Fan's Pulse: Should Dolphins bring back Pennington?
I know we talked a lot about it already. But I think this topic deserves more attention. Why? Because it's a very interesting situation.
In just one full season as the starting quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, Chad Pennington became one of the most popular Dolphins in a long time. It was odd, almost surreal, how Pennington went from hated rival to beloved leader. And make no mistake about it, all of the love CP received from Dolphin fans - including from myself - was very well deserved. He played a very large part in the amazing turnaround from the one-win '07 Dolphins to the AFC East Champion '08 Dolphins.
But Pennington struggled in three starts in 2009 before suffering yet another shoulder injury that ended his season. He averaged just 5.6 yards per pass attempt - his worst figure as a starting quarterback - and threw just one touchdown pass while committing four turnovers (two interceptions and two lost fumbles).
And that's where we stand right now. Pennington's contract with the Dolphins expires in early March. But CP has been working out at the Dolphins' facility in Davie and has even been working on his footwork with QB coach David Lee. Pennington also made it a point to say that he would be willing to return to Miami - even as a backup:
"I think what I have to decide is, competitively, do I want to go try and compete for a starting job or do I want to be in a place where I enjoy working with the people and working with my teammates and my family's comfortable and I know there’s value there and I know there’s a spot for me to lead and to serve and do what I need to do if that’s in a backup role."
"That’s where I am right now. Sometimes I wake up and I’m like, 'Wherever the starting opportunity is that’s where I want to go,' and sometimes I wake up and go, 'You know what, it's what best for me and my family and it’s where I enjoy going to work and enjoy the opportunity."
"This is 10 years for me. It’s not going to last very much longer and I want to enjoy every day of it. I want to be in a place where I know we have a chance to win and I know I can contribute and be of value. I think that's important. I think all of us want to be valued wherever we work."
So should the Dolphins bring back CP10? That's what I want to know from all of you. Read some of the pros and cons to re-signing Pennington - which are below - and then cast your vote in our poll.
The case for bringing back Pennington
- He's been a great role model for Chad Henne and would continue to be an asset to our young quarterback. He's shown Henne by example how a professional starting quarterback should act - both on and off the field. Even after going down with his season-ending injury, Pennington worked with Henne weekly - helping break down game film. A mentor with that kind of leadership is invaluable to the growth of a young starting quarterback.
- Regardless of your feelings on Pat White or Tyler Thigpen, Pennington's return to Miami would instantly make him the top backup on the roster. He'd be a great insurance policy in the event that the unspeakable were to happen and Henne was to go down for any length of time.
The case against re-signing Pennington
- The Dolphins can't carry four quarterbacks. That means Miami would have to either give up on the Pat White experiment and cut their 2009 2nd round pick or cut Tyler Thigpen, who Miami surrendered a fifth round pick to get and who has shown promise as a potential long-term back-up quarterback. The Dolphins reportedly are very high on Thigpen, too. Some might think the solution would be to keep all four players and move White to receiver. But even so, he'd take a roster spot away from somebody who might be a better fit.
- The Dolphins would risk a quarterback controversy if Henne struggled early on and Pennington played well in camp and in the preseason. Do we need to add any more pressure to our young signal caller?
- Henne needs to become a leader of this football team. Would he be able to do that with a guy like Pennington waiting right behind him?
- The Dolphins would be spending unnecessary money on a backup quarterback when the team already has three QBs on the roster. And there's no guarantee Pennington's shoulder will even hold up. He had a weak arm to begin with and it has now gone through yet another surgery.
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This shouldn't even be a question if he accepts a back-up role.
Ofcourse you bring him back. And trade Thigpen.
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by JP 23 on Feb 9, 2010 12:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Or better yet bring him back and trade White and keep Thiggy.
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
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We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Feb 9, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
i agree with jp except that you trade white
if penny wants to stay as a backup, its a no brainer.
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Completetly agree
I don’t like White, nothing against him but I don’t understand why we needed him to begin with, from what we saw Ronnie throws better then him anyways. Lose White and keep CP10 and Thiggy. Although that leadership problem that Matty brought up is something to consider. How would Henne and the team handle having CP10 there as a leader when he’s not even your starting QB and might not even play a single down during the regular season.
Pat White played in 13 games and was
0 for 5 passing. That isn’t a quarterback. Hell, Ronnie played in 9 games and was 2 for 6 for 22 yards and a TD, and he’s a running back.
Thigpen was obviously in for only 1 game and was 4 for 8 for 83 yards and a TD.
In order to make it honest, if you needed a QB to win a game to save your life, who would you rather have Thigpen or White?
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conditionally
i like the idea of pennington “mentoring” heene, especially when it comes to watching game film. if he could do that and accept a back up’s wages, and we can trade thigpen. i like keeping him. if either of those two are going to be an issue , then we thank CP10 for his time and send him on his way. moving pat white to WR reciever is a great idea. i think he is a playmaker on the field. but not a leader in the huddle, or under center for that matter
starting the lagarret blount "you got knocked the F**k out" bandwagon
He should be thrown to the wind
he would be but a controversy waiting to happen let the old guy walk!!!!!!!
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YES! lol
CP10 can stay as a assistance QB coach or something, but he HAS to stay away from the roster. That will be asking for trouble. Dont get why ppl dont c this one coming?
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shall have to decide money & roster spots.
Nuthin’ else matters.
I still like him. on our team.
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No
You all know my reasons.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
LOL
you all are acting like this is a vote to resign him or not. Just because this site votes they want him back doesn’t mean anything. And I will blame 80% of this site if we pull Henne for Pennignton next year and set our future QB hunt back another 5 yrs.
Bottome Line:
This is a controversy waiting to happen. Your hearts are overloading your mind.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're blowing this whole controversy thing out of proportion.
There will be no QB controversy. Even if Henne struggles, which is likely to happen, it doesn’t matter who the backup is. People will call for Henne to be replaced regardless. It’s happened to almost every QB that has ever played the game. Even some of the all-time greats have had their share of doubters at one point in their careers. Bottom line, good QBs perservere and win the support of the fans, bad QBs end up like Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, or David Klingler.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
We'll agree to disagree
I think it is very real.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
i say flip a beaver and see if it lands heads or tails
And then watch it play fiddle
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 9, 2010 12:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You have to love the guy but.......
Let me just say this. Chad is the type of quarterback every coach dreams of having on their team. Which is why “the tuna” brought him into Miami when the Jets dumped him for Maddens lover boy. For those of you reading this and dont know who he is, it’s FAAAVREEE.lol This guy was going to be one of the greats before all his injuries. He has the right attitude and work ethic but the bottom line is, if you cant get the ball to the sidelines you wont make it much longer in the NFL. The same thing happened to Fieldler when he was in Miami. Just didnt have enough pop on his throws to go deep or strike outside when the clock wasnt on their side. As a fan I would love to have him back, but looking at it from a “what’s best for the team” point of view, he needs to move along. I still wish he had more success, better luck, and less injuries during his time as a starter. Whatever and wherever Pennington goes, and I believe I speak for the majority of Dolphins fans, he was what our team needed when everybody started losing hope.Great guy with a good heart. Good luck Chad.
Pretty tough and hard to believe
about an ex Jest but I agree as far as wishing good luck to Chad regardless of where he ends up (Unless it’s an AFC east team not in Miami). He’s a great guy and I would love for him to find some serious success with a team.
ouch lol
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 9, 2010 2:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eh this site could vote 97% yes
as long as the Fins FO votes no, game-set-match.
After a few years on here, I’ll just say I’m glad Parcells is running this show instead of the fans on this site.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
lmao your right about that one
I’m probably 99% wrong about the Thigpen argument. But I’m holding on to that 1% lol. That’s why none of us are scouts or work for the fins.
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If you're putting your money on Parcells....
Then you should be ready fo the very good possibility that CP10 will be our backup next year. After all, this is the man that brought back Testaverde at age 35 to the Jets, and again at age 41 to the Cowboys.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
yea
I said it before, and I’ll say it again. My money is on him not coming bk.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
If that's the case....
You might re-think your comment about Parcells running the show. He likes smart, veteran QBs, regardless of their age/health concerns. I’d put the chance of CP10 coming back at about 75%-80%, with Thigpen getting traded. I’d prefer it be White that gets traded, but I think they’ll give him another year.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
You might re-think your comment about Parcells running the show.
Nah, I think I like it. I also know Parcells likes drafts picks. I know he spent one on Thigpen and Thigpen is cheap. I also know that CP did sign a 2 yr contract so the game plan was really for him to be gone after this year anyways,
Not to mention besides the 5th rder he spent he also spent a 2nd rder on White. So regardless of what you CP 10 lovesick fans think, Parcells has too much invested in our QBs. I really don’t the FO would take less compesation for what they gave for the qbs just to sign a vet QB for more money than they are spending now for a positon that doesn’t need to be addressed.
Bottom Line:
Give up less compensation for what you gave + to spend more money on another qb to “ride the pine” = FO standing pat.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thigpen's only on our roster because of the injury to CP10.
If CP10 doesn’t get injured, Thigpen never becomes a Dolphin. Plus, if the FO decides to trade Thigpen, I’m pretty sure we can get at least a 5th out of someone, probably a 4th from a QB desperate team. So they would be getting the same or better in return for him. As for White, I think he’s on a short leash right now, and better start showing some serious progression next year. Yes, CP10 was on a 2 year plan, but I also think they thought White would have produced better numbers than 0 for 5 passing this season. If the FO had more confidence in their backups, I would agree with you that CP10’s time as a Dolphin are over. But I don’t think they’re confident at all in what they got.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
But they did trade the draft pick
I think they got just about what they were thinking out of white being the 3rd qb, and after spending a 2nd rd pick, its crazy to give up on him in 1 year.
the FO had more confidence in their backups,
I think they are ok w/ our backups. Thigpen did a ok job to say he was 3rd string and wasn’t with the team all year. He’ll be fine.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I won't say it's impossible.
I just think Parcells has more faith in CP10 being the backup, than Thigpen and especially White. But I really think they’re pretty disappointed in what they got out of White. 0 for 5 passing, and he even had almost a full quarter in which to complete one pass. He couldn’t even complete a dump off pass to a RB. I do think they give him another year, but he has to show some serious progression if he wants to stick around past that. But we’ll all know for sure what’s going to happen by April 22nd.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
quaterback coach, anyone?
i think pennington should retire as an NFL quaterback, then miami should hire him as our quaterback’s coach.
THIS!!!!
Seriously guys. Player consultant? QB Quality Control? Assistant QB Coach? I don’t care, just make up a coaching position, and put the guy in it :P
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He still wants to play.
He will not take a coaching position.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Then why is he willing to be a "back up" here?
Thats not really playing.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
back up players practice and go through the routines they have the locker room camaraderie.
A back up is a far cry from coach. The guy went through all of the trouble to have surgery and now is trying to rehab. coach? not yet. and don’t be a smart ass.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
and don’t be a smart ass.
How am I being a smart @ss?
The guy went through all of the trouble to have surgery and now is trying to rehab.
And says he wants to play. So a guy who is going through the trouble of surgery , rehab and says he wants to play is coming back to play backup, ride the bench. Right. You believe that if you want to.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Even CP10 realizes his limitations....
Just cause a guy wants to continue to play doesn’t mean it has to be a starter. Sure he’d like to start somewhere, but he also has to realize what those options are. Oakland? Buffalo? Cleveland? Washington? St. Louis? Any of those places he’d be lucky to make it past week one. The best shot he has at a starting job is in Carolina, but I don’t see them going from one old QB to another.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
If he is a QB
if he was to play he has to be a starter. I think someone else pointed out I think his best place is Arizona. Lienhart isn’t that good and CP could beat him out and they are in need of a vet.
like your sig btw
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Arizona is another possibility.
But it’s no different than the situation in Miami. Arizona has too much invested into Lienhart to not give him this season to prove himself. It’s more likely they’ll draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round to shore up that position. The places I listed seemed like the best chances he would have at a starting spot. Thanks for the props. I have a t-shirt that says the same.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
But it’s no different than the situation in Miami
Its completely different. They went to the SB the yr b4 last and the 2nd rd thislast year. That offense is awesome with a accurate passer (like Warner showed). They are ready to win now, we are rebuilding. You think they are going into the regulaer season without a good vet to push Lienhart after what they seen of him the past few years? I wouldn’t think so.
We’ll agree to disagree again. fair enough?
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
With one caveat...
Arizona’s offense is good with an accurate passer with a strong arm. CP10 would not fit well with a set of receivers that can stretch the field. I also don’t think Arizona makes the playoffs next year, and that the Dolphins will be the more competetive team. Especially if you consider the loss of Warner, and the probable losses of Dansby and Boldin.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Agreed
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
That's why I want to see CP stay -- I'm hoping he'll wind his career down here and then move to the coaching staff
He can wind it down now and join the coaching staff
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
i'd love to see it eventually
but he still wants to play and he’s said that he wants to coach youth football later in life – not professional.
but he still wants to play
Thats what I’m getting at. If he still wants to play why is he wanting to come back here when we have our established young QB in place and starting. Unless he knows that somehow he can work his way into the lineup by say umm a QB controversy? Shouldn’t he go to some place he can compete for a starting job?
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes!
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why do we keep Pat White
I have not seen any reason to keep him. Thigpen done a good job when he played. Henne, Thigpen, Chad. Trade Ginn and white for anyone else.
just release pat white
he sucks and is the worst player in the league. cut him and get it over with already.
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Bring CP10 back for one reason...
It’s an even number year.
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Pat white is useless
Pat white if I remember correctly still has not completed a pass as a QB for the dolphins. He is too small to run the option.
Pennington is a true professional who’s experience and work ethic is beyond reproach.There have been other QBs like Vinney testaverde for example who have taken the back up role without hindering the performance of the young starter ahead of them but when needed stepped in and did a great job Pennington could very well fill that role. Not only would Henne and thigpen benefit from having him around but the receivers as well could learn a lot about preperation and film study reading defenses and understanding the adjustments they need to make in any given situation. The value of an experienced back up Qb can not be overstated. My only problem with Pennington as a backup is if henne went down and pennington was called upon the OC would have to call plays that fit penningtons skillset meaning less long balls more short slants screens and crossing routes
If you remember back to Sunday...
I don;t think Brees or Manning completed a “long ball” and most offenses nowadays use the slants. screens. and crossing routes, on 90+% of passing plays. As long as Henne stays healthy we’re ok. If he goes down for a few games, we won’t miss the 2 bombs per game that Ginn couldn’t catch.
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
Agreed
I got into this debate recently with a friend of mine whos a giants fan and was trying to say Eli was so much better than penny cause he could go down field and I had to show him the numbers and that Pennington averages .5 yards more an attempt(and conveniently they both have played exactly 89 career games). To me being smart with the football and having a higher completion percentage means more than able to chuck down the field once or twice.
I doubt they'll trade White or Thigpen
It would be one thing if the Trifecta inherited those players but they’re the ones who drafted and traded for them. Maybe if someone offers more than they already invested in them but that’s not going to happen with White. I suppose someone would give up a 4th for Thigpen but if that’s the case I don’t think I want to give him up. At that rate he’ll be worth a 3rd soon.
That leads me to Pennington. Obviously if he signs then he’s #2. In that case White would have to go since keeping White as #3 would restrict his play to only if Henne and Pennington are out of the game. That means no packages with White in them which renders him useless. In order to bring in Pennington they would have to get rid of White which won’t happen because of what they invested in him. You need to give him one more season to show improvement.
I suppose the only other answer is to trade Thigpen (which I’m opposes to) and keep White as #2 and put Pennington in the same #3 role Thigpen held, strictly as an insurance policy.
Best case scenario is since White didn’t complete a pass the NFL should allow the Dolphins to list him as a RB/WR. Then you can sign Pennington and keep Thigpen. Since Thigpen can be used in other packages you’d keep him as #2 in order to play him sparingly from time to time like White this year. Pennington would be emergency QB #3 like Thigpen’s role last year.
by special agent wildcat on Feb 9, 2010 8:32 AM EST reply actions
Bring back CP and Nix the Pat White "Experiment"
EVERY organization could ONLY BENEFIT from having a man like CP around. He is invaluable to the maturation process of Chad Henne. He will be an excellent experienced #2 quarterback. And, him being the #2 will give Henne even more motivation to stay sharp and focused knowing his team has a viable back-up option if he (Henne) is not working hard to earn the top spot. PLEASE keep CP ( Tony and Bill ) !
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My whole thing on White is why keep him when you have a proven QB that ran the spread
no matter your stance on Thigpen. Everybody can see that Thigpen can run that spread option that the Phins seem so intent to implement, better then White has, will do, or is even capable of doing.
THE TYLER THIGPEN BAND-WAGON
I'M DRIVING IT WHO'S BRAVE ENOUGH TO JUMP ON?!?!?!?!
With the #12 pick in the 2010 Draft the Miami Dolphins pick ...... CJ SPILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pilot of the SILENT DEATH cj-spiller-cobra helicopter
OOOOOOOOO C-A-N-E-S AHHHHH(crowd yelling at kickoff!!!)
and signing Pennigton is a REAL QB controversy waiting to happen.
Not like my QB controversy that I seem to have made up in my head.
I still believe it’s a legitimate argument so I don’t wanna hear that I’m flipping.
THE TYLER THIGPEN BAND-WAGON
I'M DRIVING IT WHO'S BRAVE ENOUGH TO JUMP ON?!?!?!?!
With the #12 pick in the 2010 Draft the Miami Dolphins pick ...... CJ SPILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pilot of the SILENT DEATH cj-spiller-cobra helicopter
OOOOOOOOO C-A-N-E-S AHHHHH(crowd yelling at kickoff!!!)
resign to be the backup qb
Simply put,if henne goes down,or hits a technically sophmore slump,who would you rather have as a backup. A proven leader,thiggy,or our version of rudy. Truth is,that man can get people to want to catch for him,and seeing as our roster compliments his skill set,“short accurate passes” well benefit from having him on the team. Pat white is practice squad eligible,and i hardly see a team wanting to poach an undersized qb that has yet to complete a proffesional pass.
Give white a year,do to him with thiggy,what we did with henne and penne,only add penne in there to teach the composure aspect. It all depends on length of contract,and how long he wants to keep playing. Ease him into the role of qb coach. Besides,look wat the saints did with mark brunell. He could have been a starter on 20 other teams,but he accepted his role and has a ring to show for it.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 9, 2010 9:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Thigpen is young.
He is good too!
He prove in KC that he was great. Ppl in KC feel like a Ganon de-javu . Just go to there side and ask. Remeber Ganon? the one the send the Raiders to the SB? after KC got rit of him and kept Green? Guys dont think of Thigpen as a sloppy back up and a mediocre qb. Not saying he will take away Henne #1 spot, but he will make Henne sweet a lot and i think he will make a hell of a run for the starting position.
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Pennington should resign
So am I saying he should come back or quit?
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Thigpen is cheap (half a mil) & free next year and White has 3 years left with 2 mil? still left. Henne has two years left. Signing Penne to a short term deal (for several mil?) doesn’t make sense.
At present, we really don’t have much long term stability at QB.
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Except for Henne, he seems to be the solution we've been waiting for.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 9, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Will Pennington take the #2 role
If he will resign Pennington and keep Tyler. Sad part is will we get anything for Pat White in a trade? He has yet to complete one pass and he only wants to play QB.
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If he’s alright with being the backup, this is a no-doubter in my mind. As far as who to get rid of, White’s the guy. He’s useless as a QB, end of story.
Turn him into a WR or RB…otherwise show him the door.
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Pat White has only played 1 year of nfl football. i think we may be writing him off to quickly. Realistically it takes a qb about 3 years to really get things down. think about when we saw henne in his first year…. we still didnt know if he was our guy or not…. give white one more year and im positive he will improve. you guys are forgetting he is a proven winner. the trifecta is not going to trade/cut him any way because they will get nothing for him at this point in time. at least give him one more year to see if we can improve his trade value..
Even Brady Quinn completed more passes than Pat White
try him at reciever or KR/PR, if he can’t make it, send him on his way
The torch has been passed, and Henne has added fuel to the fire!
Even though
most qbs don’t hit their stride until their 3rd year, White did not come close to hitting a receiver all year. Most qbs at least complete a pass their first year playing. I will agree with keeping White on the practice squad but trading a legitimate qb in Thigpen for a potential qb doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
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10 years of experience has to be worth something, and I like that on the sidelines with Henne. But his shoulder will get injuried again if pressed in to service, that is a fact and I don’t like that at all. However, I’m going with Thigpen over White.
by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 9, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
And if that happens, the Pat White mini will lose some of it's luster.........
by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 9, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
i'll take it
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by texascowpunk on Feb 9, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
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Please resign Penny!!
we have a young starter.. What does every young starter need? A veteran backup!!! The other backups are young and just as inexperienced. Pat White is not a QB, he’s a situational player..A randle-El type, hopefully. Thigpen is a prospect but really so is Henne too. So why have the same 2 players on the team. Resign Chad and unfortunately Thiggy has got to go because we can;t give up on that waste of a second rounder White.
by Phins 08 AFC East Champs on Feb 9, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions
if he 100% i say we keep him
white,although i like him,i think he proved he’s just not big,or tuff enough to play qb,rb,or wr at this point. i say put him on the pratctice squad,and let him(baulk up) develop a year. henne #1,thiggy is a very solid #2,and penny would be an outstanding #3.thats three good qb’s IMO,and this way there is no qb controversy.
keep him
Pat White is a joke, he’ll never be an NFL qb. Hell, my old out of shape ass could do as well as White did. And thats not sayin much…lol. Penne would be a great support system for Henne, and then maybe once Penne decides he’s done, he’ll take that role of qb coach and possilby eventually offensive coordinator.
It looks like they are going to make him jump through some hoops to stay.
And they’re hoops CP10 might not be able to clear.
Pennington, who underwent his most recent shoulder surgery to repair a torn labrum on Oct. 1, must prove strong enough to make some of the most difficult throws in football. Specifically, the team wants to see Pennington make a 15-yard out route before the end of February, one source said.
Might be a moot point.
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by Neo on Feb 9, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously there's a few thing to consider... and Matty asked te right thinking questions...
Before a player is resigned, what does one consider?
Was the team doing just fine without Pennington?
I believe last year was a good view to the future of the starting position. But at times, it also showed what was lacking. White looked as nervous as Nemo in the dentist chair when he was on the field.
What does Pennington add to the back-up situation, what does he detract from?
I believe Pennington would be more of a distraction than a help. It’s time for Henne to fly on his own, make his own style of study and training, and decisions. Time for him to look into himself for “the pump talk” so-to-speak.
Is there someone out there worth considering and taking that would fit the team’s situation better. Either in free agency or thru the draft?
In the draft, maybe someone like Max Hall, BYU, in the 4th or 5th round.
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I know I am going to get shot for this…but I dont think you give up on the shrimp patty experiment just yet. I know, I know, I can hardly believe I said it myself. But, look at it this way….what talent could we get in this years draft in the 2nd round? Kindle, etc etc? Well, that is the exact pick we used last year on White….the same pick we didnt give up for Boldin. So, do you throw a 2nd pick away that easily? I wouldnt just yet….unless someone out there really wants to trade for shrimp patty, and I doubt that.
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Sign Pennington
Henne is the future, but I see his development progressing more with CP as his mentor, than Thigpen or White nipping at his heels. I haven’t seen much of Thigpen, but I think he’d provide more return in a trade than White, which would leave the coaching staff another season to sort out this ‘experiment’.
The vote is a loaded question
Who in their right mind wouldn’t want a leader like CP10 on our team? However, the reality is can he really play in the NFL after a 3rd shoulder surgery? I would certainly want him as a coach but not as a player. If Henne were to go down, I’d really like to see what Thigpen and White can do.
What if the Dolphins used the Matt Naggy Plan?
Last year the Eagles signed a back up QB as an “intern” coach. Then used him durring OTAs and camp. This allowed them to have insurance at QB if an injury occurred but did not take up a roster spot. What if the Fins signed CP10 as a coach but incouraged him to stay in shape…
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Bye Pat White
Bring back Pennington as backup.Cut Pat White,admit the mistake,move on.I get sick to my stomach when I see White run onto the field.
This is a tough one.
We want a leader on our team…but shouldn’t that be Henne’s job now?
Of course I’d like him to come back…but I think Thiggy is the better at option as the backup, because he can learn the Wildcat.
Maybe resign him, and trade him away…but that’s pretty mean.
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best scenario:
starter: Henne
backup: Pennington
3rd: Thigpen
white doesnt really fit in. he has proven to us that he cant play qb in the nfl, and worse, he cant begin to improve until he is able to beging practicing after that massive hit
Henne is the best of the three remaining QBs to start, and we all know that
Pennington would be a great locker room leader, and will continue to mentor henne
thigpen: i still really like him as a wildcat player and as a backup, i like his mobility, and his confidence (not based on just the steelers game, also his 08 season in KC), i agree that he is a great future backup for us, who can still play at a high enough levl to helpus win games when our leader is out
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I'm in agreement with Neo (on the controversy issue) and ct (on not giving up on Pat White)
CP does nothing for the team except create a problem for Henne. Like I’ve said multiple times the last couple weeks, one multi-INT game from Henne, and fans, radio show hosts, and journalists are all calling for Pennington. That won’t happen if Thigpen or White are the backups. You might have the occasional nutbar calling for Thigpen, but it won’t be a full-blown controversy that the entire team is gonna have to deal with.
We start out badly (say, 1-3), and some of the vets on the team may start doubting Henne and looking for Pennington to take over. Now you have a problem within the team. Pennington, of course, will be a class act about it and won’t say anything to stir the pot, but it’s not him that’s the problem. We don’t need our young franchise QB looking over his shoulder and constantly wondering if the team supports him.
I don’t know how much Pennington has left. He was not very good to start last season, then he had ANOTHER surgery on his throwing shoulder. The risk of bringing him back far outweighs any “mentoring” he would do IMO. Henne has listened and learned for the last 2 seasons, it’s time for him to step up and be the leader instead of playing the student. It was fun for a year, but the Pennington Project was simply to bridge us from “no QB” to “good QB.” I believe we are there, so the project is over. I wish him luck in finding another gig, but it shouldn’t be here.
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Another pro in resigning Pennington
Regardless of who the FO keeps, be it White or Thigpen, he could also serve as a mentor to those two like he did for Henne. I’d imagine we’d be willing to keep 4 QBs at least through the preseason, get them some playing time and hopefully increase value to trade one of them.
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It all depends on how Pennington's throwing and shoulder test out in March.
If it is good to go, then I say sign him to back up and money and if he wants it great. Keep him around. If it isn’t there yet, then you pretty much have to cut and run.
If Pennington does stay around, move White to WR at least officially. And as he is not your backup or emergency QB, you are no longer all that worried about him getting hurt throwing more Wildcat at him. Coaches are notoriously paranoid about their back-up QBs getting hurt. After all they are the insurance policies. Who likes living without insurance? Back to the Wildcat, Ronnie definitely runs it well, but who knows if he will be around either. White has more upside running it. Pat White is a great athlete. Think of him in open space against the secondary. He has the speed and skills to play WR. So don’t see the need to just chuck him. As a QB though, I thought it was pretty obvious last year that the NFL game at QB was just moving too fast for White at this point in his career. Give him some WR time and you also have an emergency QB as well.
It seems to me to be a luxury if Pennington is willing and wants to come back to the Dolphins as a back-up. He has been nothing but class and professional his entire career. That wouldn’t change if he were the back-up. Fans might want to create QB controversy, but I can pretty much guarantee trouble wouldn’t be coming from Pennington. And he will be great insurance and a great teacher for the other QBs we keep. Even still helping out White for those wildcat moments.
If Pennington is able bodied and willing to be a Dolphin for back-up money, I think you gotta keep him.
Keep Chad.
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I can just imagine Henne
getting us out to a big early lead and Pennington being brought in to control the clock for the rest of the game. Nobody controls the clock like Pennington. I mean leads of over 14 points though, which I feel Henne does have the ability. And Henne would never come out if we didn’t get up by that much as he is the best choice for a come from behind victory.
Henne definitely needs some help with his clock management skills, and I could see this being the deal for a year. ONE year.
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Bring him back
I think he should be brought back. He can be used as a motivator, mentor, player/coach. After being in the NFL for 10 years he brings a wealth of knowledge. I kind of look at him now after another shoulder injury and surgery as the “Don Strock” of the team. The future is Henne but Pennington can be that go to guy in the clutch…if he wants and is willing to accept that role.
I was not able to see all of the games but, I do not think Pat White is our answer in any capacity as quaterback. The NFL is not the Big East. Maybe I am wrong (probably) but maybe as a receiver he can find his niche with the team. I do not think we could unload him for what we had to invest to get him!
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