Henne vs. Flacco vs. Ryan
"With the third overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select Matt Ryan, quarterback, Boston College."
Several draft choices later…
"With the eighteenth overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select Joe Flacco, quarterback, Delaware."
Commissioner Roger Goodell had said what every Falcon and Raven fan wanted to hear. And why not? According to most scouts, these were the two best quarterbacks in the draft. Miami, at the time had just drafted Jake Long, the beast of the trenches, a choice that clearly indicated the urgent need for an offensive upgrade in South Beach.
By pick fifty six, the third quarterback was drafted. Brian Brohm of Louisville was taken by the Green Bay Packers. On the very next pick, Miami was on the clock. They took Chad Henne from Michigan.
Now, between fifty-seven and three is fifty-four spots (for all you math whizzes), but on Sunday’s, we now can see that fifty-seven is actually much closer to number three than most of us thought. And, let me tell you this… I’m not saying Chad Henne is the best QB out of this draft, but I am here to say that after grabbing a two-time Pro Bowler in Jake Long with the first pick overall, the Dolphins can arguably say that they took the number three pick in the draft, too.
Henne is at a disadvantage when being compared to Ryan or Flacco, because he only has one solid year under his belt, and it wasn’t even a full season behind center. Ryan and Flacco have been starters for basically two complete seasons. They deserve credit for being thrown right into the fire and coming out successful. Henne took his rookie year learning from Chad Pennington, as we know, and when it came Henne’s turn to lead the offense, it was evident Henne was properly battle-tested from Pennington’s guidance.
So, the fairest way to look at the three quarterbacks of the 2008 NFL Draft was to break down the statistics to game averages. And remember, Henne doesn’t have the experience as Ryan and Flacco have thus far. Henne was thrown in during blow outs in his rookie year, and statistically didn’t produce because he was put in situations where he couldn’t get into a rhythm. But, nonetheless, Henne caught up to his draft classmates by the end of his second season in the league. Take a look at Henne…
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G |
GS |
Comp |
Att |
Pct |
Yds |
Avg |
TD |
Int |
Sck |
SckY |
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2009 Yds/G |
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Matt Ryan |
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2009 |
14 |
14 |
263 |
451 |
58.30 |
2916 |
6.50 |
22 |
14 |
19 |
92 |
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208.29 |
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2008 |
16 |
16 |
265 |
434 |
61.10 |
3440 |
7.90 |
16 |
11 |
17 |
104 |
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Difference |
-2 |
-2 |
-2 |
17 |
-2.80 |
-524 |
-1.40 |
6 |
3 |
2 |
-12 |
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Totals |
30 |
30 |
528 |
885 |
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6356 |
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38 |
25 |
36 |
196 |
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Career Game |
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17.60 |
29.50 |
59.66 |
211.87 |
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1.27 |
0.83 |
1.20 |
7 |
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Joe Flacco |
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2009 |
16 |
16 |
315 |
499 |
63.10 |
3613 |
7.20 |
21 |
12 |
36 |
218 |
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225.81 |
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2008 |
16 |
16 |
257 |
428 |
60.00 |
2971 |
6.90 |
14 |
12 |
32 |
276 |
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Difference |
0 |
0 |
58 |
71 |
3.10 |
642 |
0.30 |
7 |
0 |
4 |
-58 |
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Totals |
32 |
32 |
572 |
927 |
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6584 |
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35 |
24 |
68 |
494 |
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Career Game |
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17.88 |
28.97 |
61.70 |
205.75 |
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1.09 |
0.75 |
2.13 |
15 |
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Chad Henne |
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2009 |
14 |
13 |
274 |
451 |
60.80 |
2878 |
6.40 |
12 |
14 |
26 |
176 |
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205.57 |
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2008 |
3 |
0 |
7 |
12 |
58.30 |
67 |
5.60 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
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Difference |
11 |
13 |
267 |
439 |
2.50 |
2811 |
0.80 |
12 |
14 |
26 |
176 |
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Totals |
17 |
13 |
281 |
463 |
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2945 |
12.00 |
12 |
14 |
26 |
176 |
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Career Game |
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16.53 |
27.24 |
60.69 |
173.24 |
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0.71 |
0.82 |
1.53 |
10 |
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NOTE: THIS PART OF THE TABLE WAS LEFT OUT. IT REPRESENTS YARDS/GAME FOR 2009 SEASON. COLORS MATCH WITH QUARTERBACK.
| 208.29 |
| 225.81 |
| 205.57 |
First, if Ryan and Flacco are considered "franchise quarterbacks", then I think we are right on track to finding ours, too. Between these three rising quarterbacks, Henne and the Dolphins were fourth in the run game, followed by a close fifth of Flacco’s Ravens, just thirty one yards behind. With that said, both Henne and Flacco are considered run-first offenses. I consider Atlanta (15th run offense) to be one too, despite Michael Turner going down. However, the thing about Miami is that as the season progressed, the Dolphins went away from the run game and relied on Henne more and more.
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Henne notched three 300+ yard passing games in his last five games. If he stayed in against Pittsburgh in the last game, he was just below pace of breaking the 300 yard mark (140 yards at half). Clearly, Henne can get the job done. However, Henne threw for more INT’s than TD’s during this stretch, too. These are something experience will help with.
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Flacco—the most successful QB out of these three quarterbacks (playoff wins) really is just flashy. He’s good for a 300+ game, then disappears into the mix of two or more games around 175 yards. For example, Flacco, through weeks 8-14 only got over the 200 yard mark twice, and only recorded four touchdown throws in these seven weeks. Not very good. But, he then exploded for four TD’s and broke the 300 yard mark in week fifteen. So, Flacco is up and down, but finds a way to win. I’d still take Henne at the end of this year over Flacco, although I wish Henne had the 6’6" height like Flacco.
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Matt Ryan is probably the most consistent out of the three. But, unlike Miami or Baltimore, Ryan has an elite receiver to throw to in Roddy White and a Hall of Famer in Tony Gonzalez. Considering those targets, I expected more from Ryan this past season, especially in yards per game—because 22 TD’s and 14 INT’s are very solid numbers. Ryan only broke 300 yards once this year, and came against San Francisco. However, Ryan was consistently in the 200’s for yards week in and week out. But, would you settle for consistency even when your team is down? Ryan really hasn’t made any notable big plays in the spot light. Henne cruised down to victory over the Jets in just his second career start. Again, Henne—end of the season—getting over 300 yards against solid teams at the end of the year in his first actual year of playing… with the receivers we have… I like Henne over Ryan, too.
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The one thing I want to end on Henne is that he only had 12 TD’s this year. Ryan, in his first season as a starter, only had 16 TD’s, and Flacco had 14. Both threw for over 20 TD’s in their second year as starters. That being said, Henne should shine next season, even if we don’t upgrade at the receiver spot.
I’m convinced we took the first overall pick and the third overall pick of the 2008 Draft.
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The last thing I want to mention is our Front Office. It seems like every two seconds someone is posting about a free agent or draft pick. We’ve been throwing around some big time names, too. Boldin, Wilfork, Dansby, and Rolle are three that highlight the talk around The Phinsider this offseason so far. But, how probable is it we pick up free agents like these? Let’s think back to Sparano’s first year. On March 1, the Dolphins signed five players (Justin Smiley, Reggie Torbor, and Randy Starks to name a few). The three players just listed were all signed for five years except Torbor (four years). So clearly, the Front Office was investing in a long term solution. Two days later, Yeremiah Bell re-signed for a one year deal, too. So, bottom line is that anything is possible with this organization if we truly want it. Now, Boldin, Wilfork, and company are certainly on a different scale than those who were signed March 1, 2008—but it doesn’t mean anything. The majority of these years’ free agents are unhappy where they are now. And the sun is always shining in Miami, so let’s take a shot at a few.
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 7, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions
That was actually nicely done
And I completely agree. You made a very nice point on the whole “consistency” vs. “upside” (for lack of a better word) argument between Ryan and Henne. I think it was Dan Henning who said that Henne would ultimately become a better QB/player than Matt Ryan, and I’ll be honest, at the pace they’re developing and where each QB was at the end of their first season, I think he’ll be right.
Ryan is very solid, don’t get me wrong. But he seems, as you put it, more consistent than anything else. You won’t lose much with a consistent quarterback, but as we saw with Chad Pennington last season, you won’t win much, either*.
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 7, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
you guys also have to realize that both atlanta and baltimore have more weapons on offense henne had his 1st year
Flacco had Derrick mason and todd heap plus a better run game in his rookie year, ryan had roddy white, those are better wideouts then we will have next year
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 7, 2010 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wish I could remember who told me but
I was told I was crazy fot thinking Henne could be compared to the “1st rders” of Flacco and Ryan. Very nicely done.
So the FO basically traded Ryan for Long and Henne? Looking at these numbers, ok, thats fine.-)
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"If he wants to, we can throw all day," Henne said. "I love it. Put it in my hands in pressure situations."
it could be one of the best drafts ever
we should know in a few years haha
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 7, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Good job on the post sir! Rec'd!
I think we have our QB of the future without a doubt.
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 7, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Good post Peezy,
I’m just not sure that Ryan and Flacco are franchise QBs yet, but I like what Henne has brought to the table so far.
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i like it to lol
I think hes going to have a great year next year
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 7, 2010 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do as well.
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by uncle finster on Feb 7, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
In fairness to Flacco...
he was injured at times and it really showed in the postseason. He’s got better receivers than Henne (re: as in one guy really, that being Mason) but not as good as Ryan’s.
I think Flacco has the potential to be better long term than Ryan, he’s got more upside.
As for Henne, probably too early but there’s reason to be encouraged. 2010 will tell us a lot about him…
great job peezy
Soon with Henne we could be superbowl contenders and im excited
Chillin in the Henne ERA!!!!
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by DPL3 Rollin on Feb 7, 2010 4:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Key word: Soon
(i hope lol)
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 7, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
lol i hope as well
Chillin in the Henne ERA!!!!
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by DPL3 Rollin on Feb 7, 2010 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice post
I believe that if Henne had guys like White and Gonzalez to throw to, we would’ve seen bigger numbers from him this season. Certainly his TD’s would’ve been better, and he probably would’ve thrown fewer INT’s because he wouldn’t have to force balls into coverage when no WR was able to get open.
It seems like we did the same thing SD did in 01, instead of taking the top QB (Vick) they got pretty much a sure-thing player in Tomlinson (they traded back to 5 for him), and took a chance on a second round QB (Brees at pick 32). We took a bigger chance by passing on a QB again at 32 and taking Merling, but it ended up working out because we were able to get the QB we liked in the 2nd, and got a sure-fire starter at 1. Little risk, high reward pick in Long, but it was still risky passing on a QB. When it doesn’t work out, it’s a blunder, but when you can get the guy you like and he turns out to be a player, it’s shrewd drafting. Happy to see that it appears to be working in our favor.
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agreed Nicky u always know wat u talkin about
Chillin in the Henne ERA!!!!
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by DPL3 Rollin on Feb 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Always? That may be a stretch!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 7, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes
Bullshitting is more intelligent than thought-out responses.
Especially for Nicky.. ;)
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It is when its all you got!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 7, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hey you know I've got your back but also cant pass up a free shot!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 7, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
he should be happy ppl are giving him shit for reasons other than being small
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 7, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well sure but he takes a lot of shit for a lot of things.
That being said the short thing is a classic for sure!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 7, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
SSSHHH!! i was just being nice haha
Chillin in the Henne ERA!!!!
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by DPL3 Rollin on Feb 7, 2010 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol thanks
I do what I can (shines fingernails on shirt) lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 7, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Very nice post
The only thing I wanted to see out of Henne this year was how fast and to what extent the game slowed down for him and by his 3rd start he had already started adjusting, going through his reads and wasn’t constantly staring his guy down.
I predict leaps and bounds better next year..and he was pretty damn good this past year IMO.
by firedanhenningnow on Feb 7, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions
agreed
Chillin in the Henne ERA!!!!
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by DPL3 Rollin on Feb 7, 2010 8:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Peezy, you stepped your game up on this one.
Rec’d as hard as humanly possible. Well done, sir.
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 7, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I know. Very pumped.
I’ve been really busy lately with work and then getting on at the KU SBN site as a writer, so I don’t comment here much anymore, but I still read daily.
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ooh very cool. well good luck vs Texas haha
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 8, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I still hope Thigpen does good
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I agree and disagree
Ok you hae a good point but whas has henne done ever in his career playing college and pro? he started 4 years at michagan and won 1 our of 4 bowl games he chocks under pressurer it has been shown time and time again.
I like henne and am glad we have someone decent on our QB roster CP is better game manager henne has the better arm.
To put him in the same league as Matty Ice is not evan right matty ice was a star in collage and we all knew comeing out he was gonna be a star in the NFL.
now Henne is our clear future but to me i would rather have a guy that is well known for what he can do instead of what he cant do. he won one bowl game and it wasnt him who won it it was his D .So you honestly think he can win the big game if it rest on his sholders?
again im a trifect fan and i have loved miami since 1981 but to actually not be sceptical to if he can do the job or not is not very good if we drafted a colt mccoy or evan the leader in teabow i think we would have a better guy sitting behind center .
I know we will never get MCcoy but i would love them to do i think henne can be great yes but he will always be remebered for all the times he got there and failed in college and never got to the big game sure give him a WR who is a #1 and he can work with but the bottom line if we are down by 6 in the last two minutes in the Superbowl with him about to lead us to victory i will be very worried that he can get it done.
is Henne good yes is he accurate yes dose he make stupid mistakes that cost us games yes buffalo was a big slap to us who’s fault was it it was Henne’s no one elses
he is the QB he needs to play smart and not throw stupid balls in places he dosnt belong i like the kid and will always like him but im also not blind to say he is our answer or he is evan close to being as good as Ryan flacco is ok but not great either he dosnt belong on a level like ryan.
lol
He won his bowl game vs UF his Senior year 41-35. Go Defense!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
until you mentioned tebow being a better choice behind center, i can get what ur saying
But as a “rookie”, you should expect Henne to make bad throws in key games. He’s still learning and far from perfect… but the theme of the post was how Henne is playing like a third pick overall, not how college career will determine the NFL career.
And what level of Ryan are you talking about? With the receivers he has, he should be playing much better. He had a case of the “sophomore slump”.
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 8, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no that's fine
That’s gotta be why just about everybody is praising Henne. Definitely spot on.
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 8, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
College QBs
You can’t evaluate a pro QB based on what they did in college. Tom Brady struggled to be a starter in college. He turned out ok. Peyton Manning never could win a national championship, but his replacement, Tee Martin did. Which would you rather have?
LOL
Henne can having a promising season with a bright future and peeps continue to give him hell. Ginn on the other hand can’t do sh*t in the WR position for 3 yrs and they’ll keep making excuses. I just don’t get it.
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Just because the majority believes one thing does not necessarily mean it is right.
Theres always someone thats not happy and then there are those that just have no idea what they are talking about.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 13, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
uno the jet's hate that we have ginn imean they can count 2 losses every year & they may be willing to give 2 1st. round picks for him which would work for the miami dolphins
by wild zion beaver on Feb 13, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Yeah if they give us that we would take it for sure.
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 13, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
2 1st rders for ginn?! DONE!
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
Just because the majority believes one thing does not necessarily mean it is right.
From anyone!!!!!!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 13, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
well usee the reason i say this if we dont have ginn then the jets have a by the first playoff game & they look down at us from there perch
also the coach say’s that every team in his devision has to kiss his ring finguer & he wood go on talking about how we are his doormat in the south
by wild zion beaver on Feb 13, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
If the were going to be stupid enough to give away 2 number 1's for him
then you jump on it like……………….. never-mind this is not a CKC.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 13, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
It could be #1 & #3 this year & #2 & #4 next year yathink!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Feb 14, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Even more insane but better.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 14, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
hay man i dislike the jet organization that much!
but what i’m saying has merrit?
by wild zion beaver on Feb 14, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hate them as well but I am afraid that it does not have
merit based on the fact that it will NEVER happen.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 14, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
True. I guess a bit redundant there.
Wait why are you giving grammatical advice?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 14, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
lol
THE TYLER THIGPEN BAND-WAGON
I'M DRIVING IT WHO'S BRAVE ENOUGH TO JUMP ON?!?!?!?!
With the #12 pick in the 2010 Draft the Miami Dolphins pick ...... CJ SPILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pilot of the CJ SPILLER cobra helicopter
OOOOOOOOO C-A-N-E-S AHHHHH(crowd yelling at kickoff!!!)
we did have marino but its not like the fan's ever ragged on him the same way we r ragging on ginn
by wild zion beaver on Feb 14, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
You should receive a warning or at least be flagged for
comparing Ginn to Marino!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 14, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
i've done that a couple of time's?!?
let me clearify, marino was a jet killer.ginn is a jet killer that is why the compairason, but that is were it end’s. now the raggin part, is cuz he is only great agenst one team. & he was a first rd pick, again so was marino. Opps so two things they can be compaired too.
by wild zion beaver on Feb 14, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Better!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 14, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
AB is no Frank Sanders, no wat that didn't come out right!
without fitzgerald Boldin get’s any & all double team’s so maybe they needed each other like ginn needs boldin if for no other reason to learn from?
sad but true maybe!!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Feb 14, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I always thought Ginn was return specialist prior to the draft neo
so I was quite surprised by the pick but thought..change field position and maybe use his speed at least as a decoy in the passing game,whatever.. but I NEVER expected him to be a full time receiver MUCH LESS a #1 but it seems you and the majority did and do.
IF he ever has even moderate success as a WR it will be on a team with a #1 and an OC who calls plays in an aggressive manner so I’m not delusional..the ones who thought we were getting a #1 WR just because he was selected #9 and has WCS are the delusional ones.That I do get!
by firedanhenningnow on Feb 13, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Good post!
I was already satisfied with Henne’s performance in his first year as a starter, but this makes me that much more excited about the 2010 season! We are going deep this year (as long as we can plug up that whole at MLB)!
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Driver of the Make David Lee OC Bandwagon
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inside linebacker could just be a big hole to fill!!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Feb 9, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions
Are!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
Chad henne is the future
If we can get these guys in the off season to start prepping with him, so they are more used to his throws. They can start with the whole timing thing. It will take more than just training camp to get this offense, as far as th epassing game is concerned, to the next level we need it to be. Henne needs that experience and that unspoken understanding with his teammates that catch the hay makers he calls throws.
Wide Receivers
I think the Trifecta realizes they have a potential star in Henne. I think they will get him a big time receiver this offseason. I think they will get a guy like Boldin and also draft a late round guy to develop, like Mike Williams, Freddie Barnes, or Mitchell Carlton.
Henne or Ryan ??
I have to agree with Shaun B. – right now Henne is NOT better than Ryan… I was a big Matty ICE fan coming out of college – and can’ understand why so many people were unsure of his future. HENNE improved a LOT this year, but regressed a little down the stretch. Let’s remember he SAT for a YEAR – which I also disagree with, because you learn very little sitting around…. yes – it helps their confidence and poise, knowing the playbook better, and they are better – but its a high cost to waste a year or two sitting. Also I would argue Henne, had a pretty good Oline, and run game this year to lean on. I EXPECT big things next year from HENNE if he is the real deal… time to STEP UP for sure… with same WR’s at LEAST 20 TD’s 10 INT, 3,200 yards MINIMUM !!!
with 1 better WR at #1 …. need to post at least these#‘s – 25 TD’s 12, INT’s 3,600 yards
that will be the proof….. and a 10 win season and playoff birth would go a LONG way to proving his status.
GO HENNE – really pulling for him to step forward and be a true PLAYMAKER.
40 Year FIN FAN
DRAFT a #1 WR now.........
I was a huge Ryan fan too and couldn't understand why people didn't like him either
Afew things you say I disagree with, but I will give you a chance to explain.
but regressed a little down the stretch
Please explain what you mean by this, I don’t get this at all. Are you talking about after he lost his starting RB in Brown?
Let’s remember he SAT for a YEAR – which I also disagree with, because you learn very little sitting around
How is it a “waste” if you learn confidence and poise, knowing the playbook better, and they are better ?
Also I would argue Henne, had a pretty good Oline, and run game this year to lean on
Disagree again. When Henne 1st starting games it looked like our O-line wasn’t protecing for him as good and they were for Pennington for some reason or another. And say what you will, they pulled Henne in that last game against Pitt simply because he was getting killed.
As far as our running game goes, Ricky filled in good. But he is no Ronnie Brown. Ronnie missed the Fins last 7 games, I’m sure you know. He was our starting RB.
And now getting back to Ryan, he took a HUGE step back this year. Are you saying our OL is better than thiers? I would argue no. Not to mention the Falcons had a pretty d@mn rushing attack of thier own. Not to mention Ryan had targets like Roddy White and the all-pro, all HOF TE to throw to.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
Just because the majority believes one thing does not necessarily mean it is right.
well said/ defended
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 14, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
i agree witcha
i DO think that, even though he sat, you still have to pretty much compare his 2009 season to their 208 seasons. no matter how much you learn riding the pine, there are important things (speed and timing things) that can ONLY be learned by playing. Henne began to learn this things this past season, and I would expect him to improve this coming season. Also, as you said the O-line was working on chemistry at the BEST of times, and with all the injuries, I think they were outstanding not to crumble entirely down the stretch.
Give Henne a real deep WR threat. Give him a solid D that can protect a lead. Give him a stable O-line and run game for a season. Then let’s measure his progress. Personally, I think the kid has tons of upside from his performance last season, and that ain’t too bad.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 15, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
thanks lefty
El Peezy... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Feb 15, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
What I found interesting and good is that Henne produced a 2009 about equivalent to Ryan
without having played in 2008.
So, as was said before I like the trade our FO made – Ryan for Long & Henne!
and goo 4 U el peezy (the only true peezy!)
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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the best Peezy lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
the only peezy
that jackass who tried to steal the nick is now known as J Princess
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Attorney General of the Matty I Fan Club
Driver of the draft Brandon Spikes or Rolando McClain at 12th pick bandwagon
And from this point forward should be the only Peezy we recognize as Peezy.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha this is a good conversation
El Peezy... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Feb 15, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Says the one and Only Peezy!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
sig worthy
"the one and Only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
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by el presidente 00 on Feb 15, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
haha yep im the lone Peezy now lol
& thanks for the rec!
El Peezy... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Feb 15, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions

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