Weekend Roundup: Talking Joey Porter, Will Allen, & Ronnie Brown
For the first real weekend of the NFL offseason, there was a lot going on this weekend regarding the Dolphins and various rumors and reports. So let's touch on some of them.
Final thoughts on the Porter fiasco...for now
On Friday we learned that the Dolphins had released disgruntled OLB Joey Porter - only to later learn that Porter's release was invalid and that Porter would revert back to the Dolphins. The issue, as we found out, had to do with the accelerated cap hit that the Dolphins would have taken by releasing Porter under the current CBA. The Dolphins would have had to take a $4.8 million cap hit that was the amount of prorated signing bonus that was left on Porter's current deal. The problem was that the Dolphins didn't have that much cap space. Of course, with no new CBA met, the 2010 season is uncapped. But that doesn't happen until March 5 - the beginning of the new "league year." That's when the Dolphins will be able to officially dump Porter.
Of course, the Dolphins could create the needed cap space by releasing other players and then could release Joey. They also could hold onto Porter and attempt to trade him. We learned from this mess that Joey's $1 million roster bonus isn't actually due until the 5th day of the new "league year" - meaning March 10. But the trading and free agency period begins March 5. However, now that the entire NFL knows the Dolphins plan to release Joey, why would a team even think of offering a late round pick for the aging linebacker?
What bothers me, though, about this whole mess is how the Dolphins come off looking. There's no doubt that team officials around the league were laughing at Miami's gaffe on Friday. And the team's new "capologist" - Dawn Aponte - better get her crap together. I don't think the trifecta will stand for another mistake like that again.
Regardless of how this ends, though, Porter won't be in a Dolphins' uniform in 2010. Owner Stephen Ross publicly stated how unhappy he was with Porter this past weekend, saying it "was uncalled for." Ross added his own "slap" of Porter:
"I think he was worried about getting dropped and wanted to think it was him (provoking a move) as opposed to the team."
Allow me to translate the owner's words: Porter knew the Dolphins were going to dump him so he made some noise to make it seem like he was dumping them, as opposed to the reality, which was that the Dolphins were going to release Joey regardless of the public hissy-fits he threw.
Get ready for a real cornerback competition
Heading into the 2009 season, Will Allen was the only cornerback we knew would be starting on opening day. Rookies Vontae Davis and Sean Smith were expected to battle with some veterans to start on the other side. Smith won that battle and started all 16 regular season games. Allen went down with a torn ACL in week 7, though, and Davis replaced Allen as the starter and played well - despite some struggles along the way.
Well now Will Allen, who is recovering well, has made a bold statement:
"I'm starting. You can put that wherever you want. I've started every year. I don't expect that to change now."
I love his attitude and confidence and I don't blame him at all for wanting to start. After all, he was the team's best corner before tearing his ACL last year. He had a 55.6% success rate in 2009 (7th in the NFL among qualifying corners) and a 51.3% success rate in 2008 (18th in NFL). Clearly, if he's healthy, he's a very good - if under-appreciated - cornerback.
But at this stage, wouldn't it be best to let the two young corners start in 2010? Probably. And I expect that to be the case, assuming neither Smith or Davis struggle at all in camp and/or the preseason. This makes me wonder, though. Would Allen be a problem if he doesn't win a starting job in '10? I wouldn't think so - as he's been a true professional since he's been here and has been a real mentor for the young corners.
But then again - being reduced to the nickel corner after being an NFL starter since his rookie year in 2001 can change a player's personality in a hurry. Hopefully this is a non-issue next year. But you never know...
Ronnie is ahead of schedule
For the second time in three offseasons, Ronnie Brown is rehabbing a serious season-ending injury. In 2008, Brown came back strong after tearing his ACL. And yet again, it seems as though Brown is recovering well and "ahead of schedule" as he rehabs from his Lisfranc fracture. Though he might not be ready for the start of OTAs, Ronnie's goal remains to be ready for camp:
"I know I want to be in training camp. I think that's a goal that's very, very attainable."
The injury itself is a serious one - but one that you can definitely bounce back string from. That's what Ronnie has found out after talking to some players (Warrick Dunn, Justin Tuck, Will Allen, for example) who have gone through the same injury and same rehab process:
"There's a big list of guys that have had it. They say once you heal up, everything is fine. You don't want to push it too hard, but at the same time you want to push it enough to make sure you're doing everything that will make it heal up."
I'm interested in seeing how the Dolphins handle the running back situation this offseason. Ricky Williams is aging and, as of now, is committed to only one more season. Patrick Cobbs is recovering from a torn ACL. And Lex Hilliard is nothing more than a complementary running back. So will the Dolphins look to address the position in the draft? We know there's a rather large C.J. Spiller bandwagon that's rolling along full steam ahead and gathering Dolphin fans as we speak.
Regardless of how this plays out, Ronnie said he hopes to remain a Dolphin for a long time:
"If it was up to me, ultimately I want to be here. think I've established a foundation here and I'd love to be here for the rest of my career. Unfortunately, sometimes there are decisions that have to be made."
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I'm glad somebody will admit Lex is nothing more than a complementary back
But as I’ve mentioned before, CJ and Lex would be perfect. The true thunder and lightening, what Chris Johnson and LenDale White were SUPPOSED to be.
I still, unfortunately, don’t see it happening.
I just want FA to begin.
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by Deuce Black on Feb 15, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
P.S.,
When are the results revealed for all voting, Matty?
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All CB's should compete in camp
The results should determine the starters.
training camp doesn't always tell it all
I believe there should be open competition in camp for most if not all positions but because you practice against your own team and play the preseason games often competing against guys who won’t win starting rolls themselves training camp can be deceiving when judging talent especially in the secondary where the accuracy of the QB and talent of the receivers can really make you look good if it’s not top notch
Allen at FS
The dolphins should consider moving Will Allen to FS I think he could handle the workload and with hiim Davis and Smith LL on the field at the same time the secondary becomes that much better. Allen is getting older and the move to FS could add a year or two to his career
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H e is NOT a hard hitter bro!
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a FS isn’t suppose to be hard hitter just a person that has a nose for the football knows where everyone is suppose to be lined up and who and what side needs help. Your strong safety is the person that is suppose to be a strong hitter.
Free Safety
If you want to move anyone to FS, surely Vontae would be a better fit than Will Allen. He’s aggressive, hits hard, would probably find it easier to learn a new position, and, in addition, was less reliable as a CB than Allen. I would prefer to see a real FS brought in by the Trifecta, but if not, Vontae would be my bet.
He doesn't necessarily have to be a hard hitter
But he does have to be a better than average tackler. Someone who can come on the occassional FS blitz, and also help out in run support if needed.
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Why do people want to try
and move all of our corners to safety? I’ve seen people say we should convert Smith to safety, I’ve seen people say we should make Davis switch to safety, and now Will Allen. How about we don’t make someone who is good at one position, have to go and learn a completely new position? Instead, why don’t we go out and get a player who is actually a FS to play the FS position?? There are plenty of people available in the draft, free agency, and trades. They may not be the greatest FS’s ever, but they will be just as good or better than a guy who is just learning the ins and outs of the position, and at the same time, not take away from depth at the CB position.
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Well said
although I think Matty sould make the switch to FS.
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by Patssuck456 on Feb 15, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Because
If you move most players in Madden from CB to FS they go up in overall this is cleary the reason the Dolphins should try this out.
I do think Will Allen may be able to work out there if no noe else is capable.
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by k2oconnor on Feb 15, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well if it works in Madden...
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by Patssuck456 on Feb 15, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
LMFAO
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
lol well in that case
I traded Ronnie for a 1st rounder in Madden…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well if you can do anything you want in Madded get more than that for him!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
*Madden
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
lol here was my blockbuster deal
traded Ronnie, Grove, and Smiley for a 1st 2nd and 4th..
then traded my 1st, and the new 1st and 2nd to get all the way to number 1 overall… and drafted a WR lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my!
This just in. You have been fired as the fake GM of the Dolphins. Tough break buddy!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
nah team is STACKED
this was year 3, Ronnie was 30, Grove was like 34, Smiley 31… got an Andre Johnson-type WR, the only thing I needed.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Chad Pennington
to the Panthers and you get a first out right. You can also trade J Porter to the Cheifs with Camarillo for another first!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus Christ
Are you f*cking kidding me bro? I don’t comment too often but I couldn’t let this one slip. Because it works in madden that’s clearly the reason they should try it? So because killing hookers and stealing cars works in GTA I should do it too? Unbelievable.
by mhooligan on Feb 16, 2010 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Calm down dude, he was being sarcastic.
He was responding to my comment of why all these people wanted to move our CBs to safety. He was making a sarcastic joke that because when you do that in Madden the players overall rating goes up a couple of points, these guys must think that’s how it works in real life.
He wasn’t being serious.
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LOL That was funny. The first time I ever see a guy and hes totally flipping out!
My question to him is why is one persons opinion, no matter how stupid you find it, so important that you would flip out and go off on someone like that?
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I am for getting our best players on the field
And right now our best DB’s in no particular order are: Allen, Bell, Davis, and Smith. Can anyone argue with that statement? CB’s can make the move to FS and SS, especially if they are physical. Anyone remember Ronnie Lott? How about Rod Woodson? Two really good CB’s who moved to Safety. That is why I think it makes sense for Davis to take that position. He is a sure tackler and he has coverage skills.
In today’s pass happy league, does it matter what you label a DB, whether it is a CB or a FS? I want guys who can tackle and cover. Davis can do that, whether it is at CB or FS.
Those guys moved to safety when their careers as CBs were pretty much over,
so I don’t think its the same thing, but I do understand your point.
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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Thats why allen if any of the cbs should move to safety
Allen is the oldest of the corners and a ball hawk the move could extend his career by a year or two Davis and smith are young and will improve with time true he is not the big hitter that Lott was but having him in the middle of the field would make it much harder to throw the ball in the middle and in double coverage they would have him and smith or davis on any wr
Sorry Buddy
Troy Vincent moved to safety when is CB career was over, but Ronnie Lott played 9 years at safety, his career was far from over and yes Woodson moved there late in his career but made the pro bowl 4 out of 5 times.
Lott is the only player in history to go to the pro bowl at all 4 DB positions.
I think the best rebudle here is Will Allen is not Lott or Woodson.
But Will Allen, may make a good FS, his tackling is something to be considered when make the move.
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Lott had lost a step,
that is why he moved to safety, i never said their careers were over, just their careers as CBs.
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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he lost a step.
I think they just thought he would be more productive as a FS then CB. They already had an all-pro on the other side, and probably wanted a better CF. They might have moved him back to CB, but Tim McKyer was drafted in 86 and put the kebosh to that.
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by MagicDolphin on Feb 15, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Luv the Ross comment!
i know , Huseinga would never make a comment like that, but Ross stepping in and saying how pussi jp is was AWESOME!
RBrown is great, but we will loss 2 RB’s next year, so we might look for one this year in the late rounds. I we get our OL into elite, any RB will be great for us.
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by Deuce Black on Feb 15, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Dude where have you been?
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
Zac Effron musical..??
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well hurry back sir!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Vontae would
benifit from playing for a while as a nickel cb. The kid is crazy physical but needs to understand the nuances of the position a bit more. Technique baby.
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by Patssuck456 on Feb 15, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
LOL Hows that working out so far?
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
not well I'd say lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Right!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
... hired for her looks...
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
... or to cover diversity hiring...
… where’s Fr8? lmao
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I know... he's cool!
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why do need a new capologist when we are staring at an uncapped year?
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by Patssuck456 on Feb 15, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I still think its something to keep an eye on. There will be a cap in 2011 and beyond.
In fact if the owners get their way then the percentage of revenue given to the players will be lowered thus lowering the cap number. I can see a case for actually trying to lower the total salary numbers across the league with this on the horizon. As I see it there is a greater chance that this will happen then not when the owners hold all the cards at this point.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
anyone think of the joey porter situation
that maybe the FO wanted everyone to know they don’t care if they release him or trade him. So you better trade for him to make sure you get him instead of losing him to another team?
not happening...
The entire league knows that we are going to release him. What team would give us anything now that they know they can get him for free anyway?
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A team that doesn’t want to get in a bidding war may just decide to part with a late-round pick to guarantee they get him. While I’m not sure if he’s that hot of a commodity, to the point where a team doesn’t want to let him get away, but the possibility still remains that a team will throw a pick at us to avoid having to battle anyone else for him.. Especially a team that he may not want to go to in FA.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hell if I were the FO I would work this angle. A 6th or a 7th are better than squat.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
I wonder if they just want to get rid of him and not even worry about it. Seems a bit hasty, because now it’s like letting the personal feelings get in the way of a business decision. Although I can see the logic in getting him out of the locker room ASAP and sending a message to the team that whatever he did will not be tolerated and will get you “fired” so to speak.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know.
If there is something that troubles me about this FO its the fact that if they are done with a player they just dump him. I obviously dont know whats going on behind closed doors but it seems as if they do not even attempt to get anything for these guys before just putting them on the street.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Here's what I think
Parcells is one of the best at squeezing out something for nothing in trades, he always seems to get the best of a deal… So I feel like he put feelers out there, placed calls, tried to find trade partners for Roth/Porter, and got nothing concrete or nothing worth it (Maybe getting at least a 7th for Roth makes sense to us, but it probably makes him look like he can be had in trades if it’s that lopsided, who knows?). So instead of making a crappy deal and looking like an idiot, he cuts the guy and calls it “sending a message..”
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you are correct!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Nicky...
they did some window shopping for posterity and as a last ditch effort. Nobody was even bidding/asking and so it came to this.
Porter’s antics just seemed to anticipate the inevitable.
If a team trades for Porter they get his salary.
A released Porter gets to negotiate a new salary. Depending on what Porter is making for ’10, a team might figure that they can get him cheaper by trying to sign him after he is released.
It's hard to take Ross to seriously
when he has all that egg on his face and he wants to blame people for spin doctoring?? Hello pot, kettle here……………
A lot of chirping going on in the early off season, Henne “wants” a “big WR who can run, someone like Braylon Edwards”,
and now Will Allen with “I’m gonna start”, not to mention JT and Crowder, not even gonna mention Joey and Roth since they are not on the team anymore, or soon will be gone, lol.
Last year no one said anything, last year if you asked someone before the draft what they wanted they would have said, “whatever they decide, I’m sure they know best”, or “I’ll start if that will help the team, whatever helps the team”, whether they meant it or not, just sayin.
Ronnie should play here until he retires, ![]()
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it makes NO sense though
matt roth played great down the stretch for the Browns, he has 4 sacks in the last 6 games and helped Cleveland accomplish a four game winning streak to close out the season.
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I don't get what you mean?
what doesn’t make sense.
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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure what civwarbuff meant either...
maybe they can expand on their comments.
Anyway, what I want to talk about is the angle you are aiming for.
If I read you right, then methinks you have a feeling that all’s ‘not well’ in this ship. Meaning the wheel isn’t in the hands of the crew but just maybe they are having some doubts about the ole capt’n?
I kind of dismissed the Will Allen quotes as good-natured competitiveness. Unlike Porter, Allen has been a pretty consummate pro and generally team guy in his career. Would it be different now if he had to ride the pine behind Smith or Davis? I’d like to think he knows it is a business and part of being an athlete in a hyper-competitive league.
Ronnie Brown….if they can get good trade value for him, I say make the move. Realistically though, I can’t imagine anything higher than a 4th round pick for Ronnie given today’s market, the relatively low standing of the RB position vs other skilled positions, plus his injury history & age. And I wouldn’t trade him for a 4th round pick, that’s for sure…
The chirping stuff is just food for thought,
not sure if it’s anything, just noting it because I think it does bear watching.
And Ronnie, your absolutely right, we could never get the value for him so he is more valuable to the team, not to mention he has stamped a mark on this team like no one since JT.
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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
First time poster!
What up guys! I’ve been following this site since the ‘09 training camp, effing love it. God bless the Phinsider and you too Matty! Let’s see… I live in Indy, born and raised in IN, although I spent ‘05-’07 in Tampa/St. Pete (I hate the cold, lol). I’m a LIFELONG Dolphins fan (i’ll be 32 in May), I used to go to the “Hoosier Dome” and watch Dan the Man rip the Colts a new one almost every year in the late 80’s and early 90’s :) I’m 6’4" 185 and if the Phins don’t get a #1 WR, I may try and add 15 lbs of muscle and try out. Except that i’m white and they’ll all say I could be the next Matt Jones, if only I can add some more blow to my system. Ok, let me try and add some quality content to this post…
http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2010/02/11/dolphins-with-their-eyes-on-cardinals-wr-anquan-boldin/
Hopefully that adds as a link! Fairly interesting story here and I love the idea of getting Boldin for a 3rd and throwing in our trash (Porter) if they want it. The article mentions the trade needing to involve the $1 million roster bonus but according what i’ve read here, if we do the trade between March 5-9, the $1 million shouldn’t come into play, right? So let me start a little choo-choo train here in Indy, on it’s way down to South Florida, carrying a banner that says, “Trade Porter and a 3rd rd pick for Boldin on March 5th!”
dont insult yourself with a Matt Jones comparison
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why does everyone hate on Hilliard?
Lex has shown flashes of greatness WHEN he has touched the ball. Give the guy a chance! I say trade Cobb’s and Ricky for a pick and go with Lex and Ronnie or make a move for Spiller. As for Will Allen sorry man but Vontae and Sean are on lock trade him as well. Think of Lex as a Jerome Bettis type of back and remember Jerome was a force to be reckoned with.
Would Will Allen be considered injury prone too?
He has suffered the same injuries as Ronnie Brown has at a comparatively less physical position. He is also younger.
by Choose your screen name: on Feb 15, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions
Will Allen is 3 years older than Ronnie
he’s also been in the league 4 more years. Will Allen has played 16 games in a season 4 times in his career, and last year was the first and only year he’s played less than 12 in a 9 year career. Sounds pretty durable to me. Ronnie on the other hand has only played 16 games once, and twice he’s played less than 10 games (2 out of the last 3 years).
We’re looking at Allen playing the full season about 45% of his career, and Ronnie only 20%.
Allen has played 12+ games in over 90% of his seasons. Ronnie? 60%
I don’t think you can call Will Allen injury prone the same way Ronnie is injury prone when he’s been very durable and the only time he hasn’t played 12+ games was last season, at age 31…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 15, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Allen
The Will Allen comment is…….good natured competitiveness as Natalya has stated above. The reality is….. everyone knows it takes a full season for a player to return to form after suffering ACL/PCL injuries. So realistically Allen can expect to compete to for a nickle or dime back position at best given the nature of his injury.
... so Cobbs will be nothing more than a back-up this year...
So a CJ Spiller draft looks better and better… WOOHOO!!!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Porter release non-issue
To paraphrase “The Jesus” form the Big Lebowski:
“I was gonna release you in February… now I release you in March”.
Nothing gained, nothing lost. Who cares.
hahahha
“thats right, don’t mess with the Jesus”
Then again, he’s a pedar@ss, lol
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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Coen bros=genuis
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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
or geniuses, lol
Coen bros=great movies
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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
True story!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Cant the FO just send Porter to Detriot for a bag of potato chips and a sixpack!
It might prevent someone from trying to force a release in the future .
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I read in the Sporting News Today this morning that a Dolphins “official” has said that the Dolphins #1 offseason priority is to sign restricted free agent Vincent Jackson. They said likely will take a 1st and 3rd, but maybe able to pull a deal off with the Chargers to get him. The fallback option is apparently unrestricted free agent Antonio Bryant, formerly of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
What do you guys thinks?
by Jonathan McCarter on Feb 15, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions
I dont think we give those 2 picks for him unless we add some other picks.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 15, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we can get him for that,
but I would do it in a heartbeat.
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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
They could pull a New England...
… and trade later year picks… heh heh heh
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To those wondering why the Phins aren’t working the angle of “trade with us and you won’t need to be in a bidding war for Joey” aren’t looking at the obvious: there’s no real market for Joey. He’s 33, isn’t what he once was (and even what he was is debatable as most thought he was overrated coming out of Pittsburgh a few years ago – that the system gave him his stats), and even in his uber productive year last year, he disappeared down the stretch and was a non-factor in some big games. Oh yeah, and he’s an ass in the locker room. I’m pretty sure there’s not going to be a ‘bidding war’ for this guy.
by Scallywag McGee on Feb 15, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions
we got a second for JT
Porter still has trade value. If you really want a pass rusher for a year or two to take you over the edge he might be your man.
HOW TO TRADE PORTER.
Ok first off no player is bigger than the organization. So its time to make an example of his ass. I say we trade porter and for example a 6th rounder to a shitty team for their lower 6th rounder. So yeah we lose a couple spots of the draft (the 6th rd) but least he isnt free and we trade him to a loser team. So porter and mia 6th round for lets say the rams and their 7th rounder. hahahahahaha
Trade Porter to Winnepeg CFL team for some Canadian flags to give out to Canuck snowbird fans at home games (or when we play Bills in Toronto)
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by MagicDolphin on Feb 15, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Lex Hilliard
That comment about Lex was uncalled for. Ronnie didn’t exactly look like the answer in his first year either. I can remember people saying the same things about him. Hilliard just needs a camp where he works with the first team for an extended time and he will be much more than you give him credit for.

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