Dolphins dominated by Bears in 16-0 defeat
Does anyone remember such a promising season going down hill as fast as this season has for the Dolphins? Two weeks into the season, the Dolphins were 2-0 and excitement for Dolphins football was very high. Since then, the Dolphins are 3-5. Their latest set back, a 16-0 loss to the Bears on Thursday night, all but ended any chance the Dolphins might have had at the postseason. They are again sitting at .500 on the season as they fall even more behind the playoff contenders in the AFC.
This was also the first time the Dolphins have been shut out at home since the 2001 season against the Jets, coincidentally on the same date as Thursday night's loss - November 18.
The Dolphins fall to 0-3 this season in prime time games as well - two of which being very ugly performances - all but assuring they won't get many, if any, prime time games next season.
Some thoughts on Thursday's loss:
Injuries too much to overcome
The Dolphins were already a team hit hard with injuries entering the game. But things only got worse once the game started. Just five minutes into the game, center Cory Procter - who was only starting because starting center Joe Berger missed the game with an injury - went down in what appeared to be a serious non-contact knee injury (early reports indicate it's likely an ACL tear). This forced the Dolphins to reshuffle their already banged up offensive line.
So for essentially all of Thursday night's game, the Dolphins were playing with a left tackle who had a dislocated shoulder (Jake Long), a center who is really a left guard (Richie Incognito), and a left guard who is really the backup right guard (Pat McQuistan).
So it shouldn't come as any surprise that an offensive line that was among the best in pass protection heading into this game allowed a season-high six sacks to Chicago's defense - including three by Julius Peppers.
And it shouldn't come as any surprise that an offensive line that struggled all year with their run blocking did a terrible job of giving Miami's backs any lanes to run the football against the second best run defense in the NFL.
Miami's offensive line right now is in shambles and I'm ready to just let Jake Long pack it in for this season to avoid any potential long-term damage to his shoulder.
We can't forget about the other major injury of the night - Brandon Marshall's hamstring issue that caused him to miss the entire second half. Hopefully it's not serious. But at this point, would you be surprised if it was?
The stats don't lie
I don't think that statistics can often tell the whole story. But in regards to this particular game, they paint a fairly accurate picture. Consider these numbers. The Dolphins put up season lows in rushing yards (39) and first downs (10). They were 1 for 11 on third down. They held the ball for only 22 minutes. And they never moved the football beyond Chicago's 35 yard line - which happened to occur on their first possession of the game courtesy of Nolan Carroll's 46 yard punt return that set up the offense at the Bears' 47 yard line.
On the flip side, the Bears were 10 of 18 on third down - converting both short conversions and long conversions. None were more pitiful, of course, than Jay Cutler's 16 yard scramble on 3rd & 16 from Miami's 25. And the Bears held the ball for nearly 38 minutes, including over 11 minutes in the second quarter and over 10 minutes in the third quarter.
The other telling statistic? Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams combined for only 11 yards rushing on 6 carries. That's right - the Dolphins decided to put the game in Tyler Thigpen's hands. I said Tyler Thigpen's hands, people. Now I know that the Dolphins had to get away from the run because their dinged up and depleted offensive line was awful and Chicago's run defense is among the best in the league. But there's got to be a little bit more balance on offense, right?
Thigpen struggles in first start with Dolphins
A lot of people are going to put tons of blame for this loss - and the offense's overall ineptitude - on Tyler Thigpen. Quarterbacks always take the heat and Tyler certainly didn't play well. But to be fair, he wasn't exactly put into a situation conducive to success, either.
He only had a couple of days to prepare as the starter. He was under constant pressure because his offensive line morphed into a turnstile. He had absolutely no help from the running game. And his best receiver dropped two easy catches before missing the entire second half with an injury.
With all that said, I'm finding it hard to come up with any positive out of Thigpen's performance other than the fact that he actually made it through the entire game without suffering an injury.
He was inaccurate on a number of throws. A few more were tipped or batted at the line - something I thought might be a problem for the shorter quarterback. And he just never seemed comfortable out there.
In fact, he looked really out of place - kind of similar to how John Beck looked when he took over in 2007. Obviously that's not a good thing.
QUICK HITS
A few more quick thoughts on Thursday night's loss:
- Starting with a positive, how awesome is Cameron Wake? Seriously, he's a beast. The Dolphins lucked out by landing him two offseasons ago. Wake picked up another sack, bring his season total to 9.5. He also had two additional tackles for losses and a quarterback hit. He drew a couple holding penalties as well - and should have gotten a few more. Simply put - I love me some Cameron Wake.
- The defense really didn't play bad at all in this game. Considering they were on the field for nearly 38 minutes and saw Chicago run 68 plays from scrimmage, holding the Bears to just 268 yards of offense and 16 points is quite an achievement. The defense just wore down as the game went on and their offense gave them no time to rest on the between Chicago possessions.
- The defensive line - and in particular Tony McDaniel and Kendall Langford - played very well for most of the game. But again, they got worn down as the Bears ate up the clock.
- Karlos Dansby is also pretty darn good, too. Ten more tackles for Karlos, including two for losses as well as a sack, a quarterback hit, and a pass deflection that could have been an interception. Just another day at the office for Dansby.
- What the hell was Quentin Moses thinking doing the "sprinkler" after sacking Jay Cutler when his team was trailing 16-0 late in the game on national television? Stupid display.
- Speaking of stupid, let's talk about Brandon Marshall. Not only does he drop two catchable passes from Thigpen - he also gets called for two costly penalties. The first wiped out an 8 yard scramble on 3rd & 5 - making an illegal block on a man who was not going to impact the play. Then he makes a catch and nifty move for a first down before flipping the ball at former teammate Jay Cutler on Chicago's sideline, resulting in a 15 yard taunting penalty. I'm getting tired of these costly mistakes already. I really am.
- Boy has Koa Misi been quiet or what?
- Is there some kind of Bill Parcells documentary on NFL Network soon? I may have heard something about it during the game. And will they be discussing Bill's decisions to draft guys like Pat White, Phillip Merling, and Koa Misi in the recent second rounds?
- I like Mike Nolan's aggressive nature when he calls blitzes on 3rd downs. But can we at least have the corners play tight at the line of scrimmage to prevent easy quick slants from being completed? Just an idea sometimes, that's all.
- Matching up Benny Sapp with Devin Hester one on one. The same Sapp who couldn't keep Cutler from getting the corner on his 16 yard scramble. Probably not the best idea. No - definitely not.
- John Denney led the team with two special teams tackles. Brandon Fields also had one. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Final Thought
It's a good thing the Dolphins have some time to regroup. They sure need it. And us fans need it as well. It'll be relaxing being able to watch some football on Sunday without worrying about how this team is going to disappoint us again.
One closing thought? Chad Henne - get well soon!
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Im not going to put a HUGE ammount of blame on Thiggy here..
I mean the kid did not have 2 seconds to throw a pass and with ZERO effort from Brown and Williams.. AND Marshall how good should Thigpen have been? No this was a total breakdown of the offense and that cannot lie only on the QB.
Henne needs to step up
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Zero effort from the RBs?
More like zero plays called for them.
MC Hammer was dissapointed when he found out that Kevin Durant could touch this.
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Sean Smith is on my shit list.
I’m tired of him completely being unable or willing to tackle a man. Didn’t we draft him because he was a big physical guy. He won’t even extend his arms. He’ll close his eyes. and poke a lil skinny 6 3 frame out there. Your kidding me? Al Harris looked Old tonight. This game was a complete wash… O line beat the hell gives us no chance to do anything. We had to keep Anthony to chip and protect. And then what run the ball what was pretty much a goal line formation the whole night. Love how chicago is a tampa two but their safeties were only 10 yards off the line!! Game was a wash. And so is this season…
by Phins4life2334 on Nov 19, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Why sacrifice them?
We had no line to block with.
I’m on the side of true love…and a good running game.
Nobody can get the truth out of me because even I don't know what it is. I keep myself in a constant state of utter confusion. -- Col. Flagg
Ricky and Ronnie got the ball 6 times. The bears ran the ball 40 times. It’s not their fault our coaching staff didn’t give them the ball.
Shouldn't our coaching staff be focusing on running in practice?
It’s as if they have completely given up on it. MAKE it happen!
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Henne PLEASE be back next week
and who the hell is John Denney? Anyways I guess all we can hope for is for all AFC teams ahead of us to lose this Sunday. But even just a Jests loss will help.
Denney is the long snapper and the most consistent player on the team
for what he does.
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+1
Maybe the grass isn’t always greener…. Henne get well soon!
Y'know, the grass is usually greener because of the shit fertilizing it.
by rroan28 on Nov 19, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Rec'd!
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by texascowpunk on Nov 19, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Went to the bar to watch this one
Now I’m drunk, angry, and depressed. AND I have to work at 7:30 tomorrow morning. I should’ve known better than to expect anything, I really should’ve.
Can the Thigpen is Jesus talk PLEASE stop now?
by rroan28 on Nov 19, 2010 12:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Apparently I have to take my brother to the doctor at 9 tmw
FML!!!
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Yep...working 7:30-5:00, then coverage an HS playoff game....like I want to be anywhere near football right now.
Congratulations, Dolphins…football and writing are two of the few things I enjoy in life, and now I’m not looking forward to either one.
That's sobering....
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
If it makes you feel better
I have to work at 7:30 tomorrow morning…..in an office full of Bears fans.
LOL
At least they all know the Bears are my 2nd favorite team so they shouldn’t give me too hard of a time……except that I have a big mouth and talked a lot of shit the past couple of weeks…..sigh.
2nd favorite?
What type of fan are you? You love one team and hate the rest.
by Phins4life2334 on Nov 19, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Well I'm born and raised in Illinois...
and all my other favorite teams are from Chicago and a lot of my family are Bears fans so I do go for the Bears unless they are playing the Dolphins or in the very rare occasion that a Bears loss would somehow bennefit the Dolphins. But I’m a Dolphins fan thick or thin, I go to a local bar every Sunday so I can watch the games, I’ve only missed watching like 4 games in the last 8 years, so I’d say I’m a pretty big time Dolphins fan.
this ain't too bad
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this^
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LOL Settle down instigator.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 19, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Why did the dolphins run the ball less than 10 times with thyigpen!?
How crappy has offensive calling been! How do you do that to a QB who doesnt start or have any help?
GEtSICK 4 JC
by GEtSICK13 on Nov 19, 2010 12:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
NO OLINE!! SEriously. we couldn't run the ball if we had AP, barry sanders, and Lamar Smith!
Everyone on that line was hurt.. and hurt bad.
by Phins4life2334 on Nov 19, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Sparano is an O-lines coach, how did this happen??
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Hmmm.. I thought there was 5 guys out there
At least pretending to get in front of a defender! Passing 0ver 20 times really worked out well! Our veteran “playmakers” were rubbing backs and you think we shouldn’t have tried to run more? When you don’t have a great O line you expect to have a guy drop back and have time to pass?
GEtSICK 4 JC
by GEtSICK13 on Nov 19, 2010 6:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Should I start about Henning AGAIN?
Nah…everything that needs to be said about Henning has already been said a billion times.
Eddie V
by DolphinNation on Nov 19, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Trying to run the ball a lot wouldn't have helped much.
Our offensive line hasn’t been that good at run blocking all season and I doubt they would have magically improved with the number of injuries they had. Also, the Bears run defense is 2nd in the league and their passing defense is 12th. We also got almost nothing on the runs that we did try. Combine all that with playing from behind when you need to save time on the clock means I don’t think running would have been the answer.
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THIS!
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I think your correct
Thigpen doesn’t deserve the blame here. He had way to many low snaps and had to scoop the ball off his shoes a dozen times or more. He had no offensive line. The phins used every offensive line man they had there last night. One more injury to the Oline and a defense man would have had to play both sides of the ball. Brandon M was a disgrace. Dropped passes that were critical to wining the game. Had a TERRIBLE attitude, more like a street punk that a pro athlete. No, Thig is not to blame. And I don’t even blame Henning this time. The O line couldn’t have held up even against Alabama, so it was up to the QB, and that with out an Oline or good receivers, and no time to throw. Henne is lucky he was on the side line, the Bears would have made lunch of the less mobil QB.
the whole team needs to share blame
-Thiggy didnt have a good game
-henning as usual had a bad day
-receivers dropped the ball
-Defense allowed the Bears to convert on 10 of 18 3rd Downs..
A team loss overall…
This isn't on the D
They did their job. It wasn’t pretty but they fucking down right DID IT. If we can’t beat a team who only managed 16 points against us, if we cannot SCORE against such a team, the offense must shoulder EVERYTHING.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
The D has to take some of the blame for
letting the Bears convert some 3rd downs, but I put the least amount of blame on the D. They were on the field for two-thirds of the game and were obviously exhausted, but they did make some mistakes and gave up some plays that they shouldn’t have.
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by Chupathingy on Nov 19, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
The D wasn't perfect. When is it ever perfect when they don't shut a team out?
But the O scored O points. Short of defensive perfection we would have lost this game, and even with that perfection we’d only have gotten a tie. I will take 16 points every time out. If that means losing the time of posession game or giving up 10 third down conversions, I don’t care. 16 points will be enough to win 10 games a year, every year, and if it doesn’t, get a new offense.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Oh, I totally agree with you on that.
Holding a team to just 16 points should definitely be enough to win any game with a competent offense. I was just saying I put a little blame on them because if it wasn’t for some bad misplays they could have held Chicago to even less than that.
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But in the end it wouldn't matter. We'd have lost 2-0.
I think it’s important to find a silver lining in this game. So I’m going to defend the Defenders. To keep my sanity, I must find no fault in them, lol
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I understand man, I understand.
Even though I put a little blame on them, they are still my silver lining and I think that the effort they gave outweighs the mistakes they made. I give the defense total props for doing what they could to try and keep us in the game.
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Are you really calling out Koa Misi in his rookie season?
He’s one of the better pass-rushers of the class already. That may not be saying much, but it’s kind of ridiculous to ridicule this pick considering we didn’t even have a second rounder.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
Don't exaggerate
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He just asked if she was hooking.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 19, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Same difference to a 20 year old :)
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
It was in poor taste but thats the first thing that would have popped in my mind based on the other things he had said.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 19, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
yep
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Would Dez really be anything on this offense, though?
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He doesnt throw tantrums
Like Brandon(bowel movement)Marshall. He has two more punt returns for TD’s than BM’s pathetic 1 TD reception in 10 games!
nope
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He would be everything on this offense
not to mention special teams. He has 7 TDs on the year already (5 receiving, 2 punt). he’s a beast in the redzone and he just makes big plays period. Dez Bryant is automatically are 2nd best receiver.
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Dez Bryant...enough said
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by Deuce Black on Nov 19, 2010 8:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
our scheme would mean he would have 0 TD catches.
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Wtf?
Our scheme wouldn’t stop Dez Bryant from being explosive on punt returns or out jumping people in the redzone like hes doing in Dallas. So in this scheme we throw fades to Hartline but your telling me they wouldnt to Dez Bryant smh that makes no sense
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by Deuce Black on Nov 19, 2010 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BM had 10 Tds last year and 1 this year.
Yes, the scheme.
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That has to do with the amount of coverage going his way more than the scheme
BM said it himself he is facing more coverage than he’s seen before last year. So no it’s not so much the scheme than it is the talent around him. He had a deep threat in Eddie Royal last year too that couldnt be ignored so thats probably why he hasnt seen this much coverage.
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by Deuce Black on Nov 19, 2010 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this
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by Deuce Black on Nov 19, 2010 8:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
perhaps on the parcell's point from matty, patrick turner would have been a better choice, or someone similar of which there are several.
still, matty have to say you turn around great copy instantly on these games. bravo
Yes. we can!
The defense was AWSOME
Kept the phins in the game. If we would have had some offense, we clearly would have won, IMO.
Missing the big point
Got to at least try and run the ball!!! Yes the Oline is in shambles but this has been a season long problem. Unless your an elite QB like Peyton or Brady you have to try and run the ball. 3 carries for ronnie and ricky??? Stop blaming Henne, Pennington, or Thiggy it doesn’t matter who is QB, what happened this year that we don’t control the time of possession, that was our biggest strength last year.
If we ran the ball more, fans would just complain about bad coaching.
Bears defense: 2nd against the run, 12th against the pass. Our Oline: no way they are going to open lanes for running with that many injuries. Playing from behind: typically fewer runs. If we go out and rush 25 times then people just get angry about it. The problem on offense was drops, a lack of experience, and tons of injuries.
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and misi
isn’t getting all the reps, seems they use him in more of a run situation
IM HUNGRY, FEED THE WOLF
Run?
Is it time to get rid of Dan Henning? We have a power running team and we don’t use it what so ever!
whoa! HAD a power running team
Ronnie’s injuries have taken a toll, Ricky is older, and our O-line is not as good at run blockin as we were last year…
Big surprise!!?
I don’t know why were all so pissed this team did just what it always does. Another loss on national TV so much fun!! Bad play calling and poor execution from our STAR receiver (Who acts more and more like a petulant child every game). Get use to it kids another season in the toilet. Just love how the last game that mattered seems to be a distant memory?
We got shut out. That's most humiliating.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Come on down Chucky
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This. That would be awesome.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
As long as he brings his QB with him
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I've thought of that too...would be so cool!
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Marshall is becoming an issue
He hasn’t been as advertised at all.
Two terrible penalties and two bad drops – 4 negative plays when we only really had 30 meaningful offensive plays. Awful stuff. Hope this isn’t who he really is when times get tough.
Totally agree. ^^
Nearly his drops and penalties equals his production :S
I’m starting to believe that Marshall was an expensive mistake
by Alejandro Parrao on Nov 19, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
the penalties were inexcusable, but lets face it, bm is frustrated and he acts out. he's not been used particularly well, and he's looking around at a different team than he thought he signed on. ok. also, parcells was probably his daddy early on.
and where’s he?
Yes. we can!
If they're inexcusable, why are you making excuses?
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
because it is a blog where we air out thoughts and aren't always attack dorks? i'm not sure. but lets think of bm's dumb antics as not separate from
our little fins crisis at the moment. parcell’s correctional lectures are probably wearing off our elite receiver.
and maybe i’d like to see us not stone him entirely to death, pissed off as i was over the penalties?
Yes. we can!
Or maybe BM just doesn't have the maturity to take adversity in stride?
See, that’s not an excuse, it’s a reason. Big difference. What you said can be said for every player on the team, but are they chucking balls into the stands and at opposing players? No.
And I’m not attacking you. If I were I’d say stuff like the douche bag Goon was saying last night in the game thread. I asked a very civil question, why are you making excuses for him? Absolutely no offense intended. But though his antics are fueled by what is going on around him, we’re not seeing anyone else on the team acting that way. Why is that? “he acts out” is the bottom line and he is costing us by doing so. It’s been taboo to blame BM for anything this season, why, when we all had Henne to hate on, but I think now it’s becoming clear though he is an immense talent, he is not perfect, and some of the reasons our offense hasn’t been immense this season are his specific imperfections.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
doesn't have maturity and 'act out' are pretty much the same thing, but if that's to be dressed up as a reason, ok i'm cool with that. another 'reason' as opposed to excuse if i have to adopt your lexicon, is that parcell's isn't around to contain
brandon. the truth is, brandon isn’t every other player on the team. he’s simply not. neither in pay or talent. i’m adopting a realistic point of view.. so, yes, exactly: he doesn’t respond well to adversity on a team that isn’t going anywhere. we got him with baggage that we suspected could be there and now see, but that we wouldn’t see if he were in a system/ or on a team where he felt he was contributing in the spotlight. do i like it? hell no. but i would like to see him flourish as a dolphin if possible since he’s on the team.
no you weren’t attacking but were slightly in my face on that! no problem. fair deal.
Yes. we can!
For my money, Cam Wake and Jake Long are more talented players
And definitely better at what they do specifically. Long is a better LT than BM is a reciever.
I also liked hear what BM was saying earlier, about not blaming the refs and just the motivational stuff he was preaching. That’s leadership. I would love to see more of that.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Just ridiculous
You have a banged up OL,D pinning theirs ears back,no delayed draws,calls are 8+ yds with a 6’1" cold QB w/3 step drops,no one reading blitz and breaking their routes off,no double slants and working the seam off of that,Bess not targeted etc.etc. .
Henning put the WC on the back-burner then more weapons on the field this week so maybe next week he can learn how and when to use them since he’s making baby steps towards an O scheme worth a damn.
by firedanhenningnow on Nov 19, 2010 2:26 AM EST reply actions
We're not going to make the playoffs people
After watching that game i don’t even care anymore i want a QB even if it means getting Kolb or drafting Luck or something, Ireland better think of a way to get some draft picks FAST
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Kolb sucks too
I’m tired of us trying to turn other team’s trash into our treasure. We did it with Feeley, Harrington, Griese (the latter), and I’m sure I’m forgetting some others. We either need to stick with Henne or draft a QB in 2011. If Henne’s not the guy, then we should go after Luck. He looks like the real deal and if he turned into a true franchise QB, then it would be absolutely worth anything we traded to get him.
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Green, Culpepper, Pennington, Thigpen....
It’s craziness.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Pennington and Thigpen were the best of that group
And CP shouldn’t even have been here. Only the Jets stupidity allowed that to happen.
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They wanted Favre real bad.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I'll still watch to see development from our young secondary but i dont give a rats ass about our offense
Simply because there are only five players who i want kept Bess,Polite,Long,Marshall,Jerry
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by Goon305Boy10 on Nov 19, 2010 6:35 AM EST up reply actions
Most of you know how positive I am
but…is our season over?
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No We Can Still Fight for draft position
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by Goon305Boy10 on Nov 19, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yep.
Hopefully we can somehow ruin the Jets playoff run, if nothing else.
by LoveWingsHatePenguins on Nov 19, 2010 6:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh...is Grove still available?
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think he plays for Raiders
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by Goon305Boy10 on Nov 19, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
Season in dire straits!
I hope there is a phone book in Miami with the top available O-lineman in it. Are D played great. Dan Henning just filled out his own pink slip. Sparano seat is getting hot. Parcells is in his bomb shelter. Ricky and Ronnie look to be on borrowed time, under 10 rushing attempts… if that isn’t a message from the Coaching staff. Marshall (as I’ve said all along) is a cancer!! Getting progressively worse each week. Special Teams is a Horror movie!!! Don’t know when they’re going to make you jump out of your seat!! We will be very fortunate to get 2 or 3 more wins if people do not get healthy. I pray and pray for good health!! I do not want our season over in Nov.!!
we played like an injured team
all the blame can’t be put on pigpen. are o-line was seriously hurt, and we could tell by watching the way we played.
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We need...
1. Fire Dan Henning. This season is over anyway, so we might as well get a new offensive coordinator and start learning a new offense. It could be like a really long preseason…..
2?? Fire Sparano(not sure about this yet). We have had 2 seasons where the whole team goes down to injury. We totally retooled an offensive line that was pretty dominant with a bunch of pieces parts and at the end of the day came out much worse. With all the changes on the offensive line, we kept probably our worst offensive lineman last year(Vernon Carey) and what a surprise… he is our worst offensive lineman this year too….
4. Let Long get better. He can’t play well anyway with that shoulder bothering him, and we risk injuring him more seriously. There is not any chance we are going to the post season anyway..so we might as well play for a good draft pick. We should also do the same thing with anyone else who is even mildly injured— except Chad Henne. We should play him and Tyler Thigpen, if he can play and see if we will need to use our first pick on a QB or not….
3. Move John Jerry to RT already, and move Carey to LT. Once the season is over, dump Carey and draft some more interior lineman.. or go after some in free agency like our QB’s life depends on it… it does. Can we get a a dominant Center please??
"When a man's an empty kettle, He should be on his mettle
And yet I'm torn apart Just because I'm presumin'
That I could be a human, If I only had a heart" Chad Henne
this game has certainly moved up this kind of thinking, tho have to say we WERE depleted by tennessee.
the thing is, i have hope that stephen ross loves and cares about the dolphins as a part of miami, a part of our fla. history, and isn’t just in this as a billionaire who wants to own an nfl team for his own ego-stroke. he was given the parcells fix by the outgoing owner and under the circumstances it was right to take that at face value. not today or tomorrow but in a couple weeks he will need to reevaluate. we need to focus like a laser, really, to find a way to get a franchise qb, a ryan, stafford, flacco, brees, manning (even vick) TYPE, head and shoulders above the rest in capability, and put an end to this decade of a dozen plus pretenders. do it. make it happen. find that guy. stop shopping listlessly in the bargain basement for someone just ok or serviceable. we’re tired of that. anybody remember joe montana? someone like him. more effective than marino.
yes, we obviously have to find another dominant o-lineman, or two. our defense didn’t stink last night at all. we can improve there but it is looking better.
but lets use this opportunity of qb chaos to end the desert wandering.
most of us simply can’t appraise from ‘out here’ how tony is doing on the learning curve of head coach, how he will do sans parcells, and how strong our field network is. that may be where ross starts the evaluation.
i hope.
Yes. we can!
well, there were some positives
Our defense played well enough to win most games, despite being on the field a long time. Special teams were solid, which isn’t bad against Hester.
That said, our expensive o-line is either injured or not doing the job particularly well when it comes to creating lanes for the RBs, our offensive coordinator seems to be mailing it in, and Brandon Marshall has decided that now is the time to behave like a horse’s ass for the second week in succession.
I feel bad for Thigpen, but he did have time to make some throws, and mostly didn’t make them.
Whoever the Dolphins select at 12, will definitely be the 12th pick of the draft. Unless they trade down, of course.
Defense played awsome
it was 6-0 at half time and 16-0 at the end of the game. Considering the offense was 3 and out all day long I say the defense kicked ass.
This ^
Our defense really played a pretty solid game. A few too many 3rd conversions allowed, but other than that a good game.
That's it! Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn!
I'm not going to blame this loss on Henning
But the guy is an idiot.
Come on. I don’t care if you net 1 yard per carry you need to run the ball at least 15-20 times when you’re on your 3rd st QB.
Play action on the last drive with 2 minutes to go. Come on. are you stupid. Dumb question.
shotgun all day long. any idiot could see the snaps were awful. If your center can’t do stop asking him to.
Where were the rollout plays for Thigpen.
We probably would have lost anyway seeing how bad the OL was doing but at least give us a chance.
Defense
Defense is yielding 19.0pts/game and we are 5-5??? The finger is pointing up in the booth of the O-coord. You can’t throw with the 3rd stringer like he is a first team guy. I couldn’t agree more about running the ball. It seems to me they tanked the pass run blocking line for a pass blocking line. Hence the poor running game. Team has no identity!! Instead of playing our O and letting them adjust. We are adjusting to the Defenses. You do not win to many championships when you do not know what you are.
by IAphinlifer on Nov 19, 2010 8:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Injuries are a good excuse for losing.....
If you are one who is up for making excuses, I am not.
Tony Sparano is suppose to be this great “motivator”. How many times do we have to watch this team come out flat and lay a egg on big, prime time games? This team was flat from the very get go. After a very good kickoff return to start the game, the offense from last game never took the field. Defense, Could you get off the field on 3rd and 5? No!. How bout 3rd and 10? NO! Ok, how bout 3rd and 15? NO!
It hurt that we lost. It hurts even worse that for the third time. at home, on prime time, this team didn’t come to play. Tony Sparano, coach up your team or get the f*ck out! This Miami organization doesn’t get shut out at home. Hell, even during our 1-15 season, with Cam as head coach, we didn’t get shut out. UNACCEPTABLE.
And how good is Chad Henne now haters? Henne can’t do this, that or the other. Last night it was shown of how important Henne is to this offense. It was also shown that that he wasn’t as bad as everyone put him out to be. We might of didn’t score TDs, but we moved the ball in between the 20s with ease.
If Sparano had the balls to address the real problem by letting go of Henning, instead of replacing Henne to find his bitch @ss spark, maybe CP wouldn’t had got hurt, Henne wouldn’t got hurt etc etc etc. Not all this mess is over wanting to let a old OC go out on his own instead of removing him for the overall good of the team. How in the hell do you only give run the ball 6 times with your 3rd string QB in there? THEY RAN THE BALL 3 TIMES WITH A THIRD STRING QB IN THERE WITH NO TIME TO PREPARE. THREE!
I remember in 07 and even before, since Marino even, we wished for a QB (perferably young) who could move our offense consistently like Henne does. We got spoiled by Henne because he moved the offense between the 20s with ease, but couldn’t do anymore mostly of things that is not all his fault. Last night we got reminded of how our offense was when Lemon, Culpepper, Feely and such was our starting QBs.
Tony Sparano, haters, concerning Henne and concentrating on what he doesn’t do I draw words from the ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus:
Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not; remember that
what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
by Neo on Nov 19, 2010 8:18 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
THEY RAN THE BALL 3 TIMES
Pardon me….Ronnie ran the ball 3 times.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
FG are nice when you get them & so chicago did also!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Nov 20, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd Neo....but one question
Why isn’t this a fan post??
LMAO
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
There are about 500 over there now
why would I want to add another?
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
Exactly, lol.
Most of the posts last night should have been posted as comments in THIS thread, like you did. There’s some good stuff on the fan posts now though.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
You know I have to say I agree with you Sparano either needs to pull his head out of his @$$ an fire Henning or he should be let go with him
To tell you the truth I hope Ross can get Bill Cowher to come to Miami to save us.
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by Weecho85 on Nov 19, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here here!!!!!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Nov 20, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I can't wait until baseball season
Atlanta got UGGLA!
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Coaches Gotta Go!
Clearly, the coaching staff of the Miami Dolphins are in over their heads. They are quarterback killers, conservative to the point of self destruction, and cannot seem to adjust to real time game conditions. The entire lot should be canned and replaced at the end of the season. We have the players, we just cannot take advantage of their skills.
Right!
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
What I saw last night was
one of the biggest disappointments I have seen from this team in a while. And there is a whole lot of blame to be given out.
The defense made it’s share of mistakes yes, and couldn’t stop the Bears on 3rd down, but they were also on the field for 38 minutes. Quite simply, they were tired by halftime and then having to be on the field for almost the entire 3rd quarter just completely depleted them. Chicago’s drives got longer and longer as the game went on, and you could just see our defense was running on fumes. Still, they needed to have made those stops on 3rd down but they couldn’t. Although I will say that Cameron Wake, Karlos Dansby, and Tony McDaniel all had a pretty good game.
The Dolphins offense was just atrocious. Whether it was Marshall dropping passes and making stupid mistakes, or Thigpen having a terrible game, or the O-line not blocking worth a damn, we just plain sucked on offense. Marshall’s drops were bad enough, but then when he finally does make a catch, he has to go and taunt Cutler and negate the catch? That is unacceptable. Our offense was already struggling pretty badly and he still went and made a stupid mistake that we couldn’t afford.
As for Thigpen, he just flat out played a terrible game. Now, I’m not saying the loss is all on him, it obviously isn’t, but he has his share of this blame. He made many poor decisions and many bad throws. There were a few times that he should have thrown the ball away but didn’t, and the result was a sack for a loss. And that ended up getting us into 3rd and long many many times, which contributed to our 1-11 3rd down conversions.
But again, it’s not all on Thigpen, the o-line did a piss poor job of protecting him all night. It didn’t help that Proctor got hurt early in the game and we had to move Incognito to center, a position he is not that familiar with. Then Vernon Carey left the game later on and Jake Long was hurt throughout the whole thing. The injuries to the o-line hurt severely, but even with those they should have played better than they did. While injuries did factor in, you cannot put all the blame on injuries, these guys could have and should have played better.
Finally, the play calling. I mean, Ronnie and Ricky only get 6 carries the whole game? I realize that Chicago’s run defense is pretty good, but still. You have got to give these guys a chance to make some plays, or at least keep the defense honest and opening up your receivers. And speaking of receivers, where was Bess all night? I only saw like 4 passes thrown his way all game. And why was Fasano not involved in the game? I don’t think I heard his name called all night.
I think that after this pathetic offensive display last night, it really shows that the problem wasn’t with Henne, it was with Henning. Putting all but 6 offensive snaps on the arm of your 3rd string QB and not giving him help by changing the pace with running plays is just bad play calling. Not making adjustments when you see the Bears lining extra guys up in the box to take away Thigpen’s mobility because they don’t respect his arm is bad play calling. Not running plays designed to play off of the strengths of your mobile QB and forcing him to stand in the pocket where he is clearly less comfortable is bad play calling.
Before people were asking if the problems on offense were the cause of Henne or the play calling. I think that after last night, it is pretty safe to say that the play calling, and Dan Henning, is the biggest problem that we have on offense. He needs to be gone immediately, and if Sparano doesn’t have the balls to do it, he needs to go as well.
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he has to go and taunt Cutler and negate the catch?
I actually think that was a bad call by the officials. Marshall and Cutler are buddies. I realize perhaps the referees don’t realize this, and yes, it was stupid of Marshall, but it wasn’t a “taunt”.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Be professional
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
what?
I guess Cutler was on the sidelines the week before when he threw the ball…get real…a true “head case”…
by tomthebarber on Nov 19, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
I understand what you mean,
but it still resulted in a taunting penalty which negated the catch. Whether or not he meant it as a taunt is a different matter.
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by Chupathingy on Nov 19, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
And circle gets the square
Dan Henning, is the biggest problem that we have on offense. He needs to be gone immediately, and if Sparano doesn’t have the balls to do it, he needs to go as well.
Thats what I’ve been saying dude. I’ll take it a step further. Tony “the motivator” Sparano is 0-3 on prime time games AT HOME. Not just that we lost, we came our flat those games and have lost by 8 or more points. Notice how we try to play to keep the game close and win in the 4th. Well, 2 of the past 3 games we have lost by 2 scores. TBH, we really didn’t have a chance to win against the Ravens or the Bears.
We need to take a hard, ong look at Tony Sparano.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
AMEN !!!
Can I get an “AMEN” from the fins fans????
by tomthebarber on Nov 19, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
You know it's becoming harder and harder to keep coming back to this site.
There is always nothing but, turnstile bandwagoners and negative talks from so called fans. Samdaman put it perfect. A perfect showing of a team playing with its third strong qb and a beat up offensive line. The biggest problem I saw from this game was the defense on third downs. Everything else I can excuse because of injuries plagueing this team. A healthy dolphins team verse a healthy bears. We win this game. We only allowed 16 points. Ilk take that. Henning what f n planet are you on. Enough said. To all the non head cases and regulars, see you around.
by D0lphins4Life on Nov 19, 2010 8:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
See ya
just because a person gives constructive criticism about his/her team does not make one a “so called fan”. You want “feel good” quotes? Go to Anthony Robbins website. After that embarrassment last night (for the 3rd time) somethings about this team needs to be point out and addressed.
You gonna give a pass because of the injuries on offense? In 07, we didn’t have the likes of Ronnie, Ricky, Marshall, Fasano, and I could argue that TT was better than any QB we had that season, yet we could score a FG. Especially when we started the game on the Bears 48.
Now, I will let your return to your dream land where the sky is always blue, the birds are always chirping and there is an excuse to brush away any problem.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
by Neo on Nov 19, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You Go Neo
You get ripped on this site for speaking your mind! I’ve been suffering with this team for 28yrs man! I’m tired of high expectations and poor results! the only aberration was Sparanos 1 st season, where I expected nothing and we won the division!
I’m tired of high expectations and poor results!
I feel ya man.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
west coast offense to the rescue build from the bottum up start with the center opp's that aint gonna happen we missed out the steeler's got him!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Nov 20, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
fire this person,bring in the chin,our teams a bunch of pansy azzed losers,hell,fire stephen ross,our team couldnt beat a hs team
Thats some of the stuff im reading,if thats constructive criticism,then id hate to see yall when you are negative.
What ever happened to the days of win or lose im a fan? Seems to me its left with a win now attitude. We say that Dan Marino was the best QB this teams ever seen,well guess what,he played in one superbowl his rookie year,and never went back since.
The problem is were not a healthy team,and that cant be henne’s,penne’s,BM’s,Thiggy’s,Hennings,fasanos,or sparanos fault.
If you want to blame anyone,blame either luck,or the strength and conditioning coach. But as a fan,a real fan,i stood behind em 1-15,ill stand behind em either win or lose. Bandwagonners need to be gone,haters need to step off because the phins are still a team to be proud of.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Nov 19, 2010 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What ever happened to the days of win or lose im a fan?
I don’t see any of these people you just mentioned saying that they are no longer Miami Dolphins Fans.
But as a fan,a real fan,i stood behind em 1-15,ill stand behind em either win or lose. Bandwagonners need to be gone,haters need to step off because the phins are still a team to be proud of.
I was right here on this site through that entire year. Was a fan years, years and years before that year, and still one today. But people say I am one of the most negative people on here, and I don’t plan on stepping off for you are anybody else.
The fact is, if this teams wants me to be less negative, give me more positive things to talk about. I’m not gonna make excuses or sayi things like I’m proud of some piss poor effort they put out when its not true.
I’m proud to be a Miami Dolphin fan and Always will be. That doesn’t mean I have to be proud of the team they put on the field, or the effort (or lack of) they put forth. Doesn’t make me or anyone else for hat matter, any less/more of a fan than you.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
I do not think that you are any less of a fan.
Everyone has their take on how things should be and for what it is worth
the people on this site that are the most negative have the highest expectations from the team.
It all comes down to what we as fans expect our team to be able to do or not do in any given game.
I do think that the coaching staff is floundering at this point in the season.
I do also think that expecting a tittle this year is a little bit too much to ask of an extremely young team with new coaches
I think we all agree that we have the talent to have better than a 8-8 team.
As far as the coaching staff goes don’t they need the same considerations the players do?
Knee jerk reactions after loses are just going to result in a carosel of coaches a players
coming in and out and never being allowed to gel.
If you allow Henne to develop because he shows potential how about Tony?
I agree with you about Henning NEO but what guarantees that we will get a better OC?
Each change we make is a risk that many fans are going to criticize once it is made.
We are inconsistent and that is an indication that the team is young or undisciplined or both.
Coaching change...again..
Thanks again for the wonderful preperation from Dan Henning. Please let him exit and bring in some fresh coaching. Our defense is better for the move we made last year and now is the time for a change ! What a sad state of affairs to be a Dolphins fan… Brandon Marshall can throw the ball somewhere else…thanks for the memories…
Let us look at reality!!
The only positive out of yesterday’s game is Cameron Wake!! As said above, he is a beast.
With respect to Thigpen, first of all, he had one day to practice. Second, Marshall dropped 2 balls and gets the Asshole of the year award for throwing the ball at Cutler. Third, I agree, he didnt look comfortable back there. But he was running for his life!! Once Corey Proctor went down, and Richie I. became center, there was little hope. Then, when Marshall went down, there was no hope!!
Thigpen was 17-29 which wasn’t so terrible given the situation. I couldn’t tell whether that one real interception was tipped or not??? Other than a few bad throws, I think he is better than Henne! Remember, under the same conditions Rickie and Ronnie had 6 carries for 11 yrds total!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Other than a few bad throws, I think he is better than Henne!
You got to be kiddin
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Thank you Jesus!
Thigpen gets a pass
We can’t judge him by this game. Marino would not have done much better.
You're right, he would not have done much better. He'd have done WAY better.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
by BravePhin on Nov 19, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Facepalm
What game did you watch last night on NFL Network, exactly? TT is brutal, end of conversation. I’m not going to sit here and say it was all his fault, as there’s plenty of blame to go around (Dan Henning, defense not getting off the field on 3rd downs, Dan Henning, no running game, did I happen to mention Dan Henning), but all this talk about how TT is the 2nd coming of Christ is just laughable.
In Henne I (still) trust. Get well soon #7.
Eddie V
by DolphinNation on Nov 19, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
In Henne, you TRUST??? WHY????
I never said TT is the next Marino. I said that I think he is better than Henne. Henne would have been decapitated last night. I was sick, so I did not go to the game. At one point the announcers said the Dolphins were down to their LAST Offensive Lineman. What do you expect when your 3rd string O-line is playing with your third string QB who had one day practice and lost their number one receiver. YOU GET A PRESEASON TYPE OFFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was a Henne believer until this year. He telegraphs his throws, he is immobile and he can’t do play action or screen passes well.
Said like someone who knows football!
Well said! Henne would have been lunch meat for the bears!
If you guys watched the game
you would realize that there were pockets created for Thigpen, but he’s such a headcase that he tried to run out of it. he is not a pocket passer. Henne is and he wouldn’t have gotten sacked 6 times! Henne knows how to find the open receiver and throw it in the vicinity to make a catch. Multiple times Thigpen threw either an uncatchable ball, or threw straight to the defenders. Henne moves the ball and gets first downs.. and like we saw from last night.. Thigpen can’t.
by Kellenman08 on Nov 19, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A QB that can not scramble would have been sacked more
or would throw more interceptions.
Henne has more experience and I have never weighed in on this officially yet I just keep waffling and criticizing everyone’s opinions or agreeing with a few. Now that they have given us as fans a look at what we have to work with, we need to RUN more. We also need to run to the sides rather than just up the middle and we need to go for it on 4th and inches when we are near mid field. If we can average 3.3 yards per play then we can move the ball down the field! If not then we lose but we could at least get back to the basics of football.
Keep Henne in on every play when he gets healthy and run the ball a lot. Have Henne throw within his comfort zone and see if he can start to push himself a little at a time by allowing him to change plays. Stop trying to get into the playoffs; instead just prep for each game as a developmental or evaluative tool.
My picks for next year are O linemen and RB’s Develop the QB’s we have and tweak our Dfense the least. Get an explosive special teams run back threat. Not from Ohio State or Cleveland Ohio this time.
But we don't have a road grading o-line and have aging RBs.
I think this is Henning fault, because he is supposed to tell Ireland what he needs and he said he needed Marshall, but not an o-line. I agree we needed Marshall, but we should have drafted a C sometime last draft if we were going to let Grove go.
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I think Henne can move around fine (when healthy)
He’s not a scrambling quarterback but he is mobile. He’s not going to burn anyone in the open field but some people around here act like he’s constantly plodding around in mud. Not the case at all.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
this
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He had little practice time but he's also been in the league since 2008?
Don’t tell me some knowledge didn’t wear off from his KC days. The mistakes he was making were rookie mistakes that aren’t going to be cleared up in a week, or a month, or whenever. He made mistakes Henne long since grew out of making. Obviously there’s a reason why they went with Pennington instead of Thigpen last Sunday, and this is it.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
it wasnt just cameron wake out there....
Jones played okay for his first career start,hartline is doing a lot better,minus the fumble we recovered he was doing his part,dansby had ten tackles on the night,got a qb hit,and picked up his second sack of the season.
People seem to be forgetting,football begins and ends int the trenches. We will soon be playing without our star left tackle,our right tackles production is down due to injury,our rookie starting guard is coming off an ilness,our other starting guard is taking snaps at center. Speaking of centers,we’ve lost not one,but both for the season.
That’s just the offensive line.
On to defense,our rookie first round pick is out for the season,merling should be back,but let’s face it,he’s not going to be the same if he hurries,langford is hurt,starks and solai are proving to be reliable,but honestly,we can’t expect solai at 354 pounds to last an entire game at a high level. And with so many injuries to the defensive end position,starks “who practiced the offseason at nt” may need to shake off the rust at the end position.
These are not excuses,they are cold hard facts. Literally,if one more injury to the line on offense occurs,we may have to let sparano dress up and play center. Jk,a lil humor but sadly true. We simply do not have the depth to handle so many losses,and possibly couldn’t. Even if they raised the team maximum to 84 players.
We expect a lot. From our team as a whole,but,I don’t even think there is a team out there that can handle as many injuries as the dolphins have had this year.
Ill say it again,this is the fault of the strength and conditionings coaches more than anyone,because I don’t see it as being anyone elses
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Nov 20, 2010 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
playoffs!!!...playoffs!!!
u got 2 be kidding me?
OFFENSE. jake long u might as well get the surgery now
and get ready for next year.
brandon marshall,why u drop so many passes? u haven’t done
a damn thing in miami.
tyler thigpen u got 2 start at a bad time with all the injuries,
but i expect 2 see the robot(iCHAD) back against oakland.
SPECIAL-TEAMS.i think this unit is doin a good job,
keep it up.
DEFENSE/DL.cameron wake & karlos dansby cannot doit by themselves
the others got 2 step-up.
SECONDARY.u got 2 make plays on the pass. sean smith how many
passes are u goin 2 drop or is your name brandon marshall?
Sean Smith
Has to have the worst set of hands I’ve ever seen. FML
Eddie V
by DolphinNation on Nov 19, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
IDK
He did seal the game for us in Cincy with a int. And there have been a lot of drops by our entire defense.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
Neo, ol' wise one
what’s the best cure for a hangover at work? Me thinks me had a couple too many cocktails during the game last night. Too many drinks + lack of sleep = me cross-eyed this morning.
Eddie V
by DolphinNation on Nov 19, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
lol
Watching that game made me wanna drink too. Watching Mythbusters they found that only coffee helps a hangover. Everything else really didn’t do anything.True story
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
Hmmm...on cup #1
I should just jab a vein.
Eddie V
by DolphinNation on Nov 19, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
SS makes Ted Ginn look like Camarillo
MC Hammer was dissapointed when he found out that Kevin Durant could touch this.
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I want Mike Nolan to become the head coach
Get a new offensive coordinator. Fire Ireland.
We need a new regime.
Only keep mike nolan and bill sheridan.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Nov 19, 2010 9:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
blasphemer!
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bears fan
it was a good game if you were a bears fan.
im not here to brag guys i normally hope for little to no injuries and a good game.
sorry you guys had so many bad breaks this season, i actually thought yall would fight for 2nd or maybe even first in your division before the season started.
here is the link http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2010/9/10/1680415/surprise-teams
hopefully the phins will get back on track, i can see the potential dont hold your heads down things get better…
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by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Nov 19, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions
Who was the O coord. for Shula in the early Marino days?
I forgot his name? We need to take the embalming fluid out of him and bring back his pass O. At least he could scheme a pass longer then 7 yards or 3 yards, or 4 yards on 3 and 9.
If we're going to do that, bring back
“Air Coryell” (sp?) from the days of Dan Fouts in San Diego.
Eddie V
by DolphinNation on Nov 19, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
howard schnellenberger
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by Tunaflipper on Nov 19, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
We could always hire June Jones
and just throw the ball all over the field.
Eddie V
by DolphinNation on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Our ST woes,
and lack of production from Sean Smith continue to make me question why in the hell we released Jason Allen.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Driver of the Make David Lee OC Bandwagon
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
Seriously?
Do you remember how many times JA got burned?? Sean Smith is still better than Jason and currently our special teams is playing better. Getting rid of him was a smart choice, he was old and Sean Smith is young.
by Kellenman08 on Nov 19, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
Watched this very very frustrating game, i think Matty (as usual) did an excellent job of to sum it up. If i may add a couple of points:
- I agree on not being hard on Thiggy. National TV, barely any preparation time, banged up OL, no running game, awful playcalling, dropped balls, you name it.
HOWEVER, can we now ask the Henne haters something, maybe you were TOO harsh on Chad? most of this was the case all season.
The OL is simply a nightmare. The interior line, one of the best in the league from our WC days, is now one of the worst in the league.
I keep saying every game i see (this is 5ht i have seen this year) that Carey has become an utter disaster on the line. He is getting abused by speed rushers over and over again. I am not sure he needs to be starting now, not at RT at least. Move him to guard or something.
Then the play calling. with the exception of a couple of slants, didn’t you just know exactly what play was coming? there were many run stops that the D was in our side of the field before the handoff, combination of predicability and awful OL.
Henning please retire already.
and finally dropped balls. People complained that Henne should have thrown to Marshall no matter what. He had two awful drops, one which should have been an INT by Briggs (we were lucky). You all saw his attitude. Maybe Marshall isn’t getting enough separation, or showing confidence in practice, to merit this.
Summary, i ended up having a bit more respect for what Henne had to go through all season. IMO, there are several problems to fix before him.
- Defense played a great game, considering how long they were on the pitch. We gave up some long runs, and many 3rd down conversions, but we also only gave up FGs in red zone. They had just over 60% possession when they finally scored a TD, so i don’t blame the D at all. Big game.
Bright spots for Dansby , who is making tons of tackles now (he woke up after that embarrassing mistackle on Woodhead on national TV), but he needs some more big plays (that INT was right in his hands).
McDanial (thanks Matty) was HUGE, literally!. If this guy can stay healthy enough, and with Merling back, are DL has alot of talent to move around.
Finally Reshad Jones did well again. He was beaten badly once by Hester (who failed to make the catch), but other then that his positioning was excellent and made a lot of good tackles.
Disappointments? Sean Smith and Crowder.
I agree that releasing Jason Allen put out the fire that had Sean playing better in the past few games. He was slow, whiffed on many tackles, and had an overall poor game.
I really don’t know what Crowder’s job is on the pitch. I would assume he is supposed to plug running lanes, and Dansby is spying the QB as he is much better in coverage. Yet its Dansby making the tackles after Forte picks up 5-8 yards. I really didn’t see Crowder make a single useful play in first 3 Qtrs.
Finally, good observation by Matty on ST tackles. That IS a major concern.
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Crowder needs to go
I don’t care how supposedly good against the run he is. The guy never makes big plays and won’t shut his mouth.
Chowder
I was never on his bandwagon but I didn’t hate on the guy, until the Ravens game. That was the last bit of trash mouth I could take.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
nice sum-up but don't think thig's performance in this game should necessarily be used to shine up henne, who i remain on the fence about.
the D’s performance looks even BETTER when you consider zero positive offensive series for them to respond to. a rugged and brave performance.
Yes. we can!
Season
I hate giving up on a season and it being just a little over halfway through, but with the incredible amount of injuries the Fins have sustained and the mediocre play at best this season, I believe it is over for my Dolphins.
That being said, I look to next season (if there is one). I will give Sparano one more year to get this thing turned around, but if I don’t see improvement next year, then I say we make a change. It boggles my mind how his teams over the last 3 years have gotten progressively worse each season, which is the opposite of what should be happening. But, we definitely need a new Offensive Cooredinator – someone who can bring a little up temp offense, and who has the ability to make players better – unlike our current OC. We also need to get a new o-line coach because this area has been very week this year, and it has to get better for this team to get better.
In regards to player personnel, we have to let Ronnie Brown go unless he signs for a reasonable salary. I don’t know how much longer I can watch him dance behind the line until he decide to run and gets tackled after 1 yard – I mean, Ricky is averaging half a yard more per carry (4.4 compared to 3.9) than Ronnie and he is 5 years older, and Ricky has also been more healthy in recent years. I believe we should draft a speed back that would be able to compliment our power back philosophy, and I believe we lack players with pure speed on offense.
We also should draft another QB to give competition to Chad Henne because I have been severly disappointed with his development this year, plus competition is never a bad thing.
We must get to o-line straightened out and add another dynamic tight-end.
Defensively, I feel more comfortable each week with our players. But, I really, really want to draft a pure 3-4 DT, that can eat up space a be a full-time starter – this is one area in which we severely lack. I also think we need to consider another safety to add competition back there, and maybe add another OLB of starting caliber.
by Jonathan McCarter on Nov 19, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions
I agree
I like Sparano. I want to give him another year. But I think the performance of the team has gradually gone down or stayed the same as the amount of talent has increased. It shouldn’t be that way. While the defense has looked much improved this year, I also feel like teams constantly have guys wide open or huge running lanes. I’m not sure if it’s over-aggression not paying off or what, but it’s a recurring theme. Offensively, Henning just has to go. His schemes are dated, overly conservative, and frankly don’t make a whole lot of sense.
I agree with you about Ronnie Brown too. They can’t sink the money into him at this point. For starters, they haven’t even tried utilizing him this year. Why invest in an older running back with a lengthy injury history if you aren’t even planning to get him involved? I still think Ronnie can perform — he’d be the typical New England signing at this point — but the coaching staff doesn’t seem convinced. Let him go, bring someone in through the draft, and hope it works.
There’s a definite need for a tight end that can make big downfield plays with the ball. Fasano has been startlingly wide open quite a few times this year. Imagine if he was actually a playmaker. Those openers are either much bigger plays, or defenses aren’t letting him get that open which in turns gives space to our other receivers. I like Fasano, but not as the primary receiver at the position.
You’re also right that they need to bring in a QB. If not to challenge Henne, to at least be developing. For too long this team has neglected adding young quarterbacks in the second half of the draft and its hurt them. Most of those guys won’t pan out, true. But they need to take a shot at developing a prospect.
Safety is a definite need — I’ve seen lots of regression from Yeremiah Bell this year. And there’s no doubt in my mind they need a true nose tackle.
Once Henne was benched, I took a rather philosophical view towards the rest of the season.
So in that sense, this defeat was rather academic. I mean at times you looked at the dolphins offense and it had the look of a makeshift unit, both in terms of non-starters but also the “walking wounded” (see Jake Long). Given that, a 3rd string QB with all of 3 days to prepare against a solid, not great, team….it all pointed towards a loss IMO.
Yet what I’ll most remember about this game is actually how it offers a grim look at the future of the NFL in some ways. Why? Because with the inevitable 18-game season coming soon, I think we will see more teams in situations like we were last night thanks to injured players. Sure, individual injuries can happen at any time, be it the first or last game, but collectivity as a whole, you will see more injuries with a longer season. In fact, this year, there are at least 30+ more players on IR than last year. So the game is already plenty physical.
Anyway, coming into the game, you had, on paper at least, a good matchup between two playoff contenders. Instead it was one playoff contender vs. one team trying to find enough bodies to put out on the field! That’s quite an indictment of the future plans the league has. Frankly, I’d rather see a couple less games but of higher quality than vice-versa.
by Natalya on Nov 19, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I couldn't agree more, Natalya.
We were in dire straits from the get-go and the injury bug continued unabated, as well. However, the game plan called by Dan Henning and approved by Tony Sparano did absolutely nothing to help our cause. The stubbornness or ineptitude to not adapt to our personnel deficiencies is inexcusable.
And yes, an extended season is going to put this problem under the microscope. The question is, does anybody involved in the collective bargaining agreement manage to get this as part of a serious discussion or will they just chase the dollars? I think we already know the answer to that.
The 2010 Miami Dolphins. It's time to put the beat-down on the rest of the NFL!
Yeah, I think they are separate issues...
How the players on the field perform is one issue.
The other being the game plan the coaches design and how well it utilizes the players you have.
The squad was obviously depleted, particularly the offense really, and it couldn’t have been any more obvious. As for the coaches, I don’t know that they’ve done much to endear themselves to fans with their decision making and planning.
Heh, 18-game season? Money, money, money!
spot on re. the 18 game schedule. too much of a good thing. the nfl is maxing out on injuries already.
i’m sure money has nothing to do with it.
Yes. we can!
just to continue the grim logic, wonder if we will see expanded rosters? or changes in the practice squad figures.
Yes. we can!
yes expanded rosters but you'll be shocked to hear...
the league is proposing to expand them by just 1, while the player’s union is asking for 3.
Personally, I could easily see a need for at least 5 more players.
I’ve no information on changes to practice squads.
One thing that is not in doubt though is that this 18-game season is going to be a reality soon, no a matter of if, but when.
Both proposals call for the practice squds to remain the same.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 19, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Running the ball 7 times just doesnt work
Dinged up offensive line or no dinged up offensive line the Dolphins should have ran the ball more often. Tyler Thigpen is 1-11 as a starter for a reason and the game should have not been put in his hands. 4 designed running plays in the first have is just not acceptable, especially with the two talented running backs that the Dolphins have. With the line injured and weaker where was the wild cat formation? The wild cat is for “weaker lines,” I am not saying that it would have worked but with Thigpen looking terrible all game long the Dolphins needed to try something different. A perfect play that could have worked is running the wild cat with Brown throwing a pass to Fasano. The Dolphins were in the game till the end of the 3rd quarter there was no reason not to try to run the ball more and help your 3rd string QB. Please Chad Henne get well soon!
Astounding really...
on a night when they needed to run more to support a new starting QB, they actually abandoned the run. I mean what did we net rushing, something like what, 40 yards total….and thigpen as your leading rusher with ~25?
I didn’t care for Marshall’s antics either but that’s another story.
yeah we run the ball
We lose brittle brown for the season,then what
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Nov 20, 2010 8:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wow, we def need to do some work in the offseason to fix this team...
priorities: QB, RB, O-line, maybe 1 impact WR… this game was just embarrassing
and Sparano needs to put Marshall in his place and bench him for a bit
that immaturity (throwing the ball on sunday and throwing it again to Cutler last night) is killing us
Sparano didn't seem to handle Joey Porter so I'm a little skeptical that he's going to "put Marshall in his place"
thats the problem, i KNOW Sparano wont dare bench "Mr. Superstar"
but he should man up and do it to prove a point that theres no place for those type of things on the team
Someone explain to me
Why Henning calls PLAY ACTION down by 16 points with 2 minutes left in the game?
million dollar question
Same reason he calls playaction while sending out only one receiver.
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
His playaction never makes sense
He also calls it on 3rd and long. In fact, there was a stretch of games where I don’t remember him calling it on plays OTHER THAN 3rd and long.
not a good year
Well the D is looking better , but its time to pack it in this year ,start thinking about the draft . I think we did well in the draft and free agency this year something to build on for next year , i just wish the season was over now
Miami Dolphins
Defining Mediocrity Since 1990
MATTEAU!!!!! MATTEAU!!!!!!! MATTEAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...
1 – that’s quite harsh…
2 – since 1990 eh? Why did it start precisely then, was ’89 a good year? Because I was a dolphin fan at the time and the team was actually so-so in ’89, but were 12-4 in ’90 and won a playoff game before losing to the bills – which pretty much everyone else also lost to in the AFC back in those days.
3 – You want to define mediocrity? Try being a Cleveland Browns or Detroit Lions fan.
4 – I understand a lot of people are disappointed but let’s not get carried away.
by Natalya on Nov 19, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd!
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by texascowpunk on Nov 19, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Chief fan here.
I was always a big Thigpen fan, but he definetely isn’t built to carry a team with no running game and a banged up Oline. It could always be way, WWWWAAAAAAYYYY worse:
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by craig in calgary on Nov 19, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions
Hey Craig...
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that was his very first full game of the year as the Chiefs starter, right?
First Start: 14/33 151 yards and 3 interceptions
Second Start: 69.4% completion rate, 280 yards, 2 TDs, no INTs
This, here, is a very similar situation to what you guys are seeing in Miami. Croyle and Huard had just been placed on injured reserve coming in, so he had a lot of time on the scout team, and not many reps.
My point is that if you Dolphin fans are worried about Thigpen, don’t be until he does terribly in his second game. He’ll have a long week to prepare, and hopefully your OC will adjust the offense to his strengths, as Chan Gailey did 2 years ago in KC.
I’m of the impression that if he can’t succeed in Miami, he can’t succeed anywhere. But I think he’ll be fine.
thank you
we have very fickle fans. A show me now or you suck type of fan base
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The official KS-22 clan leader!!! LaRon Byrd the next Phenom from the U!!!
Henne supporters have known this for three weeks now
You act like it’s a news flash. Got your goat when the coin is flipped, huh?
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Got your goat when the coin is flipped, huh?
lol I dont know what that means.
I just find it ironic that the Henne supporter dont even care to give Thigpen the same chance Henne got.
"Real gangsta-a$$ ni**as don't flex nuts cause real gangsta-a$$ ni**as know they got'em."-Geto Boyz-
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The official KS-22 clan leader!!! LaRon Byrd the next Phenom from the U!!!
Yeah, let's do 20 more games of that.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
lol you really think it will be 20 games of what happened yesterday?
C’mon man you dont think Thigpen deserves to get another chance, with an actual full week of practice?
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No, I do not, because the starting quarterback of the Miami Dolphins is Chad Henne
Even the coaching staff was hinting Henne would start against the Bears if he was able to go. When he’s healthy he starts. This isn’t even a debate anymore. But as far as Thigpen goes, he had a bad game, but I don’t think many people here are saying it was all his fault. Far from it. But he made enough of his own mistakes to put a lot of us off on him starting again.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I guess thats where we disagree
I think Thigpen given the proper chance (i.e practice) and rest (full week) can produce just a little bit better than Henne. On that note I still say we need to draft a top QB
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Luck or no one. There's no one in the draft beside him, except maybe Newton, that is better than what we already have
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Yea I would like to draft Luck. We will need luck to even be able to draft him. Because as much as I want him this FO probably wont draft him
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"Puff puff, give. Puff puff, give. You f***in' up the rotation. "-Smokey-
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They probably won't have the chance
I don’t see Buffalo trading out of the 1st spot, when they need a qb, least of all to give us a break. Dallas would not trade out of it. If Carolina got it I don’t think we could offer enough to get it and still put together a good draft. Our 1 and 3 and 4? Ouch.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
are there any players we can throw in to lighten the blow?
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I guess there could be. Ronnie Brown?
We don’t have as much depth as we thought we had, so I don’t think it’d be a really “good” player.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Fickle
It’s amazing how fickle the typical fan is. We won the Tennessee game but lost the season due to injuries.. we all knew it. We HAD a good team, but got killed due to injuries. Stop calling out individuals for a single bad performance.
Well at least Cameron Wake is emerging as a playmaker
That’s something positive to take away from last night’s game.
Something that would have made the game better
is if NFL network played circus music every time we were on offense. That would have at least made me chuckle a little…
Tyler Thigpen was the 3rd string QB....
this on a team that had problems on offense, with a starting QB (henne) who wasn’t exactly lighting up defenses, and most recently with its best two players injured or limited (Long & Marshall)….yet why are/were people expecting some grand level of play from Thigpen?
C'mon Nat
Moving the ball between the 20s wasn’t Henne’s problem. With this exact same offense, minus the C, Henne moved the offense with NO problem all season. It wasn’t like half our offense was out, just the center. And our defense looked awful, shameful. Long was hurt, bu he was playing bad. Marshall, sure he got hurt late in the game, but we weren’t doing anything while he was in the game.
Even though I’m not convinced Henne is a start, I think it clearly points out that he isn’t nearly as bad as the haters put him out to be.
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I know all about the red zone troubles...
and I also know where, heh, (or at who!) you are going with that comment :-)
My point was about Thigpen…why such high expectations of a 3rd string QB who had what, 3 days of practice to get ready? Why does this game prove anything about Thigpen? Was he supposed to rack up 300 yards? Toss 3 TD’s?
As for yesterday specifically, how well would Chicago have played w/o their starting QB, Cutler, and one of their best offensive players, Forte….?
Long may have been in there but he was a shadow of his usual self. Marshall left the game injured before half-time, it was just 6-0 at that point. The game was very winnable at that point.
And as for Henne Neo, I’ve been very consistent in that he should never have been benched and that he should have played out the entire season. Then with a full-season as the starter, you evaluate him and decide then….not before.
Was he supposed to rack up 300 yards? Toss 3 TD’s?
No. but a F’n FG would’ve been nice.
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39 yards rushing bud from Ricky & Ronnie....
on all of 7 rushing attempts by the dedicated backs (RB’s, FB’s, not including QB obviously). Worst outing during the entire Sparano regime.
Are you going to pin that one on Thigpen?
C'mon Nat
We’ve been struggling running the ball all year. Thats nothing new. The fact of the matter is that TT is no johnny come lately. He was our backup for 3/4 of the year last year. He was 3rd string for over half the season this year. That translates into well over a year + a entire off season to know our system and the guys on this team.
There is absolutely no reason why he couldn’t had run our offense better than he did. Not even get a FG? He had everyone Henne had for the 1st save the C. No excuse.
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Not buying bud :-)
Sure the running game hasn’t been what it was in some recent years…
But despite that, coming into this game the dolphins averaged ~104 yards on the ground.
Last night? Historically bad.
39 yards rushing (27 courtesy of Thigpen) is the worst during the entire Sparano regime…that’s 3 years.
Worse still, they tied a dolphins record for fewest rushing attempts by RB’s/FB’s in a game.
Guess the last time Miami had just 7 rushing attempts by its RB’s & FB’s?
Some guy, not sure if anybody has heard of him, named Dan Marino was Miami QB. Dan Marino for the record, was apparently not a 3rd string QB known for being erractic :-)
Think of it, the further down the QB depth chart you go, the more, no less, you run the ball. It is common sense. If the 3rd guy on the depth chart could sling it and not need a good running game to help him, well, he wouldn’t be 3rd on the depth chart would he? :-)
Do you know if Marino won that game?
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I do know as it happens...
and it occurred twice in the Marino era.
The fins lost both games…one was against the Redskins and the other against, can you guess? Chicago!
A lot has changed, coaches, schemes, and their are many other factors, but even Marino couldn’t lead Miami to victories when the fins has just 7 rushing attempts from their backs.
As I suspected
That wasn’t fair to Thigpen, but he caused a lot of his own problems besides.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Heh, yeap hard to win on 7 rushing attempts, even for Marino...
and yes, Thigpen didn’t create or help much either. Which I tend to think is what you’d expect from a 3rd stringer.
There aren’t even 25 starting caliber QB’s in this league, so by the time you get to 3 on the depth chart at the position, my expectations are not much more than a guy who can take snaps, maybe complete a few 10 yard passes, and hopefully not turn the ball over.
That is great perspective on the state of qbs in the league
Are there even 25? I thought I heard Slereth or another ESPN talking head claim there were only 5 guys that could actually do their job.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
You could argue there are...
approx. 15 bona fide NFL caliber QB’s starting. Now some might debate there are only 10 and others will say there are 20, but nobody thinks there are 30!
I mean I just look at Arizona, a team just 1 season removed from a divisional playoff appearance, and they have guys who couldn’t QB Oregon (university!) or Auburn even. Carolina might be even worse and there are plenty of other teams that could use huge upgrades at the position.
I guess Carolina is using someone who three weeks ago was a stay at home dad
Where is the talent at QB? I mean, are there too many teams in the league, is the talent too thinned out? Or is it a coaching problem? Is the real problem a lack of coaching that can take these young qbs to the next level?
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
LOL yeah that's putting it generously because...
it wasn’t as if St. Pierre had been a long-time start who just retired (ala Testaverde). The guy has been in the league somewhere around 10 years….and apparently made such an impression that he’s played in less than 10 games…
I think TCP and I have chatted about this so by all means, tell us what you’ve got on the subject…
You could also argue it goes beyond NFL coaching and look to…..drumroll….the “prep league”, which at present means the NCAA. We all know the many schemes and offenses run in college football oftentimes are nothing like those in the NFL. So conceivably you could say well, that’s the problem right there. Or as you suggested, it could be that the guys who are 2nd, 3rd string and even practice squad QB’s, don’t get nearly enough 1-on-1 time to improve.
I think it is a combination of things. Thoughts?
I really don't know.
I’ve heard that the overall talent of qbs was greater back in the 70s, 60s, from a stand point that they knew how to not endanger their recievers. They were wiser of the game, not necessarily more capable of making the throws or faster. Higher intelligence or more experience I guess. I think it MUST be a training problem. Some of the starting qbs in the league right now WERE back ups, so maybe there is no trend for coaching staffs teaching backups much of anything? Neglected. Then by the time they get the start they’re behind the curve. But some of that can be put on the Qbs themselves, for not having the gumption for teaching themselves. Total conjecture on my part on that though.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I tend to think it is a problem...
not dissimilar to what you see in baseball with pitching.
Eventually after a certain degree of expansion, you simply didn’t have 30 guys that were genuine #1 pitchers or even #2 starters for that matter.
And so it is, IMO, with QB’s in the NFL.
Good analogy
There should be about 15 teams in the NBA.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
You will get no argument from me
that we should’ve tried to run the ball more. Of course we should had. But I haven’t heard a thing about our running attack when we weren’t scoring enough with Henne at QB, and I’m not gonna listen to it now with TT at QB. Like I said in another comment:
Except for the Center, Henne moved this same poor running, pass dropping offense between the 20s with ease. There was no excuses having to be made as to way we COULDN’T SCORE A FG. There was only whining that we ONLY SCORED A FG!
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I know Neo...
just saying they were historically bad last night at running the ball and even worse, quitting after just 7 tries.
I guess part of the bigger picture, as I’m seeing it 2/3 of the way through the season or thereabouts…..what exactly was the identity of this offense supposed to be?
They brought in Marshall, suggesting the passing game would pick up significantly….note that doesn’t necessarily mean a vertical passing game. That big-time passing game hasn’t really emerged. But then we’d been such a strong running team that that was supposed to be our bread and butter regardless. Also….hasn’t happened.
I understand the intent, a more horizontal, ball-control, short-intermediate based offense perhaps somewhat like the Eagles teams of recent years with McNabb….but if that was the intent, the product has fallen rather short of the goal.
But I haven’t heard a thing about our running attack when we weren’t scoring enough with Henne at QB
Really dude? How many of were campaining for RB this year? How many of were saying that Ronnie an Ricky are not gonna be able to hack it as starters?
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I dunno please tell me
All I heard was Henne wasn’t this, or Henne couldn’t do that. I want CP, Henne sucks. Tell me how many.
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dude we had an entire bandwagons asking for Spiller Mathews an other RB
An every person on those wagons were asking for new RB’s because we all felt R&R were not gonna be able to hack it anymore.
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an everybody not on those wagons were calling us crazy
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I know some were calling for them before the season
but I haven’t heard anyone use them as a excuse as to why we are struggling on offense, just Henne and Henning. I haven’t read anyone at all post blaming Ronnie and/or Ricky for part of our offensive woes.
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well in that sense yea none of us blame our offensive woe on them
I think everyone is blaming Henning. Now dont get me wrong I have said if Henne can fix the few problems he has he can be great but not with this OC an probably not on this team because this FO messed him up
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I can agree with this
I’m not saying Henne is great or everything was TT fault. Our offense looked bad, TT (for whatever reason) looked jumpy, lost and overwhelmed. Everyone wants to relieve him of most/any blame. I don’t think thats fair because of all the bashing Henne has taken since game 1 when he wasn’t tearin up the Bills secondary. So I will hold him responsible is all.
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by Neo on Nov 20, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have been, Neo
I’ve been talking about Ronnie not being in it, citing his DUI as an example of him not putting football first. There has been talk about him being a bust.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Uhh
Maybe, just maybe, Bears gave less respect to Tyler and hence focused to stop the run?
Not blaming Tyler for anything, but feel this is proof fans were too harsh on Henne
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Possibly but...
when you only try to run the ball 7 times, then it seems Miami gave up quicker than any game since 1990. That’s 20 years!
Come on Nat
Just want to clarify something. You aren’t trying to say that because we only ran the ball seven times is why TT struggled and couldn’t put 3 points on the board?
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why not?
an to your comment about the only change was center. That center that was changed that TT practiced with for 3 days was hurt 5 plays into the game making Icagnito the starting center.
Did you not see the problem they were having snapping the ball? Half the snaps were in the ground or wildly in accurate. Henne would have struggled just as bad. Now tell me how its fair to judge TT off one game when we have given Henne way more chances?
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Like I said
TT played in the Pitt game last year, did ok. He played last week did ok. He couldn’t couldn’t get us a FG? A FIELD GOAL.
an to your comment about the only change was center. That center that was changed that TT practiced with for 3 days was hurt 5 plays into the game making Icagnito the starting center.
Did you not see the problem they were having snapping the ball? Half the snaps were in the ground or wildly in accurate.
Thats right. With Henne is in, its all the QB’s fault, sprinkle in a few Henning haters. With TT in, its everybody’s fault except the QB’s. I’m not buying everyone making excuses for the QB, when everybody was putting everything on the QB when CP was named starter.
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really? because the Henne supporters would make excuses for his mistakes too
Its a two way street homie. So however you wanna dog the TT supporters, TT should still be given another chance with a full week of rest an practice and our starting center back. So you judging TT on one game is not fair in anyway.
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Thats right
Its a two way street homie
If everyone is gonna blame Henne and Henning for our offensive woes. When they got their (or any other QB) man at the QB position, I WILL NOT LET THEM deflect blame off the QB.
When we are only scoring FGs, it was always Henne this and that. Now we can’t even score a FG its because of this or that not the QB. Bullsh*T.
In a qtr with everyone hurt and absolutely no time to prepare he can lead us to a TD (As he did against Pitt last year I might add) but with a few days to prepare and 4 qtrs he can lead this offense to a FG?! No, you make up your excuses and place your blame anywhere you want to, I’m not gonna listen to it.
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A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
your right no excuse for the goose egg
But with the line looking like swiss cheese like it did definitely made it very difficult for it to be possible,
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Even the '07 Pats...
with Brady throwing 50 TD’s, Moss destroying defenses, and blowing teams out every week as part of what was the NFL’s best ever offense (in terms of PPG)….not once did they have just 7 rushing attempts or a mere 39 yards rushing in any single game.
So what am I saying? You aren’t going to win NFL games, no matter how good your offense is with 7 rushing attempts. And if you are playing a 3rd string QB, with your 3rd string center, your starting LT playing with one shoulder, and your best playmaker (Marshall) gone before halftime…yeah you aren’t going to succeed.
You have to run the ball to keep defenses honest, even if you aren’t gaining many yards. Even with Marino that was true, so how can it not be with all of Tyler Thigpen at QB.
Would we have won if miami ran the ball 25 times, instead of just 7? I’ve no idea, but in doing so they’d have given themselves a better, not worse, chance of scoring points.
Question is, would Thigpen have a better game?
I’d say yes…but then maybe no? They were already stacking the box and blitzing, so it’s not like it’d open up recievers. I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt though.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Maybe, maybe not...
but we all know what happens when a team becomes one-dimensional and passes on virtually every down…
Pass rushers, particularly good ones like Peppers, can pin their ear backs and tee off because they don’t have any gaps to hold against possible runs, no need to worry about even a draw play…and instead they can start focusing on just guessing the snap count and pummeling the QB.
And that’s precisely what happened as witnessed by the 6 sacks we took last night.
Are you saying TT/offense struggled the way he did
is because we only ran the ball 7 times?
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on top of many other problems
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"Puff puff, give. Puff puff, give. You f***in' up the rotation. "-Smokey-
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Like I posted before
Injuries are a good excuse for losing…..
If you are one for making up excuses. I am not.
A lot of people had us winning this game. A lot of us fans came into this game confidant we could we. That was a ugly, pathetic display of offense. No offense (no pun intended) but tell your excuses to someone that would listen.
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A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
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you right there shouldnt be an excuse
but Thigpen still deserves more than one game to prove himself Henne got more than one chance why cant Thigpen get more than one chance?
"Real gangsta-a$$ ni**as don't flex nuts cause real gangsta-a$$ ni**as know they got'em."-Geto Boyz-
"Puff puff, give. Puff puff, give. You f***in' up the rotation. "-Smokey-
"Remember it ,Write it down, take a picture, I don't give a f***."-Smokey-
The official KS-22 clan leader!!! LaRon Byrd the next Phenom from the U!!!
I never said pull TT
or he didn’t deserve another chance. But if our offense sucks, and TT plays like crap, he is gonna get bashed just like everyone else.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thank you Jesus!
very true
"Real gangsta-a$$ ni**as don't flex nuts cause real gangsta-a$$ ni**as know they got'em."-Geto Boyz-
"Puff puff, give. Puff puff, give. You f***in' up the rotation. "-Smokey-
"Remember it ,Write it down, take a picture, I don't give a f***."-Smokey-
The official KS-22 clan leader!!! LaRon Byrd the next Phenom from the U!!!
I agree Mo
If you are forming a game plan and the team has Ricky and Ronnie for RBs and TT as the QB who are you gonna try to make beat you?
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
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I am done!
This is the first time I can say that I give up on my team the Dolphins. I am also ashamed to call myself a Dolphin fan. Even when we had the 1 and 15 season, there was a fire inside the team that you can feel. Yes, 1 and 15 but played there butts off. The play calling is horrible not just last in night’s game. Chad Henne get well soon? For what? He does not make good decisions, or do you have a week old memory laps. He is done, is not a key QB.
I am not a bandwagon fan, I’ve stood proud and strong for so long. Through all the players all the loses, all of the coaches.
We have been paying for the bad decisions the Fins have been making for years. I love football, but can’t stand my team! The Bills look better in there losing season then we do.
When Dolphins, when will we have a dedicated front office that goes after players that will be great. A owner who loves the city of Miami, players and the game of football! A coach without strings!
Enough!
Well, see ya then.
This is the first time I can say that I give up on my team the Dolphins. I am also ashamed to call myself a Dolphin fan
I am not a bandwagon fan
The first statement is a definition of the second. Leaving when things are looking bad is the poster child definition of a bandwagon fan. You will not be missed.
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by Chupathingy on Nov 19, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Have seen that statement on about 25 other NFL blogs…..I think you’ll be back.
by donniethelion on Nov 19, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Good riddens. Please do not come back!
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Nov 19, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I can't wait until the draft..
Many draft projections are giving us Mark Ingram, but if things keep going the way they are I see us easily taking an offensive guard. Next year guys, next year we will win it all :). I’m also excited to watch these next couple games though.. We were way above the talent of these upcoming teams a week ago.. now they will be fun games to watch! The dolphins are “usually” good at giving us good games to watch. Too bad two of the games I get on t.v. out here in Idaho are ones where I almost wanted to turn the tv off and say it is what it is.
Reshad jones played well
wake played well we have some things to look forward to but with the injuries and the injury on the line especially right before kick off we really never had a shot.
btw fairweather fans leavign in the thrid go fuck yourself. seriously go find another team gtfo GTFO
really upsetting.
www.miamigrime.com
Thigpen was awful
and I hope and pray that I never have to see him playing for the Phins ever again
by The Last Shall Become First on Nov 19, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions
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I bleed aqua and orange, have for 45 years, so it pains me to say this. The Dolphins’ are done this year, the wheels are coming off. It’s a combination of things really, injuries of course, but this regime also has to now answer for some dreadful drafts and free agent moves that have contributed to the plight we’re now in. Totally missing on second and third round picks in today’s NFL is a ticket to nowhere, you simply must hit on some of these guys’, we’ve barely hit on any. Also signing big ticket free agents that don’t pan out is a disaster, you’ve wasted time, a roster spot, and valuable cap space when you miss. You don’t need to hit on stars all the time, but you do need to fill your roster with capable, lunch pale type guys who are tough, dependable, take coaching well and can contribute when called upon. We don’t have enough of those, not even close. When we do suffer injuries as we are now, there is no quality depth to keep us afloat as the Bear’s exposed last night. Get ready for a stormy ride, we’ll be lucky to finish 7-9 and gimme games like Oakland and even Detroit now look like probable losses. The Jets’ and NE? Forget about it. A sad ending to what looked like a promising season way back when we were 2-0.
by Biggest Dolphin Fan on Nov 19, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions
Not a Dolphins fan, but was rooting hard for them
But also saw the result coming. There was a reason he’s only won 1 or so games in his career. Dolphins need to figure out if Henne is the man or not, because it is very possible Miami will have a shot at drafting Cam Newton based on his projected slot.
There is hope!
We all know the Dolphins season has been full of ups and downs, good and bad decisions, play calls, wins and losses, injuries and new singings but what team in the NFL hasn’t?
Yes the Phins have struggled at the QB position since Marino, but QB’s of that caliber are not around every corner, I mean there are only a handful of teams right now that have excellent QB’s, and there are some that have excellent prospects, Miami needs to find one on that I do agree – I dont think Henne may be the answer he does not seem to have the leader ship and full respect of the team as we saw in thier faces against the Titans. And he has had over a year to prove himself 13 games last season and 9 this year. If he is going to be the future of Miami then all we can hope for as fans is that he re-evaluates himself finds his faults and weaknesses and strives to correct them (show leader ship, show team building skills, become more involved and enthusiastic, make better decisions, and work on viewing the field and more accurate passing – wow alot said but if they keep Henne as thier franchise QB we have to hope). I sure hope Miami goes after a QB in the draft!
With all that said about Henne lets look at the rest of the team. They have a great defense maybe not the best in NFL now but great potential! I believe they need to work on thier pass coverage extensively and be a hell of alot more prepared for the screen!, but thier ability to stop the run is pretty good and will only get better, thier red zone defense is really good with most teams having to resort to field goals.
Thier offense could be alot more productive with better execution and play calls, but they have excellent players in thier offensive lineup, With running backs like Ricky and Ronnie and 3rd down specialist Polite and with line men like Long and Berger you would think thier running game would be more potent than it is but remember I said play calling! Ummm Dan Henning? ya say goodbye Dan! they need to spread the run to the outside more I mean how many times do you run up the middle and repeat repeat repeat – every defense they play is on to that call. MIX IT UP! And now you have BMarsh, Bess, Hartline and Fasano what a pass assault they should be, yes they have dropped some but not many, no more than any other great ends or recievers, they just need more accurate passes which account for way more missed opportunities than dropped balls.
Special teams! OK we need help here – still we have great players just need to find the right combo and execute.
So with all that said remember too – that the way a team plays may not reflect what you see on the field, I think there needs to be some changes in Miami’s coaching staff and play callers – uh Dan Henning – he should not be swimming with the Dolphins! Any way they have the players the talent and the Heart to be a Championship team they just need to make some changes find a QB or refine and tune up Henne and start executing better.
So hopefully the true Fans do not give up on this team, Every team has had a slump, great years, bad years thats just the way it goes, we know every team has had bad owners or bad coaches or lacked talent at one point or another but we as fans have chose a team to follow and root for good or bad and our charachter as a fan is tested in times like these, I mean it would be easy if a team won and did good all the time every year to be a fan for them but that does not happen!
So remember there is HOPE for our Dolphins!
by phinfansince"epicinmiami" on Nov 19, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions
Fire Henning!!!!
Let Pennington take over and see what he can do! Anything is better than what we see seek in and week out.
It seems like every other team in the NFL has a gameplan for each week that takes advantage of matchups, strenghts, and weaknesses. Tell me why we never seem to do this?
We should have been run heavy with playaction for an inexperienced QB. We should have taken the pressure off of Thigpen with some Wildcat…no not us…
This is not exusable for an Off Coord. with his experience…I really think that the game has passed him up and I would love for Pennington to get an opportunity.
Matty! Don't Give B. Marshall A Free Pass!!!!!
B. Marshall has let this team down. Not only has he dropped key passes, he’s given up yards in penalties from stupid taunts in key areas on the field. We as a fan base can’t seat idle a watch him do this to our team. As journalist, you guys can’t let this slide! Call him out!
dolphin fan from the bronx.....
These jet fans are loving our week 11 collapse and they just love rubbing salt into our open wounds. Its awful! To all the henne haters, I hope u keep hating and watch henne become the qb some of us other fin fans think he can become. Unless we go 5-1 or 6-0 the rest of the way, I’m so upset with this season I’m some what leaning towards tanking and just improving our draft position. I also hope Sparano is back but Henning can just go to the garbage. Its just ridiculous how this questionable play calling continues. I can say a million other things but ill refrain from saying them right now
by ricenbeans82 on Nov 19, 2010 8:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Thanks for sharing. I don't envy that you have to deal with Jets fans all the time, but I appreciate your perspective
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I don't know any Jets fans who are loving your week 11 collapse
First off, almost all the Jets fans I know felt really badly about Pennington being injured. He is still widely respected and liked here in NY. Jets fans also respect Henne because he has been at his best against us. I think he will be a solid quarterback for years to come. Lastly, Jets fans are mostly grateful that we made it through 2 overtime games with wins. While the Lions and Browns are better than their records, they still aren’t the elite of the NFL and that has most of us more than a little concerned and that is where most of our attention is. Just thought I would give you a more realistic perspective.
by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 20, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I guess you missed when your assclown of a mod found it acceptable to come and
rub in the loss right after the game the other night. What a classless fool that douche is. Shocking that hes actually been given the reigns of the entire blog over there. Sad!
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Nov 20, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit, that was the moderater?
Also, Jets fans only respect Pennington because he’s not a Jet anymore.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Yeah one of the two was a mod.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Nov 21, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like we'll be drafting OL early and often next year
I now understand why Sparano took SO long to name the starters seeing how we suck horribly up the middle for starter material much less depth.
This FO did an outstanding job bringing in Grove and Smiley and had they stayed healthy I could see 3 Pro-Bowlers on our OL alone and while that didn’t happen they evidently were psychic concerning Jason Brown,you know the guy EVERYONE was clamoring for and accused the FO of being too tight when they didn’t sign him at 37.5 for 5 years with 20 guaranteed,since he’s rated 31st out of 34 who qualified at that position so it could be worse I suppose…better OL,ANY run of the mill OC under 85 and we’d be much much better IMO.
by firedanhenningnow on Nov 19, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions
We r loseing Wake's & Dansby's cridical years, nuthin is garrenteed at all by the time we get a good offense. I've seen this before, our defense will be ground into SH!T
I remember when we were blest, with “Dany Marino” we needed the killer bee’s. But we burnt up the best defense, of “there time” on woodly years!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Nov 20, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions
Andrew Luck is looking great today
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
i considered myself one of the most optimistic fans
But reality hasn’t sneaked in its barged through the door. I want Sparano back, hopefully this owner feels the same way. Even after our team travels through the valley of shadow and death.
by ricenbeans82 on Nov 20, 2010 4:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lots of Back and Forth...
I actually was in Orlando watching this game at a Sports Bar…I was shocked we couldn’t even get into field goal range…and with DC$…that’s saying something.
Injuries can kill a season, and the expectations of a season. We’re definitely up against the wall…but we’re still better than that 1-15 darkness we suffered a couple of years ago.
We have two winnable games in the next two weeks…Oakland and Cleveland….then we’re 7-5…then it’s up to the boys to see what they are able to throw at the division teams…and you never know.

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