My Humble Opinion so Far About Offseason
Well so far I've read many interesting and insightful toughts from many people (of course I've also read some nonsense and idiotic but that doesn't matter) about Draft and FA.
My intention is to bring some debate to the table and I want to state from the beginning that I have no favorites for the #12 th pick, actually the players i like the most are 3 rounders probably.
First of all After bringing Karlos Dansby McClain is not to be picked at 12. I tend to disagree If he shows value today at his pro day (4.74 40-time) he very well could make a monster tandem with Dansby in the middle for years to come.
The Spiller idea is SEXY I can't deny it, but sexy not necessarily becomes great, Spiller is not Chris Johnson just as Dez Bryant is not Fitz nor Andre. Spiller is a two down back we already have two better RBs in Brown and Ricky and as I have said before I rather take Ben Tate (one of my two favorites) in the 3rd or 4th than getting stuck in the glitter of the sexy pick.
The only thing that I'm sure is we will pick a NT with one of first three picks. Suspended or not Ferg is going to be trainning so he can teach whoever rookie to come. Is Ferg not up to expectation or simple not able to play by mid season he can be cut or put on IR. I'm pretty confident his contract is nothing to be atonish.
Side note: Terrance Cody cut another 6 pounds when weighted today he is below 350 now the guy is showing commitment to himself and to the game. If he keeps this trend and lets say he tops in 340 the guy will be valuable of an early 2nd rounder IMO (ring a bell).
The Wide Receiver issue is deep, no one left in FA is a #1 the RFA who are #1 are too expensive or have som Red Flags here and there, the sexy pick Dez Bryant he showed greatness but has Red Flags either. But in fact I'm leaning toward to believe WR will not be "the" priority I see us going for a WR not before the 3rd round. Thats not Dez, not Benn, not Tate, not Williams probably not Demaryus (DAMN). Decker, Gyliard could be. Why? Well I tend to agree the FO probably felt they address this thing the past draft with 2 WR, they will wait for Turner to pan out and actually we did fine with our current corps.
This brings me to the not sexy pick which I think is most likely OLB or FS: We are lacking rushers OLB has no depth at all Taylor is aging and as much as I love the guy his productivity will fall sooner than later. Wake, Moses and Anderson have promise but also hve proven nothing to be granted a starting job. So we have helluva hole there.
After missing on Rolle and Clark everyone is looking at Atogwe as a solution. But why he isn't being pursued by other teams? Is there something hidden about him? Something is just not good. So we are adressing FS in the draft.
So if we are going to address OLB, NT, FS and WR in the draft due to lack of quality FA in the market my guess is:
1st OLB/FS
2nd FS/OLB/NT
3rd NT/FS/WR (OLB is not beyond the 2nd)
4th WR/TE
5th 6th 7th (Don't have a clue)
Don't sleep on a move for a TE, Owen Daniels or Greg Olsen would be as good as get a proven WR for this team.
I'm ready to take all the bash so bring it on.
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i dig wat u saying mexican. i hope people understands how critical a great ball catching TE is to a offense. it will cost us a 2nd for olsen, but i dont mind, dont no about daniels. i want a feared offense. yall may not like my opinion on this but im sure u will let it b known. i know draft picks r precious but we have to put them somewhere so how about this yr 1st. next yr 1st or 2nd to dallas for austin and marcus spears who is the same mold as fergie.
I guess a 1st and 2nd for both a proven NT and a proven WR is not bad deal.
The main problem is Dallas trading those guys who actually are cornerstones for their future.
there is a proven TE still out there JP Foschi he is the Best of the Cincinnatti TE's last year (27 recepyions)
jp could help henne his hand’s are exceptional goes across the middel with ease floots like a butterfly sting’s like a bee!!!!!!
bengals donot want to give him the leauge minimum now i here its 5 or 6 hundred thousands which is noda!!!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
So who would you pick for your first four FINS picks?
1st: Earl Thomas S; 2nd: Lamarr Houston NT/DE; 3rd: Jimmy Graham TE; 4th: Emmanuel Sanders WR; 6A: Stevenson Sylvester ILB; 6B: Adrian Tracy OLB; 6C: Scott Long WR; 7A: Thomas Austin G/C; 7B: DeMarcus Granger NT;
LOL I knew someone will ask
My picks as right now would be:
1st Earl Thomas / Brandon Graham
2nd Jerry Hughes / Cam Terrance Cody (Gambling here)
3rd Linval Joseph / Major Wright / Demaryus Thomas
4th Jimmy Graham / Ben Tate
Spears is tendered as a 1st round original, but would probably let him go for less
perhaps a player like Tony McDaniel?
1st: Earl Thomas S; 2nd: Lamarr Houston NT/DE; 3rd: Jimmy Graham TE; 4th: Emmanuel Sanders WR; 6A: Stevenson Sylvester ILB; 6B: Adrian Tracy OLB; 6C: Scott Long WR; 7A: Thomas Austin G/C; 7B: DeMarcus Granger NT;
i would to i like williams, but i think if pair a couple of picks is r best shot at getting a top wr and a very good dt, and there proven, we no wat we r getting
nice insight, +1
Driving the "Get Vincent Jackson" Bandwagon.
"Faster than a speeding walrus" -Me.
"Violence is not the answer, it's the question; the answer is YES!!!"
There is NO WAY the FO doesn't address the "NEED" position of WR this offseason
either via FA, trade or early in the draft.
This isn’t gonna be a popoular opinon, but I’m gonna say it:
This OLD saying that defense wins championships is just that OLD. Offense wins championships in todays NFL. The Patriots almost went undefeated by rolling people. Peyton and Colts won the Championship by rolling the defense led bears. Saints won the Championship by (yes a improved defense) but mostly by their offense.
Bottome line:
The rules have changed to really favor the offense and we better recognize it. Offense wins Championships in TODAYS NFL. Ireland already said we need “chunk players” on offense and to think we won’t address it this offseason is just ludacris.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"The Icon"
Neo I truly respect your opinion.
I’m not proposing this scenario because I think defense wins Championships but glaring needs NT, OLB and FS are voids whiles WR has players that fills the position.
Again thats sexy. And sexy sells but not necessarily brings something good
I'm not saying our defense doen't need to be addressed
I totally agree with you there. But there is a glaring need for a #1 WR too. And in no way does NT, LB, and FS more important than the WR need just because they are on defense. We a have players/bodies at WR but thats it. Only one WR caught 50 balls last year for us. And alot of us want to seemingly forget all the d@mn balls they dropped. I’m not forgetting it. And in case nobody here has seem to notice the NYJ has probably the top 2 CB tandom in the league. We are gonna have to move the ball.
Please listen to me. Ricky is 33. Ronnie is NOT gonna be the Ronnie of old next year. I promising you this. We are gonna have to move the ball. And we don’t have the means to do that. Remember we struggled in 08 moving the ball. Hell we struggled half of 09 moving the ball. Just because we did “alright” half the season last year doesn’t mean our offense is fixed. We were 20th in passing offense. 20th people
Recognize only 2 teams (2) in the top 10 in passing (Houston and Pitt) didn’t make the playoffs.
12 teams made the playoffs last year.
Packers – Offense
Cards – Offense
Colts – Offense
Eagles – Offense
Chargers – Offense
Vikes – Offense
Saints – Offense
Jets – Defense (luck)
Pats – Offense
Cowboys – Offense
Bengals – Offense
Ravens – Defense
Ten (10) got in by their Offense. Thats 10. One got in by defense (Ravens). And another was “let” in (Jets), but you can say defense.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"The Icon"
Well lets look at this from the 12 teams in the playoff in 2009
Def. Pts Off. Pts
Packers 7th 3rd
Cards 14th 11th
Colts 8th 7th
Eagles 19th 5th
Chargers 11th 4th
Vikes 10th 2nd
Saints 20th 1st
Jets 1st 17th
Pats 5th 6th
Cowboys 2nd 14th
Bengals 6th 22nd
Ravens 3rd 9th
From what I see in the scoring Offense and Defense most of the teams had balance:
Vikes, Pats, Ravens, Packers, Colts and Chargers are Top 12 in both categories.
Cards are well balanced as well.
Cowboys, Bengals and Jets relied in Defense this season
Just Saints and Eagles relied only in Offense.
Also as you can see from those 12 teams 9 are in the top ten in Both Categories
So I don’t think this is a Offense Driven league, YES Saints are champions but that doesn’t mean the best offense will always win.
So if we have 3 holes in Def and 1 in Off I think we at leas have to address two in the D befor turning to the O
I respect your argument
but gonna still have to disagree.
YES Saints are champions but that doesn’t mean the best offense will always win.
You are correct. But having the best defense doesn’t mean you will always win. At least having a good offense you are in ALL your games. Doesn’t much matter how many points your down, you always have a chance. If you face a offense that is torching your defense and you can’t move the ball, all you can do is ride it out.
You actually think our offense only has 1 hole? Really? We agree we need a #1 WR. I think we need a upgraded at TE. Fasano had some moments, but he leaves much to be desired. Ronnie is coming back from his 2nd major surgery in 2 years. He is not gonna be the Ronnie of old. You want to tell me he is gonna come back and have the year that he was having last year? I hope not. Ricky is almost 100. If Ronnie has problems coming back from his injury, which is not hard to believe. And Ricky shows his age, do you know how rare it is for a RB of his age to do what he did last year, where are then?
Like I have been saying, Our offense is not fixed. No sir, not even close.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"The Icon"
You are right about Ronnie, Ricky, TEs and WR
We certainly an use and Upgrade over the current people. But my point here is we at least have starters in each of those positions RB, TE WR have starters. We don’t have FS starter we don’t have WOLB and SOLB starter (Taylor is a FA and is te only Starter right now) nor we have a starter at NT (Soliai is a backup).
So as much as I agree with you our offense is not fixed, I see as a more glaring need the Defensive side right now.
Actually I’m enjoying your arguments so much. Belive me when I say I really want to see playmakers in the offense. If the FO brings them WELCOME. I just see our D has more problems right now.
I don't consider this a "argument"
Its just a discussion of different views. A actual discussion. Imagine that. Listen you want more defense, I want more offense, both is needed. I would perfer for them to go offense but I’m not gonna go around stomping my feet if they get a NT, Safety or such. Its all needed ya know?
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"The Icon"
Now we agree
All is needed. What I want is to see our team winning and gettin into the playoffs in a constant basis. Via defense or offense I don’t care. Bring those titles home.
Nice post agree with alot of it.
The closer we get to the draft the more i lean to Dan Williams at #12. Starting to think by the time we pick are second,all NT (that might be able to start) will be gone.
Good point on the TE
We need an upgrade at TE…..any thoughts on trying to get Martellus Bennett out of Dallas. He seems stuck behind Jason Witten and could probably be had for a 3rd rd pick (instead of Olsen for a 2nd).
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Mar 10, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions
How about offer to exchange picks with Dallas for Martellus Bennett and a 5th rounder?
Miami would have the #27 pick in the first round: not too soon to pick Earl Thomas or Sean Weatherspoon or Brandon Graham…
1st: Earl Thomas S; 2nd: Lamarr Houston NT/DE; 3rd: Jimmy Graham TE; 4th: Emmanuel Sanders WR; 6A: Stevenson Sylvester ILB; 6B: Adrian Tracy OLB; 6C: Scott Long WR; 7A: Thomas Austin G/C; 7B: DeMarcus Granger NT;
I would do that. Marty B. still has a lot of upside.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Mar 10, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well I disagreed with much of it but being a nice guy I just did not say anything.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 10, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well everyone on here should at the very least try and be polite towards other Phin fans.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Come on I know u want to rip my post apart
Why holding yourself, also this post is intended to generate debate
No, just because I disagree with something you say does not make
it wrong. Now I will call out someone if they say something asinine. I am more than happy to debate with someone when I see something that I would like to debate. I will not submit to forced debate!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
But thats different. Thats required.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I just notice no one have said it so far.
I was also expecting Nicky coming and saying Spiller was the only answer at numer 12 but none of that happened.
I dont believe that he thinks thats the only option. Its just his preference.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha ,lmao, still ithought you left it all on the posts!!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 11, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Meaning?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
OR how about exchanging picks in the Second Round for Bennett and then...
match the 2nd round tender for Domenik HIxon of the Giants. Hixon and Hartline. Sounds good too.
Second round pick nets a potential TE superstar and a deep threat for a Wide Receiver with more size than Ted Ginn.
1st: Earl Thomas S; 2nd: Lamarr Houston NT/DE; 3rd: Jimmy Graham TE; 4th: Emmanuel Sanders WR; 6A: Stevenson Sylvester ILB; 6B: Adrian Tracy OLB; 6C: Scott Long WR; 7A: Thomas Austin G/C; 7B: DeMarcus Granger NT;
Note: Dallas could then risk taking a flyer on Jimmy Graham to be the eventual replacement for Witten.
1st: Earl Thomas S; 2nd: Lamarr Houston NT/DE; 3rd: Jimmy Graham TE; 4th: Emmanuel Sanders WR; 6A: Stevenson Sylvester ILB; 6B: Adrian Tracy OLB; 6C: Scott Long WR; 7A: Thomas Austin G/C; 7B: DeMarcus Granger NT;
Bennett is a great option
I’m an Aggie, and Ive seen him play many times. Great size, good hands, and lots of raw athletic talent. We were sad when he went for the draft after his junior year.I would love to see him play for the Fins.
I think if possible we should contact Denver
And offer them next years 1st rounder (especially since the next class will have better options at the position) and maybe if he performs well another pick like Green Bay did with the Jets. It takes too long to develop a WR, BM is ready now and so is the rest of the offense. But we need a NT now, we need a FS soon and depth at LB is essential to this defense. Also I would also like to gamble and take the kid from Syracuse. His name escapes me, but only in the 6th or 7th round. he has all the intangibles but he has red flags. he would be a decent gamble for a late round pick or even as a walk on. I mean hell it has worked out pretty well for Devonne Bess. But I wouldnt mind seeing Ted Ginn traded or even Camarillo for an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder, Just putting it out there.
I don't think we address NT until the later rounds (after the 4th)
If we’re able to snag that veteran presence we want at FS, we can really do some things.
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