A quick look at free agent nose tackles
by Matty I on Feb 17, 2010 12:15 AM EST
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PrintWe're just a little over two weeks away from the start of free agency in the NFL. It'll be a very different offseason compared to what we're used to, though. With it looking all but certain for 2010 to be an "uncapped" season, the landscape of free agency changes. There will be fewer unrestricted free agents. Some teams will be under strict restrictions in terms of their ability to sign these UFA. And we could see an increase in trades with the increase in restricted free agents due to the rules in place in the current CBA for an uncapped season.
The nose tackle position, in particular, is always limited in quality players. It's a hard position to play and a hard position for NFL teams to fill. And with more and more teams switching to the 3-4 defense (the Bills are the latest, by the way), it's getting even tougher to find a legitimate starting nose tackle.
Below are some of the potential free agent nose tackles:
Jason Ferguson - Ferg is 35 years old and recovering from a torn quadriceps muscle. He's said that if he does continue with his playing career, he only wants to do so with the Dolphins. But it's unknown at this point if Ferguson will play football in 2010. Last we heard from him, he called it a "toss up" that he'd return, saying that he "doesn't want to hold them up" - meaning the Dolphins and their plans for the NT position this offseason. Hopefully he returns for one more year, but we'll see.
Vince Wilfork - Wilfork is the biggest name on the free agency market at his position - as of now. But the Patriots would be crazy to let one of the top defensive linemen leave New England. Wilfork, though, has been very vocal about wanting a long-term deal and not the franchise tag. But Adam Schefter is reporting that there's a "standoff" between the Pats and Wilfork brewing as the sides try to work towards a new contract. The Pats could decide to slap the franchise tag on Vince regardless of how much Vince doesn't want to accept it, giving the two sides until the summer to reach a long-term agreement. If the Pats gamble and decide not to use the tag, Wilfork has alrady publicly said he's love to play in Florida. The former University of Miami star would be a welcomed site in Miami. But the Pats would never let that happen, would they?
Aubrayo Franklin - The standout 49er nose tackle is quietly among the best in the game. He's only 29 and is an unrestricted free agent. But it's expected the Niners will use the franchise tag on their big man in the coming days while they try to work out a long term agreement.
Casey Hampton - The big Steelers nose tackle will be 33 by the time next season kicks off but is still an elite nose tackle. He has been a mainstay in Pittsburgh for years now as the anchor of their 3-4 defense. The Steelers would be crazy to let him go and the two sides are expected to engage in extension talks. Hampton, like Wilfork, has publicly declared his dislike of the franchise tag. He said it would be "a slap in the face" if he is tagged. If no long term deal is reached by the franchise tag deadline, will Pittsburgh take a chance and use the tag on Hampton? I definitely think Miami needs to monitor this situation.
Ryan Pickett - The 6'2, 330 pound Packers nose tackle would be a wanted man in free agency. He anchored Green Bay's top ranked rushing defense last year. But he has also said he wants to remain in Green Bay and the Packers are said to be in talks with Pickett on a long-term deal. Hopefully it doesn't get done, though. Pickett would be an excellent fit in Miami. But I'm not holding out hope.
Barry Cofield - Cofield is an interesting option. He might need to bulk up a little to man the nose in a 3-4 (he currently measures in at 6'4, 306) and he is a restricted free agent. But I doubt the Giants will use a top tender offer on Cofield. New Dolphins LB coach Bill Sheridan was the defensive coordinator last season with the Giants. So he'll know firsthand about Cofield. Is he stout enough at the point of attack to handle the nose? Sheridan would be the guy to know. Just keep an eye on this situation just in case.
Those are probably the only guys out there would would be obvious upgrades to what the Dolphins currently have at nose tackle - basically just Paul Soliai. There are also some decent nose tackle prospects in the draft - guys like Tennessee's Dan Williams, North Carolina's Cam Thomas, Alabama's Terrence Cody, and Central Florida's Torrell Troup. And we'll have more on these guys as the draft nears and we see what - if anything - the Dolphins do to address the nose tackle position in free agency.
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who else would they use tag on if not for wilfork?
every team has only 1 tag per team per season huh?
by wild zion beaver on Feb 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, it seemed to me that Soliai did ok.
The best way for me to judge it is that when he was in the game we did ok in stopping the run. I really haven’t seen a big reason to replace him when there are so many other major holes on the team. Obviously we could use some depth and I think Ferg could hang for one more year and split time with Soliai. I’m not saying don’t bring in someone good I’m just saying Soliai isn’t so bad.
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When Ferg was in we were the best rushing defense in the league
Is that a reason to replace him?
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No, but age and injuries must be considered...
Fergy for one more year is about the limit. Maybe two years.
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thank god you said that i'm gona add. The 49er's will use there tag on Aubrayo, & the steeler's will slap there tag on Casy.
ryan is out, & Barry sounds like Soliai just with out the exsperance at the posistion??
by wild zion beaver on Feb 17, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
All the reason to get one this offseason
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Agreed, but
He’s far too inconsistent. We need somebody who can ether platoon with him, or just be plain better.
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 17, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
I believe this was Soliai's first extensive time with the first team defense...
… but even so, he was up and down. Soliai is good for depth and more grooming, but I agree, that the team needs to have another Nose Tackle, just-in-case.
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Ryan Pickett...
or Fergy and the draft to fill the need.
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nose tackle
i know nose tackle is a big hole to fill in the 3/4 but unless he’s going to cover backs, and tight ends, not our biggest need on defense.
its not but if we could pick up franklin or hampton i would be a happy man
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 17, 2010 1:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Most realistic scenario
seems to be signing either Hampton/J Ferg or drafting one of the four listed Cody/ Williams/ Troupe/Thomas in the second round. At least one should fall allowing us to draft either McClain or Dez Bryant. If we were to draft either Cody/Williams/ or Thomas, Id be comfortable with the pick considering the staff coached the first two and saw Thomas playing for the North roster in the Senior Bowl.
this is one of the most reasonable comments i have read in a while...........
……i agree………..
Just one mans opinion...
by MagicDolphin on Feb 17, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
could be pretty good value
to get cody in the 2nd/3rd, play solilai on 3rd downs..
but i’m all for wilfork any way possible!
What you are really saying ....
is that there is NOBODY available in FA unless a miracle happens or some sort of trade is made.
While I would love to get anyone you mentioned it isn’t likely, I actually think we will be in the same spot as last season with Ferg and Soliai. I think with Soliai mind and attitude getting better will lead the front office to be ok with our NT position. If I were to predict I could see a 4th-7th round pick being used on a NT a la Jay Ratliff.
Soliai's Weight Issues...
could be a barometer on the situation, pointing towards an attitude change in him and a regime change in thinking towards him. Big guy needs some love.
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You're making me think...
… and agree that a team will go for skill positions early and “bowling balls” (aka Nose Takles) later in the draft. And this may be forced anyways, if the more familiar names in the draft are all taken by the time Miami gets to select.
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I completely agree
The situation wasn’t good last season, it’s no better this season. We didn’t touch a NT in the draft last season.
If Fergy is willing to come back, I really don’t see us taking a NT any higher than, say 4th round.
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 17, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Franklin of the 49ers
was tagged last night.
I would love any one of these guys, but I’m not holding out hope on any of them.
I’d like to see Cam Thomas or Troup as a later option. Dan Williams will be good, but a NT is not an early first-round (read: 12th pick) player to me.
Now, if we traded down to the low 20s and picked up a pick in the process, I’d be satisfied with Williams.
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Another to watch for
Keep a lookout in the draft for Linval Joseph (6-6, 322) out of East Carolina. Didn’t go to a major program in NCAA but is built to be a run-stuffing, pass-blocking machine and did put up decent numbers in his junior year. With all of the NTs needed by teams (stinking Bills will probably grab Cam Thomas before our 2nd round pick) he could be due to fly off the boards quickly but he may just be there in the third round.
If we get real desperate (ie, miss oout on all the big names) we could look to drafting Cade Weston from Georgia in the 6th or, more likely, 7th round. I had expected him to be an undrafted free agent that made our practice squad if we got Cam Thomas, re-signed Ferguson, and let Soliai go.
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Isn't 6'6" too tall for an NFL NT?
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I tend to think so..
Some of the top guys at the position:
Jamal Williams: 6’3"
Shaun Rogers: 6’4"
Casey Hampton: 6’1"
Kris Jenkins: 6’4"
Vince Wilfork: 6’2"
It's more likely that Joseph's teammate Jay Ross (6-3) goes before him.
Which leaves 4-3 DTs that teams might try to convert to NTs, Linval Joseph, several NTs that have injury histories (some like DeMarcus Granger that should just set up a permanent residence in his local hospital’s surgical ward) and several guys that struggled to record more than 30 tackles in a season (Joseph had 60).
This really boils down to a best of whats left kind of selection that I hope won’t become a necessity (I think we go full bore after Dansby and commit one of our first two picks to NT).
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 17, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'd bet a pretty penny
that if we do get Dansby, then we won’t take an ILB in the first round. Heck we may not take one even if we skip on Dansby as ILB’s are usually not going up that high in the first round.
Agreed.
Even if there is talent at the 12th pick, good linebackers can be found later….. Zach Thomas, John Offerdhal to name a couple…
I hope that Miami switches first rounders and gives their next year’s first pick to move up and get Eric Berry.
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That'd be a dream come true...
but it won’t come true. I do like Robert Johnson out of Utah and a couple of other FSs though. There are some potential gems at that position. Depth for our NEED positions pretty much goes from really high (ILB) to really low (NT). Think of it like this ILB, WR, FS, TE, then NT. So logically you would be looking to draft in the reverse order, but the one flaw in the logic is that the four deepest positions are so stacked that you really can pick them in any order.
The real question will be who does the Trifecta value the highest at their position and who is likely to go sooner. We really need to trade down. I’d be willing to trade back 10 spots if we get that teams 3rd round pick or better just because of the draft depth.
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 17, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Robert Johnston?
Would be awesome, too. Didn’t he and Sean roam the secondary together? Chemistry and teamwork..
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they were part of that Utah Secondary
He had 6 picks last year. I would have killed for half of that out of Gerbil Wilson.
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 17, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
He would likely make a better DE than a NT,
but if he can get low enough in his base stance and extend forward so that he drives back opposing linemen then it won’t matter how tall he is. He is hardly my first choice (that would be Cam Thomas) and I actually think that Cade Weston can be a better player (would be a much better value) but that’s only if the earlier guys are off the board. After Williams, Thomas, Troup, and Cody there is a big dropoff in potential NFL NTs.
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 17, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Dave P is right
that’s one NT off the market already. Really – as I have said many times – I HATE PLAYING THE 3-4. One big problem is that its very hard to find a great NT, big enough to be a run stuffer, and durable to hold up with the pounding they take. We already have the players along the D-Line to play the 4-3 and WOULDNT NEED to draft a NT.
Starks, Langford, Merling, Taylor, STARTING – with big Paulie, and McDaniel (plus Dotson and Baker) this would also allow us to get MERLING back on the field, as right now is is NOT worth his #1 pick in ROUND 2 status. This teams strength is in the front 7, and if we get McClain to play the middle – crowder could move back over to a less important LB position, and we would ONLY need one more starting OLB to round out this unit….. but I can just KEEP dreaming, as it will never happen.
If WILFORK is not Franchised then the FINs MUST pay up for him if we want to be a contender anytime soon. Just too many holes in our current 3-4 PLUS the need for a #1 WR looms large still…. Just can’t get a starting NT, OLB, ILB, and WR (safety anyone) in this one draft without free agency help…
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I wouldnt mind drafting Cam Thomas in the second
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The franchise tag is going to be even more prevalent this year...
and I suspect most of the aforementioned guys will be tagged, making them unavailable. Yeah, players make a big deal out of it and complain but ultimately they are going to show up and play out the year.
That leads me to think we better acquire someone in the draft. Right now when I think of Ferg, his age & condition, I can’t help but be reminded of Traylor’s last year here. So in the interest of not having a key piece of your defense break down, I think we ought to get someone in the draft. Cody and/or Thomas should be available in round 2, so we could get either without breaking the bank. Sure, it is not the best draft for NT’s but then you can only draft from the players available!
Johnny Jolly?
Green Bay also has Johnny Jolly as a FA I believe. You think he could play the role of NT? I also like Pickett and don’t think he will be as expensive as Wilfork. Johnny Jolly is only 27 and 6’3 325 seems to be the right build for it. Just a thought.
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As much as id love to see Hampton here
and I think having him here would be an asset,his age concerns me,although it could lead to a release,i believe what the stelers decide to do with him impacts us in a big way.
If the steelers decide to let him go,thats another team looking for a nose,last year,ferg went down,our entire defense felt the sting.
If they do release him,we need to make a play Imo. We saw the impact ofnot having a quality nt has on a d. We cant let that happen again,and having both,wont affect latter cap situation. Imo,the entire nt depth chart needs revamping
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 17, 2010 12:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
my opinion, this is need #1....
But, I trust the Trifecta to fill our holes accordingly.
by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 17, 2010 12:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"But, I trust the Trifecta to fill our holes accordingly."
That’s what she said.
Hopefully Ferguson returns for one more year and we draft a Cam Thomas or Terrence Cody (If he slips that far) in the 3rd.
That is best case senario. J-Ferg would be the perfect mentor for a young NT in similar fashion to how CP10 was for Chad Henne at QB.
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by JP 23 on Feb 17, 2010 12:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Need #1 WR
Sign Ferg one more year and sign a #1 WR. Top 10 rush defense
I won't get into the WR angle...
but the reason Matty brought this up is that Ferg is not commited to playing next year.
So even if the Fins wanted to sign him and thought he was the answer, he may not be available.
Which leads us to the inevitable………….ok, plan B time?
If so, I believe Torrell Troup may get a very close look...
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Unless Cody shows up under 340 at the Combine
I’d take Troup over Cody.
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 17, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think the point in all this is that we better...
get someone, because otherwise we are banking on our current backups & maybe a 50-50 chance of a long in the tooth Ferg, coming back.
Hope that WR
Helps take care of the TEs and WRs that are shredding our defense when we shut down the other team’s run game.
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 17, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
plan b=
sign hampton to a 2-3 year deal,keep solai,draft a nose to groom in round 3-4
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 17, 2010 1:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
plan b
NO team can keep 3 NT on the roster. If you sign hampton to 2-3 years and keep solai why would you spend a draft pick on a NT this year esp one that high? And dont say groom for future that is what the solai pick was in the 4th round before. So you want to be in the same situation in 2-3 years?
I say get Wilfork if possible. If not I read a great article about Senior Bowl. It was liked from a fanshot here
Talked a LOT about Mt Range Cody and Dan Williams. Williams has a MUCH stronger lower body and legs than Cody, which meant he was able to drive forward better and he was able to move laterally better than Cody. I was very impressed with Williams based on the in-depth review there.
Personally I would love if we got Wilfork, Anquan and Dansby. But realistically our best shots are Q and Dansby, and I think a pretty good shot at both.
Then we draft Dan Williams in Rd 2 even if Fergie plays this year. Even better if Fergie does play because that gives Williams time to get comfortable and be mentored by Fergie. (I have read that Eric Berry is projected in the first 5 picks, so I doubt we can get him.) LB in Rd 1 and 3. Safety in 4 and TE in 5
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Williams will not be there round 2. Best chance is to trade down and draft him or draft Cam Thomas round 2. I am not a fan of Cody at all. I would personnally rather us trade down and draft Earl Thomas in round one and then Cam Thomas round 2. I think FS is a huge need if we get Karlos Dansby. Having a true FS and not a converted one would be amazing.
Not the answer......
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 17, 2010 5:31 PM EST reply actions
It is funny,.....
dude is big, but not HUGE. We need us a super-beast, not some happy Somian…….
by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 17, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
It's the dude from POD with my kid's 7th grade History teacher.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
I teach history all-right,........in the school of hard knocks.
I suggest you transfer your child ASAP !!!!!!!
by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 17, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Scary stuff man
I forgot to mention that my kid is 26 and still in the 7th grade. He ain’t scared. Don’t Judge him…we live in the south.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Tell me he's not the one with the point on his head and missing 6 teeth or so....
by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 17, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
O shit... LOL
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I think that our direction in FA/Draft when talking about NT all comes down to how the FO feels about Soliai. If they feel he can improve from last year then we may draft a NT. If they feel that he just is not going to get any better then they go FA if their is one out there. The thing is that it takes time to develop into a star NT. There most likely is not a NT in this draft that is going to go out and start day 1. There are some guys that could start as a DT in the 4-3 day one. This goes back to a previous post about talent breeds talent. We have to bring someone in to develop and mentor a draft pick, so they can take over in 2 or so years. Last option could be go both FA and Draft and get rid of Soliai. I think it would be in that order also. So the FO does not tip their hand about still wanting to draft one. Just my opinion.
by Ralph In Michigan on Feb 17, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Most of the FAs are old...I want a yourg roid freak!!!!!!!!!!!!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
... is this a personal request?
I will not judge…
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no, I have given up on those dreams
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by phatfinfan on Feb 18, 2010 5:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wilfork
Earlier this week on Sirius Sattelite’s NFL Network, Adam Schein mentioned that the Pats might franchise CB Leigh Bodden. Also don’t forget that they drafted Ron Brace in the 2nd Round last year. Finally, they will most likely sign Julius Peppers plus they want to restructure Tom Brady’s contract. Therefore, do not be surprised if Wilfork is available. He would give us at 5 years at NT.
Someone not on the list
Ian Scott (San Diego) will be a FA. He started about half of the season due to injuries to the players above him on the depth chart. He is only 28, has the same HT/WT has Ferguson. I have not seen any tape on him yet. Has anyone ever seen this guy play?
by Ralph In Michigan on Feb 19, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions
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