Pat White - Too Soon to Tell.
by joel311 on Feb 9, 2010 5:34 PM EST
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PrintWhile reading the comments on Matty's latest article, I noticed that a lot of people feel that the "Pat White Experiment" is over. The main argument presented is that Pat White has not completed a single pass in the NFL... out of 5 whole attempts. My question is: Is it really so hard to believe that a rookie QB might throw 5 incomplete passes in his first 5 attempts in the NFL? And considering those first 5 passes were staggered over the course of many games, I do not believe it to be indicative of White's future. How is Pat supposed to gauge how a defense will react to his being under center if he is only allowed a single pass attempt? I am in no way claiming that Pat White is going to be a superstar, I'm just pointing out that it is too soon to be judging him based on a severe lack of experience/pass attempts.
Just to put things into perspective, I'm going to list some terrible rookie games from some of the league's known commodities, as well as some historical greats (I wish I could see how each QB faired in his first 5 attempts, but NFL.com does not break it down to such a degree):
John Elway: In his 1st NFL game ever, he completed a paltry 1 out of 8 pass attempts. Does it seem so inconceivable that his first 5 attempts were duds? I wonder how many "fans" claimed the "John Elway Experiment" was a bust. I am sure there were likely quite a few.
Matt Hasselbeck: Hasselbeck did not complete a single pass of his first 3 attempts in the NFL. He then followed the big nil up with a sorry 2 of 6. If that can take Hasselbeck to a Superbowl, why is Pat White a bust?
Chad Pennington: Yes, the most accurate passer in NFL history only completed 2 of his first 5 attempts in the NFL. He then followed that up with a 1-6 performance to start the next year.
Brett Favre: A Superbowl champion, and yet he didn't complete a single pass out of his first 4 attempts. I bet Green Bay was pretty happy that they didn't immediately label him a bust and ship him out of town.
I'm sure I could go on, as I only researched about 10 QBs and found 4 with ridiculously low numbers in their first games. That is a pretty large percentage, and I believe it proves my point enough well enough. Hell, John Elway alone proved my point. So to you Pat-White-Bust bandwagoners, I kindly ask you to keep quiet until there is some real evidence to support your claims. Otherwise, you just sound foolish.
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I think the big difference is that all the QBs you listed are by definition QBs
I don’t think Pat White is a QB. I think he’s more of a runner who can throw the ball. Also I’m sure the guys you listed didn’t need 16 games to attempt five passes.
I’d like to see this comparison to Vick, Vince Young and maybe Randall Cunningham.
Either way I think if there was confidence in his arm they would have attempted more.
The only other thing I can come up with is that the five attempts were by design in order to get him onto the roster in 2010 as a non-QB
by special agent wildcat on Feb 9, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions
I agree 100% here. White is a runner who could throw so his coaches said "your going to run our spread O"
And the rest is history. He is not a real top quality QB and never will be.
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
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thre is a huge difference between 2 for 5
and 0 for 5
besides, most of white’s pass attempts were nowhere near completed
literally, in some cases, i could have made a better throw
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How close is it to Favre's 0-4?
How big of a difference is that? And Favre actually had a chance to study how the defenses reacted to his previous passes.
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personally im hoping he will be a good player in the NFL
Only bec i was such a big fan of his in college, the problem seems to be that he doesnt have the strength in his arm to make some of the out routes and his accuracy isnt to good either which i hope can be fixed if not convert him to something else
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 9, 2010 6:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Pat White Experiment IS over....
In order to be a QB in this league, you have to at least complete a pass….
White appeared in 10 games
He had 26 touches of the ball….
Out of those 26, the coaches only trusted him with throwing the ball in 5 times
He failed to complete a pass in 5 attempts, even though its HIS natural position.
He did take a sack though. so technically he’s -1 for 5.
All of the QB’s you mentioned, managed to complete a pass out of their first 5….all of them :)
Rookie QB or not, he played how many seasons as QB, completing how many passes, attempting how many throws in College, yet, at the next level he can’t even come close to his targets…. He’s not a QB at this skill level, period.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Im feeling ya Fr8 I agree 100% with what you stated here.
Move White to waterboy.
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Besides Thigpen is a better option at the spread option then White is.
Thigpen played almost an entire season in the spread and completed passes so yea considering we have a QB that can do everything White can yea the White experiment is OVER.
I agree 100% with what you said Fr8Train.
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Yup Thiggy is a better option for the WC by far
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, just wanted to make a couple of points.
He had 26 touches of the ball….
Out of those 26, the coaches only trusted him with throwing the ball in 5 times
But also keep in mind that when he did come into the game, with the exception of the Steelers game, he was being used in a Wildcat package. The Wildcat plays that we have are mostly running plays, with only a very few passing plays. Since he was in the game in a running package, it’s not surprising that he didn’t get many pass attempts.
As for in the Steelers game, this was the first time that he was for more than just two or three consecutive plays. It might have taken him a little bit to get used to what kind of protection he was going to get from the offensive line and get settled down. Now why they didn’t call more pass plays in that game I don’t know. Could it be that they didn’t trust him to throw? Yes. Could it also be that they were trying to get him a little more comfortable with the starters? Also yes. They might have also been purposely calling running plays more to draw more of the Steelers into run defense so it would open up the recievers a bit more in man coverage, which would help a rookie with very limited NFL level experience. But then him getting hurt cut any of this short.
All of the QB’s you mentioned, managed to complete a pass out of their first 5….all of them
Ok, but who were the recievers they were throwing the ball to? That can make a big difference as well. Case in point, in his rookie year Kurt Warner was the backup QB and played in 1 game when the main QB got hurt. In that game, Warner was 4 out of 11 for a whopping 39 yards, but he was also throwing to Isaac Bruce. However, the Rams fans were screaming for him to be let go after that season, because they didn’t think that his 36.4% completion rate was good enough.
Now I know that the situations aren’t exactly the same, Warner wasn’t drafted in the 2nd round, which I do still feel was too high of a pick to take Pat White. But my point is that Warner had crappy passing stats his rookie year and that while he did make some completions, he also had a very good #1 reciever to throw at, something that the Dolphins do not currently have. Am I saying that White is going to become as good as Warner? No, I have no idea if White will pan out as a QB or not, I just think that you can’t pass fair judgement on a guy when he has less than a full game of experience in the NFL level.
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by Chupathingy on Feb 10, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
debate continued....
Good response I might add.
But, PW was drafted to not for a WildCat (we have Ronnie for that), he was drafted to be able to add the new wrinkle of passing play in the Wildcat, thus optimizing the package. I’m willing to say the first few times he came into the game and ran a run, were to help settle nerves etc… but after 16 games, and 26 touches, you’d still expect to get more than 5 passes out of a QB, especially when the defense was so clearly expecting a run play.
As for Kurt Warner
6-2, 220 lbs
Pat White
6-0 (in heels)
190 lbs soaking wet.
Warner was built for the position, White needs to exceptional accuracy like a Drew Brees to excel….. and he clearly doesn’t have that.
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
Plus I find him expendable now that we have Thigpen.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
damn I just reread that....horrible horrible.
I gotta slow down lol
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
You got your point across.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry for the delayed response, work beckoned. =)
I’ll give you that PW isn’t built for a QB, but at the same time, Brees is the same height as him and only 20 lbs heavier. Not that big of a difference. At the same time, Brees makes up for that by having great accuracy like you said, which PW does not have right now. I wonder if the Saints o-line adjusts their blocking techniques a bit to help Brees see his receivers. I watched a few Saints game this year, and I also noticed that Brees scrambled out of the pocket a good amount of the time, which I bet also help him get clearer sight on his targets.
Aside from that though, my point was that Warner had a #1 receiver that regularly made tough catches, even if the throw wasn’t perfect, in Bruce. We currently don’t have a receiver that fits that criteria, which could make it more difficult for White to get completions.
As for the first paragraph, if you want to get technical PW only played in 13 games, according to NFL.com. And in the first 12 of those, he was never really in for more than a couple of plays at a time, which doesn’t really give him much opportunity to get into a rhythm with either his receivers or with himself. Every time he came in, we were upset in the game threads because it was taking Henne out of his rhythm, which is true, but I also think that it wasn’t really helping PW too much either because it wasn’t letting him get INTO a rhythm or gel with the receivers or o-line.
When he did get into the game for an extended period of time in the Steelers game, he had that opportunity. I don’t know if he got spooked because the Steelers were coming after him with a vengeance or what, but he should be able to play through that. I think that one thing he could definitely use is more time in situations where the defense is actually coming to take him down, not just in practice where they don’t hit him.
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Well, I disagree that 20 lbs heavier is not a lot….its a ton, especially if its 20 lbs in the NFL…. I’d kill to be 20 lbs stronger.
White won’t ever be given the chance to get into a rhythm until another QB goes down. When he was in the game for an extended period (like the Steelers game you mentioned), he still didn’t get it done. And he had a little chance to get into a rhythm there, 2 passes and 5 rushes. The fact that our coaching staff chose to run him a lot more than allow him to throw speaks to his abilities (which aren’t QB-like). I don’t buy the argument that he wore gloves…maybe the ball being bigger, I don’t know. I just know that he doesn’t look, act, or perform like a QB in this league.
Maybe his time is over…maybe he’ll get into some games this season and make me change my opinion of him. Who knows. But right now, he’s a waste of a roster spot. I would much rather put Thigpen in there, and run the same type of plays, and get a better result.
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
pat white knows how to win with less talent, then the other team has. but we are starting to get sum real talent, on this team. can you argue the point, about havein less talent the we did a year ago.
is the team not playing as hard, are we not trying as hard as we did last year? why is this teams record stinking up the joint to a less then 500 record where the scarry wr’s.is this not the NFL “wtf”????????
by wild zion beaver on Feb 9, 2010 6:30 PM EST reply actions
Toughest Schedule In The League!
that and a 1 year starter/stud at qb thats why were on the way
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by jamesthefinfan on Feb 9, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Pat White
He wore gloves in college correct? I think they have tried to change his throwing Mechanics. He is a luxary to have. That we don’t have the time to develop him. You want winners who have leadership qualities. He fits that. He also didn’t take snaps from under center in college correct? 2-3 years Pat White might be something. Problem is you need his roster spot for someone who can contribute today.
Leaders don't look scared when they go into the game....
They look relaxed
They look intense
They don’t look like they need to change their shorts.
It doesn’t matter if its yours first snap, or your 1 thousandth snap of the ball. A leader, no matter how nervous, will look stone cold ready, because he doesn’t want the players around him to absorb or see him in a weakened position. Thats leadership.
White lacks that. To call him a winner with Leadership qualities is insulting to the rest of the real leaders on the team.
btw, he didn’t take snaps from Center this year either…..so he should have been very comfortable, yet….. he wasn’t.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
by Fr8Train on Feb 9, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont even think he looks scared. I know hes not afraid to stick his head in there and get
hit but there is something that just looks wrong when he tried to take a snap. Its like sticking Bess back there.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 9, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
again.. agree 100% good response.
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Leaders
I never said I liked the pick. Seems like a kid like this they always want to change something when these kids come into the NFL. Pat White has a long history of winning. You can’t deny that. Does he have a future in the NFL that’s a toss up in my book. Like I said though we don’t have the time to develop this kid. By the way you obviously know what it takes to be a leader. How does someone look intense and yet relaxed at the same time?
by FinFanFromCA on Feb 10, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
"Has a long history of winning" - Yes I deny that.
His history in college mean absolutely NOTHING in the NFL.
Zero.
The college game is light years different from the Pro game. In college, you might have 4-5 studs on a team. In college, the entire roster is filled with them. the NFL is the best of the best and they are concentrated onto 32 teams. In College, those players are spread out amongst 342 teams (and thats just the Division I schools).
I do know what it takes to be a leader, and you can be intense and relaxed at the same time. Its called preparation, and acceptance of your role.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
History in College?
How do you base potential in an NFL propect if you don’t look at what they’ve done in college. Self defeating arguement. Leaders are good followers first. To develop a good leader first you must break him down and rebuild him in the mold of your system. Like I said I was never in favor of this pick, but, to completly throw this kid under the bus. Come on. I’ll also be the first to add White to a trade offer. I feeI we don’t have time to develop him. We have more pressing needs. I give P. White latitude for something he did before the New England Game. If you know what it was he did then maybe you will understand. That’s a LEADER.
by FinFanFromCA on Feb 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmmm....I dont' recall, so you'll have to refresh my memory.
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
the story
http://www.miamiherald.com/dolphins/story/1332698.html
I respect him for that.
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
As a former soldier I respect him for that,
but that does not a leader make, being a good and decent person does not necessarily mean your a leader.
When men follow you, then you are a leader.
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Finster
As twenty plus recently retired Veteran myself. I’ve molded young men and women to do the right thing. If you look at tangible characteristics of a leader, things such as this simple act come naturally. It’s a me society my friend especially in the NFL. Sir, you are correct men follow you if you are a leader. You proved my point. Unfortunatly no one followed Pat White that day.
by FinFanFromCA on Feb 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My point FFFC,
is that if it were Peezy, JT or CP10 they probably would have been followed, I agree White was a leader in college, but that does not mean he will be a leader in the NFL.
As a former military man, you know as well as I do that leadership has its own boundries;
There are great platoon sgts, that are not cut out to be company sgts,
there are great company commanders that are not cut out to be brigade commanders, and so on.
Of course there are those that do rise, and just like the NFL they are weeded out as they rise, and some find their niche commanding smaller groups, but that doesn’t take away the fact that they are a good leader, because as you know, this is the way of things.
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
Main differences between Peezy,JT,CP10 and P. White in regards to leadership is age and experiece. Like I said I didn’t like the P. White pick. I also wont disperage him as being a non-leader. I think i owe that. (Soapbox Placed In Closet). By the way thank you for service.
by FinFanFromCA on Feb 10, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Garbage ass wate of a pick!!!!!!
A to absolutely my least favorite pick over the last couple of years. i even tried to be excited till i saw him play. He looked scared and unaware. Hed be better off starring in a show on disney channel
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i agree completely
this pick was a damn waste. they should have drafted my ass. pat white doesnt belong in the nfl. he is the worst player in the league.
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PLEASE let the Pat White experiment be over and done with. Sign CP10 as backup, keep Thiggy as #3 and move White to waterboy.
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
Remember that Brett Farve did not start with GB.
His first four passes were in Atlanta. 2 of 4 were actually completed just to the other team.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
you do know you just mentioned brett favre in a Pat White post... right??
lol
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 9, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize that I was responding to the fact that he compared him to what Brett had done, right?
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Good point.
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People writing off rookies reminds
me of when Pete Rozelle said “With the 27th pick..the Miami Dolphins select…Dan Marino from the University of Pittsurgh” and all the Dolphin fans booed.
Good call!
by firedanhenningnow on Feb 9, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions
Whoa.....WHOA.....WHOOOOA!
Dan Marino and our #2 pick who I refuse to name in the post?
And in a comparison????
Even in jest, you need to go stand in the corner and think about what you just said.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
LOL
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 9, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
lol give it to em
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Uuuummmmm,
re-read his comment, he wasn’t in any way comparing Pat White to Dan Marino. He simply said that fans were booing the Dolphins choice when Marino was picked. The fans were ready to write him off because they thought he sucked and wasn’t going to amount to anything in the NFL.
I think he was making the point that you need to give rookies a little bit of time to see how they are going to do. Not just write them off completely when they have less than a full game of playing time at the NFL level.
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by Chupathingy on Feb 10, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ya ok.. keep white on the roster and waste a roster spot.
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I know he wasn't making a direct comparison
But to make any comparison is just a crime.
White had 26 touches during the season…..
only 5 of those were called passes (and he’s QB)
I think it shows the trust level the organization has in him….which is not much.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Haha,
fans know best.
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LOL Pat White will NEVER be anything close to Dan Marino. lol
Marino didnt look like he just got caught with his pants down while jerkin an elephant like White does when he takes a snap. There not in the same ball park.. hell their not even playing the same game.. shit.. really they are not even on the same planet.
Marino > White
I think Marino could come back and outplay Pat White even today.
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, that is comparing apples to oranges,
because your talking about how the fans reacted to the “drafting” of a player, not the end result of his first season, which is what we are talking about with White.
Your comparison should be with how the fans reacted when we drafted White, and he was probably more popular then Dan was.
But after Dans first game, they were no longer booing.
Marino was probably the greatest rookie QB ever, in his first game he was 11 of 17 with 2 TDs, and he didn’t come into the game until the 3rd qtr.
Finished the season with 2000 yds, 20tds and 6picks, and the rest as they say is history.
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not only the best rookie ever but the best second year for a QB EVER!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
You lost me when comparing Pat White
with rookies John Elway, Chad Pennington, Brett “The Media Bitch” Favre and Matt Hasselbeck.
All of them were 6’2 or taller and not spread QBs.
I agree White could have success but the comparision was out of place for me.
The point is rookies can have bad numbers.
They are rookies.
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Yes they can.. but you fail to realize Pat White is not a QB. He never really was. He was a RB who was OK at throwing..
So the coaches said “come run the spread 0” and the rest is history… lets just look at it this way.. we didnt have 22nd round pickslast year like we all thought we did. We had one and with that we took Sean Smith. The other pick we THOUGHT we had was just a nightmare and hopefully we will find a way to just forget the whole 44th pick.. and soon
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
pat white is the worst human being that ever lived and he doesn't even deserve to breath the same air.....
WOW……you guys are a hard crowd!! you make it sound like his play has affected your life personally….
To call him a winner with Leadership qualities is insulting
absolutely my least favorite pick over the last couple of years
pat white doesnt belong in the nfl. he is the worst player in the league
Pat White still has a chance to have some degree of success in the NFL……someday, maybe soon…..you never know…….
For the three bonehead quotes above…….my guess is that none of you really have thoughts of you own……………and im sure you all have said “ginn stinks” or “fasano was a fluke” or “joey porter is a jerk” or “trade ronnie” or “ricky is a stoner”…..or some lame comment that takes no real thought to come up with……… quit regurgitating what other people are saying and come up with something of your own………..really…………
Just one man's opinion...
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Pat White still has a chance to have some degree of success in the NFL……someday, maybe soon…..you never know…….
Pigs may also learn to fly at some point in the future as well, I say they have as good of a chance to learn to fly as White has to turn out to be a quality player in the NFL.
For the three bonehead quotes above…….my guess is that none of you really have thoughts of you own……………and im sure you all have said "ginn stinks" or "fasano was a fluke" or "joey porter is a jerk" or "trade ronnie" or "ricky is a stoner"…..or some lame comment that takes no real thought to come up with……… quit regurgitating what other people are saying and come up with something of your own………..really
As far as this.. why do you think they are “bonehead quotes?” Would it matter if one of them does think Ginn stinks? Or Porter is a jerk? What does someone having an opinion on Porter or Ginn (or whatever) have to do with this post? Oh ya I guess in your world people are not allowed to have their own opinion? Im not too sure about the “worst player in the league” comment.. I believe White is damn close to the worse player in the league though. However the other 2 quotes you chost to call people out on are simply opinions. They did not attack anyone or whatnot. One just stated that they did not like the pick at all. The other was just stating his or her opinion on the idea that White will even be a winner with leadership qualities. He or she feels that White will never be that good. What is so wrong with others stating their opinion? You obviously think White (and Ginn?) are quality players. Well please explain why you feel this way because I would really ike to read your reasoning behind that. It should be a good read if you decide to explain why they are quality players in your eyes.
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 3:53 AM EST up reply actions
Really? Because that was my quote.
And I’m not regurgitating anything.
Calling PW a winner with Leadership qualities is insulting to the leaders already on the team. Because PW isn’t anything of the sort. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the entire roster would not trust PW to come in an win a game for them. Sure, they may say they rally behind him as any good team would do, but mentally, they know the game is as good as over.
I will also bring up the fact that your entire post has no substance. No argument of any kind, and you certainly haven’t backed up your stance with anything more than bad grammar. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to come a bit stronger than that.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
"You obviously think White (and Ginn?) are quality players"
You have some serious reading comprehension issues MPF. You take EVERY opportunity to kiss Mr.Dwayne “drop it like its hot” Bowes butt, and IF you would be honest would give up a #1 for him, because of his “potential” but yet you call rookies worthless and busts?
You seriously need to lay off of the button mashing for a while!
by firedanhenningnow on Feb 10, 2010 6:35 AM EST reply actions
Show me where Ginn has had any season as good as Bowe?
She me where White has even remotely shown he will be a quality QB in the NFL?
?
Still waiting..
I also think that Bowe is worth a 2nd over sending a 3rd for Boildin. Its an opinion based on speed, age, stats, age, age again..
I think marshall would be the best to bring in here and turn this O into an offense that scares other teams. However if Marshall is out of reach then I believe the next best player that may be had is Bowe. Its my opinion. Im not attacking anyone with my opinion. Im not saying your opinion on Ginn is wrong in your eyes. I think its wrong based on the fact that he sucks and will always suck and will never be anything more then a 3rd string receiver. Same for White. He is a bust as a 2nd round pick.. get over it. move on. :)
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
My grandmother is a better QB than Pat White
He better brush up on his route running skills or he will be unemployed come fall.
Has Buffalo called your grandmother yet?
Might want to install a red Hot Line.
If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.
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