Before heads roll
by sdelinois on Dec 27, 2010 9:26 AM EST
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I would like to start by saying I like Sparano and think he is a good head coach. Sure he made some poor decisions with time outs early in his carrer and he has had his own learning curve. But he is a solid well respected coach that seems to have his team ready to play each week. Maybe that's not enough but lets talk about the failures.
The Miami Dolphins have made lots of horrible personnel moves in the 3 years they have been here. The free agents they brought in the first two years were horrible. Sure there were a few gems but if you look at all the money they flushed down the toilet in free agents you will see that's one of the biggest problems. Wilford, McCown and Smiley for 2008. In 2009 Grove, Wlson and Green. 2010 They finally stopped signing bad players to big contracts because they signed stars to monster contracts and so far both have delivered.
The other area they have done terrible is drafting. The thought was Tuna and and guys were excellent talent evaluators that has not exactly been the case.
- 2008 They drafted Long, Langford who have been great players they also have Merling and Henne who have been disappointments. None of the other really make the field much.
- 2009 They drafted Vonte Davis and Sean Smith who have been great players and Hartline and Clemons who have been decent.
- In 2010 still has the jury out but only two players got significant playing time and only one Misi has looked good.
Finally some real bone headed moves letting people go. Jason Taylor, Donald Thomas, David Martin, Jake Grove, Justin Smiley, Samson Satele and Matt Roth.
So before I go putting people on the chopping block I would like to know who was responsible for this. Because in my opinion it's these poor decisions that put us where we are today. We have no quarterback and a team with tons of holes on the offensive line. Our TE's are only 1 deep and even Fasano is average at best. We spent tons of money on players we cut and had to eat their salaries. Our 2nd round pick from last year is playing baseball.
So my question is who was leading this team Parcells, Ireland or Sparano? Or maybe they are all intertwined because they are the trifecta?
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In 3 drafts this regime hasn't taken one impact player and that is failure.
Don’t get me wrong, I think for the most part they have drafted some good football players, but not a one of them is an impact, game changing player. Not one of them has elite speed. There has been absolutely no help on offense from a skill position perspective.
Look at the Lions. They have dynamic players all over the field:
The Lions have myriad holes.
But the Lions have something the Dolphins lack: Dynamic players.
Ndamukong Suh? Dynamic.
Calvin Johnson? Dynamic.
Matthew Stafford? You might not agree, but trust me, he’s dynamic.
Louis Delmas? Dynamic.
Brandon Pettigrew? Dynamic.
Stefan Logan? Dynamic on special teams.
All of those players are draft picks in the last 3 years. Where are the Phins dynamic draft picks? And by the way, OL and DL are not dynamic players.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Sorry if you think a Pro Bowl LT is not a impact player
you sir are sadly mistaken.
And by the way, OL and DL are not dynamic players.
LOL. Know much about football?
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How many games has Jake Long single handedly won at LT? The answer is NONE!
Yet he may have cost us a few, Atlanta comes to mind.
The Lions run a 4-3. DL in a 4-3 can be dynamic players. 3-4 DL, not so much. 3-4 DL occupy space to allow the real dynamic players, the LB’s, to make plays. And yet, the Trifecta did not draft a single LB until this year yet that is the position that makes a 3-4 team work.
PS: I have forgotten more football than you have ever known. =)
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
whatever
If you think drafting a future hall of fame LT is a mistake then we just will have to agree to disagree. The guy is a monster and if he only had a QB to protect we would be in the playoffs.
How many playoff games have the Phins won since Jake Long has been the LT?
These are the 3 best LT’s in the league right now: Jake Long, Ryan Clady, and Joe Thomas (this isn’t me saying this, it is the smart people in the league that know football). Those 3 combined have played in one playoff game (Long) and have been in the league a minimum of 3 years (Long and Clady, Thomas 4).
All three are GREAT Players. Not good, GREAT. Yet they have very little impact or game changing ability. It is the nature of the position that they play.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
. Yet they have very little impact or game changing ability. It is the nature of the position that they play.
Nah bud. Just because the “TEAM” they play on aren’t playoff material. When Moss was still great when he was in Oakland, he plays what you would call a play making position. How did they do?
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
I hear ya
I personally would have Drafted a QB but you can’t fault them for picking Long. Your team is built in the trenches.
IMO this team is no better than last year because of the O-Line. We added a HUGE play maker in Marshall but because the line is playing so poorly the offense is worse.
This would be true in the 80's and 90's.
Your team is built in the trenches.
Look at the last couple of Super Bowls. In ’09 Colts were 32nd in the league in rushing. Is that a team “built in the trenches”?
In ’08 the Cardinals were 32nd in the league in rushing and the Steelers were 23rd. Are these teams “built in the trenches”?
The Saints in ‘09 and the Giants and Patriots in ’08 had good running games but they didn’t have great OL’s. They used the passing game to open up the run. What all those teams did have were dynamic playmakers at just about every skill position. They didn’t have to rely on long drives to score points like the Phins because any one of a number of players could take a short play and make it a score.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
This may be a news flash...
but o-lineman pass block too! All of those teams were “built in the trenches” because they all had great offensive lines. Offensive lines do more than just run block. How many times do you see Drew Brees or Payton Manning get hit? Coincidence??
They don't get hit because they get rid of the ball quickly and to the right WR.
Something the Phins QB doesn’t do.
If you think that the Colts OL is good, you aren’t watching them play. The Saints, have a good line but not because of anything special they do. They are good because of all the playmakers, especially Brees, that the Saints have.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
You obviously know nothing about football or line play
The Colts have a solid o-line EVERY year that’s why they win 12 games a year (until now of course).
All of the playmakers in the world can’t cover up a bad o-line. A qb can’t look downfield or find the right receiver without solid protection.
“The Saints, have a good line but not because of anything special they do”
What does that even mean? You just said it. They have a good line. The “special thing” they do is give solid pass prtection and run the ball when they need to. Just like they did last night.
Ct, I feel you on the dynamic part, but why not add skilled position to it also
Jake Long is the reason that Henne is not in a coma right now and getting a franchise qb, you will need a seasoned LT. For a receiver, te, rb, and qb to be dynamic, it has to start with the LT. A sack is a game changing play, especially coming from the blindside, so Long has earned his money and respect.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Dec 27, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
PS: I have forgotten more football than you have ever known. =)
Yup and this post proves it.
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A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Suh is a D-Line player but yet listed as an impact player
I agree with the strategy that this team took to rebuild the team. Draft QB, D-Line and O-Line then finally other skilled positions.
The strategy is sound but the player selection leaves alot to be desired. Specially when you consider the O-Line is a mess and our two QBs are pretty much done in football.
You're seriously going to compare the Lions drafting to ours?
Let me correct your list first.
Calvin Johnson was drafted in 2007 (4 years ago). Scratch him off the list.
Stefan Logan was an UDFA by the Steelers. Scratch him off the list.
Louis Delmas – 29 games, 2 INT, 3 sacks. Not exactly dynamic if you ask me.
Chris Clemons – 25 games, 1 INT, 1.5 sacks. By your standards I guess he’s dynamic.
So that leaves you with Suh, Stafford, and Pettigrew. All first round picks. Two of those being the number 1 and 2 picks overall. In comparison our only pick during that time of equal value happens to be Jake Long, who is considered one of the best LT in the game. Something that can’t be said about any of the guys you’ve listed.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Listen
The Miami Dolphins have made lots of horrible personnel moves in the 3 years they have been here. The free agents they brought in the first two years were horrible. Sure there were a few gems but if you look at all the money they flushed down the toilet in free agents you will see that’s one of the biggest problems.
Considering what I had to put up with from the regimes going back to the Whanny years, this regime was a gold mine. Everyone guy can’t be a Pro Bowler, you people understand this right? But they can be solid NFL players.
We haven’t had this much talent on this team since JJ’s defense got old. We took chances on PW because apparently this regime doesn’t know when to give up on the WC. But we weren’t trading 2nd rders for AJ Feely, Culpepper, or trading draft picks to go up one 91) slot to pick Carey.
Don’t anyone try to convince me that this team did get talent that would be around for more than 2 years and actually have a impact. I’m not even looking down that road. We have talent on this team, and not only that. Young Talent.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
team didn't get talent that would be around for more than 2 years******
ahh proof reading
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Ok I'm not comparing them to the previous regimes that were failures
I’m trying to compare them to winners.
Yes they have added some good players but they are the “Trifecta” they should be better than most and I don’t see it. This teams failure is not Sparanos in my opinion it’s either Parcell or Ireland. Because the player moves they made were average at best,
Young talent but no impact. No playmakers.
In the last 3 years the Trifecta has drafted some solid players. There are literally no drafted playmakers on either side of the ball in the last 3 years. None. Don’t give me Jake Long, or Vontae Davis, or Koa Misi, or Sean Smith, or Brian Hartline, or Kendall Langford. Those are good solid players (Jake Long is Great), but none of them strike fear in opposing teams. None can be considered playmakers.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
we weren't even doing that before they came
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Agreed. The Trifecta has improved the overall talent of the Phins.
But at the most impactful positions on offense: QB, WR, RB they have tried and failed to address through the draft. The most impactful position on defense: WLB, SLB, FS they have failed to address through the draft (or have taken flyers on late round picks). Misi, who has been a relative disappointment this year IMO, is the only player drafted at either of those positions in the 1st 4 rounds of the last 3 drafts.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Let me see
Finally some real bone headed moves letting people go. Jason Taylor, Donald Thomas, David Martin, Jake Grove, Justin Smiley, Samson Satele and Matt Roth.
JT or Cameron Wake? Hmmm
And these other releases are tearing it up where exactly in the NFL? I’m curious.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
lets take each one individually
JT would be a nice compliment to Wake. Also would be great for depth. All they had to do was offer him a contract for 1.5 million. Barely above minimum.
Thomas, Smiley, Grove had this team running the ball well last year yet they replaced them all and now we can’t run for shit. Never mind the depth would have been nice.
Martin. Who is the second TE on this team? enough said.
Satele was getting paid minimum and they traded him for a very late pick. did I mention depth.
Matt Roth. If we still had Roth we would not have to go out and draft Misi. What the hell happened there.
Ginn for a 5th like taking your 1st 3 or 4 years here reject why not trade to sum team like the panther's for 2012 first pick or sumthin & not dump or 2nd rd pick cuz it's not a fifth!
It seam’s we prize our latter rd. pick’s more, then “early pick’s” but there again lies the upheavel. No impact in the later rd’s. But solid player’s, coach has an eye for solid player’s now get out there & get me sum impact player’s!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 27, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with nois on that
JT and Wake would of been great together and what worked for us may noy work for someone else’s team, but why fix what isn’t broken.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Dec 27, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Lol; mostly it was porter's big mouth!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 27, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
k, since you want to
JT would be a nice compliment to Wake. Also would be great for depth. All they had to do was offer him a contract for 1.5 million. Barely above minimum.
Keeping JT take snaps from Wake. BTW JT wanted to go to the Jets Only 1.5 min Thats a lie prove that to me. They offered a 1 million during the season and he turned it down. Trying to tell me $500,000 after all he made made him to decide to go to the Jets rather than his beloved Miami? Not buying that one.
Thomas, Smiley, Grove had this team running the ball well last year yet they replaced them all and now we can’t run for shit. Never mind the depth would have been nice.
Like I asked, show me where these guys are tearing it up.
Martin. Who is the second TE on this team? enough said.
Wasn’t Fasano doing so well we gave him another year? Who cares about the 2nd TE?
Satele was getting paid minimum and they traded him for a very late pick. did I mention depth.
k, and….
Matt Roth. If we still had Roth we would not have to go out and draft Misi. What the hell happened there.
Roth was placed on the Reserve/Non-Football-Injury list. He was later waived. Misi is better than Roth and will improve. Whats so bonehead about that?
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
and also about JT
There are 2 outside LB’s and JT would be able to give Misi and Wake breathers way better the olama fransis did.
able to give Misi and Wake breathers way
Thats another way of saying taking playing time from them
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Martin was our field stretching TE, JT wanted to stay a dolphin and he was not replacing
Wake, but sharing the outside with Misi, whom needs tutoring and in effect, making it harde ro roll double teams on Wake. Wake has Porter’s spot, not JT. As for Roth, he’s a beast now and was then. The interior linesman that led a potent ground attack last season, that we let go this season, well you see how our run game look this season. We took the yard sale route, when we had bargains in place already and now it is kicking us in the ass.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Dec 27, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Where did I hear JT was unwilling to help out with the rooks?
Here?
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Since
when do teams use TEs when they need to stretch the field?
As far as JT goes, he could play DE/LB so with Nolan’s Hybrid, pointless to really argue with this.
As for Roth, he’s a beast now and was then
I’m sorry , why shouldn’t we had gotten rid of Roth besides you think he is a beast. I missed it.
We took the yard sale route, when we had bargains in place already and now it is kicking us in the ass.
We did after spending that money Dansby and Brandon, could’ve fooled me.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
let go at it
JT left the dolphins because they did not want to offer him a contract until after the draft. He did not want to be the last one standing when all the chairs were filled. The evil jets offered him a 1.5 mill contract (the most they could because they were in the final 4) and he took it. I imagine he would have taken it from the dolphins in a heartbeat.
Roth was waived after Rothgate and they got nothing for him. They could have put him on IR and then put a tender on him even if they did not want him anymore. Or they could have settled their diffrerences and played him. If Roth was on the roster they never would have used a second round pick on Misi.
On the O-line they are terrible this year and last year they were good. enough said.
Martin is on another team and he would be a welcome addition to this team right now.
Anyway you’re missing the point that DEPTH is what wins you games in the long run. Teams will suffer injuries but if the next guy can step up you still have a chance.
JT, Martin, O-Line Roth all these guys add depth at the very least.
JT left the dolphins because they did not want to offer him a contract until after the draft
Nope. They offered him a contract during the season. Things doesn’t always happen when JT wants them to.
Roth was waived after Rothgate and they got nothing for him.
And gotten what? A very late rd pick? How dumb they are.
On the O-line they are terrible this year and last year they were good. enough said.
I’ll give you that, but Sparano is a OL coach and our Head Coach. You trying to tell me he didn’t give the ok before letting these guys go? Mmmmmk.. Not.
Martin is on another team and he would be a welcome addition to this team right now.
Whoever they decide to put in to give Martin a breather does fine. That isn’t no huge loss.
Anyway you’re missing the point that DEPTH is what wins you games in the long run. Teams will suffer injuries but if the next guy can step up you still have a chance.
JT, Martin, O-Line Roth all these guys add depth at the very least.
You realize we can’t keep everyone?
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Whoever they decide to put in to give Fasano a breather does fine.**********************
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
why do I talk to rocks
JT would have helped this team more than the other scrubs we have and at a good price. The world does not revolve around the dolphins they need to learn to work with people. You’re an idiot if you think JT would not have helped this team.
If Roth was on this team they would not have drafted Misi. They could have filled another need. Roth is a starter on another team. I think it’s cleveland.
on O-Line… I did not say that… The fact is they screwed it up to save the salaries of grove and smiley. I don’t know who made those decisions.
Martin was playing very well for us and is far better than the scrubs we have. He would have been a nice pass catching threat out of the 2 TE formation.
We can’t keep everyone but we got rid of these players and it hurt us. These players are better than the backups we have and not having depth destroyed us. Maybe they pick up a speedy WR with the pick they used on Misi.
Before we go
any further, you gotta explain why you go around talking to rocks. I find that fascinating.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Why is everyone crying about Grove, Smiley and Thomas.
Smiley is out on IR ( Shocker ), Grove is doing what???
Thomas was picked up a couple weeks back by the Lions as a backup. So what did we lose?????
Two players that are always hurt and a Guard that didn’t pan out. Thomas wasn;t the same after he hurt his foot.
someway somehow we lost our running game.
Our O-Line is not moving anyone and we have no depth there either. So maybe it’s unrelated but I don’t think so.
IDK
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
It was the correct move to let those players go
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Does confidence have anything to do with football cuz that might be the missing factory opp's!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 27, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Factor!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 27, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bad drafts?
I believe it was 2007 when there was a very prominent graphic showing how many of the ‘Fins draft picks over the last 5-10 years were actually on the team. It was like, one or two guys. That’s TERRIBLE drafting.
The fact that the current regime drafts players who not only make the squad, but also make an impact on the field, says to me that the sky is not falling.
Last year, we had glaring holes on D. We filled most of those holes via the draft, and got a lot younger (and cheaper), while we were at it.
Clearly, our defense is only going to improve and we have a very good core of players. My guess is that this year we’ll address offense in the draft.
The biggest issue I have right now is that our offensive philosophy (power run/dink and dunk) does not suit our offensive personnel! That, IMO, is a failure of the coaching staff. Whether Chad Henne can be a good QB in the NFL (much less this team) is not a question we’ll see answered as long as he’s asked to be Chad Pennington.
East coast not west coast!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 27, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that our team is improving but we did start at the bottom
While we improved the defense this year we let our offense go to the crapper.
We need the following positions addressed in this order
OC – Henning will go with or without Sparano
QB – Henne has proved himself. Proved he is not a top 15 QB
O-Line – interior Oline was a mess. Need to improve C and G
RB – Need to sign RB or RW to a 1 or 2 year deal and see if the youngsters can step up.
WR – Need to find someone to play opposite BM. Maybe this gets done in the following year.
Factor!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 27, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions
If you are a fan and you are talking
FIN FACTOR, I feel ya! I’m 120 mins from the Championship!
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Let me get this straight.
Grove was a bad FA signing, but he was also a boneheaded cut? How exactly does that equal out?
You blame the FO for bad drafting. Do you remember how bad our 2007 team was? Are you honestly going to say we’re not better than we were in 2007? Not to mention 75% of the players drafted since 2008 are still on the team. That’s a very good rate.
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So I stopped thinking.
Yes
If I have a Ford Focus that I paid $50k for and then I throw it out and buy a bicycle. Yes that both a bad free agent car purchase and a boneheaded cut.
Depends on how far you have to go. I find my bike a fine form of transportation.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 28, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure that equals out.
Ok, so he signed for $5 mil a year and he helped us to the 4th best rushing offense in 2009.
He gets released and we drop to the 20th ranked rushing offense, and we’re currently using our 4th different center.
A bad FA signing is someone who is overpaid and doesn’t even help your team. Wilford is a perfect example. Wilson and Grove are not. They both helped the team out, Wilford did not.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
In the eyes of the trifecta
Smiley and Grove were bad free agent acquisitions. It’s not me saying that it’s the trifecta… the proof is that they got rid of them.
I’m just saying that they should have kept them even if they were not the great players they were hoping for. They were much better than what we replaced the with.
They got rid of Grove and Smiley because if they kept them they would have to pay them millions of dollars a year for just above average play. Well how did that work out for them?
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- BREAKING: Tim Tebow did not become a great quarterback today
- Jerry Jones says Cowboys championship window is closing; Tony Romo disagrees
- Lawrence Taylor was told his Super Bowl ring was bought by Charlie Sheen
- Chad Ochocinco gets robbed, mourns loss of Starbucks gold card
