Nearly three years later, Miami Dolphins still have many holes to fill
by Matty I on Dec 7, 2010 5:00 AM EST
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PrintIt's been nearly three years since Greg Camarillo's 64 yard catch and run against the Ravens prevented the Dolphins from becoming the first team in NFL history to go 0-16. But three full offseasons later, the Dolphins are now facing a December of meaningless football and quite possibly as many questions as they faced following the '07 season.
Let's discuss some of these questions that need answering and some of the voids that this football team needs to fill.
General Manager and Coaching Staff
Let me start this off by openly declaring that I hope head coach Tony Sparano returns. You can criticize his use of poor usage of timeouts and question his decisions along the interior offensive line all you want. After all, he was supposed to be an offensive line guru. But that unit clearly regressed this year thanks to personnel decisions that I'm sure he had a hand in.
With that said, the one thing you can't deny is that Sparano's players like playing for him. He does a great job of getting maximum effort out of his players. He controls the locker room. And I'm just not ready to blame Tony for this team's disappointing season.
There are three people I do want to put the blame on - other than the players, of course - and one of them is no longer part of the organization. Yes, I'm referring to Bill Parcells - who cowardly jumped ship before it really sank. I guess his suddenly "reduced role" should have been a clue that things weren't going as well as we all hoped heading into the season. But the way he's been able to avoid any of the blame for the mess that this team is in baffles me.
There's a reason why a Parcells team has not won a playoff game in over a decade. Now we know why - he's clearly not the personnel genius that people want to make him out to be, or that he once was.
That brings me to general manager Jeff Ireland and offensive coordinator Dan Henning. I'm not even going to waste time on Henning. We all know he needs to go. He may not be the entire problem - but he's certainly part of the problem. Whether Henning is fired or he retires, he's most likely gone after the season.
Ireland, though, is who I'm torn on. Owner Stephen Ross is going to have to decide if he wants to give Ireland one more offseason to turn things around - now without having to answer to Parcells. If Ireland gets one more year, that would be fine with me. If he doesn't, I'd be fine with that as well.
Of course, if Ireland was to go, would that mean Sparano would go as well?
Quarterback
This is obviously where it all starts this offseason. Tony Sparano said on Monday that there's going to be some decisions to make following the season regarding the future of Chad Henne and the quarterback situation in Miami:
"At the end of the year we’ll have to sit down from our standpoint and re-evaluate the whole big pictur. I do think this guy is getting better, (but) we’re going to have to evaluate everything at the end of the year."
That is what I call a warning shot. Henne is now on notice. He has four more games to make a case to remain the starting quarterback of this team. But even four strong showings probably won't help Henne avoid at least some kind of competition next year for the starting job.
The question now is really who Henne will be competing with. Will it be a rookie whom the Dolphins will spend a high draft pick on? Will it be a veteran they acquire in some way?
I'm very much ready to move on from Henne if those making the decisions feel that it is also time. But there has to be a suitable replacement. No retreads. No band-aids. No aging veterans.
With that said, would the current regime - meaning Ireland and Sparano - be willing to take a chance developing another young quarterback? Would they even still be around to see through the quarterback's development? I'm not sure this current regime would survive the cultivating of another rookie quarterback - which makes me wonder if starting over from scratch from the GM on down might actually be the best idea.
As you can tell, I'm not really sure anything regarding the general manager, coaching staff (outside if Mike Nolan, whom the Dolphins are lucky to have), and quarterback. Luckily, I don't get paid to make those decisions. And I don't envy those that do.
Here's what I am sure of, though. I'm sure that the Dolphins need serious upgrades at the following positions:
Running Back - The Dolphins have some decisions to make as all of their running backs are free agents after the season. I'd expect one of the big two - Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams - to be back. But this team needs a speedy running back who can be a game-breaker because none of Miami's current backs are.
Guard and Center - The Dolphins can't run the football and you can't just blame the running backs for the team's 3.8 yard-per-carry average. Joe Berger is a below-average starting center who is a bad run blocker. And all of the team's guards have serious weaknesses. A healthy Nate Garner will be a plus next year. But if the Dolphins don't improve the team's interior blocking, their running game will be doomed again.
Tight End - I like Anthony Fasano. But the Dolphins need a legitimate second tight end - one who can threaten the seam of the defense like David Martin once did in Miami.
Outside Linebacker - Cameron Wake is a monster and is probably the team's MVP. But the Dolphins get no pressure from the other outside linebacker spot. Koa Misi has a great motor but has shown little in the pass rush. And Ike Alama-Francis is nothing more than a guy who can set the edge. A legitimate strong side linebacker would really take this top ten defense to another level.
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I want Tony back
and Henne back with a new OC. Bring in another QB to compete with Henne but keep Henne to see if he can learn. I hate giving up on a player that quick. We’ve all seen how many QBs take some time to develop before becoming the elite QBs that they are. For the rest of the year I just want a win at the Jests to hopefully play spoiler to any playoff run.
by Maguss on Dec 7, 2010 5:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I can go with that....
Even if we get a rookie I think we can expect to start off with Henne at the beginning of next season anyways. We do I think need one running back….. I think this is of high priority and should be a first round pickup (thinking say bye to Ricky and keep Ronnie for a couple more years and work him as a Number 2 back). Unfortunately I do not see any QB’s coming in the draft that is worth while and none of them I think are going to be ready to jump in and start right away. Time will tell, but I have to say that I’m losing confidence in are coaching staff more than I am losing confidence in Henne. That is my honest opinion.
I know it will hurt our draft stock
but I want a win at NE & NY. I won’t be able to deal with NY fans all offseason if they make the playoffs while beating us twice this year.
by Agent J 78 on Dec 7, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
playing spoiler to a play off run is supporting our own run...
Baltimore and Jets have a good lead on the play offs. 3rd place is tied up between several teams at 6-6. We have to pass the Jets though to make it through the multi teamed tie breaker in the event that the Ravens collapse. If the Jets collapse all we have to do is keep playing like we want it.
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No way, coach is responsible period. No more chances, enough is enough. Quarterback carousel has to end. Just because he is from Mich doesnt mean squat. Coaches FIRED, Quarterback FIRED,
DRAFT – OUTSIDE LINEBACKES, NOSE TACKLE, SAFETY
FREE AGENT – QB, WIDE RECIEVER
TRADE – BROWN FOR LINEMEN (2)
OH and by the way IRELAND, YOU ARE FIREDDDDDDDDDDD…..
where are we finding a FA QB??
take out all the things under draft, insert QB, and go from there.
and nobody is trading for Brown, because a) he’s not that good, and b) he’s a free agen.t
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
Your both delusional
Matty wants to keep Sparano. Maguss wants to keep Henne. We need an overhaul! We have some good young players, now is the time for change. Bring in Carl Peterson who is Ross’ buddy. MR Ross throw a $5 million/year offer at Cowher!You wasted $20 million on Parcells. lets get him while he is still available! Dont even wait for the season to end, send you G4 to his house and kidnap the CHIN! Tuna bailed on us, so kick his protege’s out on their butt! We are no better this year then we were the last! Their best year was their first year with the Fins! We are regressing!
since peterson did such a wonderful job in KC all those years... have to disagree with that one.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
LOL Where did that 6 come from?
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by texascowpunk on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
what??
Bring in Carl Peterson who is Ross’ buddy
NOOOO
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
LOL No shit!
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No passion or drive...
The fins don’t play with any passion or drive — For me, that starts & ends with the HC & QB. Statements like “It’s not life and death” made by the “leader” of your football team don’t go over well with me. Having said all that, I’m torn. I really don’t have it in me for another rebuilding process. OC HAS to go, this much I’m certain of. He simply doesn’t have the right personnel to execute the plays he’s stubbornly calling. It’s also extremely conservative and this play not to lose mentality does not lead to much margin for error — When was the last time this team blew out an opponent or went for the jugular when they had a team on the ropes, which we all saw on MNF? Instead, the philosophy is to play “tough, smart, disciplined football” w/out the personnel that allows for that style of play to be successful — at least with any sort of consistency. You don’t have a smart leader like a Simms back there — You have a confidence stricken QB who may/may not have what it takes but don’t think he’s been put in a position to succeed, particularly given the stubborn use of the wild cat, leaving 3rd and long. Or other head scratching calls like running a sweep on 1st down with a little over a minute to go in the game? Or how about the continual mis-management of time, or getting caught with too many men on the field? I could go on and on…
The life and death quote he keeps using, is pissing me off too and I am and have been on the Henne bandwagon for a long time.
As a leader you can’t say shit like that. Others on the team hear that and they start second guessing you as well. This was the first week for me where I was ready to take that leap off the wagon, but deep down I know that most great QB’s don’t break out til at least there third year. This team needs to get him a running game going and like it has been said, stop putting him in situations where your setting him up for failure. The one throw to Hartline was inexcusable, but did you see how far he’s come with the touch pass this season he threw multiple screen passes that were perfect. New OC and center running back and then judge Henne. I believe you put Henne on the Jets and he’s a top 10 QB. As much as I hate them, they went out and bought everything they needed for they’re QB to be successfull. Not to mention let go of the reigns. Sorry for the endless rant, but this team needs a new OC from the new school age of football. Times have change and so should the Dolphins.
by D0lphins4Life on Dec 7, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fins have passion
unfortunately, it’s just for field goals. During the pats-jets game last night, the pats went for it on 4th and 3. They were in field goal range and up on the jets. If that was the Dolphins, they would have taken the FG and called it a drive. We do not, and will not, take chances.
Also, the pats do not let opponents back in the game. They keep the pedal to the metal. The fins get a lead and just try to run out the clock. The offense doesn’t try to run up the score IMO, which in turn keeps our defense on the field more than they should. They tire and opens up the offense for the opponent.
The second part of what you said...
… is what I’ve always admired about the Patriots, even if I do find myself opposing them as a fan.
You can say what you want about Bill Belichick, but I admire that they keep trying to score points from start to finish. There have been a few times where it seems excessive*, but more often than not I feel like it’s the 3rd quarter and just because they’re up doesn’t mean they just run the ball and burn clock. It really drives me crazy that the Dolphins will go up by a field goal and then get real conservative as if they can have a 10-minute drive at will. They can’t, and ultimately what happens is they give the opposing team chances to hang around and make something happen at the end. We almost saw it happen in the Cincinnati game.
- Just for clarification, last night’s game wasn’t one of them. The Jets had been running their mouths since that first game, so the Patriots imposed their will and sent a message. I think we often forget that: a good portion of the times the Patriots have “run up the score”, its been against a team that has at some point verbalized something resembling a challenge. In that case, if you can go out and smash them, I say do it.
I tottaly agree
Fire the OC!
And let’s build a running game. However, I don’t like rookie running backs (look at moreno and mathews)
I say let’s try to get 1 of the Carolina backs (Steward is a beast!), waive Ronnie, and stack up on O line talent in the draft. That way we have a great passing game, and a great running game. We could also look for extra help at outside linebacker in the draft. Then our D we’ll be even better next year…oh and Odrick is coming back aswell!!!
This is just so depressing. Even Matty's got CLS now.
Oh for the love of God, Henne isn’t the answer! And we know this because all QBs prove how great or bad they are in their first 25 starts. Just ask Dan Fouts, John Elway, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Troy Aikman, and Eli Manning. Each of those QBs had similar if not worse starts to their careers. Peyton Manning didn’t become the QB he is (or was after his last couple of starts) until his 6th year in the league. People need to get it in their heads that players like Dan Marino are the exception and not the rule for evaluating the QB position.
It’s all Parcells fault!! Cause we all saw him on the sidelines calling plays, and on the practice field running drills. Sure he hired Dan Henning, but very few people were complaining in 2008 when he was calling the same plays. He was hired based on the core Parcells had to work with (great running game, limited passing attack). I don’t believe Parcells was ready to leave the Dolphins yet. But instead of having an in-house feud with the owner, he decided to step down and hand the reigns to Ireland.
Other than that, I agree with all the other areas that you feel need to be addressed, although I think Incognito will be fine at LG.
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Let me play devil's advocate.
How long do we need to give Henne before finding his replacement? What if he isn’t the answer. Do we waste another full season before putting this issue to bed and finding his replacement?
At this point, I’m all for drafting a rookie (I’m talking a first rounder; maybe even a guy we need to trade up for) and then letting Henne and the rookie battle to start next year. If Henne is the guy, he’ll prove it by winning the competition and never looking back.
Ireland sucks at drafting QB's
at least in the second rd. Henne+White= CACA!
2nd round QB's almost ALWAYS suck
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
4 games...
I think you give the guy the remainder of the season to see if he can learn from his mistakes, but I’m skeptical. He just doesn’t have “it”.
I think you give him another full season.
Look at Sanchez. That guy sucked last year, but they kept him in. He’s had some horrible games this year, and he’s had some awesome games this year.
The Jets don’t seem to be even thinking about getting rid of Sanchez. I think you give Henne another year with a new OC, as well as draft a very fast receiver to take a little pressure off Brandon. Also keep Tony. Let’s see what they can do with another year.
Dolphins and Gators baby!
They kept him and he got better...
We stayed with Henne after being thrown in unexpectedly and having a so-so year. I think it’s fair to expect more out of him not that he has a full year working with the first team, and after they went out and got Brandon Marshall as a weapon.
While it’s true QBs take a while to learn the role (not always the case ie. Matt Ryan and Joe Flaco… and I guess Sanchez… sorta) I don’t know if learning is the issue here. Learning means the playbook, reading defenses, and getting down your audibles. Your supposed to be able to hit wide open recievers with your talent and skill in the NFL. Take the Cleveland game for example. Hartline was WIDE open. More open then you normally get in ther NFL in factand Henne missed him. He wasn’t fooled by a sneaky defense. He wasn’t tricked by Revis and it wasn’t a bad call from the OC. Henne missed him BAD. BAD BAD. I know throwing a football downfield isn’t the easiest thing in the world… but when you are getting paid to start in the NFL…. you make that throw. It wasnt even a hard one. That is just one example at that.
Let’s get a QB, but keep the coach. Not the OC though…. he has gotta go.
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But this is Sanchez's second year
And its Henne’s third.
I understand that Henne sat on the bench for most of his rookie year, but so what? It’s pretty much the same system then as it is now, so that should have been a year of education.
I don’t advocate throwing in the towel on him completely. I want him back next year. But I think we need to invest in another quarterback early in the draft, if not through free agency, as a fall back plan. If we don’t and Henne doesn’t improve, we’ve set ourselves back another season. If Henne comes out in the off-season and performs, gets a shot, and plays well, they aren’t going to bench a good young player for a sightly younger player just because he was drafted higher.
he's got four games to prove it matty
i’ve always stuck up for him but i haven’t seen consistency or improvement but still see uncomfortable panic on game days. That underthrow in Cleveland is the one that made me shake my head and think this is a throw that you need to make in the NFL.
Four games remain where Henne needs to show the 3 C’s: confidence, comfort and consistency. This is what will be the difference between him taking start next year and him riding the bench/on another team.
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by BSerious72 on Dec 7, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This same question can be asked about TOnay Sparano
Do we waste another full season before putting this issue to bed and finding his replacement?
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by Neo on Dec 7, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Matty, you're advocating starting us down the same slippery slope we've already been down before.
To answer your point of how long do we give him. I would hope longer than 28 starts. I think the threshold for determining whether a QB will be good or not is 4 years starting.
So let’s go with your example. We trade up, hindering our draft class even more, to get a good first round QB prospect. Henne comes into training camp and plays lights out and becomes what some of us still believe he’s capable of becoming, a very good QB. Now we have a first round draft pick wasting away on the bench, that could have been used to shore up the interior of our line or our depleted RB corp.
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So I stopped thinking.
I want Sparano to stay...unlees Gruden or Cowher really wants to coach for us.
We can get Deangelo Williams in FA…hopefully, Mankins too.
As for the QB situation, I must be nuts to say this, but I’m willing to give Brandstater a go at it. I would love to trade up and get Luck.
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Im not sure what i would do.. I really like Tony and Jeff for the most part.
I say keep them around for one more season with Henne at the helm, do NOT bring in a vet QB or draft one unless he is a top ten talent. Everyone knows the Bills are drafting Luck so we are screwed. its funny how all off season we cant wait for the start of the season, we tend to forget how the seasons here in MIA have gone for the past 30years
Did Bill really say that $hit about Henne? Who knows ? Who cares?
LETS GO FINS!
I agree with you 100 percent Matty
…but I think you’re being a little lenient on Sparano. Though I want Sparano back next year too.
Here is what I want to know….does the Dolphins FO HATE football players?
Jason Taylor – franchise guy who was ignored and unceremoniously swept aside, and needlessly so too.
Dez Bryant – In what has to be labelled as a dumbassed move, is asked whether his mother is a prostitute by Ireland in an effort to gauge his character.
Matt Roth – After a successful season on the team, is suddenly less than thrilled to be here, publicly labelled a liar and drummed off the team.
Smiley and Grove – After a solid season, where they admittedly missed time due to injury, they were both rather rudely shown the door in the off-season. PUBLICLY so, Meanwhile, both were a big part of the teams successes the last year and are probably considered upgrades to the guys they were replaced by.
(Is it me, or does this team quietly like to kick players in the ass when they dump them?)
Clark (Steelers) – Leveraged Miami in the off season to try to improve his contract offer from the Steelers. He came to Miami, then left a day early and signed his original contract offer from the Steelers, and literally bad mouthed Miami as he did so. WHY would he bother with the badmouthing at all unless something happened to really insult him? In fact. Miami publicly stated that they made him an offer, and had Clark stuck around the next day, they would have improved on it……here’s a question….Why are we lowballing and insulting guys when we could simply make day two’s offer on day one?
Free agency in general has been hit or miss with Miami. How many bad choices have been made? G Wilson comes to mind. In fact, you can argue that Brandon Marshall is a bust free agency signing at this point as well. He hasnt improved Henne at all and his numbers are down…when he isnt injured or creating penalties.
Traded Ginn away. That was stupid. He was a deep threat, a field stretcher, a great compliment to Marshall who probably would have caught more balls with the pressure off of him, and a great returner who we havent been able to replace.
Hindsight probably saves Miami on taking a pass on Randy Moss when he was waived earlier this year, but I still don’t. This regime simply refuses to take bold chances to improve its team.
Henne? NOT HIS FAULT. Lets be honest – Henne never EARNED the starting QB spot to begin with. He was drafted and he was immediately annointed as the “QB of the future.”
He didnt compete for the starter job, it was simply his to walk into once Pennington went down. What Henne needed most was time on the bench, and then to have to fight for the job and earn it. Now today, as he makes his mistakes and tries to improve in spite of being rushed into service, and play calling that doesnt suit his style, much less playcalling that shoots him in the foot, and a shaky O-Line, AND receivers that drop the ball, he’s looking at having his career derailed simply to placate the fans.
Bad news here guys: The Front Office ain’t all that. They’re a holier-than-thou bunch who draft solid but not spectacular and make bad choices in free agency AND treat players like shit for no reason whatsoever….and our supposed best evaluator of talent may have bolted like a coward before the season started.
I’d like Sparano to continue. (I’d like him to improve as well, I think he has earned that much) But I think Ireland is NOT that good. Sadly, i’m thinking that Tony needs Ireland in place in order to remain himself.
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This ^^
finds me in a lot of agreement, especially because it points to what are, IMHO, the two major mistakes of this FO: 1-dumping all inner O-line from last year and 2- the OLB situations (Matt Roth, Jason Taylor). At a closer look:
1- OC: they had one valid Center (Grove) but he was a bit injury prone, how do you cover for that? with a valid back up, right? Well, it turns out they had one (Berger) since they thought he could be a starter, and what do they do? they dump the starter and they go from having one valid, though injury prone, starter PLUS a valid backup to a career backup starting and who exactely at backup? for as much as I look, I see only a downgrade.
2- OG: ok, they wanted to improve. I can see trading Smiley and picking up Incognito (nets a draft pick, btw), I can also see drafting John Jerry and picking up cory Procter. But what was the need to dump donald thomas if his replacement becomes Pat Who? mcQuistan?
3- the M.Roth situation baffles me completely: they make a solid run defender of him, he’s 2nd on the team in sacks and … they dump him?
4- JT … who would you have now? Wake, Misi, IAF & Moses or Wake, JT, Misi and IAF? I mean, it comes down to JT/Moses …. dumbfolds me …
I mean, the OC-OG situation could also explain Henne’s regression this year, when the running game goes it’s easier to for a QB to perform (see: Sanchez, Mark) and the OL situation this year destroyed the run game.
That said I still would like to see Tony and henne to return for another season provided two things:
- the interior O-line is fixed
- a veteran FA QB is brought along in case henne falters again.
Bye for now.
by toscana jones on Dec 7, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
yea i agree with mikem1224
except about the ginn thing..he doesnt even play for the 49ers and they ONLY have crabtree. ginn was definitely a mistake..
Looks like it's time for a little "Chazzle Dazzle"
Is it really this bad?
We have the same record as the Colts. Our losses are to Patriots, Jets, Steelers (unfair), Ravens, Bears and Browns. With the exception of Browns, thats likely 5 playoff teams.
Considering how bad Henning is, our OL is, and some of the more frustrating things (Henne consistency, Marshall effort, ILB play outside Dansby…etc), i really don’t think this is a complete disaster as some people point out. We don’t have to re-build everything.
But we have to have a good plan. I am most interested on how they fix OL, and who becomes our new OC. If these are not fixed, or Henning stays, then we are doing nothing.
If we have a shot at a real good QB, then ok, otherwise, if we fix the above two, we can be better next year.
Not everything is fixed by complete replacement.
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by MoLimits on Dec 7, 2010 7:38 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
agreed, for people who really understand football this is a no brainer.
The whole ship isn’t sinking here. There are some parts which need upgrades, but you just don’t “start over”, unless you are 1-15. If you would of told me last year that we would have the same record as the colts with the so-called best QB of the 2000’s, I would have been happy. You don’t see their fans calling for people’s head.
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because they are always good
injuries are killing them this year. If you would’ve told me the Colts were gonna be 6-6, then told me we would have the same record, I’d be pissed.
and for people who REALLY understand football, we know that drafting a new QB isn’t “starting over,” but it has to be done. We will not be a good team until we have a good QB.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
All we need is a new philosophy of scoring points early and often and never letting up until the final gun to go with a renovated intrerior O-line and 2 solid running backs and we will be contending. You don’t jump off the ship because it sprung a small leak. You simply fix the leak.
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There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Dec 7, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Philadelphia
I think the answer to our qb situation lies in Philadelphia. Can Philadelphia afford to keep Vick and Kolb? Even if Vick is franchised, am I the only one who would gladly give Philadelphia 2 first round picks for him? If Vick is signed to a long term deal in Philadelphia, wouldn’t Kolb be available for the right price?
No
I wouldn’t give 2 first RDs for Vick. As great as he is, thats too costly. If he was 25 i would, but not at his age today.
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What's your answer to our QB situation?
If not Vick or Kolb, then who? Do you really want to watch another attempt at developing a qb? I’d rather give up the 2 first rounders, take Vick in his prime, playing the best football of his life and give it a whirl.
Kolb shouldnt even be mentioned
With that said, Give Sparano and Henne a chance!
by ricenbeans82 on Dec 7, 2010 7:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Vick is signed.......
If Vick is signed by Philadelphia, Kolb becomes the best available FA as far as I know…….someone correct me if I’m wrong. Limited body of work to judge Kolb on, so it’s tough to say what his value would be.
It's not worth what Philly is asking...
Especially for the limited amount of work he’s had…
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not to mention...
a much better all round offensive team in the nfl. I think if you plugged Henne in their offense you would see Henne playing exceptionally well. Its the system…. a system we do not have.
I completely disagree about it being the system.
Vick is a stellar passer. Everybody said it was “the system” with Cassel and now he’s blowing up in Kansas City. Tons of people thought QB was the problem in Chicago (I thought it was O-line all along), but Cutler struggled badly his first year there while Orton has flourished in Denver. This blame the system crap is bull.
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But system is a factor
Cutler struggled last year , doing great this year. Compare McNabb Philly vs Washington…etc
It’s a team sport
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Excellent points. Why so many don't see it is beyond me.
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by TheFinReaper on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Cassel is a system guy....
reason is….. KC has Charlie Weis (former Patriots OC) and Scot Piolli (former Patriots GM). Both of which know the system at the Patriots. Not to mention that some of the older patriots are on the KC team and its only this year that Cassel has been doing well. Even earlier this year he wasn’t doing all that great. So, yes, it is the system.
Umm....
Everybody said it was "the system" with Cassel and now he’s blowing up in Kansas City.
He has a new system this season from last. He had Chan Gailey for an OC in 2009 and has Charlie Weis this year. The blame the system crap isn’t bull.
Tons of people thought QB was the problem in Chicago (I thought it was O-line all along), but Cutler struggled badly his first year there while Orton has flourished in Denver. This blame the system crap is bullSo Orton has flourished in a better system? Cutler played better in Denver than in Chicago? Doesn’t this invalidate your point? I guess technically it’s not the system but the team around the QB within that system with those two.
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by TheFinReaper on Dec 7, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, Weis is the one that installed
the system in NE that they still use and got McDaniels a HC job.
Yeah, lets takes Kolb. Kolb is a backup that delivered when called upon by the Eagles when McNabb got hurt. Remind you of anybody (A. J. Feely Cough, Cough)?
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by TheFinReaper on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
thank you
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Well said Matty
We gotta bring someone to compete with Henne. Someone fresh, not an aging FA. But a high 1st round pick will cost us a lot, not sure how the FO will pull it out. I hope Henne is the one, but we gotta think about a plan B.
I also agree with Sparano staying for another season. The guy is pushing all the right buttons, but the buttons are just not good enough. I don’t think we have an excellent roster that is disappointing, no. Sure, we have a few excellent players (Wake, Dansby, Long, maybe Marshall), but we have just an average roster that is having, well, an average performance.
It’s not like Sparano is ruining it all, really. Blame it on the FO – Parcells, Ireland, whatever – for not giving us a great roster for the third year in a row. For giving us guys like Pat White, Ginn and Allen (well, for letting them stay for that long), Turner, Wilson, etc. And specially for not giving us a final answer at QB.
I agree with Matty for the most part....
our free agents haven’t been that bad though…It’s not like we payed 100 million bucks for Albert Haynesworth..
We have a great core of players and we just need all the compliments to go with it, plus a franchise QB and bad ass Tight End..
Our defense is playing great, despite any real game changing plays (ints. etc.) and we have an all pro in Cam Wake, good safeties, good corners and a front line that will only get better when guys get healthy
WOW what a GREAT article Matty I
This is as good or better a piece about the Phins and their current problems as I have ever seen, anywhere. GREAT JOB! Thanks. I think draft a young QB is something we have to do, too bad we didn’t have the stones to do it last year!
Excellent points. HOWEVER
1. If you read Henne’s combine review it was right on. OK in the pocket, not really mobile, tends to miss wide open receivers and overthrows under pressure. Add that he locks on to receivers and the game is TOO FAST for him and well, What you see is what you get! I would like to add that Henne also had a tremendous cast of players around him at Michigan who covered up for his poor traits. I believe Henne now has the worst QB rating in the AFC!! Bottom line, he sucks, he is not a leader and he is not the QB of the future.
2. As far as Sporano is concerned, he dresses the part! He jumps up and down a lot. But any coach who believes Field Goals are the answer is not going far! Would Bill Belichick jump up and down every time his team scored a FG.
3. It is time for a stud coach. I am not sure who, Gruden, Cohwer ???? Pay a few million extra and get a big time group of coaches and front office people. Look what Bellichick does! Ireland doesn’t do it for me! The drafting has been medicore at best. Jake Long is a super LT, but what about the rest of the draft, The Pat Whites etc. Some of our best players were not drafted and that scares me….. Wake, Dansby, Bess. Who on our team is a stud who was drafted during the last 5 years!
4. QB’s make or break your team. The QB touches the ball on almost every offensive play. A great QB can make a poor team average and and an average team great. A lousy QB (Henne), can make a good team lousy!!
5. IMHO Both HENN’s got to go. However, you can’t blame Henning for Henne ‘s horrendous throw to Hartline. However, if you paid and traded for Brandon Marshall, USE HIM. I don’t care if you throw him 25 passes a game. He was great in Denver!. The reason he is not great here is both Henn’s
How long did cohwer have to wait until he had a QB that could win him a super bowl? Is this fan base patient to wait that long.
We won’t wait 3 before we want to fire our current coach. When you are missing parts 3 years after a 1-15, we should be superbowl contenders, right? If we had won 3 more games this year we are not even having this conversation. Did Gruden draft the team he won the SB with? How was his drafting with TB until he got fired? I forgot, can some one remind me?
I don’t think Sparano is the problem, now Henning, Heene…. that is a different story. Let Henning retire, draft a QB to compete and replace Henne, and draft some OL this year. My thoughts.
"There is no defense against a perfect pass. I can throw the perfect pass." - Dan Marino
You still need a QB!!
Last year the draft was defense!!! The Phins got a new DC. At the beginning of the year, Odrick went down, Merling went down, Jason Fergeson retired, we got rid of JT and Porter, yet our defense has been fairly stout this year! Other than the Jason Allen, Shawn Smith stuff, and some dropped INTs/pick sixes, there isn’t a lot of negative being said about the defense!!!
On the otherhand, the offense got Brandon Marshall, Richie Icognito and Ricky and Ronnie were healthy. Henne had a year under his belt and was able to practice all off season to be the next captain in charge!! Yet the offense SUCKS!!!!
Put that into perspective and the problem is CRYSTAL CLEAR It is the 2 HENN’S!!
I gaming on replacing Tony with David Lee.
I mean, he has done a tremendous job with the quarterbacks!
Pat White is the wildcat incarnate (too bad he truly wanted to play baseball).
He’s developed Thigpen into a reliable premier back up.
And golly dawgs!, he’s well on his way to creating a franchise QB in Henne.
You can’t blame him for Penne shoulder, tho.
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Would Henne be better if THE DOLPHINS HAD MICHIGAN WR's?
FYI, I was just checking and correct me if I am wrong but Henne had
Steve Breaston
Mario Manningham
Brayon Edwards as WR with
Jake Long at LT
I think even Pat Whit would have looked good under that system.
Pat White had a pretty good college career
One of five players in NCAA history to rush for 1,000 yards and pass for 1,000 yards in a season. (Accomplished twice, 2006 and 2007)
Starting record of 34-8 is unmatched by any quarterback in WVU history and sixth in the NCAA in most career victories as a starting quarterback.
Only quarterback to have started and won 4 consecutive bowl games.
For some reason he completely forgot how to throw the ball once he got to the NFL.
Sparano has to go
I admit Sparano is a likable guy. He’s just a sorry coach. How many time out have to be called early in games because the players can’t get the play off in time? And usually, after the fins call a time out they excute poorly. Also, too many times the defense is not ready when the other team centers the ball, which leads to easy touchdowns and 12 men on the field penalities. Even this late in the season the team has no idea how to run a 2 minute offense. Clock management is suspect. Sparano is a grind it out coach, who has little imagination, and sets his team up to lose by playing not to lose. And lets’s be honest. Henne sucks and the coach should have seen this much earlier in the season.
Wow are you people serious??
We were 1-15 just 3 seasons ago. We were pathetic. Then we cleaned house and brought in a whole new FO and coaching staff. It’s been almost 3 full seasons now since then. We went 11-5 in the first season mostly because we had the easiest schedule in the history of the NFL. lol Last year we went 7-9 mostly because we had a bunch of key injuries but pretty much what i had expected or hoped anyways in the second year and now in the third year we are probably going to finish aroung 8-8 or 9-7 imo . You can’t expect to go to the playoffs and superbowl after completely over hauling a team in 2 or 3 years, it takes time to put together a winning team, it doesn’t just happen over night! this team is going in the right direction in my opinion.
It takes 3 to 5 years to build a team and this is the 3rd year. I think we have put together a very good team so far. All i’m saying is we need to be a little more patient. You guys are starting to sound like NY fans, I know cause i hear them on the radio every day here in NJ. Here are some examples of NY fans over the years:
1. They kept killing Phil Simms saying sucked and wouldn’t amount to anything. well he won a superbowl and help bring another to the Giants.
2. The same could be said about Eli Manning and he won a superbowl as well.
Chad Henne is going to be fine, i mean jeez it’s only his 2nd year playing. We need a new OC for sure henning has to go.
All I’m saying is give Henne a chance, he hasn’t even played a full season yet.
Give the FO a chance to finish what they started, Its only been 3 seasons.
Well thats my 2 cents worth.
GO PHINS!!
Was at the fake spike game against the Jests !!
The Falcons started this rebuilding process at the same time as us
look at them now.
Matty, you cannot be serious.
He does a great job of getting maximum effort out of his players
How many times has this team come out flat at home? Tell me. We are 5-1 on the road, 1-5 at home and he gets the best out his players? Nolan has our defense playing a little better other than that where is the big improvement from 3 years ago despite the big jolt in talent we received? I’ll listen to you. Lets look back and have a check up.
Special teams sucked then, they suck now.
OL sucked then, they sucked now.- Regressing I might add.
Couldn’t run the ball then, can’t run the ball now.- Regressing
QB huge questions then, huge questions now.- QB regressing
Couldn’t pass then, can’t pass now.
The offense sucked then, they suck now.
The defense has played well the past couple of games, but they played against the Browns and Raiders offense, look at their QBs. They continue to drop INTS. How long before they revert to giving up the big plays, allowing 3rd down conversions , probably when they play another playoff team.
You did this with Cam, now you are doing it with Tony. There is no in-game adjustment, poor use of TOs, team comes out horribly flat at home, handled the whole QB situation with starting CP and throwing Henne under the bus all wrong, and sacrificed this season by not firing Henning when everyone knows he is a huge problem.
We are gonna probably going to lose 5 out of our last 7 and that should cost him his job. I’m all for it.
P.S Sanchez threw 3 INTs last game, I guess they need to draft a QB in the 1st rd too.
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Thats true but
Matt Ryan started all 16 games his rookie season and looked to take a step back his second year only to come out this year and look like an NFL QB. Henne did not start at all his rookie season and played pretty well when he had to come in and take over last year. He is having an average year this year(his second year). So lets see what happens next year. If there’s a next year. Plus i don’t think Atlanta had a total over haul to thier roster like Miami has. There’s only 4 or 5 players left from the 1-15 team.
Was at the fake spike game against the Jests !!
Neo
P.S Sanchez threw 3 INTs last game, I guess they need to draft a QB in the 1st rd too.
Don’t forget the Colts are gonna be in the market for a new QB now that Manning has thrown 4 INTs in back to back games.
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There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
I for one am quite happy with the front office as a whole, just go back and look at what our roster was when the team took over, it was putrid.
If any of you have the game Head Coach just start a Dolphins franchise in the off season and see exactly what the roster was.
We have a very talented young roster now, so overall they have done a very good job.
I am now convinced that Henne is a younger Rex Grossman.
He can play phenomenally every other week and horrendous the other half of the season. We need stability.
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That would be HUGE!
Fuck 2011, how about right now??
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Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
oh wait,
Brandon Marshall would not work with him. Change my vote to pass.
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Not to mention
How do you think Nolan got here?
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Sorry, but I think Brady and Belicheck were bigger factors than McDaniels
As usual with Patriots assistants, they are completely incompetent when put on their own. Pretty obvious who wears the pants in NE.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Many Tough Decisions
1-Henne= who knows, what scares me is that he moves on and i get this feeling that in a better system under a good OC he starts to excel, keep him give him some competition, and see where it goes which could result in another lost season=tough decision
2-Dan Henning= we all know he has to go, could be the reson our offence has never been consisitent, he never seems to adjust to what the defence is doing and seems very often predictable, he’s game plan is always in question
3-Sparano=real tough call, Matty’s right when it comes to the O-line, he’s made questionable changes that never worked out, would like to hear him admit to this which would make it easier to give him another chance, to change him puts the franchise going backwards again, which is getting hard to watch, 3 steps forward, 4 backwards=tough call
4-tough season=this is so true, we’ve been close with real good teams, a la pittsburgh, we’ve had some big injuries to deal with, and bounces that just have not gone our way, its like the football gods said not this year boys, who expected teams like Jacksonville, Indy, tampa, KC, dallas, would be having their type of season, be it good or bad.
I’m glad i’m not making these decisons but it will be fun to armchair QB every decison made in the next 6 months, and thats if there is even football next year?
Sparano will stay, Henning will exit left, Henne will be kept...
Sparano has this team. If you look at the Head Coach firing’s this year, every coach that was fired had lost their team, accompanied by horrible decisions. What can we blame Sparano for?? Rearranging his line to replace players that are constantly beat up. Do you see Grove active on anyone’s roster right now? Justin Smiley started the first 5 games with Jacksonville and hasn’t played since… You going to blame Sparano for bad use of timeouts?? Really?
Henning has been very, very vanilla this year. You can see the frustration building up with this offense and Henne is somewhat to blame, but Sparano gave us a little glimpse into what is actually happening in his last few press conferences. Sprano said that he would sit down and evaluate Henne at the end of the year, but then he went on to defend his quarterback with some of the reasons why these inconsistencies are happening. Bad O-Line play, receivers breaking their routes off, guys not coming back to the ball. What I blame Henning for is constantly putting our offense in bad situations. We know Henne can make any throw required of a quarterback in the NFL, put him in position to make these throws. With the running game, yeah bad O-Line play will doom a running game, but we really don’t have a scatback to get this line moving instead we continue to try and push people off the ball.
There are some changes that need to be made. First will be O-Line, knowing Sparano he will be banging on Ireland’s door the first thing January 3rd to go find some linemen. Next, we need a couple of burners on the field. This is something that Sparano has not taken a chance on but I think he has forced himself into it. We need a sub-4.4 WR (with good hands), and we need a RB with comparable speed, at least in the 4.4 range. Last, we do need some competition for Henne, and probably need to deal Thigpen. If he can’t outplay a hurt Henne, then seriously what good is he. His body of work this year is horrible, and his constistency issues are probably getting worse because he does not get the practice time that Henne gets.
All in all, this team is not lost, and this team doesn’t need to be stripped down and rebuilt. We need to replace some parts. I hope that Ross, Ireland, and Sparano will find a OC that has adaptability. I don’t care if we still continue to be a run first football team, but at least have the adaptability to become pass oriented when needed. Don’t go into a game with 4 RB’s and 4 WR’s because these guys play good special teams. Our offense will need to have a chance to spread the field when coverages bracket everything we do. Look at Pittsburgh. They are a run first team, everyone knows that. The second that a team shuts their run game down, they can easily go 4 – 5 wide and create space for their skill players. I only bring up the Steelers because that type of offense wins games. Keep it together, fix the parts that are affecting the team the most, but don’t go and blow 3 years of progression with a young team because Gruden likes Miami, or because Cowher may be available.
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well said
excellent points and i agree i do not want to start all over with new decision makers, con’t stand to watch going backwards again. But Sprano has to held accountable for O-line, that is his game. He’s made questionable interior decisions, but that doesn’t mean he can’t fix them.
What ever happened to John Jerry?
Jerry seems to start every other week
He starts and sucks, so they put in McFail, who plays worse, so they put him in, etc. Cycle.
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Henne
My biggest problem with Henne is his lack of a killer instinct. Not once has he led us to a TD drive when it was needed. Remember Pennington’s play during our 11-5 run? He led clutch drive after clutch drive. To me, Henne lacks the clutch factor big time! I have zero confidence with him on the field down by four with two minutes left.
All in all this is def a disappointing season, but we know were competitive and obviously are a few pieces away. The key question is QB def one of them??
Ignore multiple game winning drives last year
And ignore 2 wide sets
And ignore FB runs up the middle without timeouts
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(and FB gets 1st down(S)).
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Keep Henne and Sparano
Draft a QB and try to find a veteran that can come in and start right away. Let the four QB’s fight it out and play the best one. The Rookie can learn from the bench.
Then we need to focus on Offense this draft. By picking up QB, OL, RB and WR.
I don’t think the OL problems are Sparano’s fault. The only reason we got rid of them was to save money. You don’t get rid of good players unless someone is pressuring you to save money.
If we draft a rookie before 3
he needs to be played. No one learns from the bench.
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Pretty sure a guy named Aaron Rodgers learned
very well from the bench…… wait we don’t have Brett Favre, never mind.
Henne
The problem with Henne is that he is not a leader. Did anybody see Brady play last night. Dud you see his emotion and how he inspired his teammates to play better. That’s the spark that Henne doesn’t have and that you need from your quarterback. All the great ones have it.
Lastly, I’m sick of hearing about Jason Taylor leaving. He is old and doesn’t have anything left in the tank. Last night he had one tackle. I watched a game a few weeks ago where he had zero tackles. Letting him go allows Misi and Wake the opportunity to grow. Letting 99 leave was one of the few decisions the trifecta got right!!
by TunaCan on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The notion
Of drafting a QB high will fix everything is wrong. Most QBs need time to develop. There are exceptions, but most need 2-3 years. If we trade up and get Luck, and he will struggles first year, will we kick him out? Remember it ilk mean we had to ignore some other critical positions to get him, and they never got fixed.
I think Henne deserves one more year. Your not talking about a guy completing less then 50% of passes, has double INT then TD, has double losses then wins. Henne’s numbers are average – guess what – on an average team! With exception of Long and Wake, who has been above average for Miami?
Again, if we get by some chance a shot at a QB without betting the farm, I don’t mind. But we have so many bigger issues to fix. Our team is around .500. We don’t need to strip all, and bet all, to fix this.
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Average
Expanding this
Dansby – lots of tackles, few game changing plays : Average
Brown – barely 4 yards per carry : Average
Vontae- only 1 INT : Average
Marshall – too many drops :Average
Need I go on?
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Mo, as unstable as our defense were, changing line ups, interior OL play, and poor pass
placement, none of those guys deserve the average tag.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Give them to the Pats and watch their stats.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
Because on a better team, their efforts would show more and probably their stats would reflect that
Ehhh…can’t I say same for Henne?
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good DB
about DB’s: Int is not a proper stat to evaluate them
especially really good DB’s have less balls tossed in there direction
Alex Smith
He will be available next year!! Bring him in to compete with Henne for the starting job. Save our draft picks to fill other positions of need!
by TunaCan on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I saw him play in college here in Utah
He has great instincts. Very intelligent.
I truly believe that in a different system he would do better. Maybe not ours but I hope
the guy gets another shot at it.
For all those calling for Sparano's Head,
Do you think Cleveland fans wish Bill Belicheck was still in Cleveland with his three rings? We’re still moving in the right direction .Sparano is a quality coach. And to here people complaining about time out usage , Really ? Come on ! Did somebody really say Carl Peterson is the way to go ? The lunatics are on the lawn!!!! Everyone take a deep breath .
Ha ha
Gotta get the lunies on the path.
I also see a great future in his coaching career.
He is solid. Building upon his knowledge of how to lead a team.
Having the respect of the players is huge. Next getting them all on the same page.
This takes time and I think that as much as people are asking for more time to develop Henne
that Tony needs to be given time to develop and build. If we are looking at an 8-8 season that might mean we have not improved enough from last year; next year with Tony and Henne back and some more drafts, acquisitions and coach changes we should expect to see improvements.
Without improvements each year then you tweak the people you have until you have the right recipe.
Unfortunately, Patriots are going to have monster draft next year and they are sitting on top of the division with a young defense. So we know they will be improving.
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Well said MoLimits about Henne
This is what happens when you groom a QB. I know its tough to watch but with the time we invested it is too early to give up .I don’t mind bringing in competition but why bother to spend another high draft pick with out the patience to see it trough again!
PS Is Alex Smith really the answer ?
wow, people actually want Sparano back.
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We are never gonna get better by cycling through coaches every few years !
Sparano’s guys play hard. We rarely lose to inferior teams and play well against teams with better talent. I guess you don’t like the way they use their time outs too?
Sparano is an O-line coach and our O-line
has been a huge problem. If he can’t make our O-line one of the best in the league, he does have Jake Long, he shouldn’t be allowed to stick around as head coach. I think it’s time he finds a job that he is qualified for and that is not a head coach.
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Isn’t that a bit of a knee jerk reaction ? We did have a really good O-line last year and made some moves that didn’t pan out ,coupled with some injuries .There has not been a lot of consistency in the interior and that’s not Sparano’s fault. He can only coach as well as the talent he has. His players play for him.
I guess by that theory Mike Shannohan should be fired because he’s an Offensive Genius and his team is not playing that way.
We did have a really good O-line last year
Towards the end of last year our OL sucked @ss. Hell we pulled Henne out at half time of the pitt game because he was getting killed
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by Neo on Dec 7, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Dumb QB's??
Anybody notice how dumb Henne is in his interviews?
How can that not translate into being a dumb quarterback? Look at the elite QB’s – one thing they all have in common is smarts – this kid doesn’t have it and he never will. Dump him now.
by Don't hate on Yeremiah on Dec 7, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions
On the money
Anyone making the kind of money he makes and takes his receivers to lunch at Burger King? Com on, be serious.
So now we are judging him on his eating habits
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Henne is either gone or will be competing for the starting job in 2011. Jeff Ireland will probably be here as will Tony Sparano. I think we will keep Ricky Williams, unless he retires and let Ronnie Brown go. Ronnie’s productivity has gone down compared to Ricky this year. Both are getting older. We need to draft an RB. We should probably be looking for a QB in the first or upper second round. I don’t know what’s out there, but Danny O’Brien (my alma mater) will not be available for a while. We probably need to look at deeping our positions at LB and safeties. Offensive line may need a little tweaking too. It’s going to have to be a partial rebuild, because whatever is there now is not working. Good luck.
Saw no improvement in the coaching and Sparano let Henning go 8 games ago
I would stand behind him, he has watched Henne regressed, favorable players released including an effective OL and overseen a very ordinary game plan with no strategy at all. There is a reason why you win 1, then lose 1 and it’s call poor coaching.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
I agree
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by Neo on Dec 7, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
most don't agree that we aren't a well-coached team?
I disagree with that.. I think most people can see that we aren’t a well-coached ballclub.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
you're double negative has me confused.
Don’t – aren’t
So
You disagree that most don’t agree that we aren’t a well coached team.
Gotcha?
Things Jeff Ireland has done
Jeff Ireland has done the following in his three years:
-Signed some undrafted WR nobody had ever heard of named Davone Bess
-Signed some undrafted kicker from Montana named Dan Carpenter
-Signed a CFL player named Cameron Wake
-Drafted Jake Long
-Drafted Vontae Davis
-Signed a fullback who the Bears didn’t want named Lousaka Polite
-Opened up the pocketbook and signed Brandon Marshall and Karlos Dansby
-Gave Chad Pennington a chance to lead us to an 11-5 season
-Was not too proud to admit bad decisions and move on (getting rid of Pat White and Patrick Turner)
And those are just the great moves – there are others that are merely ok or too soon to tell. Now compare it with the bad moves he’s made:
-Drafting Pat White
-Not re-signing Jason Taylor
-Drafting Philip Merling
(Chad Henne doesn’t fall into that bad moves category yet – too early to tell. He has great games, they’re just sandwiched between bad ones)
So why is there any question that we should keep Jeff Ireland?
I'm confused
Was that Jeff Ireland or Bill Parcells?
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by Neo on Dec 7, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Doesan't Ireland deserve one year on his own?
And aren’t the Dolphins a lot better than 3yrs ago. Why change direction now ? we are as good as vegas predicted and still need to acquire more talent.. they should not be measured against unrealistic fan expectations.
Who care what vegas says?
Ireland can stay all he wants as long as he removes this coaching staff.
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by Neo on Dec 7, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
and replace them with...
Wade Phillips?
Easy to call for the coaches heads but unless there is someone who can do better,
we are just going to have to get the ones we have to learn on the job.
Changing all of the key pieces all of the time just serves the purpose of giving the fans false hope.
New Coaches will generate a lot hope next year with this fan base and then we will wait patiently for 5 to 6 years for them to build a team that can go to the bowl and win? No!
They will make a few mistakes in a year or two and then you will be calling for their jobs too.
When does that stop? Let the team gel.
I haven't said anything about Ireland
Matter of fact, I haven’t heard anyone blame hiring. All I really heard was Henne.My finger is point at Henning, Sparano, and partially Henne.
What blame has Ireland. There is no questin talent is on this team, its just that this talent is underachieving.
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by Neo on Dec 7, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
For the record
I don’t think we made a mistake not resigning Taylor
Merling was ranked very high pre-draft. Mayock, one of the best football analysts, had him as a high to mid first round projection
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1 argument with you here Matty -
I would put Dan Carpenter up as the team’s MVP this year. Wake has been outstanding, but without DC$’s right leg, we would be embarassingly bad this year.
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then fix the O-line through free agency and whatever picks we have left.
Another argument in favor of Sparano. We are one of the lest penalized teams. Incognito hadn’t ripped heads off. The only coach i would take over Sparano is Cowher. Other than that we say the course with this HC for one more year.
It's over. What am I going to do with all this popcorn?
Andrew Luck or Ryan Mallett 1st Round. Make it Happen. No excuses.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Ok, there are a lot of things being tossed around here,
so here is my thoughts and then a summary of responses to each.
I voted No for Sparano to come back. While we are all looking at Henne and debating his improvement/regression, we also have to look at the improvement/regression of Sparano. He is still making some bad decisions and poor game management that he made in his 1st year. How long do you have to give a head coach before you realize that he isn’t going to be a good head coach? Not to say that he could not still be productive on the team, just as a lesser coach maybe. Lots of coaches fail as a head coaches, but succeed at coordinator positions or another coaching spot.
For example, our own Mike Nolan was the head coach of the 49ers and did not do a very good job with them. But he is still pretty successful as a D coord. Hell, we all know how much Cam Cameron sucked as a head coach, but he seems to be doing pretty well as the O coord at Baltimore. Sparano just might not be able to handle the responsibilities of having to coach the whole team, he may be better just being an O-line coach where he only has to worry about 1 area.
Now for responses to other people:
Carl Peterson: Really? Did you not see the horrible, horrible mess he made out of the Chiefs while he was there? He has not proven that he can do anything other than drive a NFL franchise into the ground.
Michael Vick: Ok, for the last time, the Eagles are not going to let Vick go in free agency! He is going to be signed to an extension either before the season is done or right after. And if you think that means that they might trade Kolb, think again. They have already said that Kolb is their QB of the future. They tried him earlier this season but he wasn’t quite ready. They will keep him and use Vick as their main QB until they feel Kolb is ready for the starting job. And if they for some reason entertain offers for either, they will be asking for a overly high amount of compensation for them so it won’t be worth it.
Head coach: While I said I don’t want Sparano back, I don’t really have an idea of who I would want to have take over. Cowher would obviously be nice, but we don’t know if he is for sure going to coach again, or if he would want to come to Miami. Gruden would ok, but I have never really been that impressed with his coaching in the past.
QB: Other than in the draft, I don’t think we are going to have very many QB options to choose from if we don’t stick with Henne for another year. We can find a vet to fit as a band aid while we groom another QB, but what if he doesn’t work out? And who would be grooming him? If we are going to get a new QB to replace Henne as the starter, I think our only viable option will be to get a kid in the draft and to start him day one. And then pray that we get someone who does as well as Matt Ryan or Sam Bradford.
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Be Objective Analysis needed
I have no personal qualms with Sparano but lets be objective. I feel he should be given one more year to prove his worth. These last two years have been mediocre at best and its not for lack of talent. When there are no obvious reasons for the teams failings then guess what change must change from the top. Next year he is on the hot seat, yes a team needs stability at the FO/Coaches level. However we dont want to be like the Titans who have had the same coach (17 years) that is well liked but cant get the job done. I see as this Henning should be gone this year, Henne the jury is still out there but Sparano needs one more year. Playoffs next year and he should stay, no playoffs at the conclusion of next season and bye bye Tony.
Henne for one more year
Drafting a QB high would hinder other areas of concern. It also gives Henne just that much more to REALLY see if he can be that guy. If he does become that guy, great we’ve done ourselves a service. If he isn’t then the season would have the same outcome if we started a rookie or a veteran. Their honestly isn’t any reason to give him next year.
This all comes down to Sparano, of course. Is he willing to risk his job to see if Henne is the future? I don’t know. that’s why I’m going to think – no. If they have another mediocre season Ross will say bye bye. This concerns me because if he does draft that QB high we are going to have a mediocre season anyways. Sparano might still get fired and the team will still have wholes that could have been filled with a high pick applied somewhere else.
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties.
To be honest...
I would much rather see this team address the running back situation before the quarterback one. Our available resources for the running game are much better than the pass and drafting a top RB would really help us out in the short term. Based on some of the projected drafts floating around, we have a good shot at landing Mark Ingram. None of the teams before us really “need” a RB, per se. If we get Ingram and finally set a permanent line (John Jerry and his damn stomach viruses…) then I think we’ll see a huge boost in production. After that 1st round pick, we can either get a 2nd round QB to threaten Henne or beef up our defense.
I don’t post very often but I read everything on here, including member comments. I have an idea that I want to share with you and see what you think.
The reason we are 6-6 is 100% the fault of the offense. Our OC has made questionable (to say the least) play calling and our offense is abysmal. In case you haven’t heard, Josh McDaniels just got fired. Despite his bad moves as a HC, he is still one of the best OC in the league.
After what happened this year in Denver, McDaniels will be looking for another job but most likely at the OC position. Depending on what new management will do with the Broncos current staff, they will likely get rid of Orton. In that scenario the Dolphins could sign both Orton and McDaniels. We keep Henne as the starter but if he acts like, well you know…Henne then we have Orton.
Orton to Marshall worked pretty good for both of them as well as the Broncos offense ( they were ranked 2 in 2008). We have the receivers in place, we just need the right QB and the right OC to pull it off. We are no longer a running team based upon using the strengths of our team. We have a top 5 D, imagine if we can get a top 5 offense in an off-season?
Any thoughts?
by Marcus Zarfos II on Dec 7, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions
I never thought of Orton!
Could work.
Wouldn’t we be the Broncos version 2.0
if we had Nolan, McDaniels, Marshall and Orton?
because that worked so well
that 3 of those guys aren’t in Denver anymore…..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Henne the future . . .
a lot of things confuse me about my confidence at having Henne leading us next year and beyond. The more and more I see him perform the greater my conviction, that he is not a natural leader. As much as people kid around about dubbing him a ‘Robot’ there is strong evidence of some traits.
The kid in my opinion has minimal emotional/social intelligence. I would suggest he reads books by Daniel Goleman. What good does it do if he’s composed, calm, or rational if he doesn’t help the offense get motivated or excited about each play. Most leaders are born that way but not to be discouraging, he could definitely learn to.
So I’m starting to believe that the coaching staff is at fault on this, inept at best. I believe that they have fucked with his psychology, making him more like a “Robot” that does everything methodically without any emotions involved. Let the kid play with heart (if he had any) lots of communication on field, calling fake audibles ala Beeker Manning.
Lets go bring down them Paper Planes from the clouds this sunday!
Not rocking the boat, yeah we went from 1-15 to 11-5 in 2008
We go 7-9 in 2009, we pick of 100 mil tab in acquiring Marshall and Dansby. Anoint Henne as our franchise qb and still end of mediocre. WE release Taylor, Martin, Grove, Ginn, and several other key players from a 7-9 squad and now we are again facing 7-9. No big dropoff but with an 100 mil investment, someone has to go. If the trifecta built this together, then they need to leave together.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
You kiddin?
The fins have a lot of holes to fill. One is the coaching staff, if you can’t get your team up for home games in the NFL then there is a problem…You have to win your home games, period…That falls on the coaching staff. Sure you play well on the road, but for goodness sake man, win some at home where you suppose to. Second, everyone one says that Nolan has done an outstanding job with the defense. What are you kiddin me, just take a look at the browns game. What kind of pressure did we put on their QB? None, absolutely none, he had all day to throw the ball. If you can’t get constant pressure on an average team that has an average QB, what do you think a good team will do to you? Our defensive line stinks, except for Cameron Wake! As for Henne, well i was a big fan, but now i really don’t know what to think, except maybe if he could be put in a system that he’s more comfortable with he could do more. What i don’t like about our coaching staff is that they don’t give him a chance to audible at the line. He has to go with what play is sent in, regardless. I see the fins losing 3 out of 4 of the remaining games. That will put them at 7-9 for the year. Someone has to be accountable for that!
Go find a hole and stick your head in it, cuz you definitely have no clue what you taking about.
We have a top 10 defenseand that’s with a would be bust solia, in the middle, starks, playn out his original position, our rookie DE out and lets not forget edds our lb who was turnn heads before getting hurt.
by D0lphins4Life on Dec 7, 2010 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Go find a hole and stick your head in it, cuz you definitely have no clue what you taking about.
We have a top 10 defenseand that’s with a would be bust solia, in the middle, starks, playn out his original position, our rookie DE out and lets not forget edds our lb who was turnn heads before getting hurt.
by D0lphins4Life on Dec 7, 2010 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know they have got some talent on defense
I’m saying what has Nolan done to improve them from last year? I’m saying they just don’t get enough pressure on opposing QB’s consistantly…They are horrible on the opposing offenses getting converting 3rd downs. They do a job some of containing the run for the most part, but in a few games this year they have let the running backs go off on them…DB’s can’t catch a ball to save their lives. I know they are ranked #10 on defense, but overall those stats are a little miss leading. I don’t blame the defense for all of the losses, I blame the offense, but mostly the entire coaching staff… Like I said before, you got to win your home games. No team fears the fins when they come to Miami, and that should never be!
by WDM on Dec 9, 2010 6:52 AM EST up reply actions
Keep them.......
Put me down for keeping Henne, Sparano and the GM, for another year. Find two QBs, one thru the draft and a FA pickup. I like the idea of bring in McDaniels for OC, may be what we need to start beating NE again. Loved what they did to the JETS.
The Fish are a 500 team this year, just like the JETS are, with the big differents being the JETS have managed the close games much better. How many games have the JETS won in over time this year? Would like to see them LOSE a close ones this weekend.
Let’s face it, we have an average team with a below average running game and are expecting way too much from a young average QB. Lets fix the problems not pitch it all out.
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Find two QBs
I disagree. Find one QB. A first round QB. If you have 2 QB’s, you have no QB.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
And give him 2 years too, Neo?
In a lousy offensive scheme?
With no running game?
It’s YOUR mentality that is the problem. The “instant gratifacation” type. Eli Manning, Breese, Flacco, Matt Ryan…all had troubles in their first couple of years, until their organizations could get the right types of players AND offensive systems around them in order to maximize their talents. Giving up on Henne now is foolish. Especially with a new OC next year.
Henne needs/deserves one more full year before he is shown the door.
Don't see much talent
Henne hasn’t showen me anything that would lead me to believe he is worth keeping. His read of the field is poor. He is not very mobil in the pocket. He lacks accuracy, and he is not a good team leader. That comes up just about zero for me, and if we don’t draft talent this year, IMO, next year will look much the same no matter who is trying to catch the throws he attempts to make. We need to be planing 2 seasons out here, and as for Henne, some things you can coach, but some things the player needs to bring with them to the game. I see it like this: It’s fourth quarter, and there’s 2 min on the clock, were down 7 points and we just got the ball… Do you EVER think, “Oh boy, here comes Henne, he’s going to give them HE$$ NOW!!” Neither do I!! Draft young, draft quick or watch the Jets and, “Wait till next year!” again…
I'm not Neo
my mentality is that mediocrity is no longer acceptable. Ryan and Flacco went to playoffs as rookies. Flacco’s team beat ours (led by the almighty Chad Pennington). My mentality is that I want greatness, I’m tired of being “just OK,” of saying “just let our guys develop, next year we’ll be contender.” I’ve been saying that for my entire life.
And I can already see it now. We get a hot shot new OC. We go 8-8. Henne looks phenomenal one week, terrible another, but everybody blames it on “the new offense he has to learn. He needs a couple years to understand it.” Then what? We go into year 5 of having a mediocre QB? And then we decide to find a 1st round rookie? Then of course, it takes 4 years for him to get it (like people keep saying about Henne), and next thing you know, we’re a decade from now, with no improvement on our current situation. Yeah it’s all what-if’s. So is the “what-if” of Henne succeeding with a new OC. I’d rather get a new staff and new QB in place, because 1 smart hire and 1 smart draft pick does more for this current team than anything else we could do as an organization.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 8, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
technically Henne went to the playoffs as a rookie...
ahem…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 10, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Good point my man
Don’t give up on Henne too soon! Let him have another year or two WITH another offensive coordinator under him. Put him in a system that he’s comfortable with. Henning gives NO control to the QB to run the offense. Henning is the PROBLEM!
by WDM on Dec 9, 2010 6:55 AM EST up reply actions
huizinga's decisions still impacting team
well long has been very good but I would always take a running back over a line man with a high draft choice(mcfadden) Huizinga’s ownership with the dolphins made him money but the team never really improved year to year.Ross needs to make his own decisions and start again.This organization has made one bad decision after another,as one example I will use wes welker they gave him away for nothing to a division opponent.If I was Ross I would clean house and start hiring the people HE thinks will help this organization become one of the elite again.Some or all of the coaches might be replaced,and some of the players who have been here and are used to losing might be elsewhere next year.I had a good idea after the first four games of the season that this team wasnt going to play in the postseason,starting 2-0 and losing at home to the jets and the pats in the following two weeks.
I totally disagree about MISI
He is a rookie, he leads the AFC in Sacks by a rookie, and the one thing he does best on the strong side is he sets the edge and prevents the run. WAKE cant do that. If we have two WAKES teams will run all over us. You cant have two WAKES what part of that dont you understand people. Sick and tired of the ragging on Misi. I hope they do not do what your asking cause the run D will suffer greatly.
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