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Two people in contact with the Dolphins said last week they would be very surprised if Miami pursues a trade for Brandon Marshall. But they could envision the Dolphins offering a draft pick (third round or later) for Arizona's Anquan Boldin.

-From the Miami Herald's Barry Jackson and his "Florida Sports Buzz."

Keep in mind that trading can't take place yet until the new league year - which begins March 5 I believe. So don't get too crazy. It's early and this could all be nonsense. But a 3rd for Boldin is an amazing deal. That's the highest I'd go, however, at this point.

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No matty, I posted this first!

NO FAIR YOU CHEAT!

I really think we should go after him. But who do we get rid of? Turner….Ginn?

The Turner project hasn’t gone so well. But he has a whole offseason to improve, and maybe amaze a few of us.

Ginn? Alright, he’s dropped quite a few passes. But he’s a great return man. And with the addition of Boldin (hopefully), who wouldn’t want a speedy #2 WR?

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by Kdog92 on Feb 10, 2010 7:47 AM EST reply actions  

Matty, just a quick question...

Do you think, Ryan Grice-Mullen, will be our return man…if he makes it, and if so…trade Ginn for a 3rd or 4th?

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by Kdog92 on Feb 10, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't get rid of any WR maube White or even a LB

But a third is as high as I would want to trade for, as well.

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by Weecho85 on Feb 10, 2010 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

*maybe

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by Weecho85 on Feb 10, 2010 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Boldin

not a huge fan of shipping draft picks for Boldin…why send a 3rd for Boldin when you can get a superstar Receiver who solves the problem for many more years to come for a 1st and 3rd!?¨!?! Boldin is almost 30 and his injuries lately worry me a little.

i dont know but either our WR coaches suck or our scouting department missed that class in school. how come the good teams are able to find the Garcons, the Mike Wallaces, the Knoxs and we dont….. we really really need some speed.

Ginn is our only legimat WR who stretches the field and is vital for our running game
Bess is on of the best young slot posession receivers
Hartline, faster version of Camarillo, got some upside, no superstar
Camarillo, dependable, reliable but cant outrun a NT

if we make a move for a WR…. ROBER MEACHEM of the Saints
he got the speed and size we are looking for, send the saints that 3rd rounder
and you got a 25 yr old superstar in the making

by Crowder 911 on Feb 10, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

Your answers

Manning and Big Ben make the Garcons and the Mike Wallaces good. They also have Wayne and Wards and Holmes to make them better. Johnny Knox is looking good, but I don’t think he is much better than Ginn.

Robert Meachem will not be available, he was a 1st round pick and he is in a great system. They most likely will keep him and if they were to get rid of him they will not trade for a 3rd

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by k2oconnor on Feb 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

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very good point. thats why i still believe in Ginn. give this kid a legimate no. 1 Receiver and he will develope.

I have 0 doubt that about Henne, he will be one of the top 10 qbs next season, as many experts believe.

to me key is that Henning does a better job, i think it was smart to keep him as a coordinator change could have hurt Hennes development. still think both Pasqualoni and Henning did a poor job last season.

my point is… why is eveybody mentioning the draft WR and the veteran WR but nobody talks about the young potential guys. if you would have shipped a 2nd to Dallas last season for Austin, WHAT I WAS SCREAMING FOR!!!!!! problem solved.

from all the positions in the draft i feel like WR is besides QB the most difficult to address.

true the Saints have Meachem, true the saints used a 1st round pickl
that being said they have Colston, Henderson, Moore, Roby, Shockey, Bush and all the other RBs are active in the passing game… so they might have a position they had like to address and makes them feel like they can afford to ship a WR, where they are very deep at for. specially after you won the super bowl a lot of players will be standing in line for a pay check and extra money.

by Crowder 911 on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

OMG people are still thinking Ginn will "deveope" ?

Its time to find a new fast guy to wait to “develope” Ginn will never be a quality receiver he has stone hands.

Id rather have 5 guys who can catch the ball 95% of the time then any ammount of ted ginns who cant run routes.. cant get open 1/2 the time and when he is open he can only catch the ball what.. 40% of the time? No give me even 3 quality receivers who are not as fast over three ted ginns any day

Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
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by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Austin

Jerry Jones loves Miles Austin. Never going to happen and never was going to happen.

by FinFanFromCA on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

True story!

I can not tell you how many times I have said this on this site and yet someone will still bring up his name every few days.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We JUST drafted Brian Hartline,

and he is going to be a stud. I don’t see how that translates into our FO not being good at finding that level of receiver.

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by joel311 on Feb 10, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hartline will be a stud #2 WR....

he’s not a #1 guy.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

What are the requirements to be the number one receiver in you mind?

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Jersey number: 1 and position: WR

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Well then give that number to Heartline.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh....

That’s not what you meant.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Not exactly. I just find it funny that everyone thinks that a number one

guy has to have a certain size and a certain 40 time. Bottom line is if a guy can go out there and put up a 1000 yards plus and lead the team in receiving then you have your number one.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

See Steve Smith in Carolina.

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by Chupathingy on Feb 10, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I just remember Marino doing just fine with a couple of little short guys.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I was agreeing with you.

I just mentioned Steve Smith because he is Carolina’s #1 receiver and he isn’t that big of a guy. At least he isn’t the height/weight that most people think of for a #1 receiver.

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by Chupathingy on Feb 11, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I don't know that we have that guy but what if you got

a really great receiving TE to throw in the mix maybe a Spiller type guy that can take it to the house on every catch out of the back field or screen pass and Heartline can turn in a 1000 year + season I think we would be just fine offensively.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll agree with that. That would be an awesome offense.

I’m gonna have to start trying to do some voodoo to get Houston to trade us Daniels and Andre Johnson for Gibril Wilson and Patrick Turner. Then to get Arizona to give us their 2nd rounder in exchange for Porter, and finally to get Tampa Bay to trade us their 1st round pick for Fasano, and we grab Eric Berry. Then we just pick up Dansby from free agency and draft Spiller at 12 and BAM! Solves a whole bunch of our problems.

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by Chupathingy on Feb 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know about Dansby. All the Cards fans say hes

pretty much a one trick pony. If you can manage all those other moves you would be a hero!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My Requirements....

A player you can count on to make the clutch catch when you need it, despite coverage.
A player that offenses HAVE to scheme for and account for on each and every play.
A player that is physical and fights for the ball, not just hopes it hits him in the hands.
A player that puts in the extra work to better himself.
A player that other WR’s on the team want to emulate.

Get me one of these guys.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So would you say that based on that criteria that Welker is a number one?

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

He fits some of the requirements, but Welker isn’t a go up and get the ball type of receiver. He’s a catch it on the run across the middle and evade guy.

And I’m not sure offenses scheme for him…..I would say currently they scheme for Moss, and Welker benefits from it.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Your probably right that hes not a number one but I would have to disagree

that Welker is not also schemed for. I think Brady is more than happy for you to double Moss. Hes more than happy to shred you with one 10 or 15 yard gain at at time to Welker.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

which is evidenced by Welker's multiple

10-13 catch games for ridiculous yardage lol.

But again, if they schemed against Welker, then Moss is left wide open deep, and that you just don’t do.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL its really a case of pick your poison.

Too bad we could never seem to teach Ginn to be effective. We easily could have done the same with our guys. Oh well!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup....

If Ginn would run fearlessly across the middle like Welker I’d have high hopes for him….as it is he tip toes hiding trying not to bend any blade of grass…..

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He needs to learn to get open more often as well.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL....

Sorry…read this expecting it to still be another shot at Nicky in the other thread…..imagine my confusion lol

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Oh the places you could have gone with that!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Patriot Wr's

The Patriots have a unique situation in that both Moss and Welker are limited role Wr’s. What I mean by this is——-Welker does his work from the slot and runs just two routes primarily…….the pivot and option route and Welker is not a threat in the redzone.

Moss is a deep Wr [go, post and corner routes] and not a whole lot more. You don’t see Moss running slants, crossing or dig routes [he has no interest]. I with Train, teams don’t scheme for Welker but they do scheme for Moss because they do not want to get beat over the top.

If the Patriots get aWr with size that is not afraid to catch in traffic they would have a much more complete shot gun spread offense and threaten the Dolphin defense more.

by Cardsfan81 on Feb 10, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This man has intelligence :)

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

There have been many teams that have talked about how they scheme for Welker over Moss

You HAVE to shut down Welker. At this age, and with the typical plays Moss takes off, it’s more dangerous to leave Welker running wild. Yes, it’s dangerous to let Moss run deep on you, but a couple of deep plays a game is a lot easier to handle than 10-15 15 yard plays that are (1) killing you with multiple large chunks of yardage and (2) eating up the clock more than one 80 yard pass.

As texas said…it’s a case of pick your poison. I just thing the stronger poison, and the poison more people worry about now-a-days, is Welker.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said! Rec'd!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You rec'd it because he said

“as texas said”

just admit it lol

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 11, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL It did not hurt his cause but I did it because I agreed with what he said 100%.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

That may be so,

but I think it is very fair to compare him to Mike Wallace and Pierre Garcon, don’t you? Are they as good as they are without their QBs and talented depth at WR surrounding them?

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by joel311 on Feb 10, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

#1 WR don't get run down like a dog with a 10 yd head start

like Hartline did in the Saints game. Hartline is a 4th WR (at best) on a good passing offense. Who would he replace in the top 3 WR’s for the Saints or the Colts? No one.

by ct1361 on Feb 10, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

After reading this....

All I could think of was sam.

Fr8train sad face.

I would take Boldin, and be happy, but I think he’s also several levels below Brandon Marshall, and 5 years older too.

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by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly.

Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!

by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Whether a 3rd round pick is even realistic for Boldin isn't something any of us know...

since the Cardinals haven’t openly stated anything – in typical fashion.

Now hypothetically if they were willing to deal Q for a 3rd, do you make that deal?

Whether you say yes or no may have to do with how you evaluate & prioritize draft picks.

Example: last year’s 3rd round pick was Patrick Turner who by now everyone knows contributed a staggering Gooseegg, aka, ZERO all of last year.

From this perspective, do you prefer Q Boldin in your starting offense or patrick turner in sweatpants on your sideline for 16 weeks? Talk about a slam dunk…

The other side of the coin could be portrayed by saying a 3rd round pick is too valuable as shown by recent successful 3rd round picks like Shonn Greene (jets RB), Mike Wallace (Steelers wideout), Jamaal Charles (KC rb)…

But how often does a FO, even a good one, hit on every pick, especially past the first two rounds?

I tend to think with all the uncertainty in the draft, particularly for wideouts, that a 3rd rounder for Q is a reasonable price.

by Natalya on Feb 10, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

not so fast little grasshopper

big tall guys usually tneed time to get into the game.
check stats of other players who became superstars, or other players who had a breakout year…
there are plenty who didnt catch a single ball.

by Crowder 911 on Feb 10, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Um, since when is this a patrick turner thread?

He’s merely an example of a 3rd round pick this FO made. As is, he contributed nothing last year, not even so much as dressing for most of our games. So at least in ‘09 there isn’t any need to have any sort of discussion as to who, Q or Turner, would have been better in a dolphins uni – Q by a country mile and a half. Next year? I don’t know but I’d surprised (pleasantly though!) if Turner was anywhere near as productive as Q, in 2010.

Back to the real discussion at hand is whether a productive, veteran, but somewhat injury prone WR is worth a 3rd round pick.

How much do you value a 3rd?
What are the chances/percentages of getting the pick right vs. getting a bust?
And what kind of player, what caliber do you think you can get for a 3rd?

I see Q Boldin as being good for ~900-1100 yards/season with a shelf life of 3 years. Meanwhile the draft remains a crap shoot, even for the most studied, analyzed, and overanalyzed players at the very top of the draft, much less in lower rounds where the percentages of success are even lower.

by Natalya on Feb 10, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd give a 3rd for Q

but thats as high as I would go.

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by Neo on Feb 10, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i think you and I agree again

i’d also toss in Porter if i had to. But I would have a very hard time giving up a 2nd rounder at this point.

by Matty I on Feb 10, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh-oh...Matty and Neo agreeing again.....

Matty speechless and agreeing with Neo in the span of just a couple of days…what is happening in this place?

And, btw, I agree with both of you…

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

When you say "check stats"

how about you actually bring some stats to the table?

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by joel311 on Feb 10, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this FO did good in the 4th last year! But no so good in the White and Turner picks

Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!

by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Boldin For 3rd rounder..ughhh

I think Cammarillo will be gone which would suck. The question remains how many years does Boldin have left in the tank? 3 WRS taken in the past 2 drafts in the first 4 rounds. I dont know about all that. Seems like a panic move to me. I personally think we screwed ourselves with the Patrick Turner. There’s a reason most scouts had him drafted in the 7th round. Hartline, however, showed promise. I like him alot. You can talk about quarterbacks making wide recievers better. That is true. But Austin Collie was rated alot alot higher than Patrick Turner,pre draft as well. That’s what I’m upset about. You draft a guy you may have gotten in the 7th round. Now you waste a 3rd round pick again. I dont know about that. We have too many holes for trading 3rd rounder for another wide receiver. We need alot of help on defense, more then offense. So let’s wake up “The Trifecta”

by Wallace758 on Feb 10, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

agree and disagree

put Turner in a Colts uniform and he would have catched 5 tds and 500+ yds…

by Crowder 911 on Feb 10, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I disagree

I think the Dolphins have the talented minds in Front Office just as much as the Colts have. The Trifecta took a shot with this kid and it doesnt seem to have panned out. Austin Collie would have came in here right away and would have cracked the lineup. Collie is a smart, crisp route runner with great hands who will be around this league for years to come. Patrick Turner will be accustomed to Red Zone work only and may be out of football in the next 3 years. Book it!

by Wallace758 on Feb 10, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

One Problem

Miles Austin. I don’t think he played for his first Two years.

by FinFanFromCA on Feb 10, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong. He played as a rookie but he was used primarily as a kick returner that first year.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Primarily = only.

He didn’t have a single catch his rookie year, but he did have 3 fumbles!

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by joel311 on Feb 10, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL But only one lost!

True. He was undrafted too. Its more acceptable to most fans to have to develop a guy that did not cost you a draft pick vs a number one pick. Sure that may not be fair to Ginn but hell is it fair that he got #1 money for the production that we have received from him? Life is not fair!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct

I missed that. Didn’t want to start aT. Ginn debate though.

by FinFanFromCA on Feb 10, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Don't worry someone else will somewhere around here soon.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

where do you base this opinion on?

He was not good enough to even get on the field with us.. why would you think he woulda mad it on the field somewhere else?

Face it the Pat’s were a bust last draft.. both of them.

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by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN gives phinsider hat tip

On the other hand, the Phinsider blog speculates that perhaps Boldin’s rough-and-tumble style (and subsequent proneness to injury) will keep the Dolphins from investing too high a draft pick in return. There’s a lot of buzz around Boldin-to-the-Dolphins right now.

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by phyrmun on Feb 10, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Talent breeds talent

At some point we need to bring in an experienced WR that can serve as a #1 WR to take the pressure off of the other WRs. We really do not have a true #1 and until then we are expecting more out of what we have now. If we made a move for Boldin by giving up a 3rd pick I believe that would help the development of our young WRs. Boldin can most likely produce for 3 or 4 years as a number 1 and allow us to pick up developmental WRs in the late rounds and the current WRs time to develop. The question is would we rather have Boldin or Turner (Last year’s 3rd round pick)?

I will use Garcon as an example.
He was drafted in 2008 in the 6th round. In his rookie season he was behind Harrison, Wayne, Gonzalez and even Collie. He was allowed to develop and contribute where he could. In 2009 Harrison left and Wayne stepped up to be the number 1 (which had 8 years to develop behind harrison). Gonzalez, Collie and Garcon got to move up and develop at the #2 and #3 receiver. Gonzalez went down and Garcon got his opportunity to shine. I really believe that an experienced WR can really help with the development of younger WRs.
I am most likely going to get bashed for saying this but who was Ginn’s CP10? Chambers was traded 6 weeks into Ginn’s rookie season and has not had a reliable seasoned WR around to help him. Even Calvin Johnson who was drafted 10 spots ahead of Ginn had Roy Williams and a few other serviceable WR ahead of him. This allowed him 1 season to develop without constant scrutiny. I am not in any way trying to compare Johnson and Ginn. Was Ginn really ever set up for success?

by Ralph In Michigan on Feb 10, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ted Ginn was never a great reciever

If you pick a receiver with a pick in the first 15. He should be a excellent reciever. Ginn wasnt in College. He was one of the great college kick returners in recent history but not a great receiver. He was already extremely soft. As we’ve seen these past years. For me, I havent always thought Ginn has never had the look of a very good receiver since he’s came here. Would Boldin help him? Maybe. But he’s lost so much confidence as well as the coaches. He wouldnt be any better than behind, Bess, Boldin and Hartline.That’s my take. He should be kept on as our kick returner thats for damn sure.

by Wallace758 on Feb 10, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This is unrealistic

He’s worth more than a 3rd to the Cards….and for good reason.

Lets no live in freakin la la land here…

2008 – 89 catches 1000 yards 1 TD

last year…in a year where most think he sucked and was hurt all year?

84 catches 1024 yards 4 TD.

and we wanna pay what we used on Patrick Turner?

Its gonna take what we paid for Pat White…and it would be WELL WORTH IT.

Even I…a FSU Alum….and huge Boldin fan….woldnt pay the 1st though…just too much.

Also we forget he isnt a head case…..like that younger version of terell owens over there…and also marshall and his team seem to be working things out.

seriously…WE HAVE TED GINN JR AT #1!!! and you scoff at paying a 2nd for Boldin? No super bowls are coming this way being cheap.

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by Rzayo24 on Feb 10, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

But somehow World Series go that way for cheap....

WTH????

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball is a girlie game is why... LOL! and jk...

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by Alpha6 on Feb 10, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Marshall and his team aren't working it out...

they are driving up his trade value….. playing the old…

Well, really don’t want to get rid of him…. but if you offer more than a 2nd, we’ll listen game.

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by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet even this is only a guess!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Its all guessing until something happens.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well sure!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW ur an insider!!!

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by Rzayo24 on Feb 10, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ronnie for Boldin...

… and draft Spiller!!!!!!!!

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by Alpha6 on Feb 10, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Even Better!!

Oh…….. the possibilities..!

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by Alpha6 on Feb 10, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure...I bet we get a lot for a 29 year old RB that is coming off his second season ending injury in three years - and everyone seems to agree we could be better without.

I’m 100% for bringing Ronnie back, but if the team did look to trade him…what can we really expect in return?

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a tough time for Ronnie and the Fins.

If we bring him back, we might as well admit to ourselves that we will never get any value for him in trade…… cuz this is the last year he has any value. Especially if he misses anytime in any game for any reason.

If we aren’t going to trade to upgrade or get younger with Brown now, we’re basically putting our backs against a wall. Sooner or later, trying to eek out another year with Brown is going to bite us big time.

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by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Why can't we bring back Brown and draft a RB at the same time?

I don’t understand this apparent either/or option. Draft a RB and keep Brown. We all know this is Ricky’s last year, so you need to get a new RB to replace him, at the least. If Cobbs or Hilliard are that guy, great, but I think it would be better to draft a young guy, give him a year to understand the system and play behind the top two, then put him in in 11 as the #2 behind Ronnie, or if he’s better than Ronnie by then, make him the #1 and Ronnie #2.

In the end, you either have to cut Hilliard or Cobbs though, in this plan.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying we can't.

I’m just saying that if we are ever expecting to any value out of him in a trade, it has to be this year.

Hilliard and Cobbs are both good 2nd backs, I can’t see either of them carrying this team to the level we are used to.

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by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft Spiller with the number 12 pick and he could be a change of pace back and responsible for the return duties.

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by kdock on Feb 10, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep and dangerous in the passing game as well.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we shoulda traded him during last offseason.

:cough:

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by joel311 on Feb 10, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like we should have done with Porter.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Trading Brown

I like Brown and think he is the best player on the team. But his window is closing, and its time to sell high. We can trade him to several teams that need RB help like San Diego, Philly, or even Detroit (not that I wish that on Brown).

by The Earl on Feb 10, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see him really helping a team like Philly.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Westbrook not coming back or something?

Why do people feel like Philly needs help at RB? Lesean McCoy was a beast when he started for the injured Westbrook. So, unless Westbrook is done, they have two stud RBs.

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by joel311 on Feb 10, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hes a different kind of back from Westbrook but yeah Westbrook looks like

the best player in the league some weeks.

I say Philly because the are rumored to want another top notch back to lessen some of the work that Westbrook gets to hopefully keep him from getting injured. I did not really watch McCoy play so I wont comment on him.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Too expensive for us...

Now we are opening up another hole that has to be filled. We can’t trade two LBs for a WR. We can’t lose Crowder. He’s our only true run stopper at the LB position.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Dansby

Pick up Dansby in F/A. PLUS -Batman aka(Joey Porter) goes nowhere without Robin aka(Channing Crowder)

by FinFanFromCA on Feb 10, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This!

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by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Good point. Make it happen!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We still need to draft a WR

Obtaining Boldin will be great not just for his ability, but the development of Henne as well. But even if we obtain Boldin, he’ll only give the Dolphins at best 3 more years of #1 WR ability. We need to draft a guy in the later rounds who can develop behind Boldin, like M. Williams, Mitchell, Brizcoe, etc.

by The Earl on Feb 10, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Just stop.....

Isn’t anyone else tired of drafting guys in the later rounds to “develop”.
We’ve been doing that for over a decade, with no results. Zero #1 WR’s.

Its time to find a young proven talent at the NFL level, overpay for him, and be set in that position for the next 5-10 years. All in all how many picks have we wasted chasing a #1 WR? That never pan out.

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by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

So, who's your answer?

What #1 can we draft right out of college and be assured that he will be great for 5-10 years?

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Who said he has to be drafted?

You know I feel BM is the answer, or VJack. both MAY be available. Even at a 1st and 3rd, I say its worth it. They are still very young (25), and have lots of tread on their tires… and they’ve proven themselves.

If you can get a prove player that is just coming out of their rookie contract, and shown the ability to produce at the highest level…..why not overpay a little? We’ve spent at least 5 draft picks on WR’s in recent years, and came away with nothing close to that talent. I’d pay the premium to be assured the player is of a top caliber…and still get them close to “draft age”

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by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But, when, as I pointed out in the TE's thread,

A team is looking to fill holes all over the place (i.e, TE, WR, ILB, OLB, S, NT…etc., etc), isn’t giving up two high draft picks for 1 WR dangerous?

This team isn’t one piece away from winning the title. If it were, you could make that kind of trade. Instead, we need to look at getting as many high picks as we can, so that when one busts, you still have others to replace him.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats the problem with picks....

they could both bust, or they could both be studs…you just don’t know.
With BM (who single handedly could redefine our offense and make everyone better) you know he’s a stud.

Or take away BM and make it VJack who might very well be gotten for the same price.
Sign a Defensive player like Dansby in FA, and use a 2nd and a 4th on Defense….if you find another Defensive gem in the 5th-7th great….

But:
     Dansby or other quality FA
     2nd round pick on Defense
     4th rounder (and lets face it the 4th round is about equal with the 3rd in talent) on defense…

Thats 3 quality Defensive additions…..especially in a draft that is VERY deep in Defensive talent. You can get good defensive players later in this draft.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And then your 2nd and 4th rounds:
they could both bust, or they could both be studs…you just don’t know.

Now what?

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Then you have a quality FA

and a new Defensive Coordinator that regularly turns bad defenses into good defenses without changing personnel…..

And the next draft you solidify your defense, since your offense is good to go.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes,

but there are also elite level missing pieces available in FA (Dansby and Wilfork) as well as other high level talent like Watson/Owens. I would not be incredibly angry if we brought in Brandon Marshall for a 1st and 3rd. We’d have one of those power offenses like the Colts where it doesn’t matter how bad our defense is. We’ll score every time we get the ball.

If we don’t trade the picks for BM, I wouldn’t mind a 2nd or 3rd for Q, and picking up McClain in the first. Hell, if we get Q and Dansby, we can pick up Spiller in the 1st. That might actually be my ideal situation.

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by joel311 on Feb 10, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you figure we are so far away?

If Boldin was in Ginn’s place against Indy and a good ref was in the bad ref’s spot against the Saints then we would be in the playoffs with wins over the two best teams in the league. Give this young roster experience and a few key moves and I think we are right there. I am not saying giving a 1 and a 3 for a WR, but I would definitely give up a 3 for Q.

by GoPhish13 on Feb 10, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we are that far away. I think we have a bunch of places to improve, but we are getting close.

But, if you look at all the threads around this place, every time a new FA or Trade idea thread comes up, everyone jumps on the bandwagon of “Oh, Yeah…do whatever we need to get that guy!”

Suddenly, from this blog, it looks like we have holes that need to filled at 10 of the 22 positions (leaving off special teams).

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 11, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Im with you. There are plenty of holes. Now its just a situation where we

need to decide what are the priority’s.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

But part of the problem is that we’ve drafted guys to develop without having legitimate starters. Ginn never should have been drafted 9th overall, but I think he would have benefitted from sitting the bench and learning behind a veteran guy. He was forced to come in, start, and be “the guy” his rookie year. I think there are some potential sleeper picks in this draft, but no one that can start right away. If you can get a guy like that in the 5th or 6th round, and let him develop behind a proven guy, then you can take that risk. I think we can get a stud WR in the 2011 draft moreso than this year. I say get Boldin, get a high 1st rounder next year and get Jones, Green, or Floyd.

by The Earl on Feb 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

On average, it takes an WR 2-3 years (closer to 3) to make the move from college to NFL

So, even if we drafted a guy this year, we shouldn’t expect him to come in and be a star. You have to develop an NFL WR – the game is too fast and too complex for most of the guys coming out of college.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

WRs drafted

01 R2 Chris Chambers
02 R5 Sam Simmons
03 R5 J.R. Tolver
06 R3 Derek Hagan
07 R1 Ted Ginn
09 R3 Patrick Turner
09 R4 Brian Hartline

by Ralph In Michigan on Feb 10, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I still say go after Dwayne Bowe

He is young 25 at the moment 6’2" 220lbs He had to really good seasons his first 2 years here in the NFL

As a rookie he ended the season with 70rec for 995yds and 5td’s
his 2nd year he ended up with 86rec for 1022yds and 7td’s

Why wouldnt we try to snag him? The chiefs were obviously looking into shopping him b4 he was suspended last season. He would be a quality receiver for years to come seeing how he is only 25 now. Cmon.. Id rather see if we could send a 3rd and a player to the chiefs for Bowe then take a chance on Q who is 30 years old already. Dont get me wrong.. I like Q but he is not the long term solution, so why use a 3rd on him and give him a big contract?

Send the chiefs a 2nd and Ginn or something like that for a receiver we can use for 5+ years and still only be the same age as Boildin afer putting in 5 years here.

Or send a 2nd for Marshall. I dont know why we would even look into Boldin at this point. Last year I was thinking we should.. but now I just do not see the fire with him. Plus he has only had 2 or 3 real good seasons and hes 30. Bowe and Marshall have both had 2 good seasons and their only 25 and 26.

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by MainePhinFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

2011 Draft

The 2011 draft looks like the WR draft. Guys like Julio Jones, A.J. Green, and Michael Floyd will be there. Those guys project to be #1 WRs in the pros. I would get Boldin as cheap as I could this year and focus on defense in this draft. In 2011, if those guys are available, I’d trade up to get one of them. I’m honestly not sold on this year’s receiving class.

by The Earl on Feb 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

I'd deal a third-round pick for Boldin

And to be honest, I don’t think he’s worth anything more than a 3. Arizona brought down their asking price for Boldin last off-season, and I think he’s officially reached third-round worth this off-season.

I don’t think Q is the long-term answer at wide receiver, but if nabbing him allows us to really focus on drilling the linebacker and nose tackle positions in this draft, I am all for bringing him aboard.

And if not, I’d use my third-round pick on Mike Williams.

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by kmb8488 on Feb 10, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

why get a guy

that is only good for a year or two?

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by Blaze453 on Feb 10, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

So that you have time to develop young players that may be a year or two away....

And so you can improve your QB who needs a target he can trust.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This^^^^^^^^

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah..

and where does this notion come from that a team has to be 100% manned by rookies and guys < 25?

Just watching the SB is yet another example of that with both teams having a mix of young players and veterans.

I mean why should the saints have signed Darren Sharper, a guy who was already 33…….. :-)

by Natalya on Feb 10, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Very well said!

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point!

Resign JT!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

so you must think this roster

is ready to truely challenege for a SB? I dont

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by Blaze453 on Feb 10, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think anyone does!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

At 8-8 after the '08 season, where the Saints ready to challenge for a Super Bowl in '09?

Weren’t the Dolphins 11-5 that same year and division winners? So now two years later, why shouldn’t the phins be challenging for the Super Bowl next year? A good draft, a couple of good FA signings, and a little bit of luck, there should be no reason why the Phins shouldn’t contend for the Super Bowl.

by ct1361 on Feb 10, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting...

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by Alpha6 on Feb 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Natalya's point is why are we saying no to Boldin because he is 30?

Don’t you need veterans along with young players?

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks Mosul...

where did this idea of having solely young players come from?

Shockey, Brees, Fujita, Sharper – none of these guys are young & yet they were acquired by NO in the last few years and have all been integral in their SB win.

I’m not saying get older, nor get younger – the point is adding quality within a reasonable plan that fits where the team is at.

And we keep coming back to the question of the trade: is Q worth a 3?

by Natalya on Feb 10, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No problem....

Hope I didn’t put words into your mouth

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Who on our roster is a year or 2 away

from being an elite #1 WR?

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe no one

But you draft a WR this year and start grooming….

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The last 2 decades of WR's drafted.....

Year Round Player
2009 3 Patrick Turner
2009 4 Brian Hartline
2007 1 Ted Ginn Jr.
2006 3 Derek Hagan
2006 7 Devin Aromashodu
2003 5 J.R. Tolver
2002 5 Sam Simmons
2001 2 Chris Chambers
1998 3 Larry Shannon
1997 1 Yatil Green
1997 6 Brian Manning
1996 7 Brice Hunter
1995 7 Shannon Myers
1993 1 O.J. McDuffie
1992 11 Lee Miles
1991 1 Randal Hill
1991 9 Scott Miller
1990 8 Thomas Woods

That whole development thing, isn’t working out. Hell, one could argue this is why we’ve had QB problems since Mr. Marino left.

I’d give up everyone of these picks for a proven 25 year old Elite talent.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao, Randall "Thrill" Hill, DEA...

(or some kind of cop)

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by Alpha6 on Feb 10, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not the problem since we had Marino....

Because here are the WR’s we drafted from 1989 back to 1982 (giving you the year before Marino was drafted as well):

1989 10 Deval Glover
1987 2 Scott Schwedes
1986 4 James Pruitt
1984 6 George Shorthose (Which may be the funniest last name ever…)
1984 * Danny Knight (* = Supplmental USFL Draft)
1984 ** Duan Hanks
1983 8 Mark Clayton
1983 12 Anthony Carter
1982 2 Mark Duper
1982 12 Mike Rodriguez

Obviously, we weren’t doing so hot on WR drafts then either….

Look, I want to get a FA/Trade WR too, but a 1 and a 3 for Marshall is nuts. Too many needs for us to fill 1 hole with 2 picks.

Plus, you have that Marshall fills the hole for the next decade. Do you really see Marshall playing WR for us until he is 36, if at 30 Boldin is too old?

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops - Knights second asterik made his name and the ( go bold....

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And before someone tries to shoot me...

I do know the Marks Brothers are sitting there….

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't this the beginning of year 3 of the great "rebuilding" plan?

Shouldn’t we be expecting playoffs in ‘10 and super bowl in ’11? Isn’t that the plan? If it is, doesn’t Q help us get to the playoffs next year and the super bowl the following? That’s the great “rebuilding” plan that almost everyone on this site seems to think is happening. If that is the case, a 3rd round pick for the best WR on your roster (hands down the best WR on the roster) is a no brainer.

Now if you believe that rebuilding in the NFL is a load of crap, like I do, I still trade a 3rd round pick for Q in a heartbeat. The vast majority of 3rd round draft picks last in the league fewer than 3 yrs. To get a starting, high quality, WR for a 3rd round pick is a no brainer. Especially when the phins wasted the same round pick on Patrick Turner (who won’t be in the league in 2 yrs) at the same position.

by ct1361 on Feb 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Draft picks vs veteran production

My original thought on the Boldin to Miami discussion is that it would have taken a 2nd rounder to start a serious discussion between the clubs. If, as I have stated in the past Boldin expresses a interest in being a Dolphin this becomes leverage for the Dolphin in a negoitiation with Boldin’s agent Tom Condon.

The Dophin have a bunch of [respectfully] #3 and #4’s base on NFL production. A second or third is very reasonable given the production the guy you’d be aquiring brings to the Wr corps———instant up-grade. The hindrance to these kinds of trades can be the high draft choice compensation along with the salary demands of said player. One aspect of the trade scenario is less of a headache if the player wants to be were he’s traded and thus said player may leave a few dollars on the table to help address other team needs moving forward.

A pick for Boldin in the second or third round vs. unproven talent [draft choice] is a no brainer. The AFC East could be had with a Boldin in tow next season. Without Boldin?

by Cardsfan81 on Feb 10, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd trade a third for Boldin

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by Patssuck456 on Feb 10, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

What will the team go for..... really?

Karlos Dansby, or Anquan Boldin? Whether giving up picks or trading a player?

Can the team get both?

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by Alpha6 on Feb 10, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

Dansby is a FA...unless he gets tagged.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And I still see no way Dansby is tagged at almost 14 mil a year.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't either...

They’ll make an offer, but I think he walks away from AZ.

Unless they try to play the franchise him and trade him game, but that could be dangerous.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the tag and trade option would be too big a risk. Hell If I was Dasby and they

were stupid enough to offer the required franchise money I would take it seeing as there may be a work stoppage in 2011.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha good point.

I really hope there is no work stoppage in 2011. That would suck so bad.

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by joel311 on Feb 10, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too. I cant tell you how much no football would suck!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Cowherd on the radio yesterday was talking about the work stoppage

He pointed out that the league and union will use the uncapped year as motivation to not screw up the cash cow they have. He also said, the league that is 100% headed for a work stoppage is the NBA. Interesting take.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Feb 10, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh! Well if I have to choose I would rather see it happen to the NBA

but the league thats a mess and really out of whack is MLB.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

But if you looking for a run stuffing, blow-up at the point of attack LB Dansby is not your guy. Strictly a coverage guy. Dansby will not be tagged by the Cardinlas and this suits him just fine as he wants to break the bank.

by Cardsfan81 on Feb 10, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Can he cover a damn TE?

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If yes, sign the man!!!!!!!!

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by Neo on Feb 10, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

On who that TE is. The elite level TE’s, the joker’s, movable chess piece’s that flex or invert (are athletic enough to play out wide) the Ben Watson’s or Antonio Gates of the world, the answer is no. A run of the mill TE that has limited vertical ability yes. Dansby is best used in space as a zone defender and not in man to man coverage.

His dollar demands do not match his on the field production. The big play consistency from week to week is not there when you watch the guy play. Someone’s going to overpay. Don’t know who but you know what they say about fool’s and money

by Cardsfan81 on Feb 10, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the league is full of both!

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by texascowpunk on Feb 10, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You do have a point

And that’s the problem. Some guy’s are lucky and get franchised at the right time and it inflates there value while others are underpiad [base on production]. How many Pro Bowl and All-Pro honors has Dansby garnered --zero. Marinate on this for a second…….. if you’re paying a guy 20 million in gauranteed money which is what Dansby will be looking for…….you want instant, highlight reel impact from week to week and not every third week.

by Cardsfan81 on Feb 10, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

In what universe is Ben Watson on the same level as Antonio Gates?

I know that Watson is a very athletic TE, but he didn’t even start every game with NE last year. If I am missing something let me know so I can get on the “SIGN BEN WATSON” bandwagon.

by GoPhish13 on Feb 10, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing....

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you taking a shot at me Train (lol)

Watson is not at the level of Gates in terms of production. I simply used Watson because Dolphin fans see him in the division and while Watson does not have the stats of Gates he does posses the talent to be moved around the formation and be effective [Watson is under used]. I was simply painting a picture of the types Dansby would have trouble covering one on one.

by Cardsfan81 on Feb 10, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not sure Dolphins fans worry about Watson....ever.

He’s become a blocking TE, and very rarely does he get looks….
I think even our secondary could cover him lol

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL But can our linebacker cover him? I dont know if they could cover me.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

After watching Dolphin LB’s this past season none of them can cover themselves with a blanket.

by Cardsfan81 on Feb 11, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

we nd 1 dominant receiver to draft in the early part of draft and then focus on defense we gve up way to many points, maybe later on in draft we pick up one or two more offensive players !

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by fins4life7664 on Feb 10, 2010 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

TRADE OUR 12th PICK FOR BRANDON MARSHALL AND PICK UP KARLOS DANSBY IN FREE AGENCY!!!!!

idk why ppl care about our 12th pick, trade it to denver pick up marshall and in the free agency jump on the linebacker from arizona karlos dansby……the dolphins have to attack this free agency stop making stupid mistakes in waiting for players to progress..get players in their EFFIN PRIME

and dnt gimme the whole “brandon marshalls a diva blah blah” because he is our soulution to getting a number 1 reciever so dont gimme that crap

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by Los Dolphins305 on Feb 10, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

agree....

of course I’d put it more eloquently, but agree.

If this post contains no substance, just assume that my answer is Brandon Marshall. Pay the 1st and 3rd, get the proven guy, and don't worry about that position for the next decade.

by Fr8Train on Feb 10, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Except do you seriously think

that Denver will give Marshall for only the #12 pick? If that was the case I would be willing to do it, but they are going to want more for him than just a 1st round pick, probably a 3rd round in addition, which to me is too much to give up for him.

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by Chupathingy on Feb 11, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

x2

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by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

why not

Okay,you say no to aq,say yes to bm or vj,we can trade down,still take spikes,use the extra pick to trade for boldin,and still have beavis and buttkiss “porter and crowder” to work a trade for say an extra third. Or even trade ronnie for a low first,high second,there are multiple ways for us to aquire picks,as there are multiple ways for us to aquire a top notch reciever,it just so happens,that two out of four would cost way too much. A second for boldin would be easier to recoup than a first and third,then let hartline study with boldin work with him,and learn how to be more aggresive in the nfl level,he gets hurt okay,by the time he goes down we have 1000 yrds and a few tds and hes well worth the asking price,put turner the slow learner in the mix as well,and why not have an example for these younger guys to learn from. Offer a second,and watch our offensive production triple next year

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