opponents can run all day on you = you have to play man to man with the corners and use the safeties to stop the run = playaaction bombs
if your NT is dominant
- you can play your safeties deep and it doesnt make a huge differene if his name is Bethea or Culver
Highest valued position...................
Outside Linebacker.
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highest valued position
1) NT
2) OLB
3) FS
According to you...
… teams look at it differently.
Teams have to have a good passer. Then they have to protect the passer. Then they have to get to the passer.
To get to the passer, of the three you mention, OLB is the higher valued position.
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That tends to be my school of thought
Getting to the passer causes several things, most all of them positive.
1. Sacks
2. Fumbles
3. Forced throws
4. INTs
5. More possessions
6. More potential points
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would lean towards stronger OLBs in a 3-4 defense
Sure NT is important and a beast can free up the rest of the LBs to be playmakers, but a stud OLB or two can cause just as much havok, especially when pressuring the QB. Those stud OLB can also play the run as well as take pressure of the secondary by reducing the time to throw from 4 seconds down to 3 on a consistant basis.
I don’t think there is a right answer or a wrong answer to the question. I think the answer is dependant on how the draft pick ends up panning out. No NT was ever more important than LT was as an OLB. Same thing can be said for a stud NT compared to an average OLB. We can’t answer the question accurately until we see the results of the draft picks we end up taking at those positions.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
not that they aren't important.
just that i think we have some very serviceable options, combined with Nolans blitzing D, to get by at OLB this year IF we have an elite NT.
I don’t think Dumervil would have been so good if it weren’t for Nolan.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
That remains to be seen in regards to servicable OLBs
Some would argue that our NT is servicable and would be ok with more athletic ILBs and better OLBs
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Draft/FA
I think we should try for TO as much as I cannot stand him he is a big play receiver.In the draft we should take a NT first .Then we should go FS as many know the game is turning into a pure passing game with the run being more a lure to open up the pass.3rd we take a OLB to help against that pass def.
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I voted FS against my normal standards because we have to begin to believe that the NFL has turned into a passing league. But after reading all this excellent information I must change back to my origional thought of NT as our most pressing need.
Anyone who says TO should seek medical attention immediately.
Anyone who hates Ginn should have their medication and or eyeglass prescription changed. The kid single handedly beat the Jets at home last year and torched their D for a huge score in our Monday night redemption game against them as well. He is NOT a #1 or a #2 WR for that matter and embarassed himself last year playing above his position. The lack of a #1 and a #2 WR on our squad was not his fault. If we can get him to perform as a slot receiver LOOK THE F^&* OUT!! Slip him on the field as a #2 WR a few possessions a game and just send him deep and LOOK THE F^&* OUT!! His speed is uncoachable…everything else that we hate him for IS coachable. Give him 1-2 more years in the league and he is a scoring machine on offense as well as on special teams.
Anyone who says TO should seek medical attention immediately.
LOL!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
OLB is #1 need
1. OLB
2. NT
3. WR
4. FS
OLB is the biggest need SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NEED 2 STARTERS…. and better backups… making it 3 OLB’s that we need to add to this team. Hopefully JT comes back – but really he is not the long term answer anyway. Even if he comes back it would be better to keep him fresh – not to be an “Every down” OLB. WAKE has yet to prove he is a every down player.
At NT we need just 1 quality starter….WR comes in next – and really its VERY IMPORTANT for this team to move forward. You win games by scoring POINTS – and you do this in TODAYS NFL BY THE PASSING GAME….
I would draft BPA in those 3 positions first – FREE SAFETY can totally wait if we got a good starter at OLB …. a lot of good OLB’s – (Kindle/Hughes/Sapp/Weatherspoon/Muckleroy/Edds/worilds/Watson
NT – I prefer CAM THOMAS in the 2nd over DAN Williams in the first – also CAM is a little bigger and stronger (31 reps vs 27 for williams)… LINVAL JOESEPH might be the best pick of them all with 39 reps and ran better at 5.09 vs (5.17 & 5.27) He might be available in the 3rd round…OLB is deeper in this draft than NT this should also be considered…
WR – is a pretty weak class after the top 3-4….. BRYANT – TATE – BENN – THOMAS – GILYARD – LAFELL… WILLIAMS ( does anyone want another under achiever from USC)
all these guys have promise – but are they a TRUE #1 ???
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DRAFT a #1 WR now.........
dont
dont fall in love with the COMBINE
only because a player bench pressed 39 reps doesnt make him a dominant NT
its about leverage not just pure power
Word
Sometimes I hate the power the combine has over actual play time and performance
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
labrat
DUDE, you must Luv you some Teddy G…. ! OMG
Ginn is a mediocre WR – and YES his draft status as # 9 overall does hurt how he is judged – rightfully so. Ginn should be traded for as low as a 3rd rounder – We could really get some talent in this years draft with an extra 3rd rounder….. I would keep him for less than a 3rd – but he still is A SCARED LITTLE CHICKEN out there.
enough said.
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DRAFT a #1 WR now.........
ginn
so you are willing to trade away your only WR who can get behind the defense
your only WR who forces opponents to play the safeties deep and not put em into the box because they dont care about deep balls and allow them to kill our run game??
thank god you are not the GM
Do we or should we spend our #12 pick on a NT. Just as we talk about having unproven WR taken in the draft. Do we really want to use a our firts rounder on a NT.
I like Dan and Cam but will they be able to out perform Solai. Yes they looked great in college but the NFL is a whole new level of players. Everyone is at there size and speed. I say OLB and like many have said this will hopefully get the pressure we need on the QB with Porter gone we should be able to see wha twe really have in Wake and having Taylor playing on the side he’s most comfortable with should help out pass russh a great deal. (that is if Taylor makes it back). If not OLB then get a FS either through the draft or Atogwe through FA. Other than that trade down for more picks. Second scenario just give Denver the pick and get MArshall here. He young he’s proven and if we can deal with Porter for two years we can put up with Marshall and if anything place a stipulation in his contract that allows us to get rid of him at any time if starts acting stupid. Show him the money. Forget the umbrella for the stadium and give the money too Marshall and the fans will pay to come and watch the Henne/ Marshall show.
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its a very good point
keep in mind that in the last years the so called “DOMINANT” DT / NT
failed
Glen Dorsey?
Sedrick Ellis?
etc etc
by Crowder 911 on Mar 11, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
sorry man, but this is just not right
Neither Dorsey nor Ellis have “failed”.
And neither have been consistently played at NT.
Dorsey was only expected to be a 4-3 three technique DT, but his first year with the Chiefs saw them lining him up head on against O-linemen. He has flashed talent, but has been playing out of position for most of his first two seasons.
Ellis, while projected as a three technique DT, could probably play NT. However, he has been moved between the two positions for his first season and will benefit from focusing on playing DT this coming year (as is expected). Even so, Ellis got very good reviews for his rookie season. He was extremely dominant when he played, being labeled the “centerpiece” of the Saints D. The only negative for the rookie was getting injured.
and etc. etc. doesn’t count as a valid example.
;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Taylor was ranked as one of the best OLB vs the run
He really played good against the run which surprised alot of people, myself included. I hope that we resign him for at least one more year. But we also need to upgrade OLB via the draft.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really believe in FA as much as the draft
You don’t tend to get your value in the FA as opposed to drafting talent and developing talent
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I voted for the nose...
tackle, that is.
In Culver or Clemons, the dolphins at least have two guys who are no worse than the player they are replacing…Gerbil.
With NT though, Soliai is definitely not as good as Ferg, even an oft-injured, 35 year old Ferg. It is IMO, a glaring deficiency.
I hear the argument that it is a passing league, hence there’s more of a premium of having talent in the secondary. I frequently am one to press the argument that yes, it is a passing league. No argument there.
However, in a passing league, one of the worse things you can do is allow teams that would normally be one-dimensional against you….that is, pass-pass-pass…..to now have the option of passing AND running wild against your defense. It also allows those teams with so-so passing games, like the jets and bills, to open up the play action and other passes when they are able to run up the middle successfully.
I think the fact that Miami resigned Ferg, even though he’ll only be available for 8 games says quite a bit. Soliai has been here several years and one of the few relics of the cam-cam era draft. He’s a nice backup really and that’s all.
I’d say both NT & S are the key holes. No doubt if S was not a big hole, Miami would not have seriously tried to woo Clark & Rolle. But between safety and NT, I’d go with NT as a more pressing need as we have less in the way of options on the roster at that spot (Soliai) than we do at S (Culver, Clemons).
by Natalya on Mar 11, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think it says the opposite...
… the fact that the Dolphins know that J Ferg is only available in the second half, that they are comfortable with Soliai and Baker in the first half of the season. Yes, they will draft a NT, but not in the first round. And also a Safety, but not in the first round.
… I don’t think the run stopping defense will be that bad with Dansby and Crowder. Like I say, teams have to have a good passer. Then they have to protect the passer. Then they have to get to the passer. To get to the passer, of the two you mention, OLB is the higher valued position, not FS. Kind of like, getting to the guy shooting the bullet, rather than having to defend the bullet.
Free agent pick-ups would have been nice, but not the end all…
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If Soliai/Baker are guys you are confident in...
then why bother with a 36-year old, oft-injured, and twice suspended NT?
If you have confidence in the younger guys then I’d think you would move on.
As far as getting to the passer – definitely a 15 sack guy is worth more in this league than a top safety. The only thing I’ll say there is: a) they might expect to resign JT and use him as a spot pass rusher in addition to playing on the strong side, and b) they expect cameron wake to be better, which he was on a per snap production basis, than Porter last year.
So if I read into your comments right, you expect an OLB to be picked at 12? I’d say that’s possible and certainly I expect the 12 pick to be one of an OLB-S-NT. I would however be shocked if they take a RB or WR.
I would be more than shocked if they went offense with the 12th pick
That would go against everything the Tuna believes in (especially considering we really don’t need OL at that level, because we know that OL is as valuable as any position on the field)
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
no way dude.
In spite of all the arguments to the contrary, if you have a pocket pusher at Nose in a 3-4, everything else works. you don’t rely on the ILBs to stop the run by themselves – they need protection from the O-linemen. With the SAME LBs last season, and just the difference in NTs when Ferg went out, the run defense was significantly worse.
But the more important aspect is the pressure created in the Pass Defense with an effective NT. A NT collapsing the pocket creates havoc for the passing game plan by forcing the QB to improvise. If the QB can’t step up, the WRs don’t have time for deep routes…. OLBs have time to get to the QB…. and ILBs and SS are freed up to cover short crossing routes… not to mention that it creates more opportunity for poor throws and interceptions.
And BTW, Ferg is not even an elite NT. He is solid, but not really a pocket collapsing kind of guy. He holds the point of attack well, but you don’t expect him to get sacks. How well do you think our young CBs would perform this year with a guy at Nose who can shove the Center right down a QBs throat?
As always, just my opinion. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ferg: 25th out of 75 or so Full-time 3-4 NT's.
That makes him solid, as you said, but hardly elite or above average. I think we need someone that’s an upgrade over Ferg, and Soliai if anything is actually a step backwards…
Won't argue that....
But is that upgrade needed any worse than the upgrade at FS or OLB?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agree and Rec'd!
Well said. You nailed it. Not bad for a girl.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Its great to see how much difference there is in everyones opinion
And that is coming from what I consider some of the more intelligent fan bases in the NFL. Everyone has valid points, opinions and wish lists!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah and I think we are going to find out soon enough..
because it is no secret what our needs are, it is more a question of what priority the FO gives each spot.
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by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I picked NT as our most need right now
I’m not a NFL football guru or a 3-4 aficionado. But in looking at the 3-4 scheme the two most important positions are NT and FS. NT being the most due to everything starts up front. If the NT can’t cause havoc up front I don’t care if you had Sharper or any hall of famer FS they’re going to be as useful as screen door in a submarine.
I’m comfortable with Soliai but if we can get top prospect NT the trigger must be pulled. Parcells loves big uglies he’s MO from the beginning is building human walls in the trenches. He’s pretty much finished with the offensive side of the trenches now he’s going to start with finishing with the defense. And he now has a lot of reasons (Starks) to do it.
FS, yes I would agree there’s a hole there. But we have Culver and Clemons who are still developing. I’m in the camp of not drafting another FS this season. It takes time to mature a ball hawking, captain of the secondary FS. Drafting another FS we’ll prolong that process. I’m kind of cool with picking up a FS in®FA but with that has it’s own can of worms in it of self and one worm is named Gerbil Wilson.
Get Laverneus Coles and a #1 Type reciever as a rookie
Get Coles
Get NT in the draft (1st round)
Get a potential #1(2nd round)
Coles could show the ropes to the rookies as well as our unexperienced bunch of WR’s we got now.
WR no longer most glaring hole
Last year and this off season, as soon as it became painfully obvious that Ginn is not #1 material, I have been focused on the #1 WR spot as our most glaring need.
With the current holes at FS, NT, &LB, I am afraid WR now must take a back seat.
I completely trust the Tri-TUNA team to fill in these D holes through the draft and some 2nd/3rd tier free agents. With that said, what we may be seeing is that the Team Tri-TUNA believes we may just get more this season from CamWake, Culver, Clemmens, and even McDaniel (who played great last few games) than most of us fans think. At least I hope so, cause on paper we have wider holes than a recently gang-banged crack whore.
Either way, we must bring in young draftees to compete at these D position before we spend a high draft pick on Dez or another WR in rds 2 or 3.
Lots of teams have been very very successful with great D’s and just adequate WR’s. I am afraid our D must take priority over our #1 WR search until further notice.
I am a huge Ginn-basher. However, I have to admit that if he was a 5th rounder I would be hear wrting that if we can just teach him to stop running out of bounds, he may just develop into something. You can’t coach speed. But you can coach a player to stop playing like a p*ussy.
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old slow coles...NOT
We do not need a 6th #2pr #3 WR on our roster. If we sign a WR it must be an explovice playmaker. I have no issues with the work ethic of our WR’s. They all max their abilities except for GInn and his family. Coles is not needed for that role.
Coles would be a complete waste. Need an explosive WR. Not another 10 yard and out WR.
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WR over NT, OLB, FS
All 4 positions are really high on the list of needs. Our current receivers are good, but not great. We have lacked a number one receiver for years maybe since the days of O.J McDuffie…even that is pushing it. Chad (either one) needs a big threat to throw to in crucial situations and long downs. We need to start picking up chuck yardage and more first downs. This in turn opens up our rather great running game (when healthy). The days of driving down the field in 12-15 plays needs to stop. Yes our defense was awful, but that is why we brought in Nolan. He had nothing to work with in Denver and look how that turned out. He will instantly upgrade our D just being our coordinator. Our offense isn’t built to come from behind. Putting up 20-24 points a game isn’t going to cut it. It’s time to add that one threat to our offense so we may actually move down the field at a consistent level. The rest will take care of itself.
We need to stop people from scoring more than picking up chunk yardage!
I don’t care what position we take defensively in the 1st round as long as it is DEFENSE!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
NT, OLB WR and FS
in that oder
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FS is biggest
FS, NT, OLB, then WR. Earl Thomas ROUND 1. We can even trade down for an extra 3rd rounder and still get this guy. He is ranked by some as better than Berry. If he was taller he would be by everyone. Cam Thomas ROUND 2. One of the best NT’s available. Now with 2 3rd rounders go Eric Norwood OLB and Pat Angerer ILB. Norwood can do more then just pass rush. He can cover and better against the run then our OLBs right now. This would make our defense tons better in 3 rounds. Then you can switch to offense. Jimmy Graham TE in the 4th. Eric Decker WR 6th. The other picks in the 6th go for OT depth and another OLB. 7th LaMarcus Coker RB and then another depth position be it WR or something else. Shore up our defense first. That is the biggest weakness and it cost us the playoffs.
Draft Earl Thomas Bandwagon!
Darren Sharper?
Why not? Am I missing something?
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
I am all for Sharper at a reasonable price for a year or two
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
This^
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by texascowpunk on Mar 12, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
I am shocked, SHOCKED that more people haven't said outside linebacker!!
guys, a great pass rush can mask problems in coverage, and a 3-4 can’t rely on lineman to generate that rush. Randy starks was our best pass rusher last year, if you measure by consistent, disruptive (and timely) pressure, and this D—a Parcells D—can’t function that way. We need qb huntin’ drive killin’ outside LBs. Maybe Cam will be one, maybe not, but if we don’t take an outside LB with one of our first two picks—preferable #12—I will effin puke.
Now, I know we need a nose, and preferably that is the other of the first two. Our WRs are decent, and I’d rather have a decent group of wideouts and a killer set of linebackers than vice versa any day of the week.
If we have a weak NT they can run and/or pass at their leisure.
A rock solid (pun intended) NT stops the run, forces the pass, hence we know it’s coming. It’s too easy to see two OLB’s marginalized by draws, &c.
Parcell’s D or no, in the 3-4 the NT is the epicenter (weak pun intended) of the D.
R will reply to the comment that has focus
Strong ILBs can make up for marginal NT play against the run
As well as good tackling SS. Sure the defense will never be top 10 against the run with just an average NT but they can be decent with fast, athletic, ILBs. Now the question will be which Crowder shows up (the one from 2008 who was great, or the one from 2009 who was horrible) and how good is Dansby going to be?
It is an arguement that can’t be won without the end results to grade and since you can’t do a Design of Experiment (essentially trying a couple games with the different players in the different positions). What I mean is we will never know what would be the best way to go without being able to draft the “best” NT available while settling for players in the OLB from later rounds and watch how the defense performs. Then try it with drafting the best OLBs first while filling the NT need from the later rounds and see how that pans out in the actual games. Since we can’t have mulligans this debate will last forever…..or at least until our draft pick, in whatever position the FO choses, actually plays while at the same time we watch the players “we could have had” instead and see how they perform. Even then, the ultimate grade can’t be determined usually for at least 3 years, giving the draft picks time to develop.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
strong ILB can make up for marginal NT against the run
…. THATS EXACTLY WHY ALL TE’s LOVE TO COME TO MIAMI
when your NT sucks – your ILB are busy in stopping the run and cleaning up the NTs mess – thats when you will get burned by Tight Ends. Then you need to focus with the Safeties on the TEs = WR man to man = bomb = TD
NT is the centerpiece
They can make up for marginal play against the pass too
No one is saying it isn’t a centerpiece. All I am saying is you can get by without either one to a degree if you have a stud in the other areas….at the same time, one area is going to suffer regardless of which way you go.
If you don’t have strong OLBs to pressure, your CBs and safeties are going to get eaten alive because you don’t get pressure (and no, you can’t rely on pressure to come from the NT on a consistant basis, especially on passing downs). Sure the ILBs will do a better job because they are freed up to worry about the TE, but now your lack of pressure due to average OLBs (and we don’t even know if they will be average with the crew we currently have on our roster) will kill you when it comes to covering WRs
Your arguement is valid too….sure up your OLB, and your effectiveness against the run goes down hill due to average NT support. Sure you might be getting pressure on the QB with your stud OLBs but now the TEs are killing you. That isn’t even taking into consideration the support of the safety position and what we have or haven’t done there.
Stud up your ILB crew and you are splitting the difference. I don’t get consistant pressure on the QB causing the DBs to get killed. Struggle with covering the TEs because they are worrying about the run, and the NT is only average which hurts the run defense.
Bottom line there is always the potential for bad things. Which answer is right? Hell who knows. I am only looking at it from one point of view. Which position can impact more plays? Everyone says we are going to a passing league and if that is the case then the OLB impacts more plays than the NT will impact, especially considering there are always 2 on the field at the same time.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
we don't have a weak NT
we have an average NT, and an old one who’s going to miss the first half of the season. We don’t have a STARTER at OLB.
History has demonstrated that you don’t need a stud NT. Good yes—-better than Soliai, yes. But you need some serious disruptive players on the outside.
Yeah, things start with the nose, but an average/above average nose+stellar linebackers CAN equal a a great D, while a stud nose+crappy LBs can’t.
by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 12, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I lean towards more value being at studs in the OLB position
Over a NT stud. Does anyone even remember who played up front with Lawrence Taylor? Nope, but people do remember is other counterpart at LB (Carson for those too young to know what I am talking about)
I think disruptive OLBs can change the game far more than a disruptive NT. I mean all an offense needs to do is role the pocket and that NT won’t have a bit of impact on passing plays at all. Plus those stud OLBs do assist in the running game. Of course all of this is my own opinion which means the exact same as every other person on this site….very little!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
team needs
if the front office would stop wasting time, go after jermaine phillips, erases fs need, and wacky idea, but sign t.o. for the year!then focus on nose tackle, olb! =D …wacky and a distant idea, but why not!
>>> IMPORTANCE <<<<
biggest needs
1) NT
because its the defense most important position
if your nose sucks opponents will run on you all day = ILB are busy cleaning up the mess
busy ILB = TE will catch balls all over the field cause ILB are focus on stopping run
TE catching balls = Safeties need to clean up the ILBs meess
busy FS + SS = Corners are forced to play man to man = deep balls = TD bombs
2) OLB
the talent at this position right now is very limited + limited depth
concerns me quiet a bit
OLB need to create pressure to the QB. you can have Ed Reed, Polamalu, Revis + Asomogha in your backfield with no pressure even they suck cause a corner can only cover for so and so much time.
3) FS
to take the next step and become dominant – our young corners need
a ball hawk who can cover back there
with a stud NT and OLB’s who can get pressure – players like Culver and Clemons will look like pro bowl FS
4) WR
do we lack a No. 1 WR?? YEEEES – but our offense scored enough points
Offense should be able to score between 20-25 pts a game
Defense needs to take care of the rest and keep the score between 15-20
the guys currently on the roster are no elite talent but they get the job done
might not be flashy but it is what it is
I agree with everything except for one thing
I would rank the OLB #1 and the NT as #2 . Everything else you said i would echo
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
hmmmm
i guess that depends on the defensive system.
the problem you have when you get no pressure trough the middle and only with the LB
opponents will use TE + RB to kill your OLB pressure and the bombs will be coming
i think its a combination of both
NT is crutial vs the RUN
OLB against the pass
but i agree that you need OLB vs the run and NT also against the Pass
lets say
1.1) NT
1.2 )OLB
:)
But I don't comprimise
In my world it would be
1. OLB
2. NT
3. OLB
4. FS
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 12, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
safety
I think we draft a safety at round 1 and nosetackle at 2. We can get berry thomas or mays at 12 and suh thomas williams or mr ecu at 2. If it goes that way we have 2 immediate starters and future playmakers. Youngest d in nfl but loaded with talent.
by Dolphin13 on Mar 12, 2010 10:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
drugs??
suh / williams in round 2???
you should really stop smoking that much weed
by Crowder 911 on Mar 12, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
One or both of those guys will be there. Not everyone needs a nt especially bad enough to take them in round 1
by Dolphin13 on Mar 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OLB -better than you think
I think our OLB position will pan out far better than many of last few posters believe:
1. CamWake- I see future stud in CamWake. His future is now. I am predicting a huge year from Cam. His havoc creation vs. # of downs played last year was outstanding. He’s got the goods. When Porter said-“who you gonna play over me, Cam Wake”?—I thought Damn straight!
2. JT - Tuna just doesnt seem to have enough love & respect for JT. He still has one more decent year in him and certainly can provide outside QB pressure.Pay tat man ’es money.
If nothing else, like Pennigton, services rendered.
3. Dansby- reports say that he is fexible enough to play both inside and outside. Depending on the outcome of the draft, Dansby will give us great versitility on a play by play basis
4. Crowder-should play much closer to the 08 version with the addition of Dansby.
5. Draft- all reports say that this is the deepest LB draft in many years. If we can add 2 young middle round young bucks with into the mix it will provide added flexibility and allow our existing talent to play to their strenghts.
6. Nolan- better chef with better indegrients than last year.
I agree with all that LB position is critical. Unless I am way off base on CamWAke I see in a good position to make LB a team strength.
"Expect nothing. Blame no one. Do Something!"-Bill parcells
I like it MDPHINFan...except for...
the Crowder bit. He is what we think he is! say get McClain in rd 1. I caught quite a few Bama games last season and Nick “Satan” used McClain as a ILB as well as put him outside to blitz/rush the passer on given passing downs. I think he can be as versitile as Dansby which means Nolan can move those two guys around all game long. That = QB’s screwing up protection calls and us having free runners at the qb…….ie, our front making our DB’s look better.
big opps
I didn’t mean to say suh I meant mount cody. Haha I’m not that high. My apologies
by Dolphin13 on Mar 12, 2010 5:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
W-Receiever
Our Def. was not as bad as the season made it look. If the off. would have made more 1st downs and scored more than 6 Receiving TD’s the Def would not have been so tired all the time and fatigued by the end of the third quarter giving up leads. I think the Def should be addressed but the question was what was most important. DEFENSE is very important but our defense was better than our offense last year.
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