Defense and punting lead the way as Miami Dolphins win third consecutive vs Jets at Meadowlands
by Matty I on Dec 13, 2010 5:00 AM EST
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It's amazing how in a matter of six days, Jets fans went from being so mouthy and arrogant to so quiet and depressed. Quite frankly, it's a beautiful thing.
And when you come across one of those Jet fans, be sure to tell him or her that the Jets haven't beaten the Dolphins at home in Jersey since 2007. The Dolphins closed Giants Stadium with a win in their final trip. And now they open New Meadowlands Stadium with a win in their first game at the facility.
The Dolphins are also 4-2 against the Jets over the last three years under Tony Sparano.
If you can't tell, I'm obviously thrilled with the Dolphins' 10-6 win over the Jets on Sunday. Nothing cures the hangover from a loss to the Browns quite like beating the Jets in their own stadium.
Without further ado, let's get to the game's highlights:
Defense continues to carry team
Over the past month or so, we've seen Mike Nolan's defense carry this team. On Sunday, that trend continued as the defense forced two New York turnovers and held the Jets to just six points.
It all started up front. Last week, I stressed the importance of stopping the run against the Jets. Miami's defensive line was dominant on Sunday, holding the Jets two tailbacks to just 66 yards on 27 carries - their third consecutive dominant performance against a usually strong running attack. Paul Soliai continues to show he's worth investing a long-term contract in as the team's long-term nose tackle. He continually either ate up two blockers or disrupted the rushing play - making two tackles behind the line of scrimmage as well as sacking Mark Sanchez once.
Kendall Langford, Randy Starks, and Tony McDaniel were also all excellent on Sunday. Langford's one sack and forced fumble, in fact, set the Dolphins up for their only touchdown of the game. If there's one area that we can clearly say that the front office and coaching staff got right, it was building up the defensive line.
Of course, all of the defensive efforts were highlighted by Cameron Wake, who is making a strong case this year for not only being a first-team All-Pro but also a serious Defensive Player of the Year candidate. Wake now leads the league with 14 sacks after coming up with two sacks in a three play span on NY's final possession - the second sack being the game clincher for the Dolphins. Wake also had a tackle for loss on a Brad Smith rush attempt as being one of the two defenders (Channing Crowder the other) to make the stop on the 4th & 1 rush attempt by Shonn Greene.
Other defensive standouts on Sunday included Karlos Dansby, Channing Crowder (yes, the guy so many love to hate) and Sean Smith (who had four passes defensed and probably should have picked off three of them).
Speaking of interceptions, congrats to Nolan Carroll on his first interception. It couldn't have come at a better time - setting up the Dolphins first scoring drive.
I won't deny that the Dolphins were helped by numerous key drops out of these Jet receivers - none bigger than endzone drop by Santonio Holmes. Still, the Jets gained just 18.6 yards per possession. Six of their 15 drives were "three and outs." And nine of their 15 drives failed to even result in 20 net yards of offense - a dominant all-around performance by this Miami defense.
Fields the game's MVP
I honestly cannot remember a game where a punter was the number one star of the game. I can't recall a time in which a punter had this kind of positive impact on a team's success. On Sunday in lousy conditions, Brandon Fields was absolutely brilliant, changing the field position battle in favor of the Dolphins numerous times.
Fields punted ten times for 564 yards (56.4 yard average per punt), averaging a net of just under 50 yards per punt. That is a huge swing in field position. Fields had eight punts from inside his own 25 yard line - including four inside his own 15. But the Jets never had staring position following a Fields punt better than their own 44.
But if you really want to be impressed, just think about these swings in field position:
Punt from own 21...Jets start at own 34
Punt from own 9...Jets start at own 44 (punt fielded at the 30)
Punt from own 13...Jets start at own 41 (punt fielded at the 25)
Punt from own 25...Jets start at own 23
Punt from own 14...Jets start at own 34 (punt fielded at 24)
Punt from own 7...Jets start at own 35
Punt from own 37...Jets start at own 7
Punt from own 24...Jets start at own 30
Punt from own 19...Jets start at own 25
That's how you make up for an inept offense that was forced to punt as often as they were from deep in their own territory.
Offense flat out sucks right now
You could blame it on the weather. But that would be a poor excuse. After all, the Jets still managed 280 yards of offense. The Dolphins squeezed out just 131 - including only six first downs and only three drives of at least 15 yards of offense. In the second half, the offense's longest drive was just 13 yards.
That's pathetic.
Chad Henne looked terrible today. So that makes two awful performances in a row for Henne, who right now looks incompetent. There are no excuses, people. None. He has been wildly inaccurate. Now he's fumbling. He couldn't even fall on a fumble correctly. There isn't much he's doing right.
Frankly, I don't know how anyone can defend him anymore after watching his two performances these last two weeks.
But to put all of the blame on Henne for the offense's ineptitude would be unfair. The running game again failed to get going. The offensive line continues to get no push up front at the point of attack. And the receivers aren't getting open consistently.
Lots of problems on the offensive side of the ball for the Dolphins.
The trip
There's been a lot of talk about the incident that occurred along the Jets sideline during one of Brandon Fields' punts. Nolan Carroll, who is a gunner on the coverage team, was purposely tripped by a member of the Jets' coaching staff. The jackass - uh, I mean culprit - was Jets' head strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi.
You can read all about the incident (and see video) by heading over to any of the numerous South Florida newspaper websites (such as this one).
I don't want to spend too much time on this, though. My one thought is that I hope the guy is suspended without pay for the rest of the season (postseason included) by the Jets. That would be very fair punishment for a guy who is supposed to be a leader and set an example for his players to follow. He could have seriously injured Carroll. In a league where there's so much attention being given to preventing injuries and unnecessary hits, I hope the Jets and the league realize how ridiculous this action was and come down hard on a coach just as they would a player.
QUICK HITS
A few more quick thoughts on Sunday's win:
- I'd be crazy not to highlight the contributions of Reshad Jones and Jonathon Amaya. Both were special teams monsters, with three tackles each. Jones, in particular, is becoming a special teams star. There's a noticeable difference when he's out there compared to when he is not.
- Sean Smith made some excellent pass break-ups. But the kid has got to start catching some of these. Remember that interception in the preseason a year ago - when he used one hand to make the pick? Where are those hands now? Seriously? And why can't any of these defensive backs catch the football?
- Dan Carpenter continues he's excellent season. Those were tough conditions to kick a 47 yard field goal in and he drilled in right down the middle.
- Tony Sparano 3. Rex Ryan 1.
- If this image doesn't put a smile on your face, check your pulse.
- The Dolphins kept their slim playoff hopes alive on Sunday. And slim playoff hopes are better than no playoff hopes.
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How much does losing to Cleveland on that INT hurt now? We'd be the 'last team out' at the moment.
Oh well, we’ve shown we weren’t good enough for the playoffs. On the bright side we have a monster defence shaping up very nicely, and enough decent players on offence that with a good OC and simply average QB play we could be very very good. (and no, I don’t know if Henne can even be average anymore but I’d like to think so) And for as bad as special teams has been at times, we have the best kicker / punter combo in the league.
There’s a lot wrong with this team. But there’s a lot right with it too.
I've been a Henne supporter all year...
but, I think it’s time to pull the plug after the season. If he can’t do anything against the Bills, pull him and put Thiggy in.
Let’s give props to our D-Line coach, Kacy Rodgers. He’s turned them into a dominant force this year.
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Overrated. . .
As a Jets fan I’m not gonna come over here bash you guys because how could I? Neither offense played well in this game, both defenses played great. It was just an ugly game.
All Jets fans are not arrogant and cocky. The diehard(true) Jets fans are pessimistic by nature. I endured the Kotite seasons and the horrible draft picks. I am also very modest by nature and when I played sports I never talked trash. When Ryan was hired as the coach I honestly did not like all his talking. When you talk that much you quickly become an enemy of every team in the league. No one respects the Jets. Fans from other teams loath us and love to beat us. That’s not the kind of team I think can be successful.
So I as a lifelong Jets fan will admit that the team has been overrated all season long. I have been waiting for the ball to drop. I can’t stand losing to the Dolphins but they definitely play with more intensity, your coach doesn’t run his mouth, and your players are held accountable. So good luck for the rest of the season and I don’t know what else to say.
by chrebetsthebet on Dec 13, 2010 5:58 AM EST reply actions 11 recs
wow....what a cool guy
Just one mans opinion...
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by MagicDolphin on Dec 13, 2010 6:15 AM EST up reply actions
2nd One
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by Goon305Boy10 on Dec 13, 2010 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
third!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
oh yeah, now I get it - 2nd classy Jets fan
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
lol
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by Goon305Boy10 on Dec 13, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Good comment dude
You hit the nail on the head. I know some cool Jets fans, but you know the deal ,one bad apple……
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Great post
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by Patssuck456 on Dec 13, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
WOW
He could b the only decent jets fan ive ever met
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by Mr.Phintastic on Dec 13, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
You said it all, my man and rec'd
Love your class and how you truly represent a true Jet fan. My fat cigar is lighting up to you.
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by fin4three5yrs on Dec 13, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
I appreciate it I just wanted other fans(especially Dolphin fans) to know that there are some of us who do not support Ryan’s brashness and arrogance. Any Jet fan who runs their mouth like their team has won 4 super bowls, are usually front runners who joined the fan base last year.
by chrebetsthebet on Dec 13, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah he's just a little too much like that daddy of his if you ask me.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 14, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd!
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Thank you for reminding us what being a fan should really be about.
For the record I have always rooted against the Jets but not all of them. Anyone who doesn’t like Wayne Chrebet doesn’t like football.
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by PhrozenPhish on Dec 13, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Great post
Both teams have great history behind them, and the future to look forward to. Cheers to you, and many great games between the two teams to come!
Wow dude. That is the nicest comment from a jets fan ever so props for being so polite and stand up.
You know there is still time for you to switch sides. I for one would gladly accept you in to the family of Phins fans. Think about it!
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by texascowpunk on Dec 14, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone break down this playoff scenario for me....
I know if the Jets lose 2 then they will lose their spot but what about other 7-6 teams like the Chargers and Colts
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Playoffs looking more hopeful.
Jets tank next three and we win out we are in. Buffalo could end our season next week and extend our season at the end. We just need to take care of business. Go Phins!
We are going to need an offense
To beat New England. Thinking otherwise is blind hope.
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by dolphinfanatic717 on Dec 13, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
maybe SS will have 4 pick-6 and VD will have 2
that would give us 42 points (assuming DC$ is DC$)
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
But...
the Patriots have already clinched a playoff spot, so maybe they will layoff at the end !
Belicheck?!
Gee Wally, I dunno about that.
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lol
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by Mr.Phintastic on Dec 13, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
They would have to clinch home field
To lay down.
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The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Dec 13, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
do we really want to get to the playoffs like that
I would prefer to loose to the Pats then back my way into the playoffs like that. We need to be able to play at their level or we don’t belong.
I love where your heads at Sdelinois
And I agree…not sure we deserve any sniff of the playoffs. And not sure if we’ll even be in contention by week 17. But, I’ll take the playoffs. The way I look at it… never know what happens. We’re a damn good road team.
by Phins4life2334 on Dec 13, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you
But I still want every teams A game. We played toe to toe with the Patriots until the special teams collapsed. Of course that really was all about the defense.
Different Patriots
After their loss to the Browns this has been a whole different squad. IF-and that is a very big if-the playlets are at stake for us I would rather face their backups.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Dec 13, 2010 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have they faced a D this good since, though?
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Pittsburgh and the Jets
Also, Football Outsiders uses a stat that is adjusted for the strength of the defense to rate teams, and by their metric the current Pats offense is as good as the 2007 version, which was the best offense they’ve measured—and I think they have measured back to the nineties at this point. Scary.
Now I hate the Pats, and we almost always play them tough, so I’m not ruling anything out. But I just believe in looking at the situation as honestly as possible, and the honest truth is that the Pats are dominant right now.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Dec 13, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
I agree with you sdelinois. I don’t want to make the playoffs Jets style. I don’t believe that this team deserves to be in the playoffs, but if they got there by beating a full strength Pats team I would change my mind.
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The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Dec 13, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
That kinda talk makes me wanna ralph (no offense Ralph)!
I’ll take getting into thew playoffs any damn way (cheating) possible. That chivalrous attitude don’t work. Just ask Robert E Lee.
By the way, chivalry isn’t dead. It never existed!
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by Tunaflipper on Dec 13, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Shit! (NOT cheating)!
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by Tunaflipper on Dec 13, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
sure a win is a win
But as was said earlier by tunaflipper, BELICHECK!!!it wont happen ,no matter what theyll play 2 win…if we make it to the end. We can always think of how we always play them well,except for our last special teams disaster
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by Mr.Phintastic on Dec 13, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
That's how the Jets got in last year
and they went to the AFC championship game
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Hope will be a factor it it comes to that but.....
If New England locks up home field advantage by then, which they could well do…we might have a repeat of the Indy-Jets game from a year ago….not counting on it but it’s a possibility.
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by PhrozenPhish on Dec 13, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so, in division
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I don't know which is going to cause me an ulcer first...
The offense or S. Smith’s butter hands. That picture of Fireman Douche-bag is great. They have to watch out for Buffalo and Detroit, they are better than their records!
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I have to disagree with Matty on the SS passes defensed count.
I was watching on DVR, and I counted 5 before the replay shut off with about 5 minutes left in the 4th (thanks sweetheart). So when I saw the highlights on ESPN today, he had another hand on a ball with like 1:30 left in the 4th or so.
So that is 6 by my count. Now, I’m not saying he should have caught them all, because some of them would have been miraculous catches. However, he EASILY should have had 3 INTs and a pick 6. I usually don’t mind when a DB drops a pick if it brings up 4th down, bc we get the ball back anyway, albeit with crappier field position. However, can that guy get on a MF-ing juggs machine in practice? If I were the DB coach, SS…nay, all DBs, would finish practice with 100 catches off a juggs machine. Our defense is dominant, but they would be downright scary if they could catch even half of the balls that hit them in the chest and hands this season.
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I believe the official stat was 4 passes defensed.
He’s got 9 total for the season (same as Vontae), so last night was a helluva night for him.
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Also shows how Vontae is basically radioactive as far as most OCs are concerned.
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by PhrozenPhish on Dec 13, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
That was beautiful! (And nerve wrecking as well)
Fields was on fire yesterday. A great punt one after another. He saved us, really. So did our defense.
Let’s not forget Holmes and Cotchery, with the butter hands and the decision of not calling fair catches. It was beautiful to see Rashad Jones hitting Cotchery everytime a punt would be returned, lol.
Did anyone see our offense? Offense is MIA. And I guess I’m officially done with Henne, really. Our O-line didn’t help, but the guy has no confidence at all. If they blitz, please get rid of the ball in a hurry.
Hey ... how about the Shonn Greene injury??
How will that affect our chances at a wild card spot? I mean, will old man LT be able to carry a full load and carry the Jets to the last 4 games without any relief? How about the injury to Woody?? How will that affect their ability to run the ball and pass protect??? I am not worried too much about Sanchez getting out of the funk that he is in right now. How much did we take our own destiny in our hands?
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 13, 2010 7:23 AM EST reply actions
Henne to Hartline.
Maybe Henne’s lackluster play is the result of a MIA Hatline? Seems to me Hartline has a knack to get open on crucial plays. Anyhow our offense did look horrible today, but all the blame should not be put on Henne. WRs did a down right horrible job getting open, and play calling was not much better. Remember the 3and2 with a rb and wr only going out for a pass? Gimme a break, We need everyone to get healthy and bring their A game for next week. Go Phins!
Hartline
For all those that didn’t appreciate that WR. He outside of Bess was the best at adjusting to Henne’s inaccurate passes. He would twist, turn stop, duck take big hits to try and get those passes. Henne rarely sent a good pass Hartlines way but that guy was on most of them. Henne is definately missing him.
by LordBishop34 on Dec 13, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Henne was getting killed out there. HEnne's play had a lot to do with the lack of protection.
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Disagree
That hit where he fumbled and the Jets ended up with it (because RB tried to scoop it instead of falling on it) - that was not a blind side hit — Henne has got to have more pocket awareness than that! He was getting killed, yes, but I’ll bet if you look up all of the other QB ratings and stats of the Jets opponents this season you’ll find that Henne was by far the worst yesterday.
I want so much for Henne to get his act together, but I think he’s going in the opposite direction. I counted 2 good passes in the game with the one being to Fasano down the seam and the other on an out to Bess which Bess dropped.
Nobody hurt a tackler like Zonk did.
by rintintinsoldier on Dec 13, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
And the touchdown...
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You're correct, I forgot that one -- that was a nice throw and it turns out
the most important pass of the game.
Nobody hurt a tackler like Zonk did.
by rintintinsoldier on Dec 13, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
So a free runner is on the QB, not the Line
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The QB needs to see it coming when it's to his open side
Not blaming Henne for getting sacked, but you HAVE to see that guy coming. Shows a lack of pocket awareness — he only sees what’s directly in front of him, and that’s not good!
Nobody hurt a tackler like Zonk did.
by rintintinsoldier on Dec 13, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
That pic is delightful!
Yes our offense looked horrible but hold a few stones back. The Jets D IS good and the weather was bad -which does contribute mightily to making us look bad.
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I would say Rex Ryan knows a thing or two about defense.
Jets D is tough, and last I checked they still have Revis/Cromartie duo. I’lltake the win anyway I can get it.
Nice post all around!
How about the drops that Henne has to deal with again. Bess and Marshall both got the dropsies.
(& Dansby is better that you, too)
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Frankly, I don’t know how anyone can defend him anymore after watching his two performances these last two weeks.
And yet, there were still people on the game thread screaming down anyone who mentioned Henne’s ineptitude. I know the gameday threads get a little ridiculous (okay, very ridiculous), but it gets to the point now where if you point out any flaw in Henne’s game you are tagged as a hater and a traitor.
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by dolphinfanatic717 on Dec 13, 2010 8:22 AM EST reply actions
Maybe it's the repetition, ad nauseam, of the same comments
over and over and over and over again.
As if something new is being brought to bear.
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Valid
But the holier than thou attitude on some on this blog is getting just as old as the Henne hate.
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Dec 13, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
How come Henne doesn't have the support that Sanchez does from the Jets?
The reason is because we are expecting him to be like Dan Marino and they are hoping Sanchez will be better than kellen Clemens. We have to let this young guy develop, Dan Marino in my opinion is the second best QB ever behind Peyton Manning. We can’t expect him to be Dan Marino, and I know he’s not close but we have to give him time, and yesterday against a good Jets D, and a bad O-line and a bad OC it doesn’t help…the kid is young, and I feel like we call for a new QB too quick and other teams let theirs develop and end up with a decent Franchise player…i hate to say the same thing but if he is missing wide open players thats somethign else…but no1 is open and he has no time and our WR’s do drops some balls…having no run game either certainly doesn’t help his chances or even a screen game to help get his momentum going…lets try and take the positives out of thise game, atleast he didn’t throw an INT for the first time in a long time
Sanchez or as I like to call him sancheese
Still had 200+ yards even with his team dropping lots of balls. Hell they dropped one wide open in the end zone.
I hate to say this but Henne is not at the same level as Sanchez.
Yes
But we expect him to improve. He is regressing. His performance the last two weeks has been atrocious. I’m not expecting him to be like Marino. I never watched this team during the Marino area. I’m expecting him to improve and become a good player.
And really, what is wrong with expecting your QB to become elite? I am not content to deal with mediocre to poor QBs. I am not content to cheer for a loser. I want my team to go elite, so yes, I will hold my QB to a high standard. I have some patience for growing pains, and I was on the “it’s all Henning’s fault” bandwagon… but quite frankly I can’t find any positives in Henne’s play, and the problems go beyond playcalling.
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by dolphinfanatic717 on Dec 13, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Its tough to compare Sanchez to Henne when they play eachother because...
Sanchez throws a screen to Cotchery for 1 yard and Cotchery makes 3 defenders miss and turns it into 14 yards…Henne throws a screen and its dropped…Sanchez has a lot more time to throw as his O-line is def better than ours…and at this point right now the Jets have better Corners with Revis and Cromartie…not to mention Sanchez’s numbers would look wayyyyyyyy worse had Sean Smith not soaked his gloves in Olive Oil before the game…my point is both are young qbs and I think Sanchez has a lot more to work with given that his OL gives him a lot of time to throw the ball and the OC calls for easy passes that have potential for big YAC. We played a good defense, in horrible conditions and we won and for once Henne throw a pick (althought that fumble killed me as it took 3 pts off the board atleast!)…just trying to stay positive bc after a win we should think of the glass half full and we beat a 9-3 team in their stadium and better yet it was the Jets…lets focus on Bills, and honestly if he can’t bounce back vs Buffalo at home vs a hurt secondary then I will agree that I will have eventually jumped on the get a new QB bandwagon, but im not there yet as I would like to see him play under a better OC with a better o-line that can run the ball and guards that can actually pull which is why i have been advocating for a new OG/C this draft as our first rd pick and trade back a few spots to get a 2nd rounder back and draft another o-lineman. Focus the entire draft on o-line, and then Tight End and RB in rounds after 3…im kind of high on this guy Stanzi from Iowa and love his numbers and intangibles especially in a run first offense
Mich fan here
I get the Big Ten network and had the opportunity to watch a few Iowa games. I think Stanzi could make a pretty good QB. Also the kid from Mich
St aint that bad either, Kirk Cousins, Plays mistake free football and puts the ball where it needs to be.
There is no such thing as a Pro Style offense in College.
Taking snaps from center does not make a pro style offense.
Not to mention, there isn’t a single College team that runs a Pro Style Defense, so the looks you see are completely new when you enter the league….
Its an overused term unfortunately.
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LOL You should do a post on overused sports terms again.
It seems like there are always new ones popping up every year.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 14, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think Henne would sell a testicle for Mangold.
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There are jets fans calling for Sanchez's head
He has played poorly and a benching seems possible in the future. But Sanchez has been and is the best QB on there roster. Up until CP10 hurt himself again Henne was not. There are some that believe Thigpen deserves a longer look than that Bears game, a fair person would probably agree. Jets have had a long look at Clemens, he is definitly not the answer. Sanchez did earn the starting job, Henne did not. He was given it. The situations are different.
Alot of hopes were pinned on Henne, they were not fair and he is not holding up well under them. Yes there are definitly other problems within the offense, but Henne’s play especially currently is a big part of what is wrong.
by LordBishop34 on Dec 13, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think of the two of them right now Sanchez is the one with bigger confidence issues.
He looked broken at the end of the game.
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by PhrozenPhish on Dec 13, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think they're both tied
in the confidence ratings at the bottom of the league (or at least the bottom 10% — you can probably throw Clausen in there and maybe Orton after the last couple of games)
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by rintintinsoldier on Dec 13, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Marino I would settle if he played like Alex Smith.
Your kidding right, this guy only sees the no 1 receiver and follows him everywhere, he never looks to his second and third reads even when he has time. And god forbid if they are open because he will throw it at their feet. This guy is done. We need to move on, I dont know know what is worse, Dancing Ronnie in the backfield or incompetent Henne.
No Dog, no one will mistake Henne for Marino.
Henne had no doubters before this season started and his play isn’t being predicated on a 1 game basis. Both Henne and Sanchez has deficiencies that should be fundamental for a NFL qb. Time to stop making excuses, because excuses only stunt improvement.
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by fin4three5yrs on Dec 13, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Shake it off 717, continue to be honest with yourself, and no matter if you are the only one
taking the hard road and the others continue on the seemingly easy road, stay on your course because it would lead to a much truer and rewarding outcome. BTW, I know you love the fins.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Dec 13, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Nolan Carroll
I think he handled the whole tripping incident with an admirable professionalism. He deserves a lot of credit for not making a huge fuss out of it. Bravo.
^This
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by dolphinfanatic717 on Dec 13, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
He said if there's a fine, he would like to have the money.
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LOL That seems fair.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 14, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Henne still sucks
Henne still sucks and the offense is still ineffectual. The two scores were both a result of defensive plays on an interception and a fumble recovery. We still need to go QB shopping in the off-season. Henne is not the QB to lead the Dolphins to a championship.
If the D had not
Put us in a position to score, we probably would not have scored. I bet the only reason Henne may start next week is because we ended up winning this game. THis performance was worse then Thiggys in so many ways.
by LordBishop34 on Dec 13, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Damn Darth, lets ride the win and try to see if fate gives us a playoff game.
These issues can get resolved at the end of the season or once we know this season’s fate.
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by fin4three5yrs on Dec 13, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Darth
There’s like 5 threads already sayin’ that he sucks. If we could keep them all in one thread I would really appreciate it. Lets GO GREEN with our comments. What’s going to happen when we run out of landfills, because of useless comments?
Running game
I think it’s the other way around. I think the running game is suffering the same problem as last year. Eight in the box. Hard to run on that. I was hopping that Marshall would have taken care of that but it seems we can’t find him the ball either. The offense is pitiful and I have lost all respect and hope for Henne.
The part that bugs me the most is that with less than 3 minutes to go in the game Henne is snapping the ball with 10 second on the play clock. Come on this doesn’t require any skill or experience. Can’t blame a tough Jets defense on that either.
I have resisted but we have to bring in some change at QB. Even if it means losing because Thiggy throws some interceptions. It’s time to give the other guy a chance… really can he do any worse.
I'd put money
On Sal Alosi getting a slap on the wrist at most. If that. New York teams are immune to discipline (see Braylon Edwards DUI, missing one quarter).
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Dec 13, 2010 8:33 AM EST reply actions
Hopefully, that's where Goodell steps in
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Ronnie Brown = DUI
Braylon Edwards at least sat out one quarter. What happened with Ronnie Brown? Also props on Vontae for shutting down Braylon for most of the game.
Great win Fins!! Great Write up Matty...
I don’t see how people can say Henne sucks when our Offensive Gameplan was to gain 10 yards and punt. I think Henne looked handcuffed all night in the passing game, and our O-Line is not suited to maul our way down the field in a Running battle. If you count how many times we only sent out 2 WR’s for routes you would be on your toes by the end of the first half. Get off the Henne hate bandwagon, he took some big shots last night and he’s still ticking. He may not have the “it” factor right now but he doesn’t get many chances to show “it” and hey, we beat the Jets.
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sooner or later you have to take off the blinders
Do you think CP10 would have done a better job yesterday? Then the next question is do you think CP10 is a franchise QB? So if your responses are the same as mine you can deduce that Henne is not a franchise QB.
For god sake he can’t even milk the clock right. This may be nit picking but it’s just another one of many examples.
SO my question to you guys is who do you expect to protect this, new shining star you guys keep wanting.
THere is no one in FA and No way in hell were able to move up in the draft. You might as well face it. Were stuck with Henne for better or worsr until at least after next season. Get him a line a RB and a deep threat like sanchez and see how much better he can play. Than if he still fails then he needs to go.
by D0lphins4Life on Dec 13, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
until at least after next season.
What makes you think we will have the trading power then? Btw do do have the power to trade up this year. Sorry to inform you of this.
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I was wondering if anyone saw this to.
For god sake he can’t even milk the clock right.
Pathetic
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andrew Luck or Ryan Mallett 1st Round. Make it Happen. No excuses.
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I think the Jets D had more to do with the bad offense than Henne.
If we had a solid #2 TE the offense would move a lot better. Was Martin really that bad? The middle of the fiel is usually open against the Jests because they blitz so much and Fasano and R&R have to stay in to block. Hell line hilliard up as a 2ndTE so that Fasano can get out!
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55 yards passing
You guys need to wake up. You’re dreaming if you think the jets defense is the reason Henne is performing so poorly. You just have a different excuse every week.
Sparano has pretty much said that next year we’re going in a different direction. He is more invested in Henne than any of us. At this point I would just like to go down swinging with Thigggy than with Henne’s 55 yards.
If Henne isn't good enough (He is sucking out loud right now) then play him and see if he improves. If he doesn't, then our draft position will.
Let go of this idea that Thigpen is worth starting. He is not a starting QB and never really has been. Could Thigpen do better than Henne right now? Of course. What will it get us if he goes in? Not enough wins for the playoffs, a lesser draft position, and absolutely no chance that Henne can even be significant next season. This means we will get a QB in the draft that is no better than Henne but will look better after being rushed into the starting role under a new OC.
Henne is playing like garbage this month, but there is no sense in benching him now. The playoffs are a pipedream at best and we need a firm idea of our priorities for the offseason.
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by TheFinReaper on Dec 13, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
You're a walking contradiction
On one hand you say Thiggy would do better and that Henne is finished as a starting QB. So Thiggy can only get us more wins but not enough for the playoffs.
I have not given up on this year. With this defense we can accomplish a lot but we need a little more offense.
The O-line is at fault...
Why is Henne panicking in the pocket and R&R not able to run? The O-line! This is where Ireland looks stupid. I would have brought Grove back already! But not out Hardheaded parcells wannabe!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
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I agree they botched up the O-line
Yes the O-line is banged up, the WR group is banged up, the weather was bad. But 55 yards passing and 2 fumbles. And the part that pisses me off the most was how he snapped the ball with 10 seconds to go on the play clock consistently on that last drive. Someone explain to him those seconds add up.
I'm not giving Henne a free pass, but I think the problem starts at the O-line.
Look at Henne when he had time against Oakland, and look at him when he plays blitzing D’s (Bears, Jets, etc.) He panics and just flings it! He can not learn behind this patchwork line. Also, hang some of the 55 yards on the receivers, they dropped too many passes yesterday!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
Not necessarily, he needs to compete every year.
I’m not a hug Henne fan, but what I saw yesterday was not all his fault…The Cleveland game was. He is inconsistent and probably should be on a sideline holding a clipboard, but I believe he is the best QB we have this year! I’m not sold on Thiggy, If he was a solid starter he would have beat out Cassel in KC.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
I'm not sold on Thiggy either
But the season is all but finished. We might sneak our way into the playoffs but even if we do we will just get crushed with the offense we have now.
We need change right now… And really the only thing we can change NOW is the QB. Give Thiggy the last 3 games to show us what he can do because we already know what Henne can do and I’m not impressed. Either way our QB is probably not on this team but I’d like to go down swinging.
I say run the Wildcat exclusively and let Brown run and pass...
Hell, he can’t be any worse than 55 yards! I know this sounds crazy, but I’d consider it.
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Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
now i know you're crazy
I won’t even bother with you anymore.
Was the Wildcat productive yesterday? I thought so!
3 or 4 yards a pop, I’ll take that over Incompletions and interceptions. Look at how the offense moved against the Texans when we had no QB in the 3rd Q. I’m not crazy, I’m an outside of the box guy. Our base offense stinks!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
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wilcat averaged 3 yards a run yesterday
Regular running play averaged 3.4 yards. What do you think is more effective?
Wildcat
because they don’t stay up long enough to fumble!
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MOre reason to start Thiggy
I think we saw enough in this game to know exactly what would have happened had the coach gone with Henne in the Bears game. He had more time in this game, then Thiggy did and he still managed to toss some bad passes and take several sacks.
by LordBishop34 on Dec 13, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Lol, I'd rather see Brandstater than Thigpen
At least Brandstater hasn’t proven consistently that he fails hard.
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THe way were playing we can still have a chance in the playoffs. Look what the Ravens did with Dilfer.
We just need to stop third and 13++++++ and catch the ball when it hits our secondary in the hands.
by D0lphins4Life on Dec 13, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently I wasn't clear enough
You’re a walking contradiction On one hand you say Thiggy would do better and that Henne is finished as a starting QB. So Thiggy can only get us more wins but not enough for the playoffs
1) I never said Henne was done as a starter.
2) Here is the exact line with bold for emphasis “Could Thigpen do better than Henne right now? Of course.”
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by TheFinReaper on Dec 13, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
F*in computer posted when I pressed preview.
2) Countinued…. I meant that the way Henne is playing right now. Bear in mind we are talking about Henne’s two worst games included a rain-soaked meadowlands game where he was still the highest rated QB on the field.
3) If Thiggy can’t get us into the playoffs then why play him? He isn’t going to be our starter so what is the point of pulling Henne now? Let Henne show us if he really wants the job and if he doesn’t our draft position will improve and we will know exactly what priorities to address in the draft. Henne hasn’t started two full seasons yet and we are already wanting to cut him loose altogether.
4) How much of yesterday wasn’t Henne’s fault? My dad was reeady to crucify Henne when he tried running for a first down but what other option did he have? The only receivers to go out were Bess and Marshall and both were covered tight within 5 yards. Fasano and Ronnie were on the left side of the line blocking NOBODY! Once again Henning calls a third down play with only two pass options and 5 DBs on the field! That doesn’t fall on Henne. Henne completes his most beautiful pass of the day (Not counting the one Bess dropped that hit him in his hands) to Fasano and is immediately pulled off of the field so that Henning can go to the wildcat. We have been bitching for most of Henne’s starting career that Henning needs to knock off the wildcat crap when Henne makes big plays and just let him stay in his groove but Henning keeps calling plays that break up the offense’s momentum. If we ran a no-huddle offense he would call for a wildcat play just soo he could take personnel off the field and slow things down.
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by TheFinReaper on Dec 13, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I guess CLEVELAND is another one of those powerhouse defenses!!
Another brilliant reason why HENNE SUCKS.
FYI, Cleveland’s defense is ranked 22nd!!!
Cleveland's D pantsed Brady and Brees
Can’t be too bad.
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If we had a solid TE that could get open, we wouldn't be in this mess.
There is a saying UF uses. If one guy goes down, another guy stands up.
Hartline did this:
BM goes down @ CHI
Hartline is amazing in OAK
Hartline beats everyone deep @ CLE, but no completion (Henne fault)
Fasano didn’t:
Hartline goes to IR
Fasano nowhere to be found.
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Your talking about 2 different positions
Fasano has been most effective when he has a true receiving tight end playing next to him (David Martin). It’s ridiculous to try and put the blame on our only starting caliber tight end. Hartline has nothing to do with Fasano.
After BM went down in the CHI game the receiving core as a whole stepped up and had an amazing game. Specifically Davone Bess who had the best day out of all of them, but to put things in perspective Oakland had a beat up secondary. It was Nmamdi Asomugha’s first game back from an ankle injury and the rookie on the other side couldn’t cover fo shit.
CLE game he did beat the rookie deep on that one play, but for the most part Haden was lockdown all day.
So pretty much there i don’t see the correlation between Hartline going on IR and Fasano having to step up in his place. Last time I checked when a receiver goes down, another receiver steps up. So that would be the undrafted rookies Wallace and Moore, but you can’t really put them at fault for anything especially since they went up against on of the top secondaries in the league.
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that's why I think that Fasano should have stepped up.
Someone has to make up for Hartline’s production and their own production. Is it going to be Bess? Unlikely because of Revis. Is it BM? Unlikely because of the double team. Is it going to be a UDFA? no way. Is it going to be Fasano, who is going up against the backup SS since the Jets are blitzing? He should have exploited the backup. Also, Henning should have noticed them blitzing and call a few quick passes like a slant.
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YOU think Fasano should have stepped up
that doesn’t mean he is at fault for the offensive struggles. Fasano has shown he can be effective with a pass catching tight end complimenting him. Also he may have been a backup to Leonhard but dont get it twisted, Brodney Pool is a starting safety in the NFL so I dont get all that exploiting nonsense.
And Bess replaced Hartline as the starting #2, so that means Wallace and Moore are next up, but they raw undrafted rookies and much cant be expected.
also the Jets blitz everyday of the week, thats nothing new, they did it last year and I dont see what the difference is now.
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The difference is that last year and this year we had three good WR to get the ball to.
Who else is there that could possibly step up? Moore? Wallace? That is unfair to ask of them. Bess couldn’t be it because he gets so many snaps in a game that he is basically a starter, so he’d have to have a career day to make up for Hartline’s production against Revis.
@ Did I mention that Revis is kinda good? YOu know some might call him ‘shutdown’?.@
Should Brown step up in the passing game? Williams? Henning hasn’t used our backs right since 08. Polite? I will seriously ‘LOL’ if you say the FB should have stepped up. Fasano? That is a possible concluesion, since the guy across from him is a backup. Shuler? Mastrud? Both UDFAs see Moore and Wallace. Epps? Just got on the 53, unreasonable. Seems like Fasano
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Huh?
The difference is that last year and this year we had three good WR to get the ball to.
Yea and the Jets have 2 corners that can cover
Who else is there that could possibly step up? Moore? Wallace? That is unfair to ask of them.
Hello! Thats what I’ve been saying this whole time. They are raw undrafted rookies but unfortunately thats the rest of the depth we have at receiver. When a receiver goes down thats whats left to step up. I’m not saying that have to come in and ball out but thats all there is right now.
Bess couldn’t be it because he gets so many snaps in a game that he is basically a starter, so he’d have to have a career day to make up for Hartline’s production against Revis.
Umm Bess was the starter against the Jets. Anyway, a CAREER DAY to make up for Hartlines production against Revis? What the hell are you talking about??? A career day for Bess was against the Pats last year where he had 10 catches for 117 yards, Hartline has never done that in his career, so why would Bess need to do that to “make up” for Hartlines absence? Hartline wasn’t going to do anything notable against Cromartie or Revis anyway so all that is ridiculous
@ Did I mention that Revis is kinda good? YOu know some might call him ‘shutdown’?.@
fail. smh
Should Brown step up in the passing game? Williams? Henning hasn’t used our backs right since 08. Polite? I will seriously ‘LOL’ if you say the FB should have stepped up. Fasano? That is a possible concluesion, since the guy across from him is a backup. Shuler? Mastrud? Both UDFAs see Moore and Wallace. Epps? Just got on the 53, unreasonable. Seems like Fasano
Why are you asking running backs to replace a receiver? Why are you asking a FB to replace a receiver? Even better why are asking a tight end to replace a receiver? Heres an Idea..how about you replace a receiver with a receiver! :D
once again Wallace and Moore is all we had left but due to their inexperience they are not ready to come in an flat out ball. This is why the Dolphins signed Kevin Curtis, to replace a receiver with a receiver..hmm that sounds like a good idea dont you think?
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Dez Bryant...enough said
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Bess wouldn't have to just make up for Hartline, but he must produce for Bess and Hartline.
I was going through every single skills position to see who could step up. Ronnie is a very good receiver and if we put him in the slot, he wouldn’t be too bad. Too bad Henning never motions guys. the last time i remember him doing that a lt was when BM went off against the jets the last time.
Typically when a team signs a guy midseason, that guy isn’t going to light it up. Seriously, you think we should go into the game asking any of those three WRs to step up? Since we can’t, we have to look for other parts of the offense for a passing attack. Let me let you into a secret, even though Henning would like you to think the opposite, TEs are receivers as well as running backs. Hence the terms receiving TE and 3rd down back / scat back.
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Brandon Fields
The guy has a leg, thats for sure… but with some of the long punts I think he may be out kicking his coverage, allowing for a return. I don’t want to take anything away from him, he is a great punter, and love the 69 yd punts. I just would like him convert some of the distance yardage into hang time yardage.
I know with swirly winds and everything its tough, but with the inconsistency of the ST this year I cringe every time there is a returnable punt.
The Patriots Suck
Let's be honest
Why not try Thigpen this week as quarterback? How on earth could he be any worse than Henne? I know Hartline is out, but come on, Henne looks mentally and physically challenged out there. He’s clumsy, slow-footed, and dim witted. At least Thigpen can move around.
i second that
And I’m not one that was calling for Thiggy all year long. But lets go down swinging.
Put in Thiggy and give him 2 games to get comfortable before we play the Patriots. If he fails he fails it’s time to give him a chance.
As for Henne I think he is a great backup QB and he will improve over time. Let’s bring in a new QB and let them fight it out for a new offensive coordinator.
No he has to play out this is his softmore year he will be better for it. this unit is playing well as a group in the W-L collum
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 13, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
again the whole offense sucked, not sure why Henne’s being singled out. Against Browns ok, but today?
That sack and fumble from Pace was such comedic blocking on our part. Henne tried to throw it but didn’t even get a chance to do that. We averaged 3.4 yards per carry between Brown and Ricky (and also a fumble, i am sure Henne’s fault too). Heck even Bess had drops.
This was more or less as bad as the Bears game, but again most defended Tyler and said (maybe rightly so) the whole offense sucked. The whole offense sucked today, plain and simple.
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Agree...Get some blockers, then evaluate the QB
Peyton Manning looks like crap when he eats the turf all game.
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The reason we sucked was Henne.
We could not run the ball because they had 8 in the box all day.
So what are you supposed to do when they have 8 in the box. Quick slants, dump offs, screens any type of quick pass that can beat the blitz.
Hey we did the same thing to them and they only got 6 points. The difference in this game was the jets early turnovers gifted our offense 10 points. If it wasn’t for that we would had 0 points.
But the jets at least got 6 points and 200+ yards passing. I would have been happy with 150 yards passing but we got 55 yards.
What, go with Thiggy?
If he was the savior, he would have put at least a TD on the Bears…The QB position will suck in Miami until the O-line improves! Maybe Smiley, Thomas, Grove kinda weren’t as replaceable as the quitter and his lapdog thought!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
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beleive it or not he did better
Thiggy with a short week to prepare, an even more banged up line moved the team better.
I don’t think Thiggy is the savior here but if you don’t change anything why would you expect any different results. Put Thiggy out there with a full week to prepare and against lesser talent than the Bears and see what he can do. If we lose we lose at least lets go down swinging.
He can't throw when he's on the ground...These guys can't block!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
how do you explain the begining of the year
When everyone raved about how much time he had.
That seems like years ago, these guys are finished as a unit.
They have to have a solid, mean center to tie it all together! Either draft or FA, but get a guy that wants to rip someone’s head off like Grove, but not injury prone!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
I'm glad you've given up
But us die hard fans don’t give up so easily. As far as I’m concerned the way this defense is playing we can beat anyone. We just need an average performance from our offense.
Let’s make some changes and see what happens. Edison tried thousands of times making thousands of changes before he got the light bulb to work.
I'm not giving up, we can finish with a 10-6 record and a wildcard
but the o-line that we have is finished, New linemen have to be acquired.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
If I were GM
I would move up and draft a QB what ever it takes. then get Centers and Guards in FA and draft. But that won’t help us on Sunday.
No we have to live with what we have...
That’s why I like the Wildcat because the line goes off balance and pulls. You get Long moving to the middle and he makes holes for Ronnie to hit.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
If Thiggy comes in, I'd still run a form of the wildcat because he can run
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
wilcat sucks
It averaged 3.0 yards per run. Not counting the pass for an incompletion. Regular running plays averaged 3.4.
Now I’m no genius but I’ll take 3.4 over 3.0 plus the threat of the pass and play action any day.
glad you are not GM, because that's a good way
to ruin the last 3 years of the process we’ve been going through…
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So what's our problem on offense
and what would you do to fix it?
When this season ends, hand Dan Henning his pink slip...
Would like to see McCoy from Denver end up here, or maybe Garrett from Dallas if they don’t keep him.
Trade back some spots and get our 2nd round pick back.
1st round, OL or CB.
2nd round, OL
3rd round, RB
4th round, WR
5-7th round, QB somewhere in there
Now this all matters on who we deal, whether it be Ronnie, or Thigpen. Brandstater could be a viable backup, and then we have someone for the future if Henne doesn’t workout in the new scheme of things.
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Mike McCoy?
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yeah
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"The only difference between dissapointment and depression is your level of comittment."
although after watching the arizona game...
i’m having 2nd thoughts
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I don't know if you noticed this
But last years draft was all defense. They just did not bring in Nolan and poof everything was better.
Edds and Odrick are out
Misi is playing exceptional as a rookie. Caroll is just getting acclimated. Yeah, it pretty much is Mike Nolan doing the lifting.
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remember Dansby, Misi, Clemons
Those are 3 new starters not including Odrick who got hurt. They went into this season changing 4 starters on the defense. That’s a lot of change. 36% of the defensive starters were changed.
I get that
But you were referencing the draft in your initial post. You also forgot Wake.
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thanks for reminding me
But what I said was
“I would move up and draft a QB what ever it takes. then get Centers and Guards in FA and draft. "
I’m a believer in fixing holes and not creating new ones. Henne will make a great backup and we also need a veteran like CP10, Kitna or someone that is ok but with good experience.
Then move up and get some Luck. Yeah I know it’s crazy but this team is close.
Let the QB’s fight it out and see who starts next year
I think they drafted what they needed...
just happened to be we need a lot on Defense…
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thats the plan
CB in the first round? whatever
Lets get rid of Ronnie and replace him with a 3rd rounder.
and those 5-7rd QB are really going to be the answer for us.
You guys are on some other planet.
You say the hole is OL and that henne can’t be judged unless he has a good offensive line but you only spend 2 picks on the problem and trade Ronnie which by the way we can’t because he is an unrestricted free agent as is Thigpen.
Why do I even bother?
Don't lump us together
That’s his post.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
:)
yikes.
I’m just trying to suggest changes that would improve this offense.
I feel we need to upgrade the O-Line and QB. RB, TE and WR are good enough. Sure I would like upgrades there too but there are only so many moves we can make.
Priority 1 is QB and then C and G. after that everything else is bonus time.
Unfortunately Ronnie is the most expendible and has the most value...
A McCluster type running back is not far fetched for the 3rd round, and would provide another spark for this offense if the running game is lacking. QB is not a necessity with a new OC. I’m sorry but Henne has the tools to air it out if needed, we just need an OC with a brain to scheme it. If Henning for whatever reason stays, then I guess we will have to start looking. I would be pretty mad if that happened.
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"The only difference between dissapointment and depression is your level of comittment."
Ronnie is expendable
But 1: No one wanted to trade a 3rd for him
2. He’ll be a UFA after the season. We couldn’t trade him if we tried.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
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We need a qb and no one is getting younger on this
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Dec 13, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
We got Cs and Gs the way you said, and now we have one of the worst OLs in the league
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
so what would you do?
The O-Line sucks. But lets not get any new lineman. Our QB sucks but lets not get a new QB.
Because at least Henne is merely inconsistent
The Line is consistently terrible.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
and a new qb.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Dec 13, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
the reason there are c's & g's on the market, is cuz they are low in IQ. effish-ency
Tallent if you will they make mental mistak’s & get your 10 million dollor RB. & 15 million dollor QB. killed. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 13, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
In last couple of years
We had always 8 men in box, always, but we ran the ball well. Our OL is simply one of the worst in the league now.
I am not saying Henne played well, but every week that’s all people notice. The OL has played poor all year. Ronnie, Marshall, Crowder all have played poor most games. Yesterday was clearly a complete screw up by the whole offense, why this exclusive hate to Henne?
I think the ironic thing is people forget why we created WC, because our offense couldn’t move the ball with Penny. Yes Henne has better WRs, but Penny had a much better OL.
We also saw Thiggy. 3 QBs. Same bad offense. Maybe it’s not the QB to blame now, is it? ( hint: same OC)
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Because it's easy
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
Don't blame Thiggy
The guy had 3 days to prepare for a playoff team while his O-line was more of a patchwork that it usually is,
Now I don’t think he is our answer at QB either but the change up might be the spark we need.
Meanwhile we have no problem with Henne sucking 2 weeks in a row and for that matter all year long.
ACtually they were
developing the WC before Pennington was signed. They didn’t know Penne was going to be on the team when the WC was first being put together. CP10 could move the team without the WC, he had a good season. Remember the Wilcat we run generally takes the QB out of the game. Its not like defenders were setting up for the wildcat with CP10 under center, they had to defend the pass. THe Wildcat was a nice thing to help the running game get going and make alot of use out of two starting RBs. But CP10 could move the ball regardless, and with weaker receivers. The WC help out alot that year, but CP10 was still good regardless of it.
CP10 was a better QB then Henne, so I don’t think he should be brought in to try and defend Henne. WE saw thiggy thrown out to the wolves and given no support. Almost everything was worse for Thiggy in the bears game then it was for Henne in this Jets game, outside of QB play itself. Thiggy started one game as a Dolphin, in a bad sitation that got worse during the game. Henne has had many starts and games to form an opinion about him.
by LordBishop34 on Dec 13, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
They didn't use the WC until Week 3
When Sparano told Lee to do something, anything. Because we were 0-2 under everyone’s favorite recent savior.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
IT was developed during the preseason however
He moved the team fine in the first game we didn’t win. The second game didn’t go well. He has won games when the WC was not always effective. WC helped him, but the WC was to make the running game more effective. CP10 was a good QB that put together a fine year with not the greatest receiver core one could have. He helped make the WC effective, because he played his part protected the ball made the good passes and helped us win the games.
CP10 is not god he is not an Elite QB. But he was a good QB derailed by some serious shoulder issues. He helped this team and played well for it and deserves a hell of alot more respect then Henne does.
by LordBishop34 on Dec 13, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I am not criticizing Penny, but as Farorefox said, we only used WC in week 3 because our offense sucked. Our offense has sucked with Penny, with Henne, with Thiggy.
I keep saying what do we have to lose trying a different OC, then making a decision on whether players are good or not?
Lets look at the D, Solai is a great example, did anyone think he will play this good? Clemons? even Wake. Everyone (and rightly so) is giving credit to Nolan.
We ALL agree Henning sucks. Get a new OC and then lets re-evaluate Henne and others.
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Tyler did not play well in the bears game
But the Oline was worse in that game and the running game was abandoned. THe running game was used all game long last night even though it was not producing alot. Thigpen was left to do everything for the O in the Bears game. It would have been alot worse had Henne played I will stick to that, and I think games like last night back up that idea. ALso the D didn’t play as well either. Henne had some great field positions that Thiggy could only have dreamed of in that bears game.
Again I am not saying Thigpen is the answer, but he deserves a longer look. Henne has played himself out of the starters role.
IF the D had not set us up so well in this game, played great and made those ten points enough the discussion about who would be starting next week would be an easy one. But it is hard to bench your starter when the game was technically won, even if it is the right decision.
by LordBishop34 on Dec 13, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Does Fireman Ed have herpes?
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
???????????????What????????????
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
Sorry, but the average Jets fan hasn't been mouthy or arrogent.
Look at the debate over the past few weeks at GGN. We’ve been really split on the fact that the Jets are barely beating bad teams and losing to not bad teams. I mean if you have a defense then we won’t score a TD on you plane and simple. Also, Snachez will gift wrap you some picks even if Sean Smith declines them on delivery alot of the time.
Fortunately, our schedule has been fairly soft this year to cover for our offensive (Coaching) woes. I know you guys understand the OC woes. I’d find it funny if we finished with the same record at the end of the season, which is entirely possible as both sides have talked trash all season and it seems to be a wash at this point.
Our coach, being mouthy and arrogent is another story.
It’s all fine with us until they stop coaching and keep talking as it’s just embarrassing. Oh and if you want to pillowcase our Strength and Conditioning coach and beat him with socks full of bars of soap I don’t think we’d have a problem with that either as not one person has tried to justify that classless idiots actions.
That's the culture that Rex has created.
Rex will be gone in another year. He runs his mouth and the team falls short. With his talking anything less than a S.B. victory is failure!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
Some thoughts...
8 in the box: I think a lot of that had to do with the way the Jets play D and our formations rather than Henne’s ineptitude. Revis is manned up a lot with safety help to the other side (if there is even another receiver). We played a lot of one and two receiver sets.
Thiggy: Thigpen hasn’t done anything that makes me think that he can do better than Henne with this offense and OC. I’m not sold on Henne, he still has a lot to work on. But I would rather win than lose for the sake of seeing what Thiggy’s got.
OL: Every seems to assume that Grove/Smiley/Thomas would have been the same this year as last year. Smiley played 5 games and is out, Thomas has been on the Lions for 3 games and hasn’t played, Grove is still not playing for anybody. Yeah our three interior linemen aren’t as good as last years, but apparantly last years would have been worse.
by christiandolfan on Dec 13, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thank you...
I commend you, these are the key points of why Henne is inconsistent. Icognito, Berger, McQuistan are not maulers, therefore we are losing on our Running Game. The experience they are getting right now is priceless, and after a full offseason I think they will be better starters. You know Sparano will go out and draft linemen, he always does. These guys are healthier, and hopefully John Jerry can shake the injury bug because I think he will be good too. Thiggy is definitely not the answer and more then likely won’t be at all. Hard to get any type of offense going with a High School gameplan.
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I've been converted
Henne is the future of this team. He will turn it around and show us he is a great leader an accurate passer.
All those nay sayers will be proven wrong because he just needs more time.
I'd keep Berger and Incognito as backups, but drop McFAIL
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How sick is the D line gonna be next year????
They’re playing great now – merling back is a big plus, soliai and mcdaniel have been stepping up, langford is a monster, and then add Odrick and another year of experience for Misi, it’s gonna be sweet. Wake is gonna have an even bigger year!!
Gotta sign a lot of guys to keep it intact..
Soliai, McDaniels are FAs next year at least, not sure about others..
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hey guys we forgot something
Although our offense looked bad, Brandon Marshall found the end zone and that’s the one thing I really picked up from the game as well as the defense. Hopefully we will see more of Marshall for the final 3 games
Cam Wake = Terry Tate.
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LOL!!!
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I love our guys, always having each others' backs
It seems like we’ve got a good chemistry going on. Nolan Carrol is a rookie, and he doesn’t even have to react to getting tripped because he knows there’s 52 other guys who would fight anyone in his defense.
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HENNE=Bad QB
Guy did the same crap @ MIchigan….showed glimpses early in career, then was just medicore rest of his tenure there. He lost his starting spot to frosh start of his senior year.
Let the qb search start over again.
HENNE is comparable to who….??? He might the worst qb in the league, serious…think about it. Delhomme who might be worse beat Henne in his own crib….A smith? Fizpatrick is better…
I used to think Henning was the problem
But now I think he’s just a bad play caller. Henne is the real problem.
......
Henne<Fitzpatrick
Henne<Kitna
Henne<Stafford
Henne<Delhomme (not by much)
Henne<Palmer(even tho hes playing like crap)
Henne<Campbell(who i dont care for either)
Henne<Freeman
Henne<Garrard
Henne<Mcnabb(worst year)
Henne<Hasselbeck(hes done too)
Henne<Orton
Henne<Anderson
Henne<Cutler
Henne<Sanchez(pains me to admit)
Henne<Cassel
Henne<Kitna….
Henne might be the worst qb in the league, along with tavarris, A smith, carolina qb…
sad, very SAD
do not even mention the elite qb’s like Rivers, manning, Brady, Rothlisberger, etc….
On what metric are you basing this on?
Otherwise I don’t know how you came up with this list?
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"The only difference between dissapointment and depression is your level of comittment."
Probably just looked up a list of NFL QB's
Wow, I looked at that list and hate to say it, but you are probably correct.
There are not many QB’s worse than Henne!!
Even if you want to argue about 2 or 3 on the list, I would say at best he is in the bottom 20% of QB’s. AND he is getting WORSE rather than better.
I challenge anyone to find a QB with 2 worse games in a row this season in the NFL!!!!
No quantitative method here sir....
Just going off of a list qb’s I would rather have than Henne RIGHT NOW, TODAY.
Not saying much, and could argue some of those, however there can be no arguement with saying Henne is in the lower 10% of qb’s in the league….Really. Who would you rather have for next week?
Crap, Id rather have K collins for next week, than Henne…
I mean until you guys realize that there is something inherently wrong in our Offensive system...
it’s a moot point. Our Running game is sub par, our WR’s can’t get adequate separation, our offensive line can’t create proper windows for Henne to throw through. Take a look at successful offenses in this league. Watch them, do they send 2 receivers on routes in a 3rd & long situation? How often does their personnel change compared to ours? If we have to come from behind to win, do you feel that our system will allow for that capability, or that Henne is not capable of doing that?
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The entire offense looked awful
So that makes two awful performances in a row for Henne, who right now looks incompetent. There are no excuses, people. None. He has been wildly inaccurate. Now he’s fumbling. He couldn’t even fall on a fumble correctly. There isn’t much he’s doing right
As for Henne, Henn hasn’t looked the same since he got his Knee snapped almost, save that one game in Oakland where the OL actually did a decent job with protection and gave us a running game. Yea Matty, everyone. He does have this huge brace on his leg because he has this kneee injury. He is not play anything like he was before he got treated like sh*t by this coaching staff and by over half the fans on this site. Anyone want to give him any credit for playing while hurt, h*ll no. Just wants to complain of how much of a b8tch he is, pointing one of my fingers at you Matty. Did you bring up his injury that he is playing with?
Lots of problems on the offensive side of the ball for the Dolphins.
Thats what you said. You couldn’t bring yourslef to bring up another name on offense tthat helped contribute this another pathetic offensive contribution. It all falls on Henne right?
If he does leave here I hope he rams game balls right up the @ss of every coaching staff that wouldn’t trust him and threw him under the bus all the times he plays them. And I hope he blossoms just like Brees did and F’n shoves his middle finger right up the nose of every hater here that wouldn’t give him time to develop.
Sorry, I know they guy has had 2 bad games, but you all know his knee is f*cked up and how many time does he have to be pulled out of a game after getting any kind of rythm, just to “WC. run” OK Henne its 3rd and long get us that 1st down. I’ve just really had it with all the Henne bashing and not a D2mn sole on offense doing anything either (and for longer than this one game) and its all Hennes’s fault. With no b*tching of anykind of any other guy on offense. It’s complete b*llshit.
Look at the Bears, Browns, Jets game and tell me who is getting the job done on offense. TELL ME WHO. Honestly people, Henne isn’t the guy going out to play offense.
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by Neo on Dec 13, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
You are partially blind. You see the offense sucks but you don’t see that Henne ALSO sucks? He IS part of the problem. Fix everything and forget about the most important player on the field? That makes no sense. There are things that Henne could be doing better but isn’t. Accept it because it’s true. It’s time to get a new QB. Henne will get one last chance to prove himself at the start of next year. If he doesn’t the new guy will step in. No need to wait. Get a QB this year.
He looks fine walking on his knee. That’s just an excuse.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Are you not reading my post
Sorry, I know they guy has had 2 bad games
You do know there is a difference between “walking on your knee” and then having to actually “play on that knee” right?
What I am saying is that there is not 1 d@mn post that poops up about any other player on terrible offense that pops up excpet about Henne. Henne is not the sole reason this offense cannot score points. People like yourself need to get over the fact that he is.
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Henne is not the sole reason this offense cannot score points. People like yourself need to get over the fact that he is.
huh
I said
You see the offense sucksRead it again. Now In other words it means other players suck. Happy?
You do know there is a difference between "walking on your knee" and then having to actually "play on that knee" right?
Excuses. He looks good enough to be making the plays. If he wasn’t he should be on the bench.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Excuses. He looks good enough to be making the plays. If he wasn’t he should be on the bench.
O yea? Maybe you would like some more of TT and the 0 points he put up against the bears. You remember those Bears. NE put up 30+ against them in CHi town in the snow in 1 HALF. TT couldn’t put up 3 at home in good weather the entire game.
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lol
Where did i ever say i wanted TT. I’m ready for the off season and a new QB. Don’t try and put words in my mouth.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
And you think
a rookie QB would come in a put up better numbers than Henne? He would more than likely have to sit a year, unless he is a very high pick and when was the last time this The Fins traded up to draft a high 1st rd QB?
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trading up for a QB?
I don’t think we ever have. But It’s time to. The last first round QB Marino. The one prior to Marino, Griese. It’s time to take the risk*. I don’t mind him sitting for a year and giving Henne a last shot. We can address whatever in the next draf. We just need to try and build a serviceable oline in free agency. Running backs are a dime a dozen. Plus Sheets may still be something. Then all have to do is find a raw WR with speed and a pass catching TE would be nice. Well those two are more like perks right now. Of course get a new OC and Quarterback coach. I don’t want Davis Lee anywhere near the new QB. He’s had 3 2nd round quarterbacks on this team (including Beck) and all seem to be bust if Henne doesn’t grow.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Trading up into the top 10 would ruin a draft for us...
especially with the various holes we have to fill on the O-Line and finding a playmaking RB or WR. We have a QB who can win games in the NFL, let him develop into a Quarterback that can win Championships.
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let him develop into a Quarterback that can win Championships
If i thought he can i wont be advocating for a new QB. It will ruin the rest of draft but if we do get a franchise QB it would be well worth it. I’m willing to risk it and try to patch our needs in FA.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but giving up a draft on a "Prospect"
does not hold it’s weight especially when we have a quarterback who can win, in a crappy system.
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Henne will most likely end with 9 wins in this system
Imagine the possibilities in a good one.
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Put it this way.
I believe Henne is babied because he has to be. I think if they let him open it up he will turn into a INT god. Our defense wins us game. They hold most teams to under 20 and under points. The game doesn’t look natural to Henne. He plays like a slow computer. He’s in inaccurate in terms of ball placement. But he’s good at throwing a catch-able balls. The bad thing is if there is good coverage he becomes a big risk for INT’s because of ball placement. Add to that the decision making issues leads to INT’s. He locks on to receivers whens he’s not comfortable which leads to INT’s. Moral of the story is I think his name is Chad INT Henne. His supporting cast doesn’t make it easier on him. But he has his problems that are squarely on his shoulders. I haven’t seen any growth and don’t think he’s a starting caliber QB. Since I don’t think he could be our guy there is no reason for me to not want to sell the draft for a QB.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
54, you've made great points on why Henne...
will continue to be unsuccessful, and your concerns are valid because defenses have had a lot of success against us. These problems that he is having are more related to the system he is playing in than anything.
When a team brackets coverage on our receivers that means there is essentially a very small chance that we will beat the coverage deep. Defenses will continue to do this until we prove we are going to go deep, and be aggressive doing it.
Defenses know they can do this because when we run in formations with 2 WR’s, they can leave 8 in the box and still accomplish this. This would only change if we decided to put more than 2 WR’s on the field or have someone that can run past the coverage. Our best chance at that happening is Hartline, and he’s hurt now.
Our line right now is not strong enough to go toe to toe against 8 man boxes, it hasn’t happened consistently all year. So when you look at all this, we are forcing a young quarterback to be 100% accurate on timing routes, slants, and out patterns because we cannot effectively run, or throw the ball deep.
Last time that was expected of Manning he threw a pick 6 along with 2 other interceptions.
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There is no doubt this system sucks and we need a new OC. But i still believe our playing calling is also hindered by need to protect Henne. So Henning sucks but he sucks more with Henne. I don’t mind seeing what Henne has under a different system. But i doubt he will be anything. There is no reason to wait another year to find a QB. We need to invest in one anyways, and there a few highly promising ones in this draft.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
So our system is hindered by Henne, not Henning?
That means we don’t need a OC, but a QB. I think playcalling is our major problem on O (except for CLE, that’s on Henne). Henning still thinks we have a dominate running game and ok passing attack, like 08. The roles have pretty much switched (although our passing attack isn’t dominate). How Henning is calling the games would work, but we don’t have the players for that. What Henning is lacking is the ability to work with the players he has. He tries to work with the ideal players for his system. Here is the QB that is Ideal for our system as it is now.
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010tpike.php
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Did you miss where I said Henning sucks?
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by 54 on Dec 15, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
That sounds exactly like CP10.
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by 54 on Dec 15, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
They say he has a weak arm. Its stronger than CP10. He isn’t going to hit no 40+ through the air. But 30+ with great Accuracy isn’t bad. Bulk him up. He has room to grow.
They say he’s a statue. He is more mobile than Henne.
He could be a sleeper.
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by 54 on Dec 15, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Pot you trying to punk me? He’s already drafted. Plays for the Panthers.
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by 54 on Dec 15, 2010 3:27 AM EST up reply actions
No, Pike was projected as the best career backup last year.
I was just pointing out that this system doesn’t exactly work. and yes i did read it. And tried to point out that he won’t adjust the system to work with Henne. even though I don’t like it, the best system fr Henne is a vertical passing attack. While the ideal QB in this system is a west coast QB.
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true.
But Henne has problems with ball placement in a vertical game. Whenever he has time and throws a deep pass it’s usually off. Maybe he’s doesn’t have the timing down because they don’t practice it that much. But at year “3” it’s concerning.
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He had it down to a science in college, even on a bad knee.
I think that we practice the deep ball enough. I went to the ‘08 TC and the only guys that would run routes more than 15 yards down field were Turner and Ginn. Both of them are gone. I think that we were hoping for a powerful running game, we did mess with a good O-line for no reason, to win us the games and a great D. We also got Marshall, who isn’t the best deep threat while having our #2 guy be a YAC WR that can get down the field in a hurry. I think this created what Henning tried to do, but he should have realized that we would need a speedier #1 than we have to let Henne blossom. I was hoping for Ford last draft just for that purpose. Didn’t get him and we drafted an athletic ILB that has little football knowledge that is going to be hampered by the ACL injury for a long time.
And now I’m thinking that either BM or Bess should go (just listen, I’m not crazy). Both are basically the same WR. Bess is like Ward light and BM is the supreme YAC WR. If we traded BM with as good (for the team) as a contract as he has we might be able to get 2 2nds and use them on a fast WR and receiving TE. If we traded Bess, we would get a 2nd and then a fast WR to actually change the system to where we would get to see a deep ball often. Also, it is weird how Henne was having just as good a year with Ginn as his #1 as he is now with BM. I think that Henne would thrive with a good speed guy.
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This isn't college
And I’ve yet to see him consistently throw a deep ball in the NFL. I rather keep BM and Bess and try to find a deep threat on the other side. We should of never of gotten rid of Ginn without a replacement speedster. But If we have to trade Marshall to move up in the draft I’m cool wit it.
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by 54 on Dec 15, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
never, not even for Marino. MArino fell in our laps at 18(?)
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something like that. Griese was the 4th overall. Maybe we traded up then? Sorry I’m not from that era :)
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt it
The phins teams before Griese were so bad that we wouldn’t have needed to trade up.
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And he was skillfully maneuvered into that spot.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
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6th QB taken
Tony Eason? Todd Blackledge?
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by PhrozenPhish on Dec 13, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Cocaine and Weed
That is all.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
So we got ll the other FOs high so we could get Marino?
that could work again. potgate?
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No
There were some rumors from “mysterious sources” COUGH Shula COUGH that Marino had major drug issues and everyone should turn tail and run from him in the draft.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
so cough.
@ I’ve smoked with both Luck and Mallett before. :) @ cough.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there goes any shot of them
Ireland will never take people of that caliber. Tisk tisk. Way to blow it for everyone 54 ;)
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
this also reminds me of V. Davis work ethic rumors. I firmly believe that, cough Ireland and Parcells Cough………..
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno.
Media loves to drum up minor things like that on their own. They tried to say Percy Harvin was a problem child.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
thats true
But for some reason I’ve always thought they created the spark to that fire storm.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
We’ll never know. but it was a gut feeling I had at that time.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Things like that go to the grave.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
I credit Vernon Davis more than anyone else
Vontae was just guilt by association. I know what that’s like, tbh.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
that makes sense.
..me to
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Vernon Davis (his brother)
was an obnoxious little punk and diva during his first few seasons. People looked at Vernon, and expected the same kind of issues from Vontae.
Plus someone stole Vontae’s identity (and wallet) and proceeded to go on a crime-spree.
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I was agreeing with you.
yea i remember the identity theft issue. That will unfairly give someone a bad rep anytime.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I misread your reply.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
it’s cool
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wake up folks
The Henne train has left the station. The real question is who do we bring in next year. Sparano practically said as much last week when he said the QB situation will be evaluated at the end of the season.
for you blind and deaf people that means we’re going to let him play out the season because we have nobody else that can play. But next year we’re going to bring in some new QB’s.
Sparano practically said as much last week when he said the QB situation will be evaluated at the end of the season
Sparano needs to be evaluated at the season as well.
But next year we’re going to bring in some new QB’s.
And maybe new ciaches as well.
What I’m saying is Why all the F’n b*tching even after a win?
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I think we need to bring in 2 new QBs. CP10 is an unreliable backup and thiggy is just awful.
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What I am saying is that there is not 1 d@mn post that poops up about any other player on terrible offense that pops up excpet about Henne.
Well he does happen to play the single most important position. It’s natural he gets the most attention, even though he’s only part of the problem.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter
he doesn’t need to be treated like the antichrist
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oh but that what happens to sub par QB's.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Just because the most important position on the field is play subapr
doesn’t mean that the person playing that position tis the sole only reason why it is sub par. YOu got to have blocking, which we don’t have, a running game would be nice, WRs getting open constantly and actually catching the ball would be great too. Also a OC that doesn’t mostly do WC, run, 3rd and long ok pass for a 1st down or even a OC that doesn’t pull your QB while he is finally getting into a lil rhythm to run the WC to get 3-4 yards would greatly help the QBs stats
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I don't care about stats.
What I see from Henne is that he will still be a liability if he had a good line, running backs, and WR’s. So with that said and having him playing the most important position, he has to go.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
What I see from Henne is that he will still be a liability if he had a good line, running backs, and WR’s.
and you can prove this how?
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btw i know the play of others will impact his game.
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by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
lol, poops up
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This analysis has probably already been done and with better graphics, but just for sake of argument...
I compared Chad Henne this year and Eli Manning in 2005 (his second full season starting)
Chad Henne 2010 (second full year starting)
21-34-182-0-0-75.9
9-15-114-1-0-106.0
26-44-363-2-1-91.4
28-38-305-2-3-81.6
23-39-231-2-1-82.3
23-36-257-1-1-82.8
24-37-217-0-1-69.3
22-34-231-0-3-47.5
After Benching
19-28-240-1-1-91.4
17-30-307-2-1-100.3
16-32-174-1-3-37.8
5-18-55-1-0-58.3
Maybe Chad just needs to get benched again and come off the bench one more time…
Maybe use the Thigcat against Buffalo and if ineffective, bring Henne off the bench again with
minimal prep…
QB Rating thus far…76.5
Eli Manning 2005 (second full year starting)
10-23-172-2-2-62.2
13-24-165-1-0-89.8
24-41-352-2-0-102.9
19-35-296-4-0-120.7
14-29-215-1-1-70.3
23-42-214-2-1-74.9
12-31-146-1-1-51.3
18-33-251-1-0-89.3
23-48-291-1-4-39.5
17-26-218-3-0-130.0
29-53-344-2-1-79.4
12-31-152-0-2-27.9
28-44-312-1-3-63.8
17-32-186-1-1-68.0
23-41-244-1-1-71.6
12-24-204-1-0-93.1
Playoff Game v. the Carolina Panthers (L 0-23) 10-18-113-0-3-35.0
QB rating: 75.9
I agree that Henne has looked terrible at times. I can’t help but believe that we should draft a raw QB sleeper
and try to develop him while we figure out if Henne is fixable…His contract isn’t breaking the bank…
fix the Offensive Line…turn Philip Merling into an SOLB to provide some play-making ability opposite Wake
Move Vernon Carey to LG imagine Long and Carey next to each other…draft a promising RT rookie…try Richie Incognito at center…he could be the answer to our center issues…
REDZONE THIGCAT:
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _AF JL [RI] JJ PM LM _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ DB
BM_ _ _ _RW - - - -> - - - - -> [1] _ _ _ _ _ _ ( [1] wildcat option)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _or\- > [[2]] _ TT_ _ _RB_ _ _ ( [2] max protect look)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ or \ - - - -> [[3]] _ _ _ _ _ _ ( [3] triple option look)
Incognito is not the answer at center
With practice I’m sure he would have been better, but balls were bouncing off turf constantly during the game.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
Misi is doing fine. I cn agree getting a QB in the later rounds.
our back ups suck. CP10 is made out of hardened foam and thiggy is lost after many years in the NFL.
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I really like this comparison...nice work
Most Giant fans wanted Elie tied to a wheel and stoned in Times Square until the SB win.
I think, however you are undervaluing Koa Misi…he quietly had another very good game.
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by PhrozenPhish on Dec 13, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
So... how long before we start calling Soliai elite?
May I be the first?
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
no that right goes to me. :)
I’ve been the one saying that we shouldn’t give up on him when he was looking bad.
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andrew Luck or Ryan Mallett 1st Round. Make it Happen. No excuses.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
paul soliai never looked bad.
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
Never looked good either, until this year
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
i disagree
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
Agree, he was flashing big time.
We never got to see anything consistent though.
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andrew Luck or Ryan Mallett 1st Round. Make it Happen. No excuses.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
when he hurt his ankle he did.
Most people didn’t know that or disregarded it. So i kinda agree. But he was nothing more than a big guy when Cam drafted him. Her started flashing with this new regime.
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andrew Luck or Ryan Mallett 1st Round. Make it Happen. No excuses.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
he*
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andrew Luck or Ryan Mallett 1st Round. Make it Happen. No excuses.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
by 54 on Dec 13, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
i love the shout out to kacy Rodgers
what a job hes done. to have odrick and merling go down this season and play the way we have up front is sensational. It remains very concerning to me however that we have never had the same depth on the o line. Sparano and DeGuegs seem to be brutal on those guys. We filter through them constantly. many who showed improvement as well. EXP. Ike ndukwe. Andy Alleman. Donald Thomas. Evan mathis. Andrew gardener. i wont include jake Grove because no matter what Sparano says i am assured he was cut for injury reasons
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
As bad as the Offense was
R&R still combined for over a 100 yards
Long Live #13
The worst part of this game
was clearly the resurgence of the worst play in our book: The One-wide pass. I thought Henning learned something after he got mocked on television by analysts, but clearly I was wrong.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
Where is the intro to Remember the Titans...
you know when he’s like, “I run a Power I Offense, and we only have 4 plays!” Sounds a bit like Henning..
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"The only difference between dissapointment and depression is your level of comittment."
but that was absurd when marc Shelereth mocked Dan henning on Tv
the fact is this. In that game against the Bears. Joe berger was out. Cory proctor started at center and went down 2 plays into the game on the shed screen to davone bess. A horrible injury btw to have him go down for year with out a hit. Richie moved inside and Pat McQuistan played left gaurd pushing John jerry into a three down role. From that point on we ran 7 times only not because we wanted to be one dimensional but rather because the interior of the line stood no chance against the bears front with the injuries at the time
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
i btw have not posted a comment on this website in forever. i got in a heated disagreement with another forum member about Chad hennes devolpment.
i should have apologized to him. i have been here everyday though and love you guys site. HUGE shoutout to THE EARL btw.
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
i remember you from the offseason, bro
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I'm not talking about the Bears game
I think it might have been the pats or steelers, but analysts after the game were laughing at the schemes.
Guy:"What's moose stuff?" Moose:"Whatever you want it to be; I can have sex with you or I can just stand over there and drink from that lake, and everything in between... Guy:"Get in..."
"There's only you and me and we just disagree."
ahhhhhhh
im sorry. Well i remeber slander from both. Mike Mayock criticized the play calling in the redzone after the Pittsburg game and after going to Cinncinatti yes i remember and obviously the pats game
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
but the critisism typically focused on our calling outroutes at the goaline.
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
no need to disrespect
braylon Edwards is great.
"it is with books as with men, a few play a great part, and the rest are lost in the multitude."-Voltaire
"Give me Ernest or give me death"-me
"how about this story, from 1-15 to 11-5 and the best team in the afc east, from 15 games out a year ago to reigning champions, unbelievable" Jim Mandich
On Nolan being tripped:
“He should be ashamed of himself,” linebacker Channing Crowder said. “I wish they’d tripped me. I’d have broken that old man’s leg.”
Linebacker Karlos Dansby grabbed a reporter’s iPhone with the photo and stuck it in front of several TV cameras, urging Commissioner Roger Goodell to take action.
“Goodell, c’mon man. Goodell, handle this,” Dansby said while looking into the TV cameras. “Suspend him, man. Get him up out of there, man. He’s bringing the whole organization down.”
This team has got something right. These guys know Rule #6:
My teammates are like family
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Henne
Henne just plain sucks. He can’t think or react fast enough to be a half-assed quarterback, much less a good one. I don’t know if Thigpen can do it or not, but let’s see. Bottom line, we will never go far in the playoffs unless we find a quarterback with leadership skills who has dome balls.
He can’t think or react fast enough
Its hard to act or react when you got 1 sec before someone is in your face
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Actually, I don't think a robot could do it.
Henning seemed to not get the fact they were blitzing every down and called long developing routes. Remember Brandon’s firt reception that got us in an And Goal situation? How about Bess’s first reception? Or the TD catch? We needed more quick passes like that, but those were lacking from the gameplan.
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"Give me a minute and I'll change your mind. Give me a bullet and I'll change your life" -Gematria - Slipknot - All Hope Is Gone
Henne haterz?
I’m not jazzed on him, but he’d probably be doing better if he didn’t have to depend on Henning’s three-and-out offensive scheme.
Bitch all you want, but until Miami has a real Offensive Co-ordinator, we’re just going to have the most well-practiced punter in the league….
After all, despite all the BS and lost opportunities, Henne’s still on pace to have a 3000 yard passing season.
by Owen Keith Mendez on Dec 14, 2010 4:42 AM EST reply actions
IF NOT NOW..."DAMN-IT WHEN"???
Da SAME OLD, SAME OLD…“RE-WIND”???…
Da DOLPHINS DID WAT DEY D0 BEST 0N Da ROAD — “WIN” — BUTT, WILL Da MIAMI DOLPHINS CONTINUE 2 PLAY HIGH LEVEL PHYSICALLY TOUGH, HARD NOSE, INSPIRED FOOTBALL 4 THEIR MANY, MANY “LOYAL H0METOWN FANS” or DO WE GET Da JEKYLL n “HIDE” SHOW 4 Da DOLPHINS BOSS n OWNER STEVE ROSS 2 WITNESS AT HOME ONCE AGAIN — (THEIR IN-EPT n PIZZ POOR GAME PERFORMANCE n APPLIED GARBAGE SKILLS) — IS IT FAIR 2 SAY DAT JEFF IRELAND WILL Be ATTENDING Da MIAMI / BUFFALO GAME 2 WITNESS HIS “HIGHLY FAILED n INEPTITUDE QUARTERBACK PRODIGY CHAD HENNE”??? — (DAT GUY COULD’NT HIT A BULL IN Da @ZZ WITH AN IRONING BOARD — HE HAS EXCEPTIONALLY WEAK SKILLS n BLIND 2 MATCH!!!)…Da DOLPHINS NEED A MUCH BETTA n “IMMENSELY TALENTED QUARTERBACK n SOON” — MR. DAN MARINO CANNOT BELIEVE HIS OWN EYES AT WAT HE SEES AT HIS “HIGHLY SKILLED n ELITE POSITION” — (“HENNE GETTS ABSOLUTELY NO PAT ON Da HEAD HERE”) — CHAD HENNE IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE — 2 SAY Da LEAST!!!
p.s. See More - U DAMN RITE “EYE DO”???…miami dolphins, da bills r cumin 2 sunlife stadium 2 win da fuc’n game -“DEY HAVE ONLY 2 WIN Da FOOTBALL GAME 2 PLAY 4 NOW” — (WITH or WITH-OUT SKILLS CHALLENGED CHAD HENNE AS Da DOLPHINS QUARTERBACK & PLAYOFF HOPES)!!!
MR. R0NNIE BR0WN WE Da MANY MANY LOYAL FANS OF Da MIAMI DOLPHINS CHALLENGE "U" n "ALL" Da REST OF Da DOLPHINS "TEAM" 2 PERFORM n WIN @ H0ME 4 US vs Da BROWNS....IF NOT NOW...."WHEN"????
JEKYL n HYDE MIAMI DOLPHINS W0N 0N Da R0AD AGAIN...PITIFUL NEWS D0LPHIN FANS--NEXT GAME@H0ME WIL EVERY1 SH0W UP 2PERF0RM 2WIN Da FUCn GAME
Someone might actually read your comments if you attempted to use English and would turn off the f**king cap locks.
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Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Dec 15, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Cap Nazi....
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The "pm striker king"- WZB The "reply" Nazi -Aplha6
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"Give me a minute and I'll change your mind. Give me a bullet and I'll change your life" -Gematria - Slipknot - All Hope Is Gone
So be it.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Dec 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
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