Scouting Combine Primer for Dolphin Fans, Part 1
On Wednesday, the influx of college football talent to Indianapolis begins. That's right - it's time for the 2010 NFL Scouting Combine. Though the on-field workouts don't begin until Saturday in Indy, the first group of positions report on Wednesday and begin going through the pre-exams, orientations, and interviews.
Every year, tons of people - fans and media alike - pay extreme attention to all of the drills that these potential draft picks go through even though they are barely wearing more than their underwear. Wouldn't it be better to see these guys run their drills - especially the 40 yard dash - in full pads? I guess that's a discussion for another day.
The bottom line here is that team scouts and scouts in the media put a lot of emphasis on these combine workouts. right or wrong, each player's performance on their specific day of drills will play a large role in where these kids get drafted in April's draft.
So the point of these posts is simple - to be very basic primers for some of the interesting story lines that are relevant to the Dolphins. And note that this is far from a comprehensive list. Instead, it's really an overview of just some of the things to look for.
How will Dez Bryant perform?
Whether you feel the Dolphins should draft Bryant (should he be on the board when Miami is on the clock) or not, his workout is going to be one of the most watched of the combine. On Tuesday, NFL Network's Mike Mayock was on a national conference call with the media and said that there have been some rumblings that Bryant was out of shape a few weeks ago. Considering he missed all but three games in 2009 due to his rather ridiculous suspension, Bryant's combine performance will be critical. He needs to prove that he's been working out and preparing for this. If the 6'2 Bryant measures in at around his playing weight of 215 to 220 pounds and runs a 4.4 to 4.5 40, he'll put everyone's fears to rest and solidify himself as an elite receiving prospect.
What will Rolando McClain run in his 40?
One of the most watched 40 yard dashes will come courtesy of the Alabama All-American linebacker. McClain is the best true inside linebacker in the draft. But when you turn on the film, one of the biggest complaints from those who aren't too high on McClain is his apparent lack of speed. Now a 3-4 ILB doesn't need to be insanely fast because they don't have to go sideline to sideline as much as a 4-3 MLB. However, the Dolphins already have a pair of slow starting linebackers and really don't need another one. On tape, McClain doesn't look exceptionally fast. But could that be because of the overall speed and athleticism on the Alabama defense he played in? Maybe. A good time for Rolando will be 4.7 or under. But if he times in at over 4.8, he's going to go down some slots in round one.
Which potential 3-4 outside linebackers will stand out the most?
One of the hardest things to do in the evaluation process of draft prospects is to figure out which college outside linebackers or defensive ends have the potential to play outside linebacker in a 3-4. Why? Probably because it requires a special skill set and most colleges don't run 3-4 defenses. Often times, athletic 4-3 defensive ends make the best outside linebackers in a 3-4. But it's always a risk to take one of those conversion guys early in the draft because you would be changing the kid's position and nobody really can be sure how he will take to the switch. Well the Dolphins obviously need to get younger and more athletic at the position and there are a number of potential candidates. Jason Pierre-Paul, Derrick Morgan, Ricky Sapp, and Brandon Graham are four potential conversion guys. Sergio Kindle, though, is probably the guy I like the most of all the possible 3-4 OLBs. Mike Mayock agrees, calling Kindle "an explosive edge rusher" who would "instantly upgrade" the Dolphins. In fact, he has Kindle rated as the seventh best player in the entire draft while he has the more heralded Rolando McClain ranked ten spots lower, declaring that he thinks "Kindle is a better player." But he'll have to show that he can do more than rush the passer - all of these potential outside linebackers do. The key drill will be the OLB positional drill when teams get a good look at how fluid these prospects are in their hips. An outside linebacker in a 3-4 has to be able to drop into coverage at times and they need to be able to change direction and swivel their hips easily. So keep an eye on those drills that test these kids' ability to do just that.
That's all for part one. Part two of this topic will follow tomorrow.
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Woo! Combine!
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by Choose your screen name: on Feb 24, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions
This should give us something else to talk about besides trades and Gerbil being a beast for a while
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by Choose your screen name: on Feb 24, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
heh heh heh
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i think both brandon graham and Derrick morgan are better then kindle
Im curious what jimmy grahams 40 time will be
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 24, 2010 12:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Im surprised -and glad- that you have Kindle rated so high, as well as Mayock.
Im 100% positive that if Parcells falls in love with any of the aforementioned OLBs he will take him. Plain and simple.
Just look at the ridiculous instant impact guys like Orakpo, Cushing and Mathews had in their teams rushing the passer as rookies. Making the pro bowl too.
I’d much rather take a gamble on a high ceiling OLB than take an ILB that nine out of ten people agree has got nothing on a guy like Patrick Willis. We can find one on later rounds.
He won’t take Spiller, that’s just a fact. It will be a cold day in hell when Parcells decides to ignore extremely glaring needs at both linebacker positions to draft a running back in the #12 spot.
I agree whole-heartedly
I’ve liked Kindle all off-season, but this post (for some odd reason) just tipped the scale toward wanting Kindle at 12 over the likes of Bryant, McClain, or Spiller (if all three even land here).
Kindle could be another Joey Porter, except younger and less idiotic. He’s explosive, and if there’s a coach that can get the most out of him, it’s Mike Nolan.
Between him and somebody like Derrick Morgan, I think we can land a stud.
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 25, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Kindle sorta reminds me of a younger version of a certain player on our roster
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Does Kindle remind anybody else of Jason Taylor?
He seems to have that speed and strength that taylor has, the great athleticisim, a similar physical build, and an enormous amount of talent.
I say we resign JT and draft Kindle and then JT can provide that leadership and mentoring much like Pennigton did for Henne. And imagine Kindle with Nolan as a coordinator, sounds like a sick D.
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I have a very good feeling about Brandon Graham and Sergio Kindle
granted……you can’t always go with a gut feeling, but I had the same feeling last year about Sean Smith and the year before about Chad Henne. I’m just sayin………..
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but how good are kindle are graham in coverage?
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 24, 2010 2:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
and how good is kindle is run support?
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 24, 2010 2:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
... think Orakpo of the Redskins...
… only more disruptive…
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Well the videos available in the net with plays against Tex Tech, Oklahoma, Alabama, Nebraska (Good OLs there)
Don’t show to many coverage drops. But from what is available Kindle is able to keep with RBs and TEs and he doesn’t allow to much YAC
From what I saw he is good holding the edge, and has the speed to help in the middle, somthing interesting is the most of the Runs showed in video are to the gut or the opposite of Kindle.
He is relentless going for QBs and don’t give up on plays, he is good finding the ball on the field. I got impressed with his speed when giving a hit, is like he has an extra shift when he knows a chance to hit is there.
I really got impressed with what I saw.
I hope we draft Demaryus Thomas!
I know he just broke his foot or something but this guy seems to be the real.
I think he’s 6-3, 220 he remains me of Andre Johnson. goods hands, fast (4.3) physical,
He might be available in the 3rd round.
Faster than Bryant
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by Choose your screen name: on Feb 24, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
He recently ran a verified 4.38
That is what Ginn ran after recovering from a broken ankle
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by Choose your screen name: on Feb 24, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
His routes are questionable though
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by Choose your screen name: on Feb 24, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed...
Georgia Tech’s weird offense means he doesn’t run routes and I think he’s too much of a project. I’m a fan of Carlton Mitchell. I think he’ll be on everyone’s radar after the combine. He’s fast, but if he can show good route running ability and good hands at the combine, I’d have no problem taking him in the late 2nd to 3rd round area.
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I wonder ....
I know the chart is only a guideline…. So if we could trade this year’s first round pick and next year’s draft to move up to #2… I would feel really good about going and getting a NT that could step in and take over for Ferguson. I think the fact that next year there will probably be a rookie salary cap might make our next year’s 1st round pick be worth more than it has been in the past.
Technically ....
the value for the #2 pick in the draft would be this year’s first and second, and next year’s first…. We would get a young anchor for our defense that could step in immediately. I think we can address some of our other needs through free agency…. If we can pick up Karlos Dansby, and Chris Clemens steps into the FS role next year(or Gibril starts to play FS instead of ILB) and Patrick Turner starts to develop into a number one receiver(a little too early to call the kid a bust isn’t it??)…. we will not really need to do much else… maybe we can pick up a TE to help out our young QB… I really think Lex Hiliard can be a compliment to Ronnie Brown for a couple of years(you have to resign your super stars)
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
if thats the case go out and get wilfork
I’m sure that would get Wilfork and he is the best out there period!!!! no rolling the dice.
The problem with that plan...
Is we would be giving the Patriots our #1 draft pick for the next 2 years …. I would much rather give it to the Rams or the Lions….
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
besides the cost of trading up AND the cost of signing that pick
the problem with your statement, in my opinion, is that neither Suh nor McCoy are nose tackles. They are 4-3 DTs, but would be 3-4 DEs.
why let all these pesky details (aka reality & facts)
get in the way of a good tuesday morning armchair QB session? ;-)
I think they could both make the conversion ....
They are big and fast … but they are both powerful enough to play NT….
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
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by PhinsTifosi on Feb 24, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
wait....
It would take this year’s 1st and 3rd round, and next year’s 1st round …. Then we can still pick a receiver in round 2 that can develop, pick up Dansby in FA, etc, etc….
Kindle at 12th is too high
Kindle can definitely make the transition to a 3-4 defense, and play very well opposite say J.T and Wake but even if he is the guy the trifecta want we could maybe get him at least 10 picks lower.
Agreed
His combine would have to be phenomenal to warrant a top 20 pick let alone #12. If he has a good combine, we might lose out on him if we trade down into the early 20’s. I’m not completely sold on Kindle but he did look good in the BCS national championship and has some good potential.
I still say we need to trade down (even if all we get is a 1st round swap and the other teams 3rd round pick) and pick up Weatherspoon, Graham or Kindle. Which one would be determined by the combine results since none of them are slam dunk picks but each has flaws that can be worked on. Size and speed wise, it looks like Kindle would be the guy but there are other options to consider (Jason Pierr-Paul, Ricky Sapp, NT) and I still say go with Graham. I’ll take the smaller intense physical player over a finesse guy anyday.
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 24, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Is anyone else hoping that Bryant's stock falls a little during the combine,
Then we can snatch him up!
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Bryant's
combine is going to be closely watched. Watching his games & archived highlights, I tend to think his straightline speed isn’t all that – I don’t see consistent separation from college defenders. If he pulls off a < 4.5 though I think a lot of people will be impressed.
I think most NFL people already know what he can do and what he can't. As you say, everybody
knows his not a speedster. However, I believe it will be extremely important for the way FO people and media heads rank his work ethic and overall craftsmanship. After all, he’s been away from the game for a little while, so if he is extremely in shape he’ll be regarded as a nice young man, if he shows up really rusty then the character issues will begin to appear.
Kindle would be fabulous!
JPP is a one-year wonder. Watched a vid and I’m not impressed.
Morgan is a monster, but I still think he’s a 4-3 end, hand on the ground type. Won’t transition to dropping into coverage.
Brandon Graham is feeding hugely off the Senior Bowl. Before that, he was largely a second or third round prospect. He’s good, but not a top 15 pick.
Ricky Sapp is just a flasher…
Sergio Kindle is a favorite. http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/1/6/1237704/sergio-kindle-nfl-draft-scouting
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Someone explain to me something because I am confused
I have been noticing a few people commenting on how they would love a OLB for pass rushing purposes. And how great it would be to have an explosive edge rusher. Now my question is, wasnt that the reason we got Cameron Wake? I thought the point was for him to russ the QB. Are we trying to get another OLB to compliment him? So we can have two LBs rushing the QB?
I think that is the thought ....
We can resign JT for this year and get someone in the later rounds that can learn behind him for a year and we can work into the game a little bit at a time…
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Good Point
I’m looking for us to find someone to be what we all expected Roth to be. An edge setting beast, but with more athleticism. Could be gotten in later rounds. Wake WILL be very active this year…
How do we fill the void at NT??
Any viable suggestions? Vince Wilfork is out of the picture for this year anyway…. We really can’t afford to mess around with a Tank Johnson, and besides the # 1 and #2 picks there is a huge drop off in talent…. I still think that asking them to put on 20 lbs is not too much and they will still be very athletic. I think we are much better off making an athletic NT bigger than we are trying to make a fat tub of lard into an athlete. A fat tub of lard can actually cut it in college, but when they get to the NFL they can not keep up with NFL linemen.
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions
The steelers havent
re-signed theirs
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 24, 2010 1:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I've heard that they are talking about
putting the franchise tag on Hampton if they can’t get a deal worked out with him before the deadline. So he may be out of the picture too.
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by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 24, 2010 1:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Cleveland?
I am not even familiar with their guy…. who??
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oh... ok ....
Well. … That is a possibility then…
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Do we have any source?
I have been looking and I don’t see anything conclusive that they are shopping Shaun Rogers… Of course you never hear anything until a deal is done … or you have a QB crying that an NFL is a business….
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
OOPS
or else you have a QB crying that an NFL team is a business… and their coach is not being nice to them …..
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 24, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
40 time
what does it matter what 40 time mcclain runs??? dont think too many players run 40 yds to make a tackle…if they do they messed up earlier…can the guy tackle? can he shed blockers? more important than a damn clock !!!
what i'll actually be more interested in is the 10 yard and 20 yard split.
The 10 yard split will give us an idea of how well McClain will pursue the ball carrier from sideline to sideline.
And like it or not, speed matters. If your ILBs are reasonably fast, you never think about it. But if they are slow, you notice it all the time.
See Crowder, Channing OR Ayodele, Akin for proof of that.
... and Zach Thomas, to me, was proof of the opposite...
… dude was all over the place…!
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im all for lbs
i agree with alpha tho..can the guy play football zach, offerdahl, even ray lewis, not the fastest but smart and have a nose for the ball…mcclain has all the intangibles, will be a stud
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