Operation BM (Bring B. Marshall to Miami)
by Fr8Train on Jan 7, 2010 12:00 PM EST
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Okay, we all know the situation, we all that we still need that true #1 WR for this offense to spring to life. Well, we also now know with all certainty that the Broncos are going to shop Brandon Marshall and trade him away in March since they've made it know.
Here is what we know about Brandon Marshall
| Year | Team | G | Rec | Yds | Avg | Yds/G | Lng | TD | 20+ | 40+ |
| 2009 | Broncos | 15 | 101 | 1,120 | 11.1 | 74.7 | 75T | 10 | 11 | 4 |
| 2008 | Broncos | 15 | 104 | 1,265 | 12.2 | 84.3 | 47 | 6 | 16 | 1 |
| 2007 | Broncos | 16 | 102 | 1,325 | 13 | 82.8 | 68T | 7 | 13 | 3 |
| 2006 | Broncos | 15 | 20 | 309 | 15.5 | 20.6 | 71T | 2 | 3 | 1 |
What stands out to me is that he has ove 100 receptions 3 years in a row, and thats with a recent QB switch. What also stands out to me is that he's consistently over 1,000 yards per year. I'm not worried about the TD's, as even Andre Johnson doesn't score a lot. What we also know about BM is that he holds the record for most completions in a game, this season with 21 receptions in a single game....and thats facing double coverage for most if not all of that game.
For all of the talk about off the field issues, cancers etc... I'll just say this. Really? I don't care. Shocked? Don't be. Because if all drafted were choir boys, we'd rename our team the Ravenscroft Beauty College for Girls..... Professional Football players, especially star players, seem to push the envelope. I'm not condoning it, I think its horrible, and I think we have a legal system to deal with those issues. For all of BM's off the field issues, he's still started 15 games every single season that he's been in the league. Thats more than our own beloved Ronnie Brown. So, his off the field issues aren't enough to get him suspended or incarcerated.
Then there is the argument that we can find an Andre Johnson type player in the draft. Really? Cuz, 32 teams have been looking for those players for years..... and outside of Larry Fitzgerald and AJ himself, all 32 teams have failed to find that player....year after year after year.
WR's drafted by Year over the last 3 years.
2007 - 34 WR's were drafted
Notables: C. Johnson, T. Ginn, D. Bowe, S. Rice, S. Smith (NYG), S. Breaston,
A. Gonzalez, R. Meachem
Calvin Johnson, Rice, and Bowe can be considered legit #1, but other than CJ, are any
of these guys even close to BM? I'll even give Rice a pass, and we'll say 2 out of 34.
2008 - 35 WR's were drafted
Notables: P. Garcon, D. Jackson, D. Avery, D. Bess
I'll go out on a limb and say of those D. Jack is the only one equivalent to BM.
2009 - 35 WR's were drafted
Notables: P. Harvin, D. Heyward-Bey, M. Crabtree, K. Britt, B. Hartline
Obviously maybe only Harvin is even close. Crabtree has potential, as does Britt, but
none of them are really up to where BM is.
So in 3 years, 104 WR's were drafted. And we're saying out of that 104, only 5-6 TOPS are close to BM's proven productivity..... and thats really being favorable... thats less than 6% success rate in drafting. And 2007 was a good year for WR's, lots of potential in that draft.
The Plan:
What we know:
a) We need a true #1 WR
b) One is available
c) We have the draft picks to acquire this player
d) Our other Needs on the Defensive side, are usually found in the middle of the draft.
e) We have an owner that likes to cater to the fans
(see all of the recent changes with the stadium/celebrities etc)
What we are going to do:
Individually:
1) We're going to flood the Front Office, specifically Bill Parcells, with postcards requesting
we trade for BM.
2) The cost of a postcard is usually less than $1.50 and you can get cheap ones for under $1.
Postage is 44 cents.
or as a group
We, or I, set up a website, with a chipin function on it....everyone donates to it, and we use the money donated to have a web postcard company like Postcards.com bulk mail out however many we can purchase.
| Quantity | Bulk Mail | |
| 100 | $62.99 | |
| 300 | $146.99 | |
| 500 | $228.49 | |
| 1,000 | $380.99 | |
| 2,000 | $729.99 | |
| 3,000 | $1,035.99 | |
| 5,000 | $1,645.99 | |
| 10,000 | $3,179.99 |
The message should be the same on all Postcards... i'm up for discussion on this, but figured we could keep it simple:
Dear Bill:
Please trade for Brandon Marshall. Only
3-6 WRs in the last 3 drafts are of his
caliber. Take the proven commodity over
the lottery ticket.
Signed:
Fans at ThePhinsider.com
Miami Fans worldwide
We set a date of February 1st, or 7th for the mailing.... and hopefully we can get him several thousand delivered.
I'll post this information on as many Miami Dolphins blogs as I can find....and if we truly get a good response, I'll even send out a press release to media outlets in the Miami area about a fan push to acquire Brandon Marshall.....
So.....are we in? Do I need to set up a quick website? What are you thoughts?
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I admire the work that went into this post...
but I disagree about BM (I will try to keep an open mind).
There is a REASON why he is available. He’s a head-case.
Broncos fans have been cheering him on for the past 3 years, cheered every play, and many don’t want to have anything to do with the guy.
Giving up draft picks and tons of money to a head-case is risky. Too risky…especially when the admin here is pretty good at drafting…
Abandoned the Draft Sean Smith at #25 Bandwagon to Join the Draft Sean Smith at #61 Bandwagon and get Vontae Davis and Chris Clemons. Trio > me.
Yes, he is very good at drafting...
But the odds are against him, not to mention, he doesn’t get to pick the draft positions, or who the other 31 teams choose.
As far as being a headcase….. it comes with the position. Put a headcase in a good position, with a good head coach/front office, and alot of those issues go away….. Think of Randy Moss.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
He wouldn't take a WR in the first round in most cases anyways
Not with our needs on defense. You know Bill loves defense and after watching us this year, I would love to see a defense show up. I think he will go defense with the first 3 rounds unless a huge steal falls to us.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 7, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like Brandon Marshall is more like TO than Randy Moss
Abandoned the Draft Sean Smith at #25 Bandwagon to Join the Draft Sean Smith at #61 Bandwagon and get Vontae Davis and Chris Clemons. Trio > me.
by DolphDallas on Jan 8, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I would agree with Dolph
Randy isn’t the cancer that TO is….and I think Brandon is a cancer to a locker room. Sure he is a great WR but I don’t like his drama. I don’t think he is nearly as bad as TO but I can definitely see the comparison.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
What makes you say he's a cancer to the locker room?
There has been absolutely ZERO news or players speaking anything even like that.
This past year, he had lost his QB and his head coach, and was pushing to redo his contract. His actions were no different that Josh Cribbs, Boldin, or any other player holding for the business side of this game.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
You can't tell me that the drama over the last couple years doesn't tear a locker room apart
Simply by him having those issues can divide a locker room! His issues with the new coaching staff drew players that didn’t have an issue with the coach into the mental game and will start creating doubts. It isn’t healthy and it regardless of you try to spin BMs situation it is far different than Cribbs, Boldins, or any other people with strictly money issues. It was personal between BM and the Broncos new staff. I can promise that there were players that were subjected to drama they didn’t want to be involved in.
Players respect the simple business side of the house and tend to avoid getting involved. That wasn’t the case in Denver. Boldin hasn’t been “DEMANDING” to be traded. He and Cribbs have voiced their desire to get paid but beyond that haven’t caused any locker room issues.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
My opinion (take it for what its worth)
Is there the whole “dividing a locker room”, is that its just a media story. I’ve gotten to speak to quite a few NFL guys for 5-10 years just helping promote Rod Woodson’s Charity Camp in Fort Wayne, IN (I was a DJ there back in the day)…. I think they are all grown men, and they really don’t get into it. Especially when its contract related. It happens in every single locker room in the NFL, there is always a player or 2 that it happens with, and guys in the NFL are used to it. They are used to the media coverage, the drama, I highly doubt its ever as bad as its portrayed.
And I thought Boldin did demand to be traded if a new contract wasn’t done? Just like Ochocinco did….just like TO did….just like most elite talent has done at one point in their careers.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
trifecta would only take him if they were satisfied on this
a different venue might make him ‘more like moss’
by a1a on Jan 8, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's different
But all I can relate it to is leadership in the Marine Corps. If we have a guy that has personal issues with the platoon Sergeant and he is airing his feelings, it is like a disease. He takes away the effectiveness and the cohesion of the unit. I have to believe that it is the same way on a football team (I played high school ball and tackle ball in the Marines so I am basing it also off issues seen 1st hand there as well). When the trust is gone on one or both parts, it’s extremely tough to recover from and it drags others into the drama.
I wouldn’t avoid him simply for the “drama”…..as I said, it’s a combination of three things.
1. What I would have to give up in order to get him
2. We have far more pressing needs (and this would be my first point of contention if I was ranking) on the defensive side of the ball.
3. We don’t have strong leadership on the offensive side of the ball to keep BM in check in case drama or BS started to fly with him (after we would have given up too much for him with our glaring needs defensively)
That’s just my opinion. I am not saying you are wrong for yours…just that I would do things differently than you would. Armchair GM is fun especially when you aren’t held accountable for our opinions.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
And thats really all we are doing ....
is being armchair GM’s….
We both agree our Defense is in serious need of an adjustment.
I think where we differ is that we disagree on what we can actually do with our defense this year, even if we make the trade for Marshall.
I see us still with a 2nd round pick, and ability to pick up a 3rd rounder for Ginn. That gives us the same draft ability (minus the 1st rounder). In my mind, I can’t see a first round rookie draft pick stepping into a superior game changer.
I see us spending a 2nd, a 3rd (that we get for Ginn), and our other picks on the defensive side of the ball…. I see also also addressing the NT position in FA.
I see us being able to improve our Defense, not to a top 10 defense, but more like a 17-15th ranked defense…. but by making the trade, i see us moving our offense into one of the more potent scoring offenses in the league for a decade to come.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Might be the case
But I am a defensive minded guy when it comes to football, might be that I played defense and that’s where my heart lies, not sure. Sounds like we want the same thing, just willing to go different routes to get there. I would argue that IF we did have a top tier WR, like a Marshall or a Johnson or Jackson…..what would that do for the ability of Ginn? I wouldn’t want to trade him if we had that number 1. I really honestly believe he has superior speed that would compliment a true number 1 that they would make one another special when kept together. So I would want to trade Ginn until you at least try him one year with that proven number 1. You are set with Hartline, Bess, and Camarillo as your Slot or other possession WR.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ginn....
He has the speed, and is a decent Returner for sure. But I worry about his hands and unwillingness to fight for the yards. For that I’m willing to give him up (his YAC this year was 1.3 yards).
And, maybe we can sign Cribbs in FA.
But, even if we kept Ginn…then we could trade Cammy for a 4th, maybe a 5th….. and still gain a draft slot, albeit a lower one.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Deep threat only
The guy can seriously stretch the field if the defense also has someone else to worry about. With only Bess and Hartline, a defense knows it won’t get killed and they protect vs Ginn. Now if you had that elite guy, that demanded double team or “else”, that would leave Ginn being covered by a number 2 or 3 with no help from a safety. Sure he doesn’t have the best hands but I would throw deep (40-50+yards) at least 2-3 times a game. IF you only connect on 25% of those throws, that’s still 8 TDs for the year. Think we would take 8 TDs a year from Ginn with a true number 1? I don’t think it is far fetched as Henne has more of a chance to work on the deep ball with Ginn.
But alas, that’s a big IF and I don’t think we will have to worry about that situation next year.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ginn was tied for 4th
in the league in Drops, so I’m worried that even if he’s open on those bombs, that he drops it, like he consistently has done.
I can attribute his disappearing in some games to the coverage, and he not being a true #1, but I can’t discount his technique (catching with his body not his hands)…. No matter who is on the other side of him, that doesn’t change
Leader of the - Settle down Junior!, Henne is the Starter Movement
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Yeah but none of them were deep posts or fly routes
He drops when he has to go up over the middle or in the end zone. So don’t have him run those routes. Let him stick to deep routes and reverses as well as deep outs and quick bubble screens. He didn’t drop any passes the 2nd half of the year so that warrants some consideration and possibly fixing the problem.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said
No drops in the 2nd half of the year….we played the Colts in week 2 and we all remember week 2 (which oddly enough was his most productive receiving game of the year…even with the 2 key drops)
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Cammy for a 4th or 5th
i am sorry but anything less than a 3rd is something this FO is not willing to do.
I doubt we'd get a 3rd....
just because he’s recently coming off the ACL and hasn’t really blown the doors off anyone this season. He’s consistent and has unbelievable hands, but I think a 3rd is a stretch for him. If we got it, great, supports my argument… but I doubt we’d get it.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
You dont see a first rounder being a serious game changer?
I have to say I may disagree on that. Our past 2 first round picks that this FO chose have helped our team alot.
can't argue that fact....
but again, a first round pick is only a game changing potential.
2008 Defensive 1st round picks
- DE Tyson Jackson – 37 total tackles for the Chiefs
- OLB Aaron Curry – Solid with 61 tackles, 2 Sacks, 2 FF
- DT B.J. Raji – 25 total tackles, 1 sack for the Packers
- DE Aaron Maybin – 18 Total Tackles for the Bills
- LB Brian Orakpo – 50 tackles, 11 sacks (solid for WASH)
- CB Malcolm Jenkins – 55 tackles, 1 INT (solid for NO)
- OLB Brian Cushing – Stud…no need to say more
- DE Larry English – 36 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF for SD
- LB Robert Ayers – 19 tackles for Denver
- DT Peria Jerry – 1 tackle in only 1 game played for ATL
- CB Vontae Davis – We know about him
- LB Clay Matthews – 50 Tackles, 10 sacks. Solid for GB
- DE Ziggy Hood – 8 Tackles, 1 Sack for PITT.
So out of 13 drafted in the 1st round, 6 were solid contributors, less than 50%. If you are okay with those odds then okay…and I’m aware BP has a good draft record. But I play the odds, thats why the house always wins.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Comes with the position?
Randy Moss, Terrell ownes and Brandon marshall are the only three in awhile that I can think of that are maybe divas. maybe Steve Smith and Plaxico Burress. But Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, DeSean jackson, Cris Carter, Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, Vincent jackson, Sanatan Moss, Dwayne Bowe and the list goes on. yeah some may have had incidents of misconduct but not consistent. This guy on the other hand is a liability. Sure we lose Ronnie most seasons to injury. But not because he smacked the dog piss out a girl. Or choked slammed some chick. And can you imagine him in South beach on a regular basis? OMG, he may go crazy.
Go ahead and put Boldin on that list...
Have you seen his tirades on the sidelines?
And TO hasn’t had a legal issue since being in the league….not a one.
Santana Moss & Dwayne Bowe aren’t even half the caliber of Brandon Marshall and you know it.
So out of your list.
Moss, TO, Marshall, Smith, Burress, Boldin, and I’ll add Ochocinco are “troublemakers”
A Johnson, Fitzgerald, Jackson, C Johnson, Jackson are not….
thats almost 60% so called “locker room dividers”….yeah it comes with the position.
And Yes I can imagine BM on South Beach….especially since he went to school only a few hours away at UCF…. where he had 1 altercation with Police.
His other off the field issues:
1 DUI
2 Domestic Disturbances (both cases dropped)
1 Illegal Lance Change and driving without insurance (ooohhh)
1 Misdemeanor Battery that the court found him NOT Guilty.
Not lot there (and of course I don’t condone any domestic disturbance)
Jerry Rice, and Carter are from a different era…..
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Thats a friggin ton considering hes only been in the league for 3 years.
By the way that battery charge was on an officer. I dont care what a jury said if you get a battery charge on a cop you f**ked up big time somewhere. Its also the thugs he runs with. That kid that played for the Broncos that was shot suposedly happened because of an altercation that one of the shooters had with Marshalls cousin who he runs with. I think the guy sounds like a time bomb waiting to explode on south beach.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 8, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Battery on a cop is not always serious....
let me clarify.
In a club, if you are involved in a fight, and a cop comes up and tries to pull you off the guy and you push him or swing at him in the moment……its battery of a policy officer. If you resist its battery….
Darrant Williams was the players name….and Marshall actually out with him. But noone has be caught, so its unlikely it has something to do with Marshall’s cousin.
Leader of the - Settle down Junior!, Henne is the Starter Movement
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
You know the guy thats always in trouble is destined to continue to repeat
it untill he admits he has an issue. Marshall is one of those guys at this point. Hell on top of all his other issues the guy has been charged with hitting two different women. They always wind up dropping the charges but having been in law inforcement this happens more times than not but a guy that has been arrested on such charges more than once is almost alway guilty. Unfortunatly abusers are either able to convice to abused to drop the charges or the abused are more afraid of the abuser than the police. Hes a bad guy and I will never understand why so many on this site are clamoring to get this guy. Everybody that makes a mistake deserves a second chance in this world but thats for the guy that has shown he has changed his ways. We have yet to see an offeseason without an arrest for Mr. Marshall. I would want to see the guy come out and say hes going to change his ways and then prove he can do so before I would be on that bandwagon.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
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by texascowpunk on Jan 9, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention I think that Vincent Jackson would be a better fit for us
We have the shorter yardage WRs in Bess and Camarillo and Jackson is more of a deep threat guy. Imagine the holes he would open up underneath for Bess, Hartline and Camarillo….as well as our TE.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 7, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Vincent Jackson isn't available....
We know he’s a FA, but he’ll undoubtedly be re-signed or tagged…..
We know BM is available on the market…..
Leader of the - Settle down Junior!, Henne is the Starter Movement
"We've moved. We're Here....Get Over it"
If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
And Marshall isn't technically available either
So we are still talking apples to apples
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 7, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Marshall is available....
The Broncos have made it known that they intend to shop Marshall and trade him in March
All but sending out a press release, its a pretty known fact at this point.
Leader of the - Settle down Junior!, Henne is the Starter Movement
"We've moved. We're Here....Get Over it"
If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
SO he is just as available as Jackson is
Maybe the Chargers having put him on the market but you can still trade for him. Thats all I am saying. Granted, who are we most likely to be able to get….Marshall. I am only saying I think Jackson would fit our team better (with what he brings and well as attitude) than Marshall and I would prefer Jackson.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
agree on vincent jackson
your right vanman jackson would be a welcome addition to our receiving corps because he is a legit deep threat and i was glad to see that you mentioned our tight end . he would definately open up the middle for fasano who would have a huge year if we had jackson. henne has to start using the tight ends more because that would in turn open up out moderate to deep threat game with hartline and camarillo, just like you said. hope you had a good christmas and new year!
Thanks brother
Hope you had a great one as well.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Great research
But really, do you want a guy with his head? He seems like he’d be in the papers for getting arrested in South Beach more than anything.
Why does everyone use "headache" as an excuse? How about the Patriots pick him up....
Would you like that? How would like it if Wes Welker, Moss, and BM were all on the field killing us for the next several seasons at the least. I wish people would stop dismissing this option that is a possibility. There are plenty of other teams that would love to have BM, so stop playing the “Mighter-than-though” card and make something happen.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Jan 8, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
it's holier than thou......but i totally agree
the only difference between what some of these players do off the field and others is that some get caught and some don’t………you naysayers are all hypocrites…… hypothetically speaking, if we picked him up and won the super bowl and he was the mvp….none of you would be saying “i guess it’s cool that we won the super bowl but that brandon marshall is a real head case”
spare us the morality lesson please……….
Just one mans opinion...
If we got Marshall
Would I support him? Sure….would I root for him? Sure. But without knowing what will happen, I wouldn’t make him my option knowing my glaring needs on defense, that we have a severe lack of leadership on the offensive side of the ball to keep him in check, and that there are other options out there. A 1st and 3rd is too much for me to make the move….sorry. Now if I had a crystal ball and could see the results…and I knew he would “WIN” us the super bowl…sure, who wouldn’t take the chance? That’s a no brainer.
I guess I am more from the old school mentality. What tends to win games and SuperBowls? Defense……and what is our biggest need? DEFENSE.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Finally some one joins my fight
If the Fins were only in need of WR like the Vikings were in need of a QB, I would throw a 1st and 3rd at him, but as you mention DEFENSE. And I don’t care if the Fins take a NT or a LB or a Safety in the First it is an improvement on DEFENSE. Clearly I hope the Fins to take a LB, but best player available at the time.
If there was a trade to happen for Marshall it would most likely be on Draft day right before the pick, if they felt nothing was worth the 12th to them and Marshal clearly did.
The Patriots Suck
Also I think it would only happen if it was a 1st not 1 and 3
And only if they felt there was enough value in Round 2 for a quality defense player.
The Patriots Suck
I am right there with you on that
I would pay a 2nd or even just a 1st round pick on draft day, when it is our selection and there isn’t the pick that we want available. I just firmly believe, and no one will EVER convince me other wise, that a good defense is more important than a good offense. I also believe in balance so you want to look to improve offense this year, but your main focus should be getting better in playmaking ability on defense, tackling, and stopping teams! I can guarantee that our offense will be notably better even without BM, just with the extra time to gel. Look at our offense from say week 8 and then compair it with week 15 and 16. Now I am not talking about winning or losing those games, I am talking about our ability to move the ball with the WRs, and assuming Ronnie comes back healthy. I was skeptical about Henne, but the boy can throw. I had my doubts about Hartline, but he really stepped up. You know what you get with Bess and Camarillo. We will be notably better on offense with no additions.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
The Patriots have the leadership to control the headaches
Who on the Dolphins would control him? We are young….we don’t have Tom Brady to tell him to shut up and do his job and let me worry about who I throw to. We don’t have the established Super Bowl track record that shows if you do what we tell you, this is what will happen.
I am not saying BM isn’t talented. I am saying i don’t want to pay what would MOST LIKELY be required, in order to trade for him knowing that you get the baggage that comes along with him. I don’t think the Pats would have paid a 1st and a 3rd for Moss and I don’t think they would overpay for Marshall. I don’t like headache players and Marshall is a headache player in my opinion….although a hugely talented player. I guess I also remember when we played the Broncos last year and our DB said it was easy to take Marshall out of the game by being very physical with him. What did he have….one or two catches against us. If I am paying what is most likely going to be the going price, I want someone that will play virtually every down, give 100% regardless of if he is getting the ball, and who is a leader….not a cancer.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
To be honest
Whether we get him or not really depends on one thing. How bad baltimore wants him. I mean they need help also in the receiving corps. their #1 retired last year just o come back and may retire again. They have made the playoffs more often than us, so they would be willing to give up pcks for the guy. Also they have a QB with a great arm just like we do, but with more experience. they have an established running game and offensive line like we do. Except their defense is way better than ours. They are already Super Bowl contenders and they will see BM as that last peice of the puzzle they need to get them over the hump. I see Baltimore giving up just as much as Chicago did to get Jay Cutler. I mean it makes sense in a way.
Don't Care of his head case
I think a change in scenery can be helpful to many players attitudes.
I also admire your research, but I do not think Percy Harvin, D. Jackson or any smaller quick fast WR is Marshalls caliber. A. Johnson, C. Johnson, L. Fitzgerald, A. Boldin are his caliber, even H. Nicks and K. Britt and M. Crabtree can be his caliber. They are the big physical WR that everyone wants.
Dez Bryant and A. Benns in this up coming draft have the pontential to be his talent as well.
Problem is Marshall is going to cost to much in draft picks to the FO. Yes it is need, but I think the FO will want to go a different direction in the draft then WR. If Parcells and Co addresses WR this season it is through FA, or a lesser priced trade then Marshall.
Don’t forget Turner was drafted in the 3rd round by this team for a reason, we have no idea his potential or what he is going to be, for all we know he explodes like Miles Austin did.
Also I highly doubt Post cards or a website will do anything to bring Marshall in… I dunno if this was a joke or not, but it should be
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I'll tell you this about the postcards....
its not going to dictate their moves…. but I will also tell you this as someone who has worked in the media for a good 10-15 years….. it makes an impact.
If 10,000 people respond to something, every executive knows that there are 10x that amount that think the same but just didn’t reply. Its a microcosm of your base…..90% of the people don’t take any action…. so when you get a great reaction of your base, people take notice.
Little things like this have saved TV shows (from Star Trek to Friends to Jericho etc), they’ve pushed promoters to spend several hundred thousands of dollars to bring in recording artists for a show, they’ve pushed Sponsors in and out of relationships with athletes, and endorsements to personalities……and we’re not talking petty change. We’re talking several million dollar in revenue lost, because the public pushed back….
So No, its not a joke.
As for Turner… again, do you want a lotto ticket, or do you want $750,000 right now?
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I will agree with that brother
But Parcells would still do what he wants to do, media influence or not!
I would take the 750,000 outright, I KNOW I DON’T HAVE LUCK
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 7, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thats not a fair comparisson
In that case I would take the 750,000 out right… but… to get that 750,000 you have to give up a lot for it. I also do not see the draft as a lotto, it has much better chances then a Lotto.
Getting Brandon Marshall, we assume will take a 1st round pick, but what if its a 1st and 3rd. All the elite teams in the league have grown in the draft, and getting Marshall you are preventing the team from doing that.
Don’t get me wrong having Marshall on the team will be a tremendous help and I will be supportive of it, but if it prevents the Team to get a starting quality LB and other needs then I am not.
Would you take a chance on a 1 out of 7 lotto or would you take the 750,000 outright and leave your well paying job and $600,000 home….
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The only way I do it is if....
The Fins were solid on Defense and needed nothing but depth and maybe a role player you could get in the 2nd round.
And the only need the Fins needed to be an excellent win week in and week out team is a true #1. Therefore I would take the definite play maker in Marshall then the unknown at drafting a WR
I would then trade the 1st round pick, maybe a 1st and 3rd for Marshall
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You're way off base in your comparison....
The 1 out of 7 chance is nowhere even close to the draft. Hell, in my very favorable analysis its less than 6% or 6 out of 100…. if you want an honest more exact comparison, I’d say that the only 2 WR’s with BM’s talent and consistency drafted in the last 3 years is Desean Jackson and Calvin Johnson.
Thats 2 WR’s out of 104 that were drafted, or less than 2%. You have a 2% chance of getting a stud franchise game changing player at the WR position in the draft. So giving up a 1st and 3rd, which have NO real value, until you know how the person translates into a professional player…. At this point, our 1st and 3rd round picks, could turn into complete busts in the NFL.
Lets take a look at those draft picks.
2006 – 1st round – Jason Allen
3rd round – Derek Hagan
Analysis – I’d gladly have traded away Jason Allen & Derek Hagan for BM.
2007 – 1st round – Ted Ginn Jr
3rd round – Lorenzo Booker
Analysis – I’d gladly have traded way both of these guys for BM
2008 – 1st OVERALL pick – Jake Long
3rd round – Kendall Langford
Analysis – Given Jake Long, it would be hard for me to make the trade in this scenario, however, the compensation to Jake for being a 1st round overall is much higher than we would have paid for BM….
2009 – 1st round – Vontae Davis
3rd round – Patrick Turner
Analysis – We don’t really know if Turner will ever turn into anything, so this is basically a trade for Vontae Davis for Brandon Marshall…. I’d probably make that trade…. even given Vontae’s success this past year. I’d say long term it could be a wash in this scenario.
so 75% of the time the trade would have been worth it…..even giving 2009 as a wash talent wise. and the time its not, is because we had the 1st overall pick in the draft… The 12th overall pick that year was Ryan Clady… so if it was Clady and Langford..I’d have made the deal.
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and keep in mind, I'm well aware our Defense is a HUGE HUGE need
But passing up talent that is as rare as BM, and given the fact that you have possibly a brand new QB to groom…. imagine Henne to Marshall for the next decade to come……
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Your way off base.
I threw the 1 out of 7 number out there because I am at work and did not have time to research it. I was estimating and think that in the first round 1 out of 7 players is an starter for years to come on their teams. It might be 1 of 5 1 of 6. Not just WR. Desean Jackson is a totally different talent base the Brandon Marshal and he was drafted in the second round, so that point is moot. I know how dfficult it is to pick a quality WR in the draft. in 2004 it broke the record for WR drafted… Reggie Williams… Rashaun Woods…. Michael Jenkins… to name a few who did not make it. Mike Williams Charles Rogers, Troy Williamson in other drafts who did not make it.
If I was given Dez Bryant or Brandon Marshall I would take it. But I am not going to take it if I know my defense is in need of at least three starters.
I know you work in media for 10-15 years but you clearly never built a team or coached before. Not saying my college coaching makes me an expert on building an NFL team, but I have an understanding that given the chance getting one player vs. 3 – 4 that can help the team out down the road I would take the 3-4 players.
If you trade for Marshall, but aside the head aches he could cause cause I good team will quite those, how would you fix the defense? Name me one team that has one the Super Bowl and made made it to the Championship game with a suspect defense.
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2004 NFL Draft....and the 2005 Draft.
There were 32 WR’s taken in the draft.
Notables: Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, Lee Evans, Michael Clayton, Devery Henderson, Jerricho Cotchery, Patrick Crayton & * Undrafted Wes Welker & Malcolm Floyd
Draft picks this year….Obviously Fitz is on par or better than BM, you could argue Evans just hasn’t had a QB….but really thats it.
so 1 out of 32….3% this year….just barely above the 2% average.
This doesn’t help your argument.
2005 NFL Draft had 31 WR’s (which btw is less than 2007-2009)
Notables: Braylon Edwards, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Matt Jones, Roddy White, Reggie Brown, V-Jack, Chris Henry
J-Jack & Roddy maybe….Edwards is probably close behind maybe.
so 6% this year.
As for working in the media, I DID that for 10-15 years, I’m current a financial adviser and insurance agent….. so when I look at this, I’m look at it a risk-benefit perspective. I’m not a coach, but I have played sports all of my life, including Football.
Currently our draft picks have Zero Value. Given the percentage of elite players that come out of the draft each year, I’d take the sure elite talent, over the possibility of getting one. I also understand you build inside out…. But you fail to recognize that acquiring Marshall, also gives us the ability to trade away another Quality WR for another draft pick and/or player….. Getting Marshall makes Camarillo/Ginn both tradeable commodities.
As for teams that have made it to the Superbowl (not even the Conference championship)…. maybe you need to brush up on your history…. in the past decade of superbowls, at least 1 team had a defense ranked 19th or worse… so not only willI name one…I’ll name 9 in the last decade…for just the Superbowl.
2009 – Arizona had the 19th best defense and the 4th best offense
2007 – Chicago had the 28th ranked defense in the league
2006 – Seattle had the 19th ranked defense in the league
2005 – Patriots defense was ranked 26th overall
Eagles defense was ranked 23rd overall
2004 – Panthers defense was ranked 20th overall
2003 – Raiders defense was ranked 30th overall
2002 – Patriots defense was ranked 23rd overall
2000 – Rams defense was ranked 23rd overall….
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just to correct myself....
in 2001, both teams defenses were ranked higher than 19th….
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If those numbers are correct
Which I do not have to time to counter, but their defense played better than I see them ranked. My point is Indy, Arizona, and Seattle all turned it on in the playoffs, but again whose to say the Fins can’t do that
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Those stats come from NFL.com
and are the rankings for the regular season Total Defense.
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Thats why they aren't listed as on my list.
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see point below and
just to correct myself….
in 2001, both teams defenses were ranked higher than 19th….
And by higher did you mean a higher number such as 20 -32 or higher as higher elite in the top 10
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I meant both defenses were better than 19th.
I think when I did my search I did it on the regular season….so its possible I searched the year prior…
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Disagree
Sorry to tell you but you looked up the wrong stats. The Super Bowl played in 2009 was the 2008 season. Just like the 2009 season is played in 2010. In some instances you are correct the Cards had a lower half of the league defense but here are some mistakes
2007 SB 2006 season: Bears were 5
2006 SB 2005 season: Seattle 16
2005 SB 2004 season: Pats 9 Eagles 10
2004 SB 2003 season: Panthers 8
2003 SB 2002 season: Raiders 11
2001 SB 2000 season: Ravens 2 Giants 5
2000 SB 1999 season: STL 6
Granted these are just stats, and doesn’t recall injuries or scenerios. The Fins this year were a top defense, but then injuries dropped them to 22nd. So where a team ranks at the end could mean nothing if key players come back for the Superbowl run
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Your so wrapped up in your point your missing mine
I don’t care that you feel there is 1 out of 32 WR drafted that is successful or what ever you are trying to say. I agree I would take the slam dunk in Marshall then draft Dez Bryant or another WR. Thats if I felt the Fins were going to address the WR need with the first round, but any one can see that, you don’t need to be a finacial advisor to know that.
What I am saying is there is much better value then 1 out of 32 in the first round which will help this team in another way. There is more needs for this team then WR. WR probably will not get addressed in the draft this year. I think the Dolphins look to FA or to combine some players and lower round picks to trade for another WR. I think the smarter thing to do with the first round is drafted LB, DT, or Safety which ever is the best player on the board at the time, and continue from there. I expect to see a few LB’s taken in the draft this year
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So in my point
The first round is not a lotto per say. If you scout and evaluate players correctly and don’t take chances you get a solid player. When you go in saying draft best player available you are better off. I do not think this is a good WR class in the first round. Reaching for Bryant or Benn in with the 12 is not a good move. But trading it away for Marshall when you can use it for a greater need on Defense is not smart either.
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Completely agree with k2oconnor with this
No one is debating the likeliness of finding a BM in the draft. He is highly talented, one of the top 5 WRs in the league most likely. Our arguement is what is going to improve your team the most, immediately and for the long term? Trading multiple picks (1st and 3rd ATLEAST most likely) for one player when that player isn’t even your most glaring need…..or drafting to fill those glaring holes and either make an improvement to the WR position through the later rounds (4th and later) or through FA that won’t break your bank. Sure it is fun to watch an elite WR do his stuff…but it is less fun to watch a team score more than enough points to win with its current roster only to give the game away defensively. History has shown its easier to win with a great defense and average offense than it is to win with a good to average offense and a shitty defense.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Amen
WR most likely won’t be drafted this year unless some one falls to them and is a no brainer!
A. Bryant in FA is where I am looking or maybe lower picks for Boldin. Boldin would not come cheap even thoug injuries should lower his value
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Not sold on Bryant
I would rather have Breaston from AZ, and I don’t think he would cost much. Plus doesn’t Bryant and BP have a history that isn’t good?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Claims say they have made up
They have talked in the past and BP offered AB some positive advise and kind words, this was the report I saw. He does have a nagging Knee, but I don’t think Breston is a true #1 either.
Bryant is most likely the best WR in FA gien the fact the RFA are to expensive
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I agree that Breaston isn't a number 1
But I think he adds quality and a significant upgrade for what we would most likely have to pay for him. Some would argue he is successful because of Fitz or Boldin, and that might be true. But he would command enough attention that it would open things up for the other WRs (even Ginn deep) or Breaston is good enough to make the plays himself should they they still decide to cover Ginn & Co.
Bryant’s knee really worries me….especially if we have to give up any picks for him.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
True
But I just think Breaston will be a classic example of Peerless Price, or other #2 who have done good behind all stars and can’t do it on their own.
But its basically moot, because the Cards aren’t going to part ways with him
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True
And true….wish we knew what Parcells was thinking on the subject
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I really like your logic here
And I couldn’t agree more. However, I’m very concerned with how our defense would fare if we did trade away those two picks. If Rolando McClain fell to 12+ in the draft, I may regret making that trade. I think the risk is worth the reward though.
Everyone’s talking about the 2010 season, though. Does anyone know what 2011 will look like as far as free agents and the draft go? It’s hard to make a judgment since I’m not sure what talent will be coming out in the draft (LBers or WR) next year. My thinking is, if there is a good crop of, say, WR next year, we might just focus on getting defense this year. Then next year, we can try to get a huge FA WR or get an impact rookie.
May not be Football in 2011
It basically all comes down to the owners disagreeing on profit sharing, but some “experts” Adam Shefter or what not. Believes no football in 2011 is a strong possibility.
He also reported that he does not think Mangini will stay in CLE
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ALot of people didn't think he would end up staying
Due to the fact his approach is so different from Holmgrem’s approach and system. I was one of those that felt he would be gone, not due to not making improvements, but for the reason I stated.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I just think he is an idiot
but thats my personal gripe with him, Mayock, Mcshay and other "experts
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Hey if they weren't there...
What would we be spending our offseason doing? We wouldn’t have anyone to complain about or make fun of! Kind of how I used to feel about Mel Kipper
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
The two drafts that you were hesitant about were under parcells
So I am sure that this year he will pick up another set of quality players in round 1 and 3
I would explode in my pants if we got BM
IMO he is right up there as the best in the league along with andre he is the definition of an elite wr. Sure it’s easy to say our team has other needs and they do but if he hits the open market he is most likely going to sign a long term deal meaning this offseason may be our only chance of picking him up. A wideout of his caliber would do wonders for henne as he progresses. Sure he has some off the field issues but a change of scenery and our coaching staff may be enough to counter that. He won’t come cheap but the risk is certainly worth the reward
by fins72marino420 on Jan 7, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
SO where does that leave us
We make the move on offense and get Marshall….our defense doesn’t improve and all the players get another year older (serious issue with many positions). Our scoring average goes up 3 points a game while our defense gives up one or two more points a game and gets less sacks. What will our record be? Not good enough to be in the playoffs.
Now I argue that our offense will be better even without an addition simply by time for Henne to work with all our current WRs. You saw what he was able to do with an average at best receiving corps. Not bad for essentially a rookie QB. Now you use your draft, get quality people in the positions (yes positions because we have more than one on defense) and you take our defense that was ranked near the bottom and improve them to say 13th. Our offense is better and our defense is significantly better. Which team will win more games? I would wager a healthy bet that the team with the better defense has a far better chance of going 10-6 or 11-5 than the team with Marshall.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Wow sign me up for your Band Wagon
Yes with Marshall on the team more offensive yards will be accumulated and more TD. But, it won’t be to degree that the Fins can get bay with a suspect defense. With Marshall on the team next year and Henne another year wiser, we may see the Fins come away with 1-2 more victories where, something like the Colts game where the drop pass to Ginn could have been Marshall. But in other losses the Defense dug the offense in huge wholes. Remember when Ronnie and Ricky were in together, the ball control and T.O.P was ridiculous, but the Defense really took a beating.
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That's my point exactly
I see 3-4 more wins with an improved defense and our current offense, while only 1-2 more wins with BM on offense and the same defense.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I would argue.....
That adding BM adds 7-10 pts per game to our offense. Also, I’d ask which position is more likely to be found later in the draft? ILB or top tier WR? We need to upgrade both, clearly, and without argument the Defense needs upgraded, of that I agree.
However, when you have top tier, and we’re talking top 5 guys in the league, with potential to be there for a very long time…. you have to take him. He makes our QB better, he makes the Bess/Hartline better, and he makes Fasano better…hell, he’d make our Running attack even better.
Give up the 1st and 3rd…..use our 2nd, and trade away Ginn or Camarillo and pick up another 3rd rounder….and in essence all you’ve lost is your first round pick. Hell you could even package our 2nd with Ginn and move up to a 1st if someone was available that you wanted.
Make the trade, you end up with:
a 2nd rounder (pick up a ILB or NT)
a 3rd rounder (that you get for Ginn)
and all of our other picks…
You still have plenty of picks to shore up the Defense. While we won’t get a top defense player, we’ll get a solid defensive player. If we have this faith in Parcell’s drafting ability, you have to expect he can find a great defensive player in the 2nd round, and even the 3rd round.
If we trade away Ginn and get a 3rd rounder, the only real pick we lose this year would be our 1st rounder. A first round pick for BM would be huge.
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Are you kidding me? That would have made us what? 2nd in the league!!
We averaged 22.5 which was 15th….if you add 7 we were at 29.5 which is second to only the Saints. If you add 10 points, we are at 32.5 which is tops.
You have had some good arguements but that is just flat out rediculous brother. I understand your desire to have him, but please don’t allow it to cloud common sense and clear thought. We were only 3.5 points a game lower than the Colts with our current offense!!
Defensively we were ranked 30th!! in allowing points with 27.3. Only the Rams and Lions were worse!! Think about that…the RAMS and LIONS!! 15th offensively……30th defensively scoring. Yards per game we ranked 23rd defensively and 17th offensively.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe 10 points is a stretch....
But I’d say between 3-7 points per game is easily doable, as his presence opens up the entire offense which should in theory make everyone better, from RB to TE to our QB.
Defensively……yeah it sucked, but we also had 3 rookies playing the majority of the year. They should get better with another year under the belts.
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But they weren't really the issue
Next year we will probably get to the QB less (Porter and Taylor another year older and our leading sackers) The NT another year older, the safeties older. The only positions that will probably do better will be our young CBs and possibly Randy Starks. Changes….and many of them need to be made on the Defensive side of the ball
I really don’t see BM giving us more than 3 points a game. I can’t see us scoring more points than the Colts. and if we did get 3 points of improvement, we would still be in the negative with us averaging 27.4 defensively. THINK ABOUT THAT….ALMOST 30 points a game!! I know we were bad when we went 1-15 but I don’t think we gave up much more than 27.4 that year!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
If you could guarantee me
that we would walk out of this draft with a Ray Lewis, a Shawn Merriman, a Dwight Freeny, a Palomalu type player…..
I’d be 100% in agreement with you.
I’d also be in agreement with you, if BM wasn’t available, and instead it was a Boldin or another quality WR but not an elite guy.
But we don’t know what our draft picks will pan out to be. There are no guarantees in the draft. Hell, we could end up drafting a head-case…..
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You can't gurantee anything
So thats why you say give me the sure bet in Marshall. But I mean what happens if he “slips on a McDonalds bag” and puts his arm threw a t.v. Or trips down a flight of stairs over his dog like Brian Greise or fails a drug test and is suspended.
There are not Gurantees
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Or gets busted again off the field once or twice or three times more?
So far he has been arrested every offseason. I would like to see if he can get it together and avoid it this year. Im betting he does not make it.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 8, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
And who is to say that BM doesn't go all Yatil Green or Wes Welker
And blow his knee out in pre-season….where would that leave us. I just don’t like taking those chances when you give up that much.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Defense kills me
Why is it that our defense would only show up in the second half. seems like the opposing offense would run up the score in the first half then we would stop them the second. Any explanation? Marshall could easily add another touch down per game for us on average. But as we saw before allt he opposing QB has to do is pass it it hos TE and they are in the red zone in about 3 minutes.
Denver had a very similar offense to the Dolphins this year
I am not looking at numbers, but they had supporting WR, not the best running game, but a more experienced QB with less talent granted, and where were they in PPG. Brandon Marshal is maybe going to contribute to 20-30 points all season
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I think he would contribute a bit more than that
I could see him scoring 8 TDs, and opening up a few more for the other WRs, at the cost of some of the TDs for the R&R express. But I still can’t see him in a Fins uniform, Parcells just doesn’t make desperate moves like that.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
By this same argument
Shouldn’t our defense get better with another year working together?
We did have 3 rookies basically starting…..who says that they just don’t improve to middle of the pack on their own? Yes, I agree we need to replace some pieces, but using your own argument, they should get better with another year under their belts and a whole offseason looking at film etc.
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No, not with the ages of many of our players.
Offensively we are young at the key positions (RB no included) and most positions on the offense Defensively we are old at the DL and LB, young and promising at CB, but aging and in dire need of improvements at the S positions. IF we had a young defense across the board I would value this arguement…but our defense is one of the oldest defenses outside of the CB position in the league and will probably not improve much (other than those 2 players)
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
The rooks in the secondary werent as much the problem
It was the experienced guys in the LB corps and safety play that killed us.
I agree with the previous two posters.
Great work, valid points….but I don’t want to pay what it would cost for him when adding him would fix less than using the draft picks and money to get FA fixes for our horrible defense. We just have too many holes and have too much age in certain positions on defense. I have stated in many other arguements….“What would our record be if we had a defense ranked between 10-15th in the league?” That’s not even putting it at a top 10 defense which is what I would like to see up pursue. I would wager that we would be at least sitting at 10-6 vs 7-9. That’s without having to deal with the headache that is BM, or the huge salary that he would command. I say VETO the motion. There are only 2 WRs I would pay what it would take to get BM and they are Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. But that’s just me.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 7, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions
Would you trade a 2nd and Ginn?
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A 2nd and Ginn
Yeah I would probably do that…..but not a 1st
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 7, 2010 1:34 PM EST reply actions
Fr8Train...
I agree with you that Marshall is sick, talent through the rough, young, and I also think he’s maturing just like Randy did…what happened last offseason is he didnt think he would have good numbers with the team losing Jay Cutler and drafting Moreno and new coach and Offensive Coordinator but he still did sick with all that going against him, but that is why he was pushing for an extension so badly and because of the CBA, he would be restricted.
Bottom line is this, the best WR in the draft this year Dez Bryant could only be as good as him…I don’t think he can be better bc Marshall is that good, and the difference is Marshall is garunteed. If it costs next year’s 1st round I’d definitely do it. If it costs next years 2nd and Ginn i’d def do it. and the money we would pay him, lets say 8-9 mil a year is about the same we are paying Gerbil Wilson. Fasano, Ronnie Brown, HIlliard, Ricky, Bess, Camarillo, Hartline, and most importantly Henne would benefit from this guy. We wouldnt need a TE anymore and the wr’s we be set and Ronnie and Hilliard could be our backs after 2010 (yes, i personally think Ronnie is fine for the next 3-5 years)…The tough part about this is you KNOW the Ravens will push for him…
And, Parcells like everyone knows loves drafts picks, not to mention Defense was our achilles heel this year not our offense. So as much as I would literally go crazy if this happened, I just don’t know if Bill and Ireland would do it, even though his price tag went down after his antics week 17 and the fact that its basically known they are shopping him. I would trade Turner, Ginn, and a 2nd or even a next year 1st for him, but we’ll just wait and see. I think he’s an exact case of Randy Moss a few years ago but younger and maybe even a little better with his numbers at that point in Randy’s career.
we don't need a tight end now
there’s nothing wrong with our tight end situation .fasano is just fine he can block and he can catch, what he needs is to start seeing the ball alot more than 1 or 2 times a game using your tight end open the field up for the wide receivers. d backs can’t play just the outside anymore like they’ve been doing against us . tight end territory is between the hash marks. nuff said !
Do you really think this is going to happen?
Parcells will never ever trade away picks for a diva WR. We are still building remember. If it was up to me I say pull the trigger, but yeah im not in charge of football operations, sorry!
Lets get Cribbs and Boldin =)
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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Jan 7, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions
I want Cribbs, period
Even if we don’t get another WR through FA.
Get me Cribbs through trade and a Bryant/Benn through trade.
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by Dave.Phuller on Jan 7, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think a 1st and a 3rd would definitely be worth it
Even if the 1st was for 2010 and not 2011, I think it would be worth it. From the looks of it, Rolando McClain is most likely going to be gone by the time we pick at number 12. Unless something ridiculous happens like Eric Berry falls to us, I can’t see any players who would really be worth drafting at number 12 (other than McClain, but he’ll probably be gone.) The exception might be Dez Bryant – but I’d rather throw in a 3rd round pick for the added security of knowing that BM is a great receiver than take the risk of throwing away a 1st round pick as a bust.
Are you kidding me....this draft is full of talent
Especially on the defensive side of the ball
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
If its full of Talent, then losing our 1st round pick shouldn't be an issue
Doesn’t this support the trading for BM theory?
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We wouldn't be giving up just the number 1
I said I would consider it….assuming McClain is already gone, if BM only cost us our 1st. But I am willing to bet it will cost us a 1st and 3rd and that’s a lot of potential talent to lose. I am on board for just a 1st with McClain gone….other wise, I say attack the defensive holes.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I was saying we'd only be giving up our #1 pick
if we were able to trade away Ginn for a 3rd rounder….which would replace the 3rd rounder that we gave up for Marshall…
Would you trade a 1st and Ginn for Marshall? and got a 3rd rounder back? Granted thats unlikely with Denver…. but, if we gave up a 1st and a 3rd for BM ,then traded Ginn to say Cleveland (or any team) for a 3rd …. then we’d only really have lost our 1st rounder.
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Why do you think it is that easy
A 3rd round pick for GC or TG is a lot. Ginn didn’t not relly put on an audition for other teams. Its not all that easy to trade in the NFL.
But I guess we could send post cards to all the teams telling them this is what the fans want.
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k2o, you were doing so well..
but had to be a jackass and bring up postcards and try and sling some mud.
Thats usually a sign that you can’t support your position, but I’ll give you a pass.
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I was not slinging Mud I just thought it was funny
What I know is that you are not going to budge and VanMan and I are not going to budge. It just fun arguement.
I just don’t see the fins going after Marshall
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Maybe we don't.....its a hypothetical want....
btw…we got a 2nd and a 7th for Welker… and a the time….they weren’t that far apart.
Welker – in 2 years with Miami
GS Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC TD
2005-06 Miami 16 29 434 27.1 15.0 47 5.9 0
2006-07 Miami 16 67 687 42.9 10.3 38 4.3 1
Ginn Jr -
GS Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC TD
2008 Miami 16 56 790 49.4 14.1 64 3.6 2
2009 Miami 16 38 454 28.4 11.9 53 1.3 1
Not too dissimilar, even giving the return yardage that isn’t shown.
Its not a stretch to think we might get a 3rd.
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Not touching this discussion
Still have bad memories of watching ESPN and seeing him traded to the Pats (Sniffle)
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I understand
Doesn’t mean that it hurts any less when he was your favorite player on the team!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know the history....
I’m just saying…. we ended up with a 2nd and a 7th….
for a player that clearly wasn’t the player he is now…
so a 3rd rounder for Ginn is not absurd.
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Wes was a RFA
Which as you probably know, means the Fins put an offer on him. They shot themselves in the foot putting the 2nd round qualifying offer for 1.39 mil instead of 500k more for the 1st compensation.
Pats counter and agreed to a fair deal with Welker. However the deal included a poison pill. Welker was to received a huge bonus in at the end of the year if Welker played more than 3 games in Miami. The pats knew they would play no more than 2 if they played the Fins in the play offs. So the hands were tied. Not wanting anything less then the 2nd they offered a trad for 2nd and 7th, to the Pats. The Pats not wanting any “bad blood” agreed and thats how they got a 2nd and 7th
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Yup, I know how it all went down....
and unfortunately I’m not sure Welker would have ever developed into the player he is now under that regime in Miami….but still.
There is always a coach willing to trade for speed.
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See above list of teams
or wherever i just posted it in this thread…
Cleveland, Tampa, Washington, Baltimore etc….
Newer coaches, and a need.
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I don't really think that the Trifecta is going to make a play for him.
Denver is going to want way too much for him, and he is not worth overpaying for him. I would definitely not give up our 1st rounder for him, I think that he is too selfish and that he only puts out real effort when he wants to. The rest of the time he seems to just kind of half ass it, and I think we can get a better receiver elsewhere.
Oh, and by the way, when I first read the title of this post, I read it as Operation BM meaning Bowel Movement.
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we are going to get someone for this position, but...
i dont think any of us will see it coming..There will be handshakes under the table,trades,even player swaps,and miami will come out with either someone we heard about,or someone we want dearly, I just dont think anyone on this site will call it,even up til the time it happens….i dont think there will be any “i told you-so’s”…..
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I would probably agree with zero on this
You know he will get someone…and it will probably shock us and most likely in a good way.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Vanman, we agree on this lol
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We agree on a lot brother....just not what the fins should give up for Marshall this year
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
They should not give up a single thing.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 8, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
and I'll continue to reply the same way I have to all of them lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
IF the asking price for BM and VJ were the same
I would rather have VJ not only because of the stats but because the guy has the workman type mentality that NEVER takes a play off,unlike ALL the divas,so you get the good w/o the bad and that is quite rare.
by firedanhenningnow on Jan 7, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
tough to say
he hasn’t the Pro Bowl level success that tends to bring out the “diva” in a WR. TO wasn’t a loud mouth team-killer in his early years in SF.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree....
and he really has nothing to do with Brandon Marshall.
VJack won’t be available in FA, because he’ll be re-signed or franchised. So why even bring him up?
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Everyone is available
Its just a case of is a team able to give up enough and willing to give up enough to get him. I don’t think either BM or VJ are players that BP will be willing to pay the price for with our needs in other positions. Now if we were tight on defense and had good depth and WR was our only need…then I think he would make a serious run at a big name WR to win the Super Bowl. But that clearly isn’t the situation that we are in Fr8Train.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
So what happens if we get to our 12th pick and Spiller is available?
Given our RB situation
Ronnie: Can’t be trusted to play a full season
Rickey: Retiring after next season
Lex: Built more like a FB, and hasn’t had enough carries to prove he’s over the fumblitis.
Cobbs: Coming back from injury….
So, what happens in this situation? We didn’t use the #1 pick on a Defensive player, and Spiller seems to be a name that pops up for us on a few mock drafts that I’ve seen.
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RB's fine this year.
We just buy Ingram out of his junior year in 11.
We need (big) D this year.
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Don't know
As I have stated in other posts, I am busy and pretty much forced to chose between following college and pros and my choice is the Fins and the pros. I hear good things about Spiller but haven’t seen a single game of his. I am from the school of trying to get the player you want at the position you need unless there is a serious case of “Best Player available” being a steal. So someone else that has seen Spiller play, might be better to judge that. and depending on who is off of the board at 12 would be a big indication of what route we should go.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
If Spiller is available
It brings up a high class dilema. Drafting him would not cost the Fins more then the First, and is a good pick cause Ronnie can ease out of the starting role to where Ricky is now and Spiller is just a baller with speed, similar to Chris Johnson.
What I do know is the Fins will not stretch on a player in the 1st round. If a DT is the best or LB or Safety is available, they will take that player. If a Spiller is available then they will take that player. Those are really the only players I see them taking. OL, CB, and QB is not going to be drafted early
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I could buy that
I know Parcells doesn’t reach. I just don’t know anything about Spiller other than he is supposed to be a burner. I just hope that people don’t think that CJ is the normal from here on out with fast RBs. They are burners every year but not many are successful in the NFL.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying he won’t be successful. I am just hesitant to take any position based solely on speed (where are you hiding at Heyward-Bey? Oh you are over there next to Teddy Bear)
I will leave the judging of Spiller to people who have seen him run in games.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
See Darren McFadden :)
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Yep...another one!
Felix Jones could be another example….but I think a little more time should be given to him considering the injuries and the time share in Dallas.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I think Jones is a stud.
Although he’s starting to have the Ronnie Brown disease…..
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Heyward-Bey would be a semi good player
If picked to a team later in the draft with a QB and not Al Davis as his owner. But I thought Bey was and will be a bust. Felix not too much yet, and McFadden struggles breaking tackles ala Reggie Bush.
I think Spiller will be better than the above, but agree that it is a risk. However time to learn behind Ricky and Ronnie gives him so much more.
But it is a luxury pick the Dolphins do not need.
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not as much a luxury as we want...
If its not addressed this year, it will be an urgent need next year, unless Hilliard truly develops into a starting RB type player.
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I think that we will draft a RB this year as well
I could see Parcells taking one somewhere around round 4 or 5. He knows it will be an issue and will probably take a chance with a later pick this year (one of the compensation picks)
But there is the possibility that he drafts Spiller if he is the best player available I guess.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hence why I said I would give him another year or two
But the bug is definitely biting Jones.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure
I think if Spiller is available at 12 the phones will be ringing and we will swap picks with someone and get another pick out the deal. Isnt Kory Sheets supposed to be super fast? And Chris Johnson, wasnt he drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round?
i don't know if i would say that......but i'm not drinking the kool-aid either.........
Just one mans opinion...
Disagree to the 10th degree
VJ is not overrated. The guy doesn’t take plays off…he isn’t a cancer, he is an outstanding blocker. Will go up over the middle and make the tough catches, is a true deep threat (though not as good as Moss due to not having the burner speed) and is a killer red zone target.
We have enough underneath WRs, What was BMs YPC? like 12 or something? What was VJ? One of the best in the league!! We need that deep threat and the guy to go up and get the ball over the middle. However, I still wouldn’t pay a 1st and 3rd for VJ this year with our needs on the defensive side of the ball.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
D. Bess in 2008
He wasn’t drafted, he was a FA.
My mistake, either way he doesn't factor into the elite percentage
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1st and 3rd plus a new contract????
special talen i agree but too much, you wanna talk about risk/reward when it comes to drafting…well we’re taking a big risk in takin on this guy. IMO the biggest problem the dolphins had all year was at ILB. Take a look at all the games we lost…how many miss tackles..blown coverages…TE run past or LB’s did we see. WR is a need for sure…but ILB is our biggest. Hopefully the beast that is Mcclain falls to us at 12. He is the patrick willis we shouldve had!!
Amen
Though FS is also a serious need as well
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Soon as we get that #1 Ted Ginn or any of the WR's will breakout.
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I wish everyone would consider one fact, if we pass on him "someone" will pick him up...
If I remember correctly, Randy Moss, comes to mind as someone that went to a team and made a difference after being a “headache”. All I see is if we pass based on our perceptions, he will got to another team and it seems like we will be on the wrong end of that deal when we have to play against him twice a year every year rather than have him on our team making plays. Imagine where our team would be if we still had Wes Welker, Talent is Talent and if you can get it, then GET IT.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Jan 8, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions
He's not worth a first and a third.
End of story.
I’d have no problem with it if there was a CBA in place that allowed for him to be a UFA. But I’m not mortgaging a future, with a team that has way too many more pressing needs, for a player that is going to drive the FO nuts. Parcells has a walk-out clause on his contract. If Ross starts pushing for him, it’ll cost two draft picks, a contract, and the remaining amount of Tuna’s contract.
He's easily worth a first and a third.....
Andre Johnson – Worth It
Randy Moss – Worth It
Vincent Jackson – Worth it
Desean Jackson – Worth it.
and yes
Brandon Marshall – Worth it.
For all the “headaches” that everyone wants to bring up….the only issue he had this past season was one involving his contract. And pretty much every Elite player has some sort of meltdown (usually pushed by their agent) when contract negotiations are not going the way they like.
Yes, he’s had some off the field issues, none of which resulted in him being suspended. So I’m not worried about them.
I’ve never heard a single player from Denver call him a distraction. Not a one.
He’s an elite talent. You don’t let Elite Talent just walk away.
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And what about the defense....
Where do you find the 2-3 starters needed on defense.
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by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
You draft a NT/ILB with your 2nd rounder
Trade Ginn and get a 3rd rounder…..and take another Defensive player.
Sign someone else in FA….
There you have it…..as Vanman stated above, this draft is very deep at defensive talent.
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And the other teams know that as well
And we need both NT and LBs (Both in and out) as well as upgrades at the safety position.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
There are no FA NT
Thats the problem 3-4 NT are very rare. When a team finds a 3-4 NT they hold onto it, and don’t allow it to hit FA. There may be 1 NT available every other year, and the colleges team very rarely play 3-4 defenses, which results in a shortage on NT in the draft. In this draft there is not one true 3-4 NT I can think of. I am sure I can find one while looking but, it would not be a high draft pick. Terrance Cody is the closest but Bama normally plays a 4-3 and would take Cody a little longer to adjust.
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Yep and many argue that the NT and OLB are the keys to making the 3-4 work
And our OLBs are old, along with our NT. ANd of course we know we are weak at ILB and FS. Man that’s a lot of needs on the Defensive side. WOW….I am even more sure of my positioin on this issue than when I started!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we should sign Shawn merriman
Hes stout and hungry. An UFA I believe and tough. Sure he has gotten hurt, but he always tries to play even when doctors tell him not to. I like that in a player. Also he will fill a need as far as LB goes. If we signed him and maybe give up a 2011 1st rounder than yes. Then maybe we can get BM.
Not this year with our needs on the defensive side of the ball
IMO the only time you pay that much for a player is when you have all the other peices ane he would finish the puzzle. That obviously isn’t the case with the FINS. There are teams that he would probably fall into that catagory with (the Ravens are one I could think of) but not us. And I don’t buy the arguement of we should do it or someone else will. That’s GREAT LOGIC!!! We will win lots of championships with that thinking!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
But you don't hurt the rest of the team just to get that "Elite Talent"
Do you think BB would make that trade in NE? Hell no, he doesn’t give up multiple high picks for anyone. He stockpiles and finds players to plug into holes and then makes smart trades that he doesn’t overpay for. I believe that Parcells has that same mentality. I am not telling you that Marshall isn’t great because he is. AND I respect that you want him….I just disagree with what I would be willing to give up for him with our current roster.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
the issue is
you hold a higher value on the WR then most positions case and point…ur argument for Vincent Jackson and desan jackson for a 1st and 3rd. That would be Matt Millen like….at this stage of his career Randy Moss isnt worth that. Maybe u didnt watch every game but DEF was the major issue on the year. You forgot the colts put 28pts on us in 14min??
And how many did the Saints score in the 2nd half
Granted there was a pick 6. The Texans were moving up and down on us like we weren’t even on the field during the 1st half. The Titans put up 24 in the first half if I am not mistaken.
I would argue that a player like Ray Lewis is just as valuable as BM.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Is he really a diva?
True Brandon has had some issues but I really don’t consider him a diva.He doesn’t have these huge acted out TD celebrations or on Twitter al huge acted out TD celebrations or on Twitter al day….Marshall doesn’t really call out his QBs at all.I think the real divas are Owens,Ocho, even a all.I think the real divas are Owens,Ocho, even a little of Roy Williams.I consider Steve Smith to be a Guy that just loves to compete and win…He wants everyone on the field to play as hard as he does…so I don’t think Steve is a diva either.After Marshall broke that reception record he didn’t even think about a celebration…he was only worried about losing the game.I think people jump to label a WR a diva because of what they have seen from a couple real bad WRs.Players Like Andre Johnson just don’t come around that often…he’s truly special but also not available.Marshall would be exactly what we need in Miami…this Guy breaks tackles,gets YAC,has great hands, and is just a tough beast ha We would be crazy to pass him up over some issues that hes grown from and moved on as a man. n Miami…this Guy breaks tackles,gets YAC,has in Miami…this Guy breaks tackles,gets YAC,has great hands, and is just a tough beast ha We would be crazy to pass him up over some issues that hes grown from and moved on as a man.
We could still fix a lot of holes on defense…Demeco Ryans will be available in FA so we have more options then just the draft.
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Sorry had to post again...No Diva
True Brandon has had some issues but I really don’t consider him a diva.He doesn’t have these huge acted out TD celebrations or on Twitter all day….Marshall doesn’t really call out his QBs at all.I think the real divas are Owens,Ocho, even Roy Williams.I consider Steve Smith to be a Guy that just loves to compete and win…He wants everyone on the field to play as hard as he does…so I don’t think Steve is a diva either.After Marshall broke that reception record he didn’t even think about a celebration…he was only worried about losing the game.I think people jump to label a WR a diva because of what they have seen from a couple real bad WRs.Players Like Andre Johnson just don’t come around that often…he’s truly special but also not available.Marshall would be exactly what we need in Miami…this Guy breaks tackles,gets YAC,has great hands, and is just a tough beast ha We would be crazy to pass him up over some issues that hes grown from and moved on as a man.
We could still fix a lot of things on defense if we give up a pick or two…Demeco Ryans is a FA and would be a stud.
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The contract alone doesn't worry me
It’s the 2 picks he would most likely command that I am not willing to give.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
We can get BM and still focus on DEFENSE...
“IF” we made a push for BM doesn’t necessarily mean we are not able to focus our offseason on defense. We could trade say Ginn and a future 1st (just an example) and still take this entire draft and mainly focus on get our linebackers/safeties/ and NT. If we were to say give our next year’s 1st and Ginn, we have our WR’s locked for good and our entire 2010 draft and free agency is all focused on getting say Mcclain at 12 (denver would probably draft Dez Bryant at 11 with no Marshall) and all of the sudden we fill two holes with two draft picks. If someone said that in next year’s draft you are getting Brandon Marshall with the no. 1 pick and Ginn is being released not one miami dolphin fan would say no to that. I agree, that if it starts including a couple of picks it becomes tough because I have faith in this Front Office being able to find good talent in the Draft, but if it took only a first and a player like Ginn or maybe Ginn and Porter (who might be released anyway, and denver likes to add Old talent on their team i.e Holliday and Dawkins) I honestly can’t say I wouldn’t do it.
I have made the argument before that Gerbil Wilson is costing us 8 mil a year right now, if he’s released and we draft say Earl Thomas second rd (just saying, i dunno if he’ll be there) we just saved 7 million or so in that change of events. Honestly you can’t question this team would be better with Marshall and there are ways to get him and still not hurt your Defense. The only question is what would it take to get him, and that’s yet to be determined but his price tag has decreased since week 16 and since the Broncos basically made it clear he’s on the trading block.
Dude what crack are you smoking?
What dumb ass team in the NFL would give up a 1st round pick for Ginn…this year or in the future? You lost me on that statement alone….sorry.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
yeah.....I gotta agree with that one.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Santonio Holmes will be available most likely
cuz the Steelers are up to their old tricks again, once a guy is worth too much money they let him go, and SH won’t cost as much as BM or others, but still most of these guys are RFAs if there’s no CBA so we don’t know what we normally would, but the Steelers NEVER let a guy get to his last year if they want him, they just don’t do it, but this uncapped year changes everything if it happens.
Did I mention he’s from Fla.
I would take Holmes
I don’t know what he would cost, but nothing nearly as bad as BM, which wouldn’t kill us in terms of the draft this year. That’s a move I could see BP making.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Holmes is Good but
The Dolphins need a big WR, I would not take anything less. Holmes put up great numbers just like Desean Jackson… they are of the mold of Steve Smith, and granted they are much better then Ted Ginn, but the Fins have the fast WR and quick ones. A Big WR that can create seperation is what every team wants.
I just feel if you are going to invest so much into a player then go big or go home.
Holmes does well with Hines Ward on the other side, preventing a double team on both of them. A BM or VJ are big and good enough to play against Double teams and beat them. Bringing Holmes in will just make team double him, and let the other WR makes plays, and I believe Holmes would not be effective.
The Patriots Suck
I would prefer a big WR as well
I Don’t know what it would cost to get a player like Holmes, and I wouldn’t pay a lot for him this year either. The statement was that he would be an upgrade. I think he would bring great experience to the Fins WR corps, especially coming from an organization that is strong and knows about winning. Is he who I would pick 1st, hell no…..but if I could get him for say a 2nd next year, I would consider it.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Really? You'd take Holmes?
he wouldn’t cost as much as BM, but he’s just as Diva like…. Not sure what kind of news coverage you guys get, but since I’m here in OSU-Town, we get all the news that is news about good old former OSU players….and the police like Mr. Holmes…its never major, but he’s always around them.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Yeah don't follow Holmes other than his performance on the field.
He has played his ass off in big games and most games that I have seen of the Steelers. Seems like he always makes key catches in big situations and he is always making long gains. I wouldn’t give up much this year for him…and depending on how the draft goes, I could see possibly giving up a 2nd or 3rd next year for him (though I don’t think the steelers would do that). His character issues as you say would be an issue for me if what you say is true.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Take Holmes
and still keep our picks???For sure. Sergio Kindle would look good for us too….i think Mcclain drops because of that lack of “elite” talent at the OT position. Almost every team in the top 10 needs a OT
Glad to see that I am not the only one that thinks the OT will occupy a good portion of the
Top of the draft….along with DL. McClain just might fall. I would really need to take a look at who’s drafting ahead of us and what their ILB situation is like. I think that would give a much clearer picture of what our chances are!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Denver, Denver and Denver
The only team in my eyes that may go after him is Denver, becasue they pick like right beofre us. They could use a talent like him. The X factor would be that Brandon marshall goes somewhere else and they need a replacement. If thats the case they will get a WR like Dez bryant, that will allow us to get McClain.
Tampa,wash,KC,SEA,CLEV,OAK,Bills,JAX,DEN...
all in that order about 4 of those teams will go OT….we will get an impact player at 12. If u think were one season away from being “elite” then lets go after BM…but were not. the 12th pick in the draft is about the best position u wanna be. Fr8train….who are our OLBs after next year ILBs…after this year….NT…..FS…..cmon dude u really think BM is our savior.
Definitely not.... I don't think he's our savior.
But I think if you can get an elite player, a game changer, and someone that will improve the team for a decade…you get him….
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I agree only if
That’s your last piece of the puzzle or next to the last piece. I think that Parcells is good enough at evaluating talent (Hartline is looking better than I EVER thought he would) and I have to trust he will find someone with serious skills to be that go to receiver. I don’t think he will do it this year unless it’s a steal.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I was a big Hartline guy....
of course I got to see him play live at the home games here at OSU.
He’s not the fastest, but he gets separation out of his cuts and has great hands….
Good #2 guy.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
All the Fins have a # 2 guys
So yes a WR #1 is what the Fins need, but not at the price it is going to take. Look at the Patriots the Super Bowls, the Ravens and the Bucs wins in the big one. They did not have awesome WR but a solid D. Yes the Bucs had Keyshawn but in his decline.
The Patriots Suck
scratch the Patriots, because Tom Brady is just amazing.
2009 -
Steelers – Great QB & Hines Ward
Cardinals – Great QB & 2 Great WR’s
2008 –
Giants – Great QB & Plaxico Burress
Patriots – Great QB & Randy Moss
2007 – Colts – Great QB & Reggie Wayne/Marvin Harrison
Bears – …..all defense
2006 – Steelers – again Great QB & Hines Ward
Seattle – well….I still dont’ know how they got there.
2005 – Patriots – Great QB
Eagles – McNabb & TO
2004 – Patriots – Great QB
Carolina – Steve Smith….
The more you look at this list….. the more examples there are. And as we discussed earlier, the defenses were most of the time middle of the road.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Void this arguement because if we spent the Picks to get BM
It would take at least, repeat LEAST, 2 more drafts to fix the defense to where it is competitive enough to make a run at the playoffs, yet alone SuperBowl. I mean really, most fans here know that even with a good draft this year, we are probably 2 years away from a serious run. IF we trade for BM at the suspected going rate, that will set us back at least one more year! IMHO anyways ,and I will bet that the Tuna would probably think the same thing.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree no matter how we draft
we are still at least 2 years from a serious superbowl run.
So that being said…. I still fail to understand how we ruin our draft by acquiring BM.
That is if you agree that we can get a 3rd for Ginn…. and I’d list Cleveland (who has 11 picks), St. Louis, Seattle, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Washington, Tampa, as teams that might be suitable…. Coaches always think they can teach someone to catch….and his speed would be very enticing, especially to a new coach (Seattle, Washington, Baltimore etc).
If you agree we could get a 3rd round pick for Ginn, then the ONLY pick we lose in this draft is our 1st rounder. And I doubt that 1st pick would be the pivotal player maker….it could be. But we could always find a pivotal defensive playmaker next year too….but its doubtful we’d find someone of BM’s talent at WR to fill that need next season.
Assuming we get a 3rd rounder for Ginn….we still would have all the same picks we currently have….minus the 1st rounder. Which is plenty to address some of the defense (not all) issues.
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Those are a bunch of big IFs
Because IF you can’t trade Ginn for a 3rd (which is entirely possible), you only have a 2nd, 4th, and then the later rounds to address what I see as 6 holes on defense. Not going to happen brother. I don’t see where Parcells sees the pieces necessary for his 3-4 available via FA either. So if they made the trade, you are trying to use 5 draft picks to fix 6 holes on D, and add depth on offense. The math doesn’t add up. You are stuck with another subpar defense that will require 1-2 more years to fix.
If you address it this year, with the draft picks available (and the possibility of adding more by trading down) you can add all the pieces this year, while playing with FA for any additional depth. And then next year make the big move for a #1 WR trade when we don’t have a higher seeded pick and have a stronger base.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I want and we desperately need help on D but what if
the players available with our picks simply won’t fix our problems because they’re not that good..do you still draft them?As bad as we needed CB help last year I don’t think BP would’ve chosen just any 2 players at a position of need..he chose the best 2 in the draft.
by firedanhenningnow on Jan 8, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
And I am sure that BP has two or three people he sees that can fill each opening on Defense. Just realize that Parcells knows how bad we were on defense and so does Sparano and they know that is the area that we need to address.
That doesn’t mean that, should someone that is an absolute steal fall to the second round, BP won’t take them…like a Dez Bryant or Spiller.
But with our defense, and potential losses next year, you know he is just going to go bananas with defensive players considering that our offense was ranked 15th this year and won’t lose anyone significant and will only get better.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dez and CJ are luxury picks
We really dont have that luxury yet, maybe next year or the year after. If they fall in our laps, the pick will get traded. We swap for a lower 1st round draft pick and get an additional second or third. Which would be really awesome.
Those are a bunch of big IFs
Because IF you can’t trade Ginn for a 3rd (which is entirely possible), you only have a 2nd, 4th, and then the later rounds to address what I see as 6 holes on defense. Not going to happen brother. I don’t see where Parcells sees the pieces necessary for his 3-4 available via FA either. So if they made the trade, you are trying to use 5 draft picks to fix 6 holes on D, and add depth on offense. The math doesn’t add up. You are stuck with another subpar defense that will require 1-2 more years to fix.
If you address it this year, with the draft picks available (and the possibility of adding more by trading down) you can add all the pieces this year, while playing with FA for any additional depth. And then next year make the big move for a #1 WR trade when we don’t have a higher seeded pick and have a stronger base.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
IF you try and recover a lost pick by trading Ginn
I think you’re being counterproductive as far as fielding a dominate passing game.A #1 WR is needed badly but you need that deep threat opposite him also and I think that Ginns threat paired with a #1,Hartline and Bess would be one helluva WR corp.
by firedanhenningnow on Jan 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
So Cammy is the odd man out....
not sure what we’d get for him though….4th, 5th?
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
I think that if they did pull the trigger and got Marshall
Either Cammy or Turner would be the odd man out. At least if I am playing couch GM. But then again if I was playing couch GM, I wouldn’t make the trade for Marshall if it costs me more than one pick.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
As much as it pains me,Cammy would be the odd man out
,and that sucks on many different levels for me, but given what we have he would be the one to go unless we want to really attack Ds with 4 and 5 WR packages consistently which I wouldn’t have a problem with whatsoever :)
by firedanhenningnow on Jan 8, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think we could get a third for him
Hes tough, consistent, plays well, runs good routes, is a hella of a #2 and to alot of teams wont make a dent in their salary cap for the amount of ability he has.
yeah but
based on our needs…we have two OLB’s that are done after next year…1 for sure this year…akin=cut…torbor=SP etc. etc. u know the team as much as i do. a guy like sergio kindle or earl thomas…mcclain can be ever bit a game changer as BM. and again with out the crazy money his gonna be askin for..
Yeah....I am looking at the next year or two as well and many of the pieces will be gone.
We really have to fill those holes NOW. If you wait until they are gone it’s way to late and you stay in that perpetual rebuilding phase that I think we are close to getting out of with one more strong draft defensively and a key FA signing on the defensive and offensive side of the ball…..or with a trade for one of next years picks.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
building out the structure is key, and the urgency of now i hear clearly. as far as i'm
concerned, strategically FIRST cover the D and its needs. if you can still swing, with trades, cash, future draft picks, whatever, the No. 1 wide receiver, its gravy. but No. 1 is D. deal with it as a continuation of last year.
going for a specific player first, without doing the other hard work requiring patience to get the structure and the system in place, that ‘magic bullet’ guy, puts you more at risk..
by a1a on Jan 8, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
I agree completely a1a. When you have a strong base it’s easier to piece things together. I believe we have a strong base offensively (believe it or not). We have a young QB, young OL with a pro bowl LT and think it’s much easier to add to that then to fix the glaring holes defensively. I even shocked myself when I found that only the LIONS and RAMS allowed more points than us. It’s amazing we won 7 games!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 8, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
um..
South Beach is no place for a guy like BM plus Miamis luck wed actully pay him millions and the dood gos to prison….
Why would he sign that contract seeing as he will have other offers. I think he will be able
to dictate the laguage of the contract he signs as the league rules limit how much of a raise he can reciever next year.
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That would be up to his agent, I suppose.
If all the other teams can tender the same amount, then he’ll go to the “contender” and agree to some terms, or where he thinks he’ll shine and screw up -again.
goo goo goojoob
Plus his agent is going to push for the contract with the least restrictions.
His agent know good and well that his client has the habbit of getting in to trouble. He gets his checks as the players checks come in. Hes not going to let his client sign a contract that cuts in to his money. Even so, why give up draft picks for that guy even with that kind of contract. If he violates the terms and you somehow let him go or hes suspended by the league then you have no player and lost the picks. How much further would that set us back? Why take that gamble?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
yes, but look at the price WE pay for that, 1st and 3rd? pretty expensive if we take BM and
he messes up.
not saying it isn’t a winning move to get him. (i’d prefer D first,) but we HAVE to at least look at the downside, which we are doing. it includes NOT getting a 1st and 3rd round D player, possibly.
I agree. Too high a price for a guy that may or may not get his shit together.
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idk...
idk man hes had some rele bad knee problems
by DaPhinsBallin on Jan 8, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah true but at the same time he is still a beast, “the Program” will get his body conditioned right to help prevent injuries plus I think he would be a bit of a steal. He also takes care of one of our needs, is a leader and is still young.
tru
i just wish we new about this CBA so we new if were talking people we can rele get or if were wasting our time haha
by DaPhinsBallin on Jan 8, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
True that, I would love to see merriman in a Dolphins uniform. Besides the lights out celebration is WAY cooler than that crank the car ish they used to do. Besides I look at more than just his talen but his leadership and his ability to fire up a defense. I mean hell I like San Diego (unless they play the Phins) just because so many of their guys seem like you could have beer with them, they are blue collar guys.
hahahah
thats a no go bro NO WAY Santonio Holmes leaves Pit they need him they pay him the right amount….He won a Title with them that usually males people stick around!
Miami has to get Brandon
Miami can fix holes through FA…not just the draft.If we trade away picks it doesn’t mean we can’t fix our defense…Demeco Ryans is a stud LB and we can pick him up in FA.Miami needs to get the best available players at the positions of need whether its through the draft or trade or FA.Brandon would be worth a 1st and 3rd because he’s the best available talent at a position that is probably our weakest.I don’t think he’s a diva…he’s not doing acted out TD celebrations or on twitter all day.I don’t think it will take a 1st and 3rd…I think we can give our 1st and trade a player they want…Porter or Ginn.We can’t pass him up.We need a play maker in Miami.I would love to keep our picks but we have to get Marshall to Miami.
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what is going to be different for brandon in miami? with all his talent, why are denver
fans so jazzed to get rid of him? after all the brandon posts, i’ve forgotten that one. are we saying he was badly coached and had legit grievances?
Always beware of the guy the other team cant wait to get rid of.
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If this is so....why does his former coach
Mike Shanahan plan on making a play for Brandon in Washington?
Shanahan has more experience coaching this guy than anyone….hell he drafted him, and he was the one that coached him during all of the incidents….
Id say that shows more than a new coach trying to throw his weight around.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
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Has Shanahan stated that or is that a rumor generated by another blog?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 9, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
No direct link to Shanahan.....
although, “multiple redskins sources claim …..” that he is going to make a serious play for Marshall.
As far as the NFL goes….thats about right out of his mouth.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
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Rumors are just that untill you hear it from the source or it happens.
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"Multiple Redskins sources" had Shanahan
hired well before he was…. You know it was well as I do.
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If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
Well I say let them have Marshall. I want no part of him.
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
Who know? With the vortex of get him/no way/ sign him/forget him posts.
The bottom line is (as always), if the FO can get for their price, he’ll be here. Issues will be evaluated and addressed in contract.
goo goo goojoob
I think given he will have multiple offers that he will dictate the language of the contract he signs.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
if that is true, he comes to us on his terms, which is what i can't believe parcell's going for
look at the crow and the contract jt had to eat. i feel a certain ‘circularity’ to the arguments at this point!
I know. Its only further proof that Marshall will never wear a Dolphins uniform.
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