Pondering the re-signing of Jason Ferguson
The big story out of Miami on Tuesday was the Dolphins' decision to bring back veteran nose tackle Jason Ferguson despite the recent news that he is facing an eight game suspension for violating the NFL's policy on performance-enhancing drugs. Of course, the move has generated a rather big debate among many Dolphin fans, some of which are wondering why the Dolphins would bring back a 35 year old nose tackle who is rehabbing from injury and is now likely out for the first half of the 2010 season due to this suspension.
I can't say I blame them for questioning this decision.
But before we jump the gun, it's important to note that we really don't know enough about Ferguson's suspension. The term "performance-enhancing drug" is pretty vague. Ferguson could have been suspended for taking weight-loss medication. Or he could have been taking some kind of substance that would help him recover faster from his quadriceps surgery. Or he could have taken some substance that he didn't even know was banned.
Or he could have taken steroids.
The point is that we really have no idea what he took or the circumstances surrounding the suspension. However, cheating is cheating and Jason is 100% responsible for whatever he did. Pro athletes have got to know what they can and can't put in their own body. Ferguson got caught - for the second time in his career, that is - and now he must pay the price.
With all that said, I'd imagine Ferguson - who has a great relationship with Bill Parcells - sat down with this front office and explained in detail why he was suspended. Perhaps the Dolphins know something we don't. Maybe they know Jason is planning an appeal and think his suspension could be reduced.
Or maybe Bill Parcells is just too loyal to "his guys." And that's exactly what Ferguson is.
"In Parcells' world, loyalty is important. That's why loyalty is the best way to explain why the Dolphins re-signed Ferguson to an undisclosed deal Monday," writes Omar Kelly.
So is Bill's loyalty blinding him? Was this a good move for the Dolphins?
I think there are positives and negatives to the move. Some of the possible negatives include:
- The fear of having a player with two PED suspensions around some of the young, impressionable players on this team.
- The front office becoming complacent with the state of the nose tackle position on this team. I really hope the Dolphins do not decide to avoid addressing the need at NT because they know that Ferguson will be returning for the second half of the season.
- The money handed to Ferguson. The Dolphins are already paying $2.5 million to a supposed "3rd string quarterback." Now they're giving out more of Stephen Ross's money to a player who won't be playing for half of the season.
- The idea that the front office is filled with hypocrites. Bill Parcells has said he doesn't want any "thugs or hoodlums" on this team. But this roster has a couple of guys who have been arrested and now will have a two-time PED offender. And yet, this is the same front office that doesn't want to acquire any players from outside the organization who have questionable character issues. It just doesn't look good.
After saying all that, I will admit that I believe the pros do outweigh the cons here. Some of the positives include:
- Being a great guy to have in the locker room, despite the two PED suspensions. He's well-liked and considered a consummate professional, two suspensions not withstanding. I'd imagine Jason will make it a point to address the team and explain what happened, taking full responsibility for his actions.
- Being a mentor for Paul Soliai and/or any other young nose tackle that is brought in. What he's learned in his 10+ seasons in the league would be invaluable to helping develop a future nose tackle. It's a tough position to transition to from college and anything he could teach young nose tackles would be huge.
- Having a fresh nose tackle coming back to the team midway through the season for the playoff push. He won't take up a roster spot on the 53-man roster until his suspension is over. And when he does finally come back, the Dolphins will have an experienced veteran nose tackle with a fresh body to step into the nose tackle rotation.
So that's a little bit of my hopefully coherent rambling on this subject. I'll be very interested in learning how much money this contract is worth. But for now, I can't say I'm against the move. But I'm certainly not 100% for it. Put me down as "somewhat" in favor of the move.
So what about all of you?
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Somewhat, yes.
Too much inside info we don’t know. Come mid-season he’ll be worth his weight in “ped’s.”
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I agree, this isn't a bad move
assuming that Ferguson stays in shape during his suspension, he’ll be fresh at mid-season when it’ll be most important. I bet alot of 35 year old players wish they could take the 1st half off!!
I don't mind really
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by DPL3 Rollin on Mar 10, 2010 12:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i think its worth it just so that well get that fresh experienced body just in time for our playoff push
Not to mention that hell be a good mentor to any guy that we draft
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by jojo phin fan on Mar 10, 2010 12:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The last point is the most vital
I think. I mean this could be a blessing in disguise. I still think we need to find a NT for the future but he will be able to come in and be fresh for the second half and playoffs.
good move
it can’t hurt to have him as an option over the last half of the season. NT is too important to this defense to not cover our basis.
if we don’t need him much because we’ve developed a young NT, well that is a great ‘problem’ to have.
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*bases
but then again, on a 3-4 D the NT is the basis…
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by Tunaflipper on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think we may have done it for him
In an uncapped year, it really doesn’t cost us anything and it helps Ferguson end his career on a positive rather than a suspension. But it really can’t hurt that much to have him play the second half of the year and the playoffs.
But you gotta remember his injury...
We didn’t even know if he’d really be ready for the season anyway – he’s coming off a MAJOR injury (Quad tear) that doesn’t heal as well as, say, a broken bone would. So this way he gets to rehab at the facility all offseason, rest up, stay in shape for 8 weeks, and then come in ready to kill it for 8-12 games. Plus he’s a mentor to Soliai and would be a great example for the rookie or two we are certain to draft.
Plus, so what if he did ‘roids or PEDs or whatever… they ALL do! That won’t have any effect on the “young, impressionable” players, other than perhaps reminding them they have to stay on their toes to not get caught. IMO this doesn’t really fit in with the character concerns discussed. (Although I generally agree the front office is a little two-faced about that. I don’t really care whether we have “thugs and hoodlums”, but at least be real about it, you know.)
Well I was just writing up almose the same thing when you stole the Thunder.
I like this move, much better then the release of Gibril Wilson. The Fins must have faith in Soliai to anchor the middle of that DLine. They must have a plan… at least I hope because there are still some big holes. Even if a DT is drafted early, I am not counting on him to step in day one and improve the line. Having Fergs on the team can help in the mentoring processs.
I think the Fins still need to draft a DT, but this move here says to me that they are set with who they got for this season, and are focusing on other positions of greater need. Parcells drafter Ratlif and Fergs in the 7 maybe he is going the same route this year!
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Well said guys
I share the same thoughts. Too bad everybody beat me to it so i couldn’t be the one to “Call it” lol, I’m sorry couldn’t resist… please i don’t want any drama. I’ll behave myself now…
the biggest seller for me is having an experienced
NT come in fresh mid way through. If we are indeed making a playoff push that could pay dividends.
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One wonders if
This is a (very) short-term contract that has Ferguson teaching a youngin’ through OTAs and training camp before possibly finishing out the last eight games of the season and retiring a Dolphin.
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I completely agree
With no cap, this is probably just a one year contract.
I'm [cautiously] alright with this. I don't see a downside, yet, having not seen the contract.
I think the moves made thus far are pretty good. Love the Dansby signing, I’m also one of the re-signing CP10 supporters. Cutting Wilson, Porter, and Ayodele I’m a strong supporter of.
On a side note, I don’t feel bad about Ross’ bank account, he’s filled to the tits with dat cheddah, and poppin that checkbook open to get Atogwe in the 305.
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There are no negatives to this signing.
Having a two time substance abuse user on the team is detrimental to younger players? Ever hear of Mr. 4 or 5 time substance abuse user Ricky Williams?
You;‘re speculating about the FO being complacent about the NT position. Now if they don’t draft or sign an UDFA NT, then you can start speculating. But let’s wait until then.
I doubt he received anything more than the veteran minimum for one year. Paying anything more for a 35 year old NT coming off a season ending injury would be something you’d expect from Al Davis, not Parcells.
The last negative doesn’t really make sense. Fergy as far as I’ve known has had no character issues or ever been a problem in the locker room. He got caught using a banned substance, most likely for a masking agent which is what most players who get caught were using. Some might claim PED use as a character issue, but considering we’re talking about a 35 year old guy coming off a major injury. Most likely whatever he was using was designed to help speed up his recovery.
In the end, the 8 game suspension allows him to fully rehab his quad and get into prime playing shape just in time for a playoff push. It also allows the team to give any draft pick/UDFA NT a chance to get some rotation time at the position with Soliai. This would allow them to keep 3 NTs on the roster and basically have an 8 game competition to find Fergy’s eventual replacement, and possibly Soliai’s as well (if both perform well).
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Having a two time substance abuse user on the team is detrimental to younger players? Ever hear of Mr. 4 or 5 time substance abuse user Ricky Williams?
Let’s not compare weed with a substances that somehow gives you an advantage. In a nut shell, Ferguson is a two time cheater. He cheated. It’s that simple. Whether everyone is doing it or only a few are, whoever takes PEDs is cheating. Ricky, on the other hand, had his own issues. And his substance in no way improved his performance on the field or his training off it. If anything, it hurt him.
substance abuse is substance abuse
I’m in the weed should be legalized bandwagon but luvs2drnk did make valid point. The substance abuse policy is for PED’s and other substances that are banned. Even if it didn’t improve Ricky’s performance on the field it violated the NFL’s substance abuse policy. To punish Ferg would be hypocritical.
you yourself said we should withhold judgement until we know the facts
as of now, he is just a one time cheater. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 10, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
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by texascowpunk on Mar 11, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
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I think that last point is the biggest
We now have a guaranteed fresh NT for games 9-16. That will be a huge benfit. Especially with how this team suffered through injuries last season. By the time he is ready to come back, I am sure we won’t have a diffocult time finding a roster spot.
Plus, this will give Ferguson an extra 2 months to continue rehab and get stronger. That can’t be a bad thing.
Too bad he had to be using PEDs though. Opens him, and the team, to ridicule they don’t need.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm
This is a tough one. I truly think that Ferg. is still premier at the NT position. His age is the only issue. At his age it is unlikely that he would be able to perform at this position injury free the entire season anyway. Having him fresh for the last half and playoffs may be a very good decision. Plus he can jack himself full of whatever it is he is taking until then and be totally HULKED out!!!
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it is mostly as a mentor role. I believe Ferg could realy help a young DT that we draft or get through free agency. He would help get them acclimated to the position, and working for Parcells and Sporano.
by Jonathan McCarter on Mar 10, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions
Win win
I don’t think they have to pay suspended players and he won’t count for the 53 man roster until he’s able to play. He won’t be pushing himself to be back by summer so hopefully he will be healthy and fresh for the second half of the year.
As for cheating… the guy is an all around good person that made his mistake and will do the time. We should accept him back with open arms afterwards. It would be different if he was a scum bag.
Should have cut him loose...but i understand it.
“The idea that the front office is filled with hypocrites. Bill Parcells has said he doesn’t want any “thugs or hoodlums” on this team. But this roster has a couple of guys who have been arrested and now will have a two-time PED offender. "
I disagree with keeping him for the reason above…PLUS FERGY is past it…. sorry its just plain true. Jason is NOT dominating anymore…. even when healthy he is not a top 10 NT…It does show how MGT loves thier “own” players. Loyalty is a good quality – but with Parcells it’s all about him… WHERE WAS THE TEAM LOYALTY for ZACK THOMAS ? BP cut him loose without even a thought… and he did have 1 more good year with Dallas.
suppose this means we are STUCK with PAT WHITE for a while before MGT admits that mistake also…When you want “buy In” to the total team concept & accountability for your actions- this reeks of SPECIAL TREATMENT. … which is bad for an org.
I will hope for the BEST if he returns to the team – because I CHEER for ALL Dolphins, and FERGY will give 100%…. No problems there. I do understand that having him back for the PLAYOFF PUSH is a very enticing option…. but we should just move on. If they do NOT draft a NT with “starter ability” then FO is making a HUGE mistake this year…. and should look to do this by rounds 2-3 at the latest.
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by uncle finster on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
And the team talked with ZT and told him they were going to start rebuilding, what did he want to do...
When Thomas asked that they go ahead and release him so he could try to get to a contender, they did. It wasn’t a straight business cut him cause he is old type of situation.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
plus
ZT wasn’t a “Parcell’s guy”… he was from previous regimes. I love Zach- my all time fav- but he was treated with respect I thought.
by NumberSeven on Mar 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
The PEDs don't bother me,
back in the day steroids was a part of football, it was common knowledge that most guys were on steroids, and what were they trying to do,……. play better, can’t say the same for Ricky, he got multiple suspensions because he wanted to feel good, the problem with both is the ramifications to the team should you get caught, not if your cheating.
This is a good move and I don’t think this will have any bearing on what they do at the NT position in the draft.
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Don't fool yourself, most players in the NFL are on some sort of PED's. They just aren't caught.
Guys are bigger and faster than ever. Most don’t get that way naturally. If they aren’t taking steroids, they are on HGH or something else that doesn’t have a test yet. Why do you think the players union’s in all professional sports are against blood testing? Because most of them would be caught with something in them.
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how do you know this?
do you have secret locker room urinal traps?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Pee pee peeper....
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No urinal traps.
I know what I know and I will leave it at that.
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you are speculating.
i am sure there are players that do that, but i don’t think it is “most”.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
pssst, Lefty, don't eat the big white mints.....
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oh, btw
look at this pic of how a NT does not pressure the QB =)
looks like you are right. they only stop the run.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 10, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO!!! Snatchez...........
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 10, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I know who you are talking too! LOL
He is a force on the pass rush, no doubt about it! Those 21.5 total sacks in a 13 year career are amazing numbers! HOF bound I say! =)
If signing Fergie keeps the Phins from wasting a draft pick in the first 3 rounds on a NT, I am all for it.
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man, i gotta say, you've got class brutha
you take my ribbing in stride, and when you are arguing your point, you keep things civil. I appreciate that.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 10, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
aahh, can't give a compliment...
… without a little slap to go with it….
I thought I taught you better… LOL!!!
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by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
what did I miss?
i don’t think it’s my turn.. ;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!!!!... this picture is so awsome!!!
LOL!!!!
A three hundred pound man on the skinny ass Jets’ quarterback… LOL!!!!
Gonna get his head ripped off… LOL!!!!
I wonder what he said after that play….
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by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
i like it
even if he is just a mentor or a one year fill in we all know the weak spots we need to address on this team and it dosn’t hurt to have too many quality players at those positions, but i also hope we draft his replacement this year to give that guy a year to work with jason
Matty, I think it's pretty simple
Ferg was going to retire anyway, if he did not come back and play for the Fins this season. I am sure part of the deliberation over this decision was based on wear and tear through out the year. This is just an insurance policy to allow him to go through camp. It’s like a reverse Injured Reserve. The Triad can see how the rest of the offseason develops, maybe pick up a NT in a later round to develop, and give Soliai one more chance in camp. Then (I believe if he is suspended he doesn’t count against the 53) we can try to figure out the starter and if we have an injury at the position we have a built in spare for the 2nd half of the season.
This is Fergi’s last year regardless, and as far as BP goes, I would imagine he is comfortable overlooking this in light of the overall good soulja Ferg has been.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 10, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions
Parcells & Ferguson planned this
Fergie finds out that no matter how hard he rehabs he’s not going to be ready for the start of the season. He goes to Parcells and says, “Bill, I can juice up, work hard and be ready for the start of the season. If I get caught I won’t be able to play until game 9. But if I don’t juice I won’t be ready until then anyway.” Bill says, “sounds like a plan”.
Think about it. The only real question is, was Parcells in the loop or did Fergie do it on his own.
There is no morality involved here. If you think you can get away with it, or in this case there is NO REAL DOWNSIDE TO BEING CAUGHT, you do it. I would do it, you would do it, we all would do it. Let’s stop with the holier than thou attitudes.
I love Matti, but “a bad influence on the younger players” ? Are you kidding me. How about a good influence (at least as far as the trio is concerned). A player doing what needs to be done. That’s all they care about and that’s why I’m glad they are here.
you are assuming an awful lot
to think Parcells was in on Fergie taking PEDs to me sounds ridiculous
then again you contradicted yourself in your own statement. Your headline says Parcells and Fergie planned this; then you ask whether Fergie did it on his own. So which one is it?
I like the Fergie signing because we will have a fresh, solid veteran NT for the 2nd half of next season
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 10, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
After sleeping on this I come to this conclusion: Signing Fergie only makes sense if the Phins expect to win big in '10
Any time that you evaluate a player, you need to ask this simple question: Does this player get me closer to a Super Bowl? For Fergie the answer is yes but for only the ‘10 season because he isn’t going to last much longer than that. He is old and injury prone. So, I consider this a positive move because the only reason to sign this player at this stage of his career is to make a run at the Super Bowl this year. That works for me.
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So let's say he is at fault here and he get's suspended. Why not continue to juice and be even healthier and stronger when the time comes to get back on the field. (lol)
I’m sure there will be retesting during the suspension.
AS insurance its not a bad move
He’ll be fresh for our superbowl run, oh yeah I went there.
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wow what a way to take things way out of context
he is old but still effective as he showed when he played last season
he is recovering from the injury and will be ready for 2010 in terms of his health
“On drugs” implies he is an addict and he clearly is not.
Way to be completely 100% about something
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
OK. How's this: He is Old, Hurt, and Suspended!
Are those completely 100% accurate?
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and you have a better option at nose tackle??
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 10, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
No, but the Phins will find a guy to play NT and he will be just fine.
Just like Ronald Fields, starting NT of the 7th ranked Broncos defense. Or Ryan Pickett, starting NT of the 2nd ranked Packer defense. Or better yet, Sione Pouha, starting NT (10 games) of the 1st ranked Jets defense. Sione is the back-up to one of the best NT’s in the league, Kris Jenkins, and the Jets didn’t miss a beat when Jenkins got injured in week 6.
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Will we still be in contention after 8 games?
Not to be a downer on this conversation because a lot of really good points have been made….but what about the fact that we may be out of playoff contention by week 8 without a suitable replacement? Look at how much our run defense suffered without him in the line-up. IEther we’re ready to commit to Soliai as our full-time starter or we a replacement real fast.
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Mar 10, 2010 8:13 PM EST reply actions
This years schedule is easier than last year's and I think we will be better
So to answer your question directly….without the football gods having their input….Yes we will still be in playoff contention.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
This photo was taken moments after Jason found out Bill Parcells still wanted him despite his injury and his suspension. Time to celebrate, big guy!
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