Eye to eye, ending the Henne vs Pennington debate now.

by Stats407 on Oct 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT

Ok as you can see people have alot of doubt towards Henne as the starter and are calling for CP10. So in my research based only off of stats,facts, scouting reports, which is all objective towards my personal feelings I am 100% sure Henne is the leader of this team now and for the future. People compared Henne to other QBs such as Mark Sanchez,Flacco etc. which is fair but why not Pennington with his first 17 games here as a starter.

CP10 Stats in 17 games as a starter.

Season

Team

QBRat

Comp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/G

Y/A

Int

Rush

Yds

Y/G

Avg

Sack

YdsL

Fum

FumL

Season	Team		Passing	Rushing	Fumbles
G	GS	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Sck	SckY	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	FUM	Lost

Season

Team

Passing

Rushing

Fumbles

Comp

Att

Pct

Yds

Avg

Int

Sck

SckY

Rate

Att

Yds

Avg

FUM

Lost

2008-09

Miami

97.4

321

476

67.4

3653

228.3

7.7

3.9

2.1

121

Season	Team		Passing	Rushing	Fumbles
G	GS	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Sck	SckY	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	FUM	Lost

Season

Team

Passing

Rushing

Fumbles

Comp

Att

Pct

Yds

Avg

Int

Sck

SckY

Rate

Att

Yds

Avg

FUM

Lost

Season	Team		Passing	Rushing	Fumbles
G	GS	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Sck	SckY	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	FUM	Lost

Season

Team

Passing

Rushing

Fumbles

Comp

Att

Pct

Yds

Avg

Int

Sck

SckY

Rate

Att

Yds

Avg

FUM

Lost

2008	Miami Dolphins	16	16	321	476	67.4	3,653	7.7	19	7	24	121	97.4	30	62	2.1	1	3	1

2008

Miami Dolphins

321

476

67.4

3,653

7.7

121

97.4

2.1

This is including a playoff start.

CH7

Season

Team

QBRat

Comp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/G

Y/A

Int

Rush

Yds

Y/G

Avg

Sack

YdsL

Fum

FumL

2009-10

Miami

75.2

274

451

60.8

2878

205.6

6.4

2.3

2.0

176

2010-11

Miami

86.2

131

64.1

964

241.0

7.4

0.0

CH7 as of now through 17 games.

Sorry you may have to adjust the stat line a little bit.

Scouting and Draft reviews on Henne.

Chad Henne Scouting Report by Mostly

Pros:Chad Henne's strong arm capabilites should suite him well in the NFL. His ability to find the big play receivers for long routes will attract some attention from professional scouts. He was a four year starter for Lyod Carr at Michigan and has played against physical defenses in the Big Ten Conference. Henne Has good size, has been relatively injury free though he has played four years. Great arm strength, can make all the throws, and had the luxury of playing with Avant, Breaton, Braylon Edwards, and future picks Arrington and Manningham. Great leadership, has played through injury. He is very poised and confident as well, dispite another review Chad always played well in big games. Check his Rosebowl stats his freshman year, and his numbers in his first three OSU games.

Cons: His deep ball tends to sail somewhat. He isn't very mobile. More importantly, has a slight hitch in his wind up. Henne will throw the bone headed interception every so often, and looks like a fish out of water when the pocket collapses.

Overall: With a premium on qb's Henne will get his shot. Henne is a second round selection. He became the forgotten mad after the terrible season the Wolverines had. Scouts rave about Matt Ryan, Brohm and Woodson. I think Woodson the class of this class, and Henne is second. However, I think the combine may hurt his stock. His numbers were hurt by his senior year injuries. However, he is a strong leader, with arm strength, and he is battle tested. It is also worth a mention that GM's know Tom Brady went 16-0 this year, and Todd Collins lead the flounder Redskins to the playoffs. Having Michigan QB's doing so well, may make someone reach for Henne higher than we anticipate.

Ok now and finally here our some other QB comparisons to Chad in their first season as a starter Drew Brees and Jamarcus Russell. I Think its fair to compare a great QB and an awful QB to find balance in a Subject all qb's that i'm noting has a big arm and they also had #1 WRs so I think its fair.

DB#9 1st Season

2002

SDG

8-8-0

320

526

60.8

3284

3.2

3.0

6.2

5.5

10.3

205.3

76.9

JR#2 1st Season

2008

OAK

5-10-0

198

368

53.8

2423

3.5

2.2

6.6

6.3

12.2

161.5

77.1

Now heres something you may not know. Quick story about Dan Henning and Chad Henne.

When Dolphins quarterback Chad Henne takes the field, for the most part, everything he does is categorically orchestrated by Miami offensive coordinator Dan Henning. But as far as his preference is concerned on whether he plays out of the shotgun or under center, Henne calls the shots. Dolphins Coach Tony Sparano and Dan Henning both admitted this fact during the week after questions arose on why Henne rarely takes snaps out of the shotgun.

In the shotgun formation, the football is snapped back to the quarterback who is standing several yards behind the center off the line of scrimmage. In that scenario, the quarterback would essentially have extra time to see the defense coming his way. However, under center, the football can simply be handed to the quarterback where he doesn’t have to be concerned about catching the football.

“Yeah, I do,” Henne said Friday when asked if he likes being under center better than in the shotgun formation. “I think just being under center I feel like I can see the safeties a little bit more, feel the coverage more.” “When you’re in the shotgun, I think when you’re taking a snap you have a split second where you don’t see the safeties rotate or know where people are at.”

Whether a quarterback decides to take snaps under center or out of the shotgun really doesn’t affect a player’s production. Former Cowboys quarterback Drew Bledsoe, for example, was a player who also preferred to take snaps under center, while current Dallas QB Tony Romo favors taking them out of the shotgun.

“Catching the ball in the shotgun and then getting your footwork right and throwing the ball, sometimes you can lose that one tick it takes maybe to make that throw,” Dolphins Coach Tony Sparano said. “I think a guy like Tony Romo likes to live in the shotgun; he’ll stay back there and do that, and I think because of his ability to escape, that’s probably the reason why. Where Chad would rather have the ball in his hand.”

Another facet of taking snaps out of the shotgun is that while the quarterback may have more time, the defense already knows that the QB is going to pass; so most of the time it eliminates the element of surprise.

So all of you Henne Critics STFU it's over Henne is and will be our Future Leader. I did have 6 videos to support my case from Henne's Michigan and Miami Highlights and low lights and you can SEE clearly, he has took major strides. He is accurate and making quick reads. Over all Henne will take us far. Thank you for reading my long post I won't be able to comment today but tomorrow i'm up for debate. Thanks Fin Fans and you little CLS guys leave the Phinsider. In Dolphin Nation we are Wolves, Chad Henne i'm glad you know you are not Marino, but you did follow his advice by picking a guy and letting it fly.

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wow

i hate when people do what you just did with the copy and paste stats

IM HUNGRY, FEED THE WOLF

by dolfan702 on Oct 15, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions

same here

although I do agree with his arguement

Miami's Superstarts: Brandon Marshall, Karlos Dansby, Vontae Davis (just wait), Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and Hanley Ramirez :)

by finzrule on Oct 15, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

argument*

Miami's Superstarts: Brandon Marshall, Karlos Dansby, Vontae Davis (just wait), Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and Hanley Ramirez :)

by finzrule on Oct 15, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

couldnt understand whats going on here

You gotta hate to lose more than you want to win

by alwaysafan on Oct 17, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Stop beating a dead horse man and move on to Game 5

College stats, Brees, and Russell comparisons are groundless and being compared to CP10 is fruitless. Henne’s future depends solely on Henne, not you or anybody else outside the Dolphin organization. People are entitled to their opinions, and all in Phinsider has just as much right to be here as you. So grab some pom-poms and howl like a wolf come Sunday and join all in our push for the playoffs, behind a Henne led offense.

Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW

by fin4three5yrs on Oct 15, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions

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by PotM on Oct 15, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Unite our nation, don't divide because of differing opinions. Play alone will prove the

critics wrong. Sorry Pot, just time to deal with the real issue, winning games again.

Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW

by fin4three5yrs on Oct 16, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions

I think I have a very different opinion of a fansite than you have

Yes there is a community (characterize it as “national” if you so choose) but the only time it really requires “unity” is at the game where everyone there should be cheering. Outside of that it makes no difference. What we focus on and what we debate about won’t actually impact “winning games”. Yes play alone will prove the critics wrong… or right. I also take it as a given that 99.999% of fans truly care about the “real issue” of winning games again. That is almost completely irrelevant to how people want to shoot the shit on a fansite. This isn’t like post 9/11 america or after the bombing of pearl harbor where the nation needs to get together and be strong in order to fight our enemies. We like football. We like to talk about football. Some people like to talk about Henne (and think that his position as our QB is relevant to that “real issue” of winning) and disagree about him.

There is no need to unite our opinons because we are already united on wanting the fins to win, and because unity regarding divisive issues like this won’t really make a difference.
Indeed, if there is no disagreement then the community fun aspect of this site is diminished and “unity” therefore can be a bad thing. Where I do agree is where divisive issues like this one leads to lack of civility as that will kill the community fun of a fansite.

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by Strange on Oct 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

well said

by PotM on Oct 16, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Debate during the week is fine.

My concern is when it’s game day and all the negative talk leads up to negative fans. I mean we don’t want to become the Eagles fans here. Fans can negatively affect players especially with all the negative media out there. I mean we are 2-2(our best start in years) and still recovering our talent level. We should realize there are still growing pains to be had for the team.

by Pirate25 on Oct 17, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions

That is what I have been trying to say, my post was directed at the "STFU"

remark and “all the lil CLS guys leave the finsider.” I to like to talk football, but in no way I will make those kind of remarks because I am hearing opinions I don’t agree with. I did not say unite our opinions, but stay united as dolphin fans(nation), no matter how views differ, and thank you for addressing this misunderstanding.

Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW

by fin4three5yrs on Oct 16, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions

there are opinions and then there are facts, a QB that throws 325+ yards in two games is not

having a bad stretch.

by PotM on Oct 16, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

You are absolutely right and I stand behind our qb.

I agree with the points of the post, but the attitude toward other fin fans I can’t get wit. I have seen Jets fans treated better than that. This is just my take and I will man up to anything or anyone who dons the teal and orange.

Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW

by fin4three5yrs on Oct 17, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions