Should the NFL change its overtime system?
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Let's take a break, if only for a moment, from the offseason rumors and wishlists to talk about an issue facing the entire National Football League.
Overtime.
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't like the current overtime system in the NFL. Sudden death overtime just doesn't seem fair to me - especially in the playoffs. Why? Well, the current system encourages teams to play for a field goal. Does that sound like real football? Other than in the final two minutes of a half, when do NFL teams play for a field goal?
It just isn't fair that a team could lose a game - and could even lose a championship - by losing the coin toss and then holding their opponent to a field goal. Am I the only one that sees this as a problem?
So what's the solution? It's not the college system, that's for sure. I like the idea of having both teams get a chance to touch the football. But starting from the 25 yard line? It's entertaining at the college level but is not at all practical for the NFL.
However, I think there are four scenarios that might be better the current sudden death system currently in place.
Solution #1: Modified college system
This first idea is pretty simple. The NFL could copy the NCAA's overtime system - with one key change. Instead of starting from their opponent's 25 yard line, each team would start from their own 25 or 30 yard line.
So each team would get the same amount of offensive possessions - just as in the NCAA. But it would be much more like "real" football because teams would have to drive the football down the field just like normal.
The problem, of course, would be that teams would obviously always go for it on fourth down - as punting would be of no real value since the opposing team would start their drive at their own 25 or 30 regardless. But it's an idea - and it could be tweaked.
Solution #2: Modified sudden death
This system would be a lot like the current one. But the difference here would be that each team would get one offensive possession before going to sudden death. For example, if the team that receives the first kickoff of OT kicks a field goal, the other team would still get a chance for an offensive possession. But if they remain tied after each offense gets a chance, it would then become the first team to score.
If nothing else, this eliminates the problem many have with the current system in that each team is guaranteed at least one offensive possession.
Solution #3: The full fifth quarter
I really like this idea - but it might not be the most practical. The rules are simple - play one full ten minute quarter. It would be played just as the fourth quarter of the game is played and wouldn't end until the clock reaches 0:00. So one team could get an early lead and then try to milk the clock. Or it could come down to a last second field goal. It sure would be exciting, if nothing else.
But it presents an issue. What happens if the game remains tied after the extra ten minute period? And we can't forget about television issues. If an early Sunday afternoon games goes into overtime, it would cut into the late afternoon games - causing headaches for television networks.
Solution #4: First to six points
This last idea is definitely my personal favorite. The idea is simple - whichever team scores six points first in overtime wins. That means a team could lose in OT without ever getting an offensive snap. But only if that team surrenders a touchdown on the opening drive. However if a team kicks a field goal on the opening drive, the opposing team would get a chance to win by scoring a touchdown on their first drive.
This idea would add entirely new strategy to overtime. Say the team that receives the opening OT kickoff is facing a 4th and 2 from the 25, for example. Do they go for it in hopes of continuing their drive towards a game-winning touchdown? Or do they settle for the field goal and hope their defense steps up?
I think this would really add new excitement to the sport and make overtime so much more entertaining...and fair.
So what do you think?
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i like 3 and 4
but ur right, 3 would interfere with the tv stations; solution 4 would be very entertaining
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Agree, buuut...
I’ve been pushing a variation of number four to my friends for a while now, but you’re forgetting one thing: it completely negates the value of a safety. Give up a safety, and it’s actually a benefit to the team that gave it up since they’ll be punting/safety kicking from 20-30 yards down the field from where they would have before, out of their own end zone. And the team that gets the points from the safety still needs two field goals or a touchdown to win, since the odds of getting two safeties in an overtime are fairly out there. In fact, you could even see the team that gets backed up in their own end zone INTENTIONALLY giving up a safety for kicking space.
First team to score FIVE points works just as well (2 field goals, one touchdown) and rewards a team that scores a safety. Otherwise, it’s definitely the best of those options (though a solution in ESPN the Magazine that had opposing teams blind bid for a starting position was an interesting idea too).
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really why does it need to change… last time i checked every team in the NFL has some form of a defensive unit and they take the field each and every game.
the college system is a joke… and unwatchable on top of that…
if you give each team the ball – well then I’ll kick off and throw 9 man blitzes knowing that the offense will get a shot if it fails…
changes the game, while not as much as the college system, likely as much..
now if you wanted to move the kick offs up, so the receiving team gets worse field position then i’m good with that, but otherwise, i don’t have issues with the structure of overtime… if you are so worried about OT then win in regulation.
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by uncle finster on Feb 11, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
in that case
then i’m in favor of #6
just flip the coin and the winner actually wins…. :~)
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by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 11, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I second that
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True dat :-)
why the need to change anything? The sudden death aspect makes OT more interesting, not less. The fact that an element of chance exists bothers some but not me. I mean every sport has chance built into it & football is no different.
The college system? Ha ha, no way.
Personally I like the system as is – if you are that terrified of the coin toss than win the darn game in regulation :-)
The advantage is not that great either,
52% for the toss winner, its not exactly like a slanted field, plus you had just as much chance to win the toss, so you can say that there is a slight advantage AFTER the coin toss, but it IS a level playing field before the toss, lol.
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by uncle finster on Feb 11, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
but stats over the last decade indicate the coin flip winner is winning something like %58 and the reason i saw is due to the increased ability of field goal kickers combined with the moving back of the initial OT kick off… and i can’t remember the exact numbers but drives that start from the 20 result in scores dramatically less frequently then those that start at the 35 or beyond…
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by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 11, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would see your point more if it were say 80%
but its not, plus based on the stats I have seen a good portion of those games that are won by the team winning the coin toss, are not won on the 1st possession
There is a table shown by a poster at the bottom of the page who thinks the current OT is unfair. Yet in looking at the numbers in all OT games since 1974; ONLY 28% of the time did the team win the toss and score on the 1st possession
How exactly is that an unfair advantage again?
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Would you play a game if 28% of the time you wouldn't get the chance to score?
If based on a coin flip, you knew that more than a quarter of the time, you couldn’t use your offense, would you play? I wouldn’t. That is why it is unfair.
well the issues
isn’t since 1974, it’s the fact over the last 10 years and even more significantly the last 5 or so, when the numbers start skewing towards the receiving team very heavily…
and i do believe the numbers are close to 80% for scoring if a drive starts at the 35 or beyond over the last 5 years….
and this is because kickers are better then ever, passing is more effective, and the kick off point has moved back
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by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 12, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, plus there is a statistic that shows that the team that wins the coin toss only wins the
game 50% of the time. Not only that but the defense gets to play for a turnover on the opponent’s own field and practically win the game or get punted to in an ideal field position. I think the sistem is okay as it is.
The percentages for every OT game in the NFL are as follows:
60% of all OT games in the NFL have been won by the team that wins the coin toss.
But only 39% of all OT games were won on the first possession. So the argument seems pretty weak in regards to changing the rules. Although I do agree with moving the kick off up 5 yards, but that’s it.
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exactly, what you say adds a huge deal to what my point was: OT is not won
on the first possession, therefore the famous coin toss isn’t as huge a factor as we might like to believe it is.
What about a 5 minute qtr?
No huddle fast past who’s go the gas make or break it.
Then go to who ever wins the toss.
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Option # 2 is best…both teams get a chance before sudden death. This eliminates the one possession OT and keeps the game quick as well with only a minor format to game.
I also would vote for #4
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I like the system just the way it is
Don’t belittle the defense and special teams. But if you HAVE to change it I guess #2 is the best since you keep it closest to how it is now. Also I don’t understand give the team the ball at a certain spot, what happened to kicking it off and playing great special teams? This is a professional league and all three phases of the game need to be included and are just as important.
i dont always like it but the truth is if you didnt win earlier
And your defense cant stop the other team you dont deserve to win
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 11, 2010 2:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
When a defense holds a team to a field goal
instead of allowing a touchdown, in regulation this is considered a WIN for the defense, because it now gives your offense a chance to do what you are SUPPOSE to do in football….score touchdowns. So if you receive the kickoff and bring it our to your 30, the offense struggles to get it to the opponents 35 or 37, makes a very long field goal, in regulation this is a defensive stand. But in overtime, it says your defense gave up the game. This changes the definition of defense and the overall game of football, in my opinion.
by Doug Maxton on Feb 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
that is becuase the definition is different...
based on the situation
Think about it, if you give up a FG in regulation, you haven’t lost the game
In OT you have, that is why they are completely different situations
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
But why does the game change just because it is overtime?
Shouldn’t it still be the same game? Same rules?
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
because of the situation
that is the same thing as giving up a 3 pointer in the 2nd quarter of a game
and then giving one up at the buzzer in the 4th
they are two totally different situations
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
How is giving up any points a win for the defense?
If the ball was turned over already in FG range, then I woud agree with you. but allowing a team to drive the ball into FG range is not a win by the defense.
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There's an option you haven't listed:
Personally, I think there should only be one possession. The team that wins the toss gets to choose whether to play offense or defense. If the offense scores, that team wins. If the offense fails to score, then the defensive team wins. This makes both offense and defense actually count, while also playing within the scheduling constraints.
As for field goals, I don’t think they should count in this system, but it’s open for discussion.
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My god that's crazy enough to work
And I’m not being an ass, that’s a decent idea and honestly seems like it would be VERY entertaining to watch lol. Nobody would go for it though.
This is how I've always felt it should be.
It puts offense and defense on equal footing.
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each team gets ball at own 20..problem solved
after 1 possession from each offense. Sudden Death. It’s as easy as that. The Coin Toss system is a big joke. Maybe worst than penalty kicks in the world cup. “Let’s bust our asses for four years for a tie game to be decided by each other’s goalie” Classic FIFA
I personaly like the modified college system the best
it would gaurantee teams would play for a TD and not for a FG. Since no matter what the other team gets a chance to match or better your score. but it has to have a clause for defenesive turnovers. maybe 20 yds down the field. then the coach would decide whether to take it at own 30 or 20 yds down the field from the TO.
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by PotM on Feb 11, 2010 6:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
WHAT
college overtime is a mess, how could you POSSIBLY prefer it to to NFL overtime
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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
an extremly moded out version
like the one above and in the post. I just dont think that a team should not get an opportunity to take the field and the concept of the college system seems fairer. it holds that if one team scores that the other team gets one drive to match or better. That way both defenses and offenses are given a chance to take the field.
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by PotM on Feb 11, 2010 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if the article is about overtime...
then what’s with the Animal House float in the picture?
by special agent wildcat on Feb 11, 2010 6:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i dont understand why everyone
hates NFL overtime, you have 60 min. to win the ball game, if not you go to sudden death, yes decided by a coin toss who STARTS with the ball, but its by no means over, the team that starts with the ball in overtime wins only about 60% of the time, and only about 40% on that first series. Overtime has been this way forever, and has always worked, why does eveyone over the past 5 years suddenly seem to believe that the NFL’s overtime system is so flawed.
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Yup
If we’re going to change ANY aspect of any football, I’d rather see NCAA Football change their playoffs.
Imagine March Madness, with football..
The overtime system is just fine. You can argue fairness all day if you want to, this is the most exciting system in place. And like somebody mentioned, if you can’t win after 60 minutes of play and you go on to surrender another score to open your first defensive series of extra play, you should be done.
The six points thing I just don’t like, especially when it’s a snow-game and the teams aren’t scoring all game. What would make you believe that six points would just automatically come from either side in a reasonable timespan?
Keep it the way it is.
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by jojo phin fan on Feb 11, 2010 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
oooo good point...
about option #4
If the Bills and Browns were tied after regulation and needed to have the 1st to 6 win the game, the game would go into the next day lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I like #4, but modified
I like the first team to 6 points…but it should be first team to score a touchdown…no field goals allowed. That would make for some impressive and nerve-wracking 4th downs (not to mention the reduced stress levels of the kickers!)
Eh
If using that system, I like to include field goals as scoring options. First to score a touchdown could possibly elongate the playing time for far too long a period. First to score six points allows for more strategic decision-making: do I kick that FG, knowing full well that we could lose if we give up a TD? Or do I go for it on 4th & 4 because I want to win the game right here, right now? It still incorporates the sudden death aspect of it all, but makes it slightly more fair in that even if you kick a FG you haven’t won (unless you kick two). Now, if you’ve allowed two field goals or TD after being tied for four quarters, you deserve to lose. But as I mentioned above, I just don’t like the six point scenario due mostly to the fact that six points isn’t even a guarantee in four quarters of play.
And, with offense becoming the flavor of the decade, fine special teams and defensive play should be rewarded after a four-quarter tie. Special teams: kicking off, coverage, defending the field goal. Also included are kickers on offense.
Special teams is far too underrated. If your offense hasn’t won it for you after four quarters, your defense and special teams should either be spectacular or you should not win the game.
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by Dave.Phuller on Feb 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think you go with another quarter.
If it’s 10 minutes or even just 8 minutes, I think that’s better, and it’s still football. College and the NFL’s playing for a FG isn’t football. If you remain tied at the end of regulation, you are tied – in the postseason, play another quarter. If you want to play more quarters in the regular season, that would be fine, but like you said, you have TV issues to worry about.
I’ve heard a lot about the 6 point idea, and I don’t mind it, but it still could lead to a situation where the Saints win the toss, drive for the TD and Peyton Manning can just sit on the sideline and watch. I think whatever the system, both teams HAVE to get the ball.
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New Rule
The Continuation rule.
Where ever the game is at when time runs out is where the game begins in overtime. If the Dolphins are tied with the Jets and have the ball on 2nd down and four at the Jets 35 when time runs out, then the overtime begins at the same spot with 2nd and four. The Phins could then play out their last downs and try to score, instead of the game and even season ended by the leg a guy who plays a few minutes per game or a freakin’ coin.
This would mean teams could play to score not just kick long field goals. More teams would go for the TD, especially if you played an extra qtr. TD’s are infinitely more fun than FG’s. I want to see them play football!
But you just took out the 2 minute drill. In a game that is tied, there's no pressure.
The team that has the ball can just take all day, because they know in the “fifth quarter” the game essentially just extends for them to score.
I wrote a longer comment about this idea below.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
The pressure would come from trying to hold on to the ball
instead of just getting into field goal range. You wouldn’t necessarily be just be going for the FG, you would be actually playing like you play the rest of the game – to control the ball, make first downs and outscore your opponent.
I really like #1
And I can see #4 being fun, but #1 is what I have been hoping for since I became a football fan.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Feb 11, 2010 8:12 AM EST reply actions
The College system
is awful, I really hope the NFL does not go to it
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
NFL Overtime Rules Should Not Change
Other than in the final two minutes of a half, when do NFL teams play for a field goal?
I see overtime as just that, the last minutes of a game without worrying about the clock and the possibility of the other team getting the ball back if you score with too much time left. That’s fine with me.
Sudden Death overtime is perfectly fair in my eyes… even with the NFL advancing a game these days that favors offensive productivity. In the Packers/Cards playoff game, the Packers won the toss. But they didn’t waltz down and kick a 40 yard field goal to win without the Cards touching the ball…. instead Arizona’s defense took it in their own hands to make one hell of a play to force a fumble and score a defensive touchdown. In the Vikings/Saints playoff game, the Vikings had the ball in field goal range and the game tied with 19 seconds left. After a dumb penalty they attempted a pass that was intercepted, giving up the opportunity for the game-winning field goal. In the 2007 NFC championship game, the Packers won the coin toss in overtime. Did they march down the field and kick a field goal without the Giants touching the ball? Nope, the Giants intercepted the ball and won the game.
The overtime rules are fair. Everyone knows what they are going in, and it’s certainly not a given that the coin toss winning team is going to kick a field goal without the other team touching the ball (I’ve seen stats floating around saying that happens around 30% of the time). There are more than enough opportunities in a 60 minute game for a team’s offense, defense, special teams, and coaching to beat the opponent, by the widest or narrowest margins. If you can’t do that in 60 minutes, these are the overtime rules. If you lose the coin toss, it’s up to the other team to not make a costly mistake and it’s up to your defense to earn their multi-million dollar salaries and make a play.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
But, if they change the rules, then the new rules are the ones everyone knows going in.
It seems like your argument is mostly based on the “It’s the rules and everyone knows it” argument. But, if they decide to change it, then everyone will know the new rules, so your statement goes out the window.
The overtime rules are fair. Everyone knows what they are going in…
If there’s a better option, why not go to that option?
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Why do we need to change it at all?
Its the NFL, if your D can’t stop a team driving for a winning FG or TD; then they do not under any circumstances deserve to win the game.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Obvious Solution
that no one discusses is to just keep playing into a 5th quarter – with the team that has the ball at the end of regulation maintaining possession. Once you enter OT it’s sudden death – first to score wins. Simple, Obvious. Fair.
Good system
But basically what you have done is extended the 4th QTR until one team has the lead.
If you stop a team on the last minute try from the 1 yard line on 3rd and goal as time expires, that team then gets an extra shot at the endzone on 4th down because you’ve gone into the “5th QTR.” I don’t think that really works either.
If you do it like this, you can’t make it sudden death. A team won’t feel any pressure diriving the field with teh game tied. They’ll have all day, because the know if they can’t get withing fieldgoal range, the game will just extend until they score. No hurry up. No 2 minute drill. You have all day now.
They kick the ball off after the 2nd QTR…you don’t come back out of halftime with the ball in play wherever it was at the end of the half. Why would you kick off after the first two QTRs, but not after the second two QTRs?
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
You never have "all day" in any NFL game
You have 4 downs. You still have to get a first down to continue your play.
You can take the whole play clock...
Don’t really worry about time outs. If the clock gets down to :10 and you are at the 50 or 45 yard line, why rush? You have the 5th quarter and can continue playing all you want.
If you are at the 35 and it’s 3rd down, screw kicking the long field goal to try to win. You know you are going to get the extra period, starting right where you are, and can keep working on it. Go ahead and call a running play, try to gain some yards and see where you are on 4th down when the 5th quarter starts.
Doesn’t work at all. You are asking a defense to have to stop a team with no regard to the clock what-so-ever. You are telling an offense that they have no reason to rush to the line of scrimmage. Therefore, you do have all day…..
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
This is a bad idea
It would take the 2-minute drill out of games and change the whole aspect of a close game
IMO it would take away some of the excitement
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY!
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Each Team gets an offensive possession
I like this one, however if there is a defensive TD then the game is over as well. Overtime should not be a long drawed out process but it needs to be better than it is. A whole fifth quarter is too long, the first team to 6 in a defensive struggle can be very long based on FGs.
My question with one possession each is if Team A scores then Team B scores then Team A scores, does Team B have the chance to score again… or is that similar to College?
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a modified college system. Have each team swap posessions until one outscores the other. I hate the rule that is in place now, especially in an offensive game that has the two teams tied at 45, which would mean neither teams defense is worth a #$%@ so the coin toss decides the game. If one team scores and kicks the extra point, the other team would be forced to score and go for 2, that would eliminate the tie problem. Just one fans opinion!!
I agree up until the force the team to go for 2 part
How can you change overtime to make it more like “real” football – and then force a team that may choose to not go for 2 to make that effort.
If you go to multiple possessions by each team, I can understand making BOTH teams go for 2, but allowing one team to kick an XP while the other team has to gor for 2 is just as competitively imbalanced as the game is now. You still end up with a coin toss possibly deciding the game…
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
what I was saying is...
make the team that scores first try to beat the other team and not tie them, for example, first team with ball kicks field goal, then second team has to score td to win, no fg to tie.
by FinsFanDave on Feb 11, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
You did not address his point.
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I think they should keep the system the same but instead of a coin toss each coach puts in a “bid” on what yard line they would want to start on. So say coach A puts in the twenty yard line and coach B puts in the ten yard line, then Team B would get the ball at their own ten in which the first score wins.
y not
just make it one ten min q in the regular season.if it’s a tie at the end of the period,so be it.this way each team would get the ball atleast once. i think the playoffs should be the same,(no playoff game should ever come down to a coin flip)except you play another q if it’s tie after the first overtime.someone above mentioned make the teams go for 2 pt conv,this i think would help speed up the overtime,and would make the possibility of a tie alot less likely.i know the tv schedule is the problem, but whats more important the an nfl football game on the tv?? ahh…………nada!
Overtime proposal
Whoever wins the coin toss has to go down the field and kick a field goal or score a touchdown. If the winner of the coin toss scores a field goal, then the opposing team has to score a touchdown to win. If the winner of the coin toss scores a touchdown, then the opposing team has to score a touchdown plus a two point conversion attempt to win.
What do you think?
2 and 4 seem the most fair,
- seems the most practical, in my opinion. It keeps the strategical stuff in play, because if you have 4th and 2 from the 25, then if you settle for a field goal, you can’t give up a touchdown for the opponent because then they would win. but if you go for the touchdown and miss, then you can’t even give up a field goal.
- seems like it could take awhile though.
by phinphanrocker on Feb 11, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions
I understand that the current system is flawed and maybe you tweak it a bit but for the
most part it needs to be left alone. I don’t think anything radical will ever be done as the NFL will continue to do what they must to keep their primary cash cow (the networks) happy. Anything that will make the games longer is going to come up against resistance.
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Why can't the teams just take a "tie" in their record?
Especially if the league is going to more teams in the future, and time constraints. Just use the tied record in the computation for playoff teams.
What’s the purpose of the “tied” column in team’s records? I mean, how many overtimes do they do until it’s officially a tied score?
It’s like a tied record is taboo…
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I think thats one route you could go with the expanded season for sure.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I like the idea
just have no OT at all in the regular season and have more ties instead
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Reason
You can’t have a tie in the post season
by Ralph In Michigan on Feb 11, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand your point. They do have ties now. They are calculated into theor records.
Just ask Donovan McNabb.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
You mean they can tie in the NFL?
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Put 5min on the clock.
1 badass from each team go to the 50 and beat the hell out of each other (winner takes all) lol.
... make it quarterbacks...
I wanna see Tom (give me the flag) Brady go up against any other quarterback…
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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we in OT with Oakland
Did Satan return from Bama
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by PotM on Feb 11, 2010 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good point but I was really speaking about each QB in individual fights.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not to get of the subject...
Nice post. I like # 4.
I seems from radio shows up here that the Pats are going to put the franchise tag on Vince Wilfork. So any pipe dreams of him playing for Miami next season may to lost. He would have looked good in Miami jersey next season though.
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1. I've always liked the idea of an extra quarter, although making it <10 minutes works as well.
2. First to 5 kills the lame FG to win thing which I hate.
3. First to score, but field goals aren’t allowed in the first ten minutes works for me. Go down and score a stinking touchdown or burn ten minutes off the clock.
4. No overtime. Win it in regulation or walk away with a tie (except in the playoffs).
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 11, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions
Option 4 or leave it along.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and good to see you around again sir!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think a GW FG in OT or regulation
is a great way to end a game, it has been part of the NFL for decades and now people are bored with it and feel it is unfair for a game to end on a FG??
That makes no sense
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the field goal.
It’s the taking an offense out of the game.
If the Saints and Colts had gone to overtime, and the Saints won on the first possession, don’t you think everyone would be upset that Peyton didn’t at least get a chance to tie/win the game?
The FG to win is still there…there just needs to be a way to make it fair that each team gets the ball at least once.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Sudden death is anything but fair...
Even though the winner of the coin toss does not always win, the percentages are in their favor. In other words, the system is set up to create a situation whereby one team may not get an offensive possession. There are lots of statistics on this that I won’t try to quote here, but consider:
1) Kickers are far more accurate now
2) Kickoffs from the 35 yard-line result in (usually) good field position for the receiving team (those ten extra yards are huge when you are playing for a FG).
Rather than mess with the kicking rules, I think you have to have a system that requires a touchdown.
I like the suggestion postulated by Bill Simmons on ESPN.com:
1) Win the toss, score a TD on your first possession and you win.
2) Win the toss, score a FG and the other team gets the ball to try to score a TD and win.
3) A defensive TD on the first possession wins.
4) If the game is tied after two possessions, it’s sudden death from that point on.
Current system is very fair
It is the NFL, these guys go out and beat the crap out of each other and they are supposed to be great athletes. Lets not give the D excuses for not doing their job in OT by changing the rules
If your D can’t stop the other team, then the team deserves to lose.
The only option I would consider is getting rid of the kickoff and punts in OT and having each team start from its OWN 20 yard line, 1st to score wins.
That way if your the defense on the 1st drive and you let the offensive team drive 80 yards for the winning TD or 50 yards or so for the winning FG, you got nothing to complain about.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
We change the rules now.
A FG in regular play is a defensive stop. In overtime, it’s the game.
In regulation, you are trying to stop the offense from getting to the goal line. In OT, you are trying to stop them from getting to the 30-yard line. That’s 30 yards of changed rules right there…
How can you say that the current system isn’t changing the rules?
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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
The only defensive stop is one that results in zero points.
There have been plenty of games decided by teams only scoring FGs.
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Of course its consider that way
Giving up a FG in the 2nd quarter of the game, doesnt cost you to lose the game
Giving up one in OT does; that is how it is
Giving up a basehit that scores a run in the 5th inning of a baseball game may not allow you to lose the game, but that same basehit in the bottom of the 9th would
The time of the game means everything when it defies whether the defense won or lost the game for you.
That being said, I know it is a touchy issue, because football is the only sport where there is a possibility of OT and not having both teams have the ball, but in all honesty it is the defenses job to get the ball back for the offense.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
If the defense cannot get the ball back for the offense...
the team deserves to lose and it shouldn’t be any other way.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
If the team winning the coin toss wins more than 50% of the time without the opposing team having a chance, then the system is unfair.
From 2002-2007, 30% or so of the overtime games ended with one team never having touched the ball. That’s a problem. (http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/10/how-important-is-coin-flip-in-ot.html)
The short field is a problem, especially when you factor in that most kickers have a pretty good shot at making a 45 yd FG. That means you need to get to roughly the opponent’s 30 YL to have a shot to win. When the league moved kickoffs back to the 35-YL to increase the number of returns, they gave an advantage to the offense in that they often are able to start a drive from beyond their own 20-YL. Start at the 30, and you need to move the ball 40 yards to have a shot to win. Those extra 10 yards can be huge.
I dont agree that....
the current NFL overtime is unfair. Look this is the NFL, the big time, the defenses need to step up; PERIOD. If they don’t, it is not up to the NFL to bail them out by changing the rules. It is the NFL and the defense has to step up, if they do not, it is completely on them for losing. By saying the NFL needs to modify overtime, you are taking the blame away from the guys who get paid millions to do their job.
I don’t mind the college football IT, but I do not want that for the NFL.
That being said your #4 option really does intrigue me and wouldn’t mind seeing it implemented if the rules were in fact changed.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions
NFL bailed out the offense so why not the D?
The NFL has changed many rules that are geared to scoring more TDs. In the NFL scoring equals more fans. So why not do something to help out the D.
The offense has:
Brady rule: Arm going forward
Brady rule: No touching the QB if you are on the ground
No touching the QB helmet even if an accident
Def Pass interference is a joke because it is not consistently called
Off Pass interference aka the Moss rule hardly is ever called
The NFL has geared the rules to score more and protect their offensive star players
by Ralph In Michigan on Feb 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
The college system for OT
is terrible, I pray the NFL does not do it.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions
every player on the off.need to get a personal note & ask Q. afterword just making sure.
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 11, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions
OT will stay the same
For something to change in the current OT system, I think something like this is going to happen. Peyton or Brady team is going to have to lose the coin toss in a Playoff game or the Super bowl and they never get to touch the ball in OT. Until something like that happens the NFL will not change the OT format.
I like the College OT system, but would rather change it to where you start on your own 20. I say start from your own 20 so that the team has to actually move into scoring position. NFL kickers are just too good today to start any closer than that.
by Ralph In Michigan on Feb 11, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions
Another Option for Overtime
I like option 5: In the event of Overtime, release the Golden Snitch on the field and play as normal. Sudden Death applies, but if a team’s Catcher Catches the Snitch before either team scores, the game is over with the catching team prevailing.
#3 is essentially the NBA system applied to the NFL
but that would never happen.
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i think they should leave it like it is
if you had won in regulation, then you wouldn’t need overtime. of course, my opinion could change depending upon the outcome of a dolphin game.
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I like #3 with a twist
Here is what I suggest. The current overtime is a 15 min period. I would make this two 7 min 30 second periods. Here is why:
1) Flip the coin in overtime to determine who receives the ball. Team “A” kicks off to Team “B”
2) Play the full 7 min 30 second period, just like a real game.
3) The team winning at the end of the period wins the game.
4) If the game is tied at the end of the shortened period, the teams switch sides of the field.
5) The 2nd 7 min 30 second period begins with Team “B” kicking off to Team “A”.
6) The game is now sudden death.
7) First team to score in this period wins.
8) If the score is still tied after the 2nd period, the game goes into the record books as tied.
#4 except, up to 9 points, so no matter what, bot teams will have a chance to play on offense
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Option #2 makes the most sense
I’ve seen some posts stating that OT was 50/50. That is not correct. The stats below show that the coin flip gives a major advantage to the team winning the toss. There is a good reason to change OT.
Total no. of overtime games (1974–2003) 365
Both teams had at least one possession 261 (72 %)
Team won toss and won game 189 (52 %)
Team lost toss and won game 160 (44 %)
Team won toss and drove for winning score 102 (28 %)
Games ending in a tie 15 (5 %)
Overtime games in 2002 26
Both teams had at least one possession 15 (58 %)
Team won toss and won game 16 (62 %)
Team lost toss and won game 9 (35 %)
Team won toss and drove for winning score 10 (38 %)
Games ending in a tie 1 (3 %)
Overtime games in 2003 23
Both teams had at least one possession 16 (70 %)
Team won toss and won game 12 (52 %)
Team lost toss and won game 11 (48 %)
Team won toss and drove for winning score 6 (26 %)
Games ending in a tie 0 (0 %)
Option #2 keeps OT competitive without over extending the game. Each team gets one position. Fans get to see all aspects from both teams – offense, defense and kicking. The game can’t be won on a single busted coverage or kickoff return. Overtime games become more dramatic and involves a lot more strategy from the coaches. If a coach settles for an easy field goal on the first position the other team could win with a TD. Everything that makes football exciting is included is option #2.
The reason the OT rule is what it is today is in part because the NFL doesn’t want 4 hour games. Options 3 and 4 are impractical if the NFL wants to keep games within a reasonable time. Option one doesn’t allow teams to use the kicking game which is an important part of football.
Your stats show me that 28%, 38%, and 26% of the time one team doesn't get the ball.
How does that translate to the coin toss being a major advantage? The only relevant stat is the one that shows both teams got a possession. Now how can you tell me that 3 out of 10 games is an advantage?
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based on your info
72% of the time,, under the current NFL overtime format, both teams have gotten the ball
So how exactly is it an unfair advantage? The numbers aren’t supporting the argument that the team who wins the toss has an unfair advantage; they don’t
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
If your team loses the toss
Go out there and do you job, get the ball back for your offense. Again if you don’t it is not because the other team had an unfair advantage by getting the ball. It is because your defense was not good enough to stop them in OT; it is on the defense and it is a big part of the game.
Gee you don’t stop the other team from scoring, you don’t win; what a concept lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 11, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
... shit or get off the pot..?
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i like them all but instead i would just have the dolphins win if they were eer in overtime…but thats just me. =)
Is there a perfect answer?
I surely do not like the present system. The fact that witht he present system your offense will never see the ball unless your defense makes a stop, in my opinion is not fair. Evry team needs to be afforded the opportunityy to score. I do not have the answer and even if I did I would not be in the position to change anything.
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I don't like the current system, but I really don't like changing it either.
Something about its the way I’ve always remembered it says, leave it be…
by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 11, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions
Simple solution to first scenario
To keep teams from always going for it on 4th down, just give them three downs. I think it should just be first team to have a lead with the OT possessions equal.
leave it alone
there’s nothing wrong with the OT system. Everybody makes such a huge deal about the coin toss deciding the winner, but every single statistic argues with that. Unless you can come up with a way to award possession within the context of the game (or like hockey and basketball do with the faceoff/jump ball) than that’s the only fix needed. It can’t be something like “whoever has more yards” because the game is tied, therefore all the stats can be thrown out the window, both teams managed to score the same amount of points, and thats the only stat that matters..
My solution is have 2 captains play a best of 3 Rock/Paper/Scissors, winner gets choice of possession. The sudden death aspect can stay, because you have to play offense, defense, and special teams. The game isn’t automatically over when one team gets the ball first. Here’s what you need to know:
The average NFL drive starts between the 25 and 30 yard line.
The average NFL drive lasts about 30 yards.
If you start at the 30, and go 30 yards, you set up a 57 yard FG.
In 2009, Kickers hit 52% of FG’s over 50 yards.
Bottom line, it is FAR from a sure thing that a team will drive down and hit a FG on the first drive of overtime, despite what many writers will have you believe. If you’re defense can hold a team to the NFL average of starting field position and drive length, then it’s about a 50/50 chance of that team missing a long FG (or not even attempting it). 50/50, the same odds as that coin flip everybody bitches about. There’s nothing broken with NFL OT. There’s no need to try and fix it.
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