GM Jeff Ireland defends Gibril Wilson

soak your hands in coconut butter, soften them up yougster. get your ass in there & work very hard earn that comback player of the year award!!!!

And don’t anyone tell me it is Clemmons. He sucked when he was in last year too. In fact he sucked so bad that the coaching staff had to put Wilson back in.

That sad fact is the reason I think the 4 DB’s that should start are Allen, Smith, Davis, and Bell. They are the 4 best DB’s on the roster. Get them on the field and then figure out what position they should play.

Excellent writing in your synopsis of the situation.
Can Ginn play safety?

Has Eric Berry falling to 11th. Surely that cannot be right?

If so…11th is only one spot ahead of 12th…

I’m just saying…

but i really dont see it happening.

as much as i love this front office, it always sucks not being in the mix of things in big name free agents. i was really surprise to see that we actually have a good chance of getting karlos dansby. all well. i trust they will make the right choice, i just really hope they arent trying to cover their ass by saying gibril is really improving. i shouldnt take you 7 years to start improving as a player.

i dont like the guy as a player and i hope to see someone else in that position in the beginning of the season and hopefully wont have to wait till mid way through the season for them to finally admit they made a mistake. knowing we could have had a proven PRO BOWL free safty instead

that play, by the way, was featured on a Super Bowl commercial

Dude, I was watching the super bowl with a Saints fan friend, and a Pats fan friend. When that Dolphins helmet came out of the side of the screen in slow motion, nowhere near Reggie Bush, I almost died of shame. The slow motion even made more unbearable.

Still trying to figure out how everything works, I’ll get it eventually.

It wasn’t Wilson’s fault that he sucked last season. Actually, maybe he really didn’t suck… if the responsibility for the number of bad plays that we thought were Wilson’s fault, and split those 4 ways among all the DBs, then Wilson actually played pretty good. Yeah, that’s it, it’s me. I was interpreting what I saw in the games all wrong.

My bad.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

Maybe it’s that the 07 Giants were beasts up front and the other two were the opposite.

Then the Raiders play him out of position which may have taken away from his continuity at FS and then the Fins move him back to FS, a position he’s been away from for a year and put him in an inexperienced secondary with no apparent pressure up front.

My opinion is Ireland think that with Nolan they can create the pressure up front that might make Wilson effective.

My cup is half full so at least he spent 09 gaining chemistry with young players and relearning the FS position which might sound silly but a year away should at least make you a bit rusty.

Maybe he could play some coverage on the flies then

Maybe he should say Gibril’s really suckin’, oh,… btw, does anybody want to trade for him?

I feel bad for the guy..
I really hope he turns his game around next year for his and the teams sake

just pointing out that you can’t take anything the Raiders do and infer something useful from it. They traded Randy Moss for a 4th round pick, and he went on to set the single-season record for receiving TD’s. They paid Asomugha, a cornerback, 3 (guaranteed) years at QB pay. They traded a likely top 10 pick for Richard Seymour. They drafted Jamarcus Russell. They drafted a WR that couldn’t catch 7th overall, and followed that up with a “projected by everybody” 7th round safety in round 2, in the same draft. They are clueless at all levels in that organization. You can’t really tell anything about Wilson based solely on him being cut from Oakland

For all the ‘he was playing out of position’ arguments, none of that explains his numerous & glaring missed tackles, his horrendous positioning, and the terrible angles he took on what ended up being big plays against opposing offenses.

I’m not buying the argument of the two young corners, he looked bad even when Will Allen was in there.

So why is Ireland defending him? Well, considering Ireland was no doubt a big part of the decision to sign him in the first place, I have to take it as a sort of pep-talk to Wilson from Jeff himself. In short, get it together or get out – done through the media. A kind of, you better get it right and not make me look bad sort of comment.

True Gibril missed a few key tackles… but he made more tackles than a FS should ever have to make…. He was having to worry about flying up to the ball on every running play because our ILBs were giving 5 yds on every single running play it seemed…and that is if they even made the tackle… I really think that Chris Clemens can beat Gibril out this year… if not … it means that Gibril is having a much better year than 2009….

in Irelands defense of wilson… wilson did have some handicaps this year… he played behind JP and SS … neither of whom believe that tackling a ball carrier, let alone taking on a FB was in his job description… so as a result Gibril ended up close to the line a lot… that said …. that wasn’t the only reason he was frequently VERY late on deep help, as he frequently was caught watching the backfield and was very slow(statuesque wouldn’t be hyperbole) dropping back into coverage…. plus his tackling was much better over the last 8 verses the first 8 so my guess is the team feels that they can live with him while the develop a replacement this year… and if there isn’t a cap this year they can cut him at ANY point without a hit… so why not take him along and see where the young guys end up… where as bringing Rolle or another big money guy requires money, plus they may believe Clem might be the answer, and a FA would lock out the cheaper alternative from playing…

He would have to admit he was wrong otherwise. One who prides himself so much on his scouting prowess, as Ireland does, would do everything he could to defend himself especially his scouting talents.

On paper Wilson has one attribute to contribute at FS.

He is fast! That is hard to find a FS. If we can coach him up alittle maybe he will do better.

I have been saying the same thing about Wilson that Ireland did about the two young corners. There are other things that I think contributed to his lapse in play, and being out of position.

Yes he did struggle on his own at some points, but every player in the league struggles and does brain less things, we as fan just highlighted Gibril, because our expectations were higher for him.

Don’t forget he was new to the system and out of position and trying to over compensate for the two young corners.
I know this is an unpopular stance but, don’t think its the number one need with the defense or team

Wilson was absolutely TERRIBLE most of the year…. there is NO DEFENDING his poor tackling almost EVERY WEEK. I wish this was just “postering” with the hope of trading wilson, but its not. Now this what I have been talking about – the FRONT OFFICE – like most in the NFL- REFUSES TO ADMIT MISTAKES. Pat White – MISTAKE, P. Turner – MISTAKE, Shaun Murphy – MISTAKE….WILSON = HUGE MISTAKE !!! I really don’t want to hear their defense of Mr. GERBIL…. HE WAS JUST PLAIN TERRIBLE.
Now I admit that I also thought G. Wilson would be a success in Miami and I was also FOR the E. Wilford signing as well…. but you just have to admit when you are wrong and move on. In this CAP FREE YEAR you need to dump all losers……that’’s what i hate about all these NFL front offices…. YES we are much better off now than with the previous administrations’ – but there is a LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT with this administration… and I don’t want to hear anyone say there is’nt. Just because the team was horribly managed before – and now we are much improved – is NO REASON TO GIVE THIS FRONT OFFICE A PASS on their mistakes. GOOD JOURNALISM DEMANDS IT….. THANK YOU MATTY. ………………………..
They have made several – that I would NOT have made – and I am just an educated fan.
How many of YOU would have drafted PAT WHITE that high ? How about Shaun Murphy at Guard from UTAH – (maybe they should have looked at (iowa/nebraska/ or SEC teams for solid linemen… just a THOUGHT ! How about their refusal to do something with TEDD GINN ? and last year they left JASON TAYLOR twisting in the wind for a long time before FINALLY “low balling” him. He was a bargain last year – out played Porter, for almost nothing – that was NOT a management coup – just showed their arrogance.
And Patrick turner – He showed almost nothing at the combine, and was a classic underachiever in college as well.
I want to see a big improvement from the DRAFT stance and the FA signings. Please start with K. Dansby !!!!

in Safety tackles only three times(Ed Reed twice with 76 in ’04 and 85 in ’02) since 2001 where the average high is around 124 and the average low is 76?

Talk about a pie job!

…..cut Wilson and give the money to someone who will start and keep his job throughout the season and MAKE plays….isnt that the free safety’s job…MAKE PLAYS…not have plays made on them…..two words! GET ROLLE! Arizona doesnt want him….we could use him.

I didnt forget the MATT ROTH debacle…. there are just so many to mention… it gets difficult. also – I did admit that this FO has been our BEST in a long time. But, we as FANS deserve better. I really believe that these HIGH PAYING JOBS with an NFL franchise – are an ABSOLUTE BLESSING – and they carry a HUGE responisbility… they get paid a LOT of $$$ and therefore the performance bar is very high…. build a winner 0 then playoffs and eventually a CHAMPION or you have FAILED…..that’s just the way it is… PRO SPORTS are very demanding, and there is little room for failure. Its time we GET MORE from this franchise… I would have traded TEDD GINN for something…. Also Parcells himself said “if they dont bite as puppies…..” Does it look like to you that TURNER has any bite at all ? couldnt even make the active roster for god’s sake… thats absolute failure from a 3rd round pick…. Pat white – really you need to see more ? Ha haaaaaa…. And after 2 straight years of GERBIL stinking it up – you think he needs more time ? I just sayin that somteimes you need to MOVE ahead and admit mistakes. this FO – like most – won’t admit mistakes…. So how and WHY did they dump ROTH so easily – THEIR HUGE EGOS…. I am just tired of the EGO getting in the way of good decisions…. ASK ZACK what he thinks about Parcells EGO… and ZACK gave more to this team than PARCELLS EVER WILL… and I think ZT knows a little more about playing LB than the TUNA as well

It’s very distracting. By the end of your post, I’ve lost your point.

tunaflipper is right – and pretty funny… I do jump around a lot ! I was just trying to answer some of the points others made. To Alpha6 – cutting MATT ROTH was really stupid – First we are TERRIBLE at OLB/ILB right now – but more importantly if we had let him go via FREE AGENCY – we would have gotten a COMPENSATORY PICK in return…… does anyone ever watch how BILL-I-CHEAT does it ? He LETS PLAYERS GO – in order to get back a few COMP picks – FOR PLAYERS HE KNOWS HE DOSENT WANT ANY MORE.
Also – I gave recognition to the fact that this MGT have been the best in years – so its not like I would replace them. Just trying to say that THEY make mistakes and have a LOT of room to improve. too many of you “posters” believe EVERYTHING the Tunda and Co. are doing is great.