Non-draft talk! AFC East Secondary Rankings...
by Natalya on Feb 18, 2010 5:28 PM EST
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PrintNow here this....a fanpost that isn't about the draft or how we'll trade for 3 different superstars, sign the 2 best FA's, hit on all our draft picks, and win the SB in a blowout next year. (sounds fun though...)
Looks like ESPN is running a series ranking different groups. Among the ones that caught my attention though was this little number ranking AFC East Secondaries. Now bear in mind, these are not my rankings but those of ESPN (yes, yes I know, let the booing begin....).
1. New York Jets
A lot has been written about Darrelle Revis. Like many, I put him at the top of the cornerback list. He would have been my NFL Defensive Player of the Year for 2009. But he can cover only one receiver at a time.
I contend that New York’s biggest offseason need is a starting cornerback opposite Revis. Donald Strickland, Lito Sheppard and Dwight Lowery are all best suited for third cornerback duties. Lowery is my favorite of these three, but he has physical limitations.
Jets head coach Rex Ryan obviously expects a lot out of this position and an upgrade could make an excellent defense even better. Strong safety Jim Leonhard is a personal favorite of mine. The guy has some limitations of course, but he just makes plays -- especially as a coverage player. Free safety Kerry Rhodes took some criticism during the 2009 season, but I contend that he is a well above average all-around safety. Year 2 in this defense could really yield dividends for Rhodes. Backup free safety Eric Smith could leave via free agency, but he was a liability for most of the season.
Overall, the Jets get the edge as the best secondary in the division weighted heavily on what Revis brings to the table.
2. New England Patriots
While I give the Buffalo Bills’ set of safeties the nod as the division’s best pair, I’m high on the Patriots’ Brandon Meriweather. He’s the best safety overall in the AFC East. As good as he is at strong safety, Meriweather and the Patriots would benefit from an upgrade at free safety. Brandon McGowan is a force against the run, but is too often exposed in coverage. Fellow free safety James Sanders is too ordinary in both facets.
At cornerback, veterans Leigh Bodden and Shawn Springs caught way too much heat for New England’s pass defense issues. Remember, this is a defense that lacks much of a pass rush. These two are still starting caliber, particularly Bodden (an unrestricted free agent).
The younger guys are the problem. Surely they will improve, but Darius Butler, Terrence Wheatley and Jonathan Wilhite collectively did little to get excited about in 2009. If Bodden is retained, the Pats squeak ahead of the Bills as the second-best secondary in the division. Without Bodden, Buffalo has a distinct advantage.
3. Buffalo Bills
When evaluating the safeties in this division, I think you have to give that position to the Bills. In 2009, safety Jairus Byrd obviously made a ton of impact plays as a rookie and was an extremely pleasant surprise. His ability to play the ball and his coverage abilities overall are very strong, but when it comes to playing the run, let’s just say that isn’t his specialty. I am a big fan of safety Donte Whitner, too. Last season wasn’t his best campaign, but he is very talented and versatile. Fellow safeties George Wilson and Bryan Scott are not household names, but both are very solid players who deserve playing time, though Scott might leave via free agency. I still have hope for Leodis McKelvin to develop into an upper-tier cornerback. Overall, the threesome of McKelvin, Drayton Florence and Terrence McGee was underwhelming in 2009.
4. Miami Dolphins
Vontae Davis and Sean Smith get a lot of ink as the Dolphins’ starting rookie cornerbacks. Smith began the season strong, but his unusual body type and struggles flipping his hips always might hold him back. To me, he finished the season as a somewhat overrated player.
But Davis could be on the verge of stardom. Like Smith, he made some rookie mistakes, but this kid has it all physically. He will be a true No. 1 cover man -- maybe as soon as next season. Third cornerback Will Allen is serviceable, but not dynamic.
Gibril Wilson and Yeremiah Bell are both average starting caliber strong safeties. But the problem in Miami is that neither has the skill set for deep patrol. The lack of a true free safety-type hurt this pass defense and is a clear offseason need.
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Alright, alright, the best thing to do with venom is to spit it out. Now that that's out of the way, how would you all rank AFC East secondaries. Try to be semi-objective (or at least try to disguise the blatant homerism!).
Unfortunately I'd have to agree with their assessment that the jets have the #1 ranking in this category for our division. Positions 2-4 though seem quite debatable.
To not totally ignore the draft/FA angle, aside from the rankings, how and/or what do you think the fins have to do to move up the charts in this category?
Have at it.
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jarius byrd IS the bills secondary
same goes for revis with the jets secondary
and meriweather for the pats secondary
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wow, bell? really?
I saw him as another run stuffer who struggled in coverage. We sure seem to have a lot of guys who fit that description.
As for the jets secondary, I’d take Kerry Rhodes over Bell or Wilson.
Bodden was pretty decent in NE last year. Granted they had virtually no pass rush whatsoever though.
No he was pretty good actually
Wilson made him look bad. He did make th (not so) pro bowl after all ,so he aint too bad.
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He was better in '08 I thought...
seemed right on the verge of becoming a real star. He had a bunch of ‘almost’ plays, including an almost interception (he dropped it) against Houston I remember late in that game.
This year he just seemed to go back a bit and become yet another run stuffer, coverage liability, no big play, type of guy.
... the "over rated" went to the pro bowl...
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I no right?
Bell is so underappreciated. This year he finally got the recogniton.
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yeap and so
did Vince Young & David Garrard….
C’mon now, we can argue about Bell but the pro bowl is just a popularity contest ;-)
lol of course it is
But who the hell would vote for Yeremiah Bell in a popularity contest?
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 18, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
True, but as SS goes, I think he earned it.
the problem is like the article says, we had two SS and no FS.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
... and they count highly as Hall of Fame criteria/consideration...
… it may be popularity, but you gotta do to the job better than most also…
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i think i pretty much agree with the assessment
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 18, 2010 7:47 PM EST reply actions
now, ya know, i looked for that to be coming as i read it
and i didn’t actually see that part in print anywhere. =)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
omg!
Is the AFC East getting an expansion team?
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OMG Thats funny as hell.
And Nickys new nickname is “The Minor Situation” seeing as hes so short and so wants to be a part of that cast.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 18, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
lmao that's some funny stuff!!!
THE TYLER THIGPEN BAND-WAGON
I'M DRIVING IT WHO'S BRAVE ENOUGH TO JUMP ON?!?!?!?!
With the #12 pick in the 2010 Draft the Miami Dolphins pick ...... CJ SPILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pilot of the CJ SPILLER cobra helicopter
OOOOOOOOO C-A-N-E-S AHHHHH(crowd yelling at kickoff!!!)
That it is!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 18, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
is there gonna be a ckc tonight?
THE TYLER THIGPEN BAND-WAGON
I'M DRIVING IT WHO'S BRAVE ENOUGH TO JUMP ON?!?!?!?!
With the #12 pick in the 2010 Draft the Miami Dolphins pick ...... CJ SPILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pilot of the CJ SPILLER cobra helicopter
OOOOOOOOO C-A-N-E-S AHHHHH(crowd yelling at kickoff!!!)
I hope so.
I hope its better than the one they had last night. I dont think they hit 200 comments.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 18, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
yea i seen that
THE TYLER THIGPEN BAND-WAGON
I'M DRIVING IT WHO'S BRAVE ENOUGH TO JUMP ON?!?!?!?!
With the #12 pick in the 2010 Draft the Miami Dolphins pick ...... CJ SPILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pilot of the CJ SPILLER cobra helicopter
OOOOOOOOO C-A-N-E-S AHHHHH(crowd yelling at kickoff!!!)
So sad.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 18, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha omg you didn't, Mau..
This adds SO many new layers to my question in the other post..
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 18, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
haha in all honesty I've never watched "Jersey Shore", however everyone around
here has mentioned it so much because of Nicky that….
Nickys favorite show ever!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
dumbest show i think i have EVER seen.
and the competition is fierce!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I have only seen clips on shows that make fun of that show.
I swear they will try and push anything on us these days as tv programming.
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
yep, mindless drivel. Which is why I have a 62 inch TV - for football - Phins and The U and F-1 racing
(good for porn too!)
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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by PhinsTifosi on Feb 19, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Its all about the U!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
What?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
GASP! Nat! Watch yer language young lady!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
... what's the F stand for...?
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Finlandia
I think its this school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandia_University
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
So it's actually FU....
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I guess so but that sounds kinda rude.
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps. Thats ok. We all have our thing. If hes got a large enough
room for it its all good. I use to have a 65 inch tv before I sold my house. It was GREAT for football and Xbox.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Currently one of three pilots for the new and improved SpillWagon fleet of Chinook’s.
by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
ROFL!!!
i have a 60 inch TV in my living room for football, and a 50 inch set up in my garage for xbox.
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
double compensating?
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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by PhinsTifosi on Feb 19, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
nope
compensating for more than one thing
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Your honesty is refreshing.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
LOL The older I get the more I realize how stupid it
is to blow money on certain expensive things that none of us really need. Big screen TV’s are not one of them.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
i just both the 50 inch Toshiba HD for 250 bux on craigslist, because my wife was getting annoyed with my xbox in the living room. ;-)
The 60 inch TV came with the house.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
should say "i just bought"
typo =)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well then you got a hell of a deal on both then.
But their is no shame in buying a new big-screen. They are actually getting fairly cheap if you know where to look.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
i just told ya i did
craigslist!
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Right!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
alright hooligans...
so what would you all do to improve the secondary this offseason?
does it need improving? (ha ha, i’ll just put that out there)
presumably yes, and if so, where does it sit in the list of priorities for us?
We may not get to it this off season
and if Clemons continues to improve and be a decent FS, we have two ery good corners with two solid safeties behind them. I’m not so sure our secondary should be our biggest concern. LB, WR corps, a NT, and a replacement back would be bigger needs,
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I don't even think secondary should be a concern NOW
Smith and Vontae will obviously be better in their second seasons. Vontae will be a star, I can say that much. Sean Smith won’t be the better of the two, but he will make plays and be a solid cover corner. At the very least, he won’t be a liability in coverage, and as long as you’ve got a star on the other side, that’s fine.
Every linebacker spot is a far greater weakness and need than our SS and FS situation. With better backers, some who can cover tight ends/drop back, our secondary would go from “poor” to very good, even with the same players we have now.
Then we can see if the Clemons experiment is going nowhere, and look for long-term safety replacements.
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 18, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see a FS upgrade...
and a 3 on Myrone Rolle would fit that bill nicely without breaking the bank.
Pass rush is a big concern definitely but you still have to have someone other than a rodent (Gerbil) at FS who can run with TE’s for at least a few seconds….
Of course, I agree about the FS upgrade
that’s a given. But I also want to see us improve our pass rush. By itself, that will make our secondary better.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, reality...
Like most things football, it’s a team game. The (cough) Jets get the edge because of their blitz three out of four downs front seven.
The (cough) Patriots were better in coverage because they had a non-existant pass rush. So they had to cover longer, and because so, they let some passes be caught.
The (cough) Bills were atrocious everywhere on defense. They may have individual talent, but couldn’t put it all together. Too many weak positions.
Sorry, but the Golden Dolphins aren’t as bad as you portray. “Team” injuries had an affect. Vontae is every bit as good as any corner. And I didn’t see any of the other safties make the Pro Bowl, even as a second teamer.
If Miami had their defense intact, they would be equal to the (cough) Jets. Certainly they deserve at least second spot, as (cough) NE and the Bills are weaker overall in secondary comparisons. You even mentioned words like “underwhelming” and “little to get excited about” in 2009 for both these teams, yet you put them ahead of the Golden Dolphins.
Nope. Not convinced of your rankings…
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Give us (even) a slightly better pass rush and a decent FS and things will gel much more better than jello!
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by Tunaflipper on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
My bad... I over shot the "these are ESPN rankings" sentence.
This explains my shock that you would have set it up like this. Now I see who is behind this. The ESPN worshipers of everything Jets (Rex, Sanchez and their defense).
You’re cool, and the idiots at ESPN are, well, idiots…
8-)
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I see the Phins secondary as being as bad as 4th in the division
Look, the Phins don’t have a playmaker, ballhawk at either safety position (a total of 3 int’s – all Bell). They gave up a ton of big plays and tackled poorly. The Phins had the worst CB (Davis) statistically in the division: http://www.thephinsider.com/2010/1/11/1244099/weekend-roundup-talking
All of those things points to the Phins not being very good in the secondary.
Smith has a bright future and, despite what everyone thinks, outplayed Davis last year. Davis, as I have said before, I just don’t know about. He wasn’t very good last year, despite the INT’s. Bell is a good run stopping SS. Wilson Sucks. And for everyone clamoring for Clemons, get real. He started a couple of games, was ineffective, so the Phins went back to Wilson. He was a 6th round pick for a reason. That reason, he isn’t very good.
The secondary needs work. Right now, the 4 best DB’s on the roster are Allen, Bell, Davis, and Smith. Those are the 4 guys who need to be on the field the majority of the time, regardless of position.
Ct....
so if I read you right, with you feeling Allen is one of the best 4 – you’d put him back at safety ahead of wilson?
Would you make any moves to address the DB issues we have?
I would move one of the listed CB's to FS
Whether it is Smith, Allen, or Davis (my personal choice). I don’t think Bell or Wilson are that effective in coverage. I also don’t think they possess the ball skills necessary to be quality pass defenders. If you believe that the league is becoming more pass oriented, which I do, I want my DB’s to have ball skills
Plus, what is the downside in doing this? Run defense may suffer, but so what. What team effectively ran the ball against the Phins last year? I can’t think of one off hand (maybe Houston but they did everything well against the Phins). But even poor passing teams killed them with the pass. Having 3 CB’s on the field at all times then makes sense. Who would you rather have patrol the middle of the field, Davis or Wilson? That is a no brainer to me, especially with Smith and Allen on the outside.
Now if you tell me that we can get a stud, ballhawking FS in FA or the draft, all of this changes my opinion. Then I am good with Smith & Davis as the starting CB’s, Allen at Nickel (even though I think that Allen should start over Davis), and Jones at Dime. That works for me. But if our current roster doesn’t change I think Allen, Bell, Davis, and Smith should be the starters because they are the 4 best DB’s on the team.
okay, that's weird.
i would thing Davis would be the last choice to put back there. Smith first, because he is actually more of a prototypical safety AND we have Allen back to cover the other CB spot.
Allen would be my second choice because he has the experience and smarts to make the move, AND because as he gets older (slower) it is more of a natural transition.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I like Davis there because he is a physical guy who can tackle
If the Phins are worried about run support, then he makes sense. Also, based on the beginning of the season, Allen and Smith were the teams best CB’s. That is why the coaching staff had them as starters game one.
Davis is the more physical player, can make plays on the football, and is the most ineffective CB of the 3. Those things point to FS to me.
okay, i can see that
but i think Davis has more potential at CB than Smith does. Smith is an anomaly. We like him because of his size… unusual at the position. But think don’t think he will end up actually playing the position better than Davis.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
think I'm with the Leftman on this one...
If there was a reshuffling in the secondary, then I’d expect Smith to slide in for the Gerbil and Allen to be at CB. Not that I expect anything of that nature is going to happen.
I’d be happy with a 3rd round pick spent on a FS upgrade – Morgan Burnett, Myrone Rolle and others of that caliber. They are not quite at the same level as Berry, but probably just as good as Taylor Mays not to mention, infintely better than the Gerbil…
agree about the 3rd round upgrade
and I am still holding out hope that Clemons is good enough to justify him holding out at the beginning of camp last year. Maybe he is that diamond in the rough that just needs a bit more polishing to shine?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
ya the dolphins were given noda last year, yet we won our devision with ease.
this year we had some injuries to key players & are insurence policy it seam’s wasen’t keep up to date. let us get healthy again & prove last year was no aberation!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Feb 18, 2010 10:07 PM EST reply actions
Question...
At cornerback, veterans Leigh Bodden and Shawn Springs caught way too much heat for New England’s pass defense issues. Remember, this is a defense that lacks much of a pass rush.
Wouldn’t that also mean that the Jests, because of their great pass rush had it a bit easier in their secondary covering opposing wide receivers? It’s a lot easier to cover for 2 or 3 seconds than 5. If you watch a lot of Revis’ film it shows him getting his head around very quickly. That’s because he knows Joba the Ryan is sending 5 or 6 guys at the QB and he’ll have to get rid of it quick. With all that being said I believe ranks 2,3, and 4 are interchangeable.
Here's a link that some of you might find interesting...
Click here for Pro Football Focus rankings. It shows that out of CBs who play 60% of their team’s defensive snaps, Sean Smith and Vontae Davis have allowed the 2nd and 6th worst QB passer ratings against. Both of your CBs seemed to be extremely home-run oriented. Either they made the play, or they got burnt. That’s why your secondary is ranked last in the AFC by Tim Graham.
My ranking:
1. Jets
2. Bills
3. Patriots
4. Dolphins
Let me take a SWAG.....pats fin? ;-)
Davis was more of a gambler than Smith and I think it shows in that he got more INT’s but also gave up more long TD passes. Smith had no INT’s last year.
Regarding the rankings, yes the pair allowed very high QB ratings. Yet their overall ratings which include pass/run/tackling/etc, per the chart, were 21st and 24th among all CB’s who played 60% of their teams snaps. Ahead of notables like DeAngelo Hall, Jammer, Cromartie, Finnegan, and Dunta Robinson.
yes, The Hill is a Brady fan
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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by PhinsTifosi on Feb 19, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
and EVERYONE forgets that Smith & Davis were ROOKIES last year!
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by PhinsTifosi on Feb 19, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
sounds like a TV show
Alias: Smith and Davis
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
they will be a tv show for years - always on ESPN sunday nights!
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by PhinsTifosi on Feb 19, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
... but only after the (cough) Jets highlights...
… and there are a couple who worship Tom “give me the flag” Brady too…
Idiots at ESPN!
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Yeah, but when people typically rank positions...
…they unfairly just look at the obvious stats- opposing teams production. Teams were most productive in the air against the Dolphins when facing the AFC East. No, that doesn’t factor in that both Smith and Davis were rookies with promising futures. No, that doesn’t factor in how much the other players on defense had an effect (there’s no way the Patriots have a better secondary than the Bills. Our front 7 were just leaps ahead of the Bills’). No, that doesn’t factor into anything else.
Just looking at opposing teams production against the secondaries, the Phins were the least in the East. Unfair? Possibly. But that’s what most sports writing is- writing about the obvious facts so the readers can look at the article and say, “Well, yes! I came to the same conclusion! I shall read this fine fellow more frequently.”
If you want to rank for future potential?
1. Jets
2. Dolphins
3. Bills
4. Patriots
That’s based on what is possible down the road from now. However, just looking at this past season, I wouldn’t vary too far from Graham’s analysis.
by Richard Hill on Feb 19, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Lets revisit ranking for future potential AFTER FA and draft.
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by PhinsTifosi on Feb 19, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's true.
I’m basing those off of this past season and where I see teams going from there with their current staff.
by Richard Hill on Feb 19, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
and that does how much good?
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by PhinsTifosi on Feb 19, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Just as much as good...
…as trying to predict a mock draft. I was just gauging the current players on the team. If the team is ranked low for the future, perhaps they should invest in secondary?
by Richard Hill on Feb 19, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
yep
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My rankings for NEXT YEAR!
1 (god damn the) Jets. they have a shutdown corner. 2. The MIAMI DOLPHINS! We have two very good corners and Bell will be there to helpthem out. If we can get a FS this offseason along with a SOLB to rush the passer. we will probrably be #1.Both the (god damn) jets and us will become even bigger rivals as we both improve. (i feel dirty for saying that) 3. The Pats 4. The Bills
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by PotM on Feb 19, 2010 6:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
8.2 YPA
The Dolphins gave up 8.2 YPA last season. Not all of that is the secondary’s fault since our linebackers couldn’t cover either. But only the Raiders has a worse YPA average than the Dolphins.
Rankings Smankings...
… and Drew Brees is to small to play quarterback…
… and Zach Thomas was too small to play ILB…
… and the Dolphins beat the (cough) Jets three in a row now…
… and with their perceived stinky secondary…
… and with their perceived best secondary…
… and the Jets suck! … and their quarterback has the worst qb rating for a season, and he sucks… and their coach is an ass, and he sucks…. and their quarterback leads in interceptions, and he eats hot dogs on the sideline, and poses for gay magazines… and he sucks again… and their LB Scott got run over… twice… cause he sucks…
Put that in your stats, sports analyst!
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So what your saying is if sucking was a stat the Jets would lead the league?
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
obviously!
and Teddy FREAKIN Ginn OWNS Revis
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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so Revis also sucks, cause that is what Jets DO!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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Driver of the draft Brandon Spikes or Rolando McClain at 12th pick bandwagon
Engineer of the Sign Dansby, Boldin, and JT Train!
I dont know. I think thats just one of those weird match up things in the NFL.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 19, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
…when both teams are running based, the secondary rankings tend to hold less weight, right?
I know you’re kind of joking, but still. They’re set for a couple years down the road.
by Richard Hill on Feb 19, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Very fresh food for thought post Talya!
I am going to stay away from the ranking, but a quality FS improves our group by a lot IMO.
I still have some concerns about Smith, they are all down the field though, I think he is on his way to being a very good CB, but like other CBs that aren’t on the fast side he has to be better than the other guys, he can’t make mistakes, because he can’t recover that lost ground, like Vontae.
One more year for the rooks should help a lot, I believe that at the end of next year Vontae will be in the Revis discussion, yes I think he’s that good, and I am concerned that Smiths weaknesses will rise due to Vontae’s prowess, when/if they stop throwing to Davis, Smith will get a lot of work.
A good FS can really solidify that side of the field, Smith with reliable deep help would be formidable.
If we get a better pass rush, then it’s a moot point, because Smith is very good at sticking with a guy short to mid, very good, better than Vontae maybe, but Vontae is better at mid and down field, IMO.
I’ve always been a Fan of Bell, proto-type NFL SS, overlooked in the Polamalu/Sanders era, but thems the brakes, lol, but it doesn’t change the fact that he is a very good SS, and 2 years ago he was injury prone, just sayin.
Put a good FS next to Bell and let him play his game without having to worry about baby sitting gerbil and watch him really shine.
What does W Allen have in the tank? I bet he’s not done, he might be done here though, if they see a deal they’ll take it IMO, if he stays, we are deep at CB and can throw a lot of looks.
Jones is a good nickle back, Culver and Clemons show promise, maybe one of them moves into the FS slot.
However we get him, through FA, trade, the draft or he rises from within, a good FS puts our squad right where we want, top ten, IMO.
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Bills should be first
Let’s face it, they are the only ones who weren’t repeatedly decimated up there.
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